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Author Topic: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power  (Read 141418 times)

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Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« on: December 07, 2009, 11:32:38 PM »
Hi everyone,

this is a design idea I came up with that's mostly a magnet motor to which I hope will require less power input then a normal PM electric motor. The idea is to not have steel cores in the coil to which a permanent magnets will stick to and need much input energy for the coil to overcome the attraction. I my design I use the most powerful magnet available and have the magnet itself (or PM field) as cores for the coil. In this kind of arrangement we only need a very small amount of input energy for the coil to create work.

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMHmLgXWR1U

Please be open to post your comments.

Luc

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2009, 12:10:29 AM »
Hi Luc
Wow I've never seen anything like that before,fantastic  :o  I would like one for Christmas ;D
I found it very hypnotic, also reminded me of one of those executive gadgets.

Did you mount the coil on square box section to stop it rotating ?
I would have thought you got less friction with a round tube.

cat

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2009, 12:42:05 AM »
Hi Luc
Wow I've never seen anything like that before,fantastic  :o  I would like one for Christmas ;D
I found it very hypnotic, also reminded me of one of those executive gadgets.

Did you mount the coil on square box section to stop it rotating ?
I would have thought you got less friction with a round tube.

cat

Hi Cat,

thanks for your interest and post :)

I mounted the coil on a square bar as oppose to a round mainly to get more surface area of the coils center magnetic field. I think the more surface area the coil contacts on the PM the more work for energy input there will be. However, this would needs to be tested.

Can you invite some of those wise ones in the art of magnetics to see what they think or if they can help.

Thanks buddy ;)

Luc

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2009, 12:48:03 AM »
 No problem Luc, I will see who is in  ;)
cat

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2009, 01:43:17 AM »
No problem Luc, I will see who is in  ;)
cat
Dear Cat and Luc,

Interesting.  We worked with:
1. One coil in the middle repelling two magnets to soft and hard surfaces to achieve unbalanced force in one direction.
2. Two coils with a moving magnet in the middle to achieve unbalanced force in one direction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FafYVGbgULw

Noiw you have the arrangement of:
A Moving Coil in the middle of two magnets.

We shall be working on:
A non-moving coil in the middle of two magnets with a changing magnetic flux to draw out energy.

We already have a prototype demonstrated to over 25,000 visitors in the two Open Shows in Hong Kong.   See the Lee-Tseung Lead-Out Energy theory thread in this forum.

Welcome to the team.  You will have fun and many unexpected experimental results.  Overunity and unbalanced force are two examples.

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2009, 02:09:52 AM »
@gotoluc

First thanks to @powercat for letting me know about this thread.

I saw your video, and son of a gun, I had been looking for a suitable linear motion method for an idea I had been mulling over 2 years now. At the time I made some drawings and an animation that is now located here;

http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Wattsups%27%20stuff/linear-wheel/

The gif file is the animation.

The idea is not to use a crank type motion of the linear movement but to simply use the linear movement as a wheel balancing offset.

My only question is, can your idea work standing up. Even as a catapult, can it have enough force to push up that coil. If it can, then there may be a way for it to work, by mounting it a ring that has a center axle that is aligned to the center of your iron bar, and then controlling the pulse to the coil to always keep it on the right side then use gravity as the main force.

Also, think about it. That coil is moving. Put some other coils around it and it will become a generator. Kind of reminds me of @handyguy1's Thingamajigger. Or you can hold the coil steady and let the iron bar with the magnets slide.

Very nice work. Geez now you are on motor type devices. Good progression.

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2009, 02:44:22 AM »
Dear Cat and Luc,

Interesting.  We worked with:
1. One coil in the middle repelling two magnets to soft and hard surfaces to achieve unbalanced force in one direction.
2. Two coils with a moving magnet in the middle to achieve unbalanced force in one direction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FafYVGbgULw

Noiw you have the arrangement of:
A Moving Coil in the middle of two magnets.

We shall be working on:
A non-moving coil in the middle of two magnets with a changing magnetic flux to draw out energy.

We already have a prototype demonstrated to over 25,000 visitors in the two Open Shows in Hong Kong.   See the Lee-Tseung Lead-Out Energy theory thread in this forum.

Welcome to the team.  You will have fun and many unexpected experimental results.  Overunity and unbalanced force are two examples.

Hi ltseung888,

so that's what the Lee-Tseung Lead-Out Energy theory thread is. Sorry, I never really looked at it :-\

We shale see where this goes.

Luc

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2009, 02:54:53 AM »
@gotoluc

First thanks to @powercat for letting me know about this thread.

I saw your video, and son of a gun, I had been looking for a suitable linear motion method for an idea I had been mulling over 2 years now. At the time I made some drawings and an animation that is now located here;

http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Wattsups%27%20stuff/linear-wheel/

The gif file is the animation.

The idea is not to use a crank type motion of the linear movement but to simply use the linear movement as a wheel balancing offset.

My only question is, can your idea work standing up. Even as a catapult, can it have enough force to push up that coil. If it can, then there may be a way for it to work, by mounting it a ring that has a center axle that is aligned to the center of your iron bar, and then controlling the pulse to the coil to always keep it on the right side then use gravity as the main force.

Also, think about it. That coil is moving. Put some other coils around it and it will become a generator. Kind of reminds me of @handyguy1's Thingamajigger. Or you can hold the coil steady and let the iron bar with the magnets slide.

Very nice work. Geez now you are on motor type devices. Good progression.

Hi wattsup,

that's an interesting idea. What would need to be figured out is input power (Watts) for weight lifted. If it gives a better number (compared to what the standard establishment say) then I see no reason why we could not use your system to also capitalize on gravity force.

My interest in motors is for my needs but what ever I find will be Freely shared for the good of all.

Thanks for sharing your idea.

Luc

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2009, 03:47:04 PM »
@powercat
thanks for your PM on this thread, in the meantime I also noticed it at the energetic forum where I answered in the meantime too.

@Luc

regarding the vertical arrangement wattsup mentioned, I recall an old patent where a permanent magnet was placed under the core of an electromagnet and this extra flux helped more than double the lifting height against gravity  with the same input current to the electromagnet, see this link and the patent drawing: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1621.msg16347.html#msg16347

rgds, Gyula

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2009, 04:57:18 PM »
I wonder if I recognise your coil.

Is it the low current coil on the 8:1 mains power transformer of a microwave oven?
If so, they are available to us all for peanuts - a visit to a recycling centre, and
an amusing evening in front of the TV cutting through the transformer with an angle
grinder (hack saw will do), and soaking the result overnight in water to soften up
the paper/card packing around the coils in order to get them off.

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2009, 09:43:08 PM »
I wonder if I recognise your coil.

Is it the low current coil on the 8:1 mains power transformer of a microwave oven?
If so, they are available to us all for peanuts - a visit to a recycling centre, and
an amusing evening in front of the TV cutting through the transformer with an angle
grinder (hack saw will do), and soaking the result overnight in water to soften up
the paper/card packing around the coils in order to get them off.

@Paul-R

Wow, that sounds like a good idea to get them coils off. I have two microwave transformers with the tops off and I never found a way to get the coils off. Hmmm. I will soak one of them tonight and try it tommorrow morning. I should be at home all day since they are announcing a good snow storm tomorrow and on those days I stay at home and work on OU. Just love them snow storms.

@gotoluc

There is a former member named @JackH who passed away several months ago and he was doing some great work with magnets and coils.

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2009, 10:34:25 PM »
@powercat
thanks for your PM on this thread, in the meantime I also noticed it at the energetic forum where I answered in the meantime too.

@Luc

regarding the vertical arrangement wattsup mentioned, I recall an old patent where a permanent magnet was placed under the core of an electromagnet and this extra flux helped more than double the lifting height against gravity  with the same input current to the electromagnet, see this link and the patent drawing: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1621.msg16347.html#msg16347

rgds, Gyula

Hi Gyula,

yes this works! but how do you get the magnet (weight) back up once it has used gravity?

Luc

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2009, 10:41:04 PM »
I wonder if I recognise your coil.

Is it the low current coil on the 8:1 mains power transformer of a microwave oven?
If so, they are available to us all for peanuts - a visit to a recycling centre, and
an amusing evening in front of the TV cutting through the transformer with an angle
grinder (hack saw will do), and soaking the result overnight in water to soften up
the paper/card packing around the coils in order to get them off.

Hi Paul,

you know me :D I always try to salvage and reuse stuff but this one I winded the coil from new magnet wire since it needed to have such an exact center opening and also to be epoxied between layers during the winding so it can all hold up if I decided to drive it hard.

Luc

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2009, 11:39:57 PM »
Hi Gyula,

yes this works! but how do you get the magnet (weight) back up once it has used gravity?

Luc

Hi Luc,

Well, sorry I did not mean using it in your present horizontal setup but in wattsup wheel setup he has showed where he wishes to offset the wheel balance by pushing objects linearly up whenever the vertical course for them just passed the 12 o'clock clockwise. I thought here to help the upward linear move with that 'under'magnet, then, as the wheel rotates clockwise, these objects will return by sliding back again due to gravity. I only meant here using this trick, you get more upwards movement for the same input to the electromagnet coil.

rgds, Gyula

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Re: Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2009, 12:33:48 AM »
Hi Luc,

Well, sorry I did not mean using it in your present horizontal setup but in wattsup wheel setup he has showed where he wishes to offset the wheel balance by pushing objects linearly up whenever the vertical course for them just passed the 12 o'clock clockwise. I thought here to help the upward linear move with that 'under'magnet, then, as the wheel rotates clockwise, these objects will return by sliding back again due to gravity. I only meant here using this trick, you get more upwards movement for the same input to the electromagnet coil.

rgds, Gyula

Okay I see,

it would work but one thing to consider in wattsup's design is maybe the quick launch (at desired time) may cause a braking of the wheel at that timing point???

Luc

 

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