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bolt

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Re: Bloch wall disconnect and reconnect. The final design!
« Reply #735 on: August 08, 2010, 06:28:30 AM »
Hi bolt, those are interesting thoughts. I was a couple days ago just thinking about bifilar coil and why could we not somehow induce energy into another coil from the interplay of the so called canceling fields, though it sure sounds like your saying the fields under a certain condition can generate power for us. That rings true to me.
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It already does as Joule Thief uses biifilar to CANCEL magnetic field so the in phase power is trashed into VARS. Now you have kinetic energy field as electrostatic and volts goes UP. How do you think JT get 50 volts from 5 without a transformer and its not electromagnetic. That is Hertizian leads to loss you need longitudinal. Now you see the JT is actually making a tiny weak NEGATIVE inductor where power of the sense we want flows back INTO it and NOT out. But only if you understand this and make it properly.

Oh also note with JT as really simple concept has missing field? There is no interaction layer of two electrostatic X Y components as within the Don Smith, TPU and Kapandze. You need a relative field otherwise the earth with provide a weak X one and give weak results.


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« Reply #736 on: August 08, 2010, 08:40:24 AM »
Hi bolt, thanks for more explanation, though I'm no not so great at visualizing things with words. Could you possibly make drawings or diagram of some kind to help explain your ideas better to me, maybe it could help others understand better as well, thanks very much.
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« Reply #737 on: August 08, 2010, 05:01:22 PM »
Here ya go pretty coils straight from the bedside: go to downloads and look for gk1-gk27
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=downfile&id=406
You still have to work.

The big chips are 'break before make' when the address lines change. Try a JK flipflop with the !Q tied to CLR then clock it. Very high speed. That is the big secret. Floating ground, floating fets(IRF840), low current, controls all the way around(snake biting its tail).

The fet driver chip is a p605. The clock chip could be a 4 bit binary out. Look at the truth table. 1 line then 2 lines are on at the same time then 1 line.
There is also a funny looking switch in the circuit. I have used a fet. It is in the feedback loop internal to the ckt itself.
All cmos for 9v bat operation in center.
Notice no caps on the coils? That is where we come in and what about the magamp? Iron centers. Color picture posted previous. I have this build 80% done. I prototype now.

Rat shack arent plated anymore.
I got mine from http://stores.sacelec.com/sacramentoelectronics/ search for wh22-

Look at the TPU this way:
All who know are under NDAs. How do they get it out? Recruit somebody who has a clue, who can be shown with out mentioning vital terms and then the recruit takes it from there. Might the recruit be you?
Could be my last build. I am not saying anybody has to follow. I just give

Hello GK can you post this description and pictures here before the trolls push this post back 10 pages?  Some of us don't have access to to view the downloads.

Thanks...Stew

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« Reply #738 on: August 08, 2010, 05:50:06 PM »
This sounds like a stun gun to the secondary of an ignition coil if the 2kv does have current. Maintain the outer spark gap of the gun. oops. The ignition coil is not air core though. Could use a ratshack spool? Stacked 4 high to get the turns.

From a practical perspective, the stun gun is too much.  Your typical coil can't handle that much voltage, and the only easily obtainable switch is a spark gap.

Drive a flyback or even an ignition transformer and get a few KV, hv bridge of diodes and cap bank to get HV DC.  Small neon transformer or HV DC converters work great as you only need a few mA.

The drive section can have a ferromagnetic core.  It's just producing HV.

Ratshack wire is enamel coated and will arc through.  HT mag wire or other HV rated wire.

Oh, and ignore "bolt", he doesn't know what he is talking about.

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Re: Bloch wall disconnect and reconnect. The final design!
« Reply #739 on: August 08, 2010, 05:58:56 PM »
@stprue,
Show a file sharing site and i will put them there. The files are in the range of 500k.

Of course you don't have access to the downloads. Your attention is kept on advertisements and useless hyperlinks.
Guess that is an indication to move or go away.

I would even put them on Wattsup's ftp if i get access. I don't have a problem with doing any of this.

@Bolt, Sigma16,
I see both sets of design specs and both are valid. If I have to play referee I will. :D
The choice of approaches just depends on the level of shockwave one wants to play with. So I am not nor ever choosing sides. But if we are to find the designs that perpetually run a cell phone or battlecruiser we must entertain all the aspects of the process whether they are in a button cell or meld matter. We have seen these and the full gamut in between. All one has to do is see the prospect or pick a level to work in. If you like watching sparks jump into your pc then knock yourself out(that too will eventually happen :o) or if you believe it can happen across a substrate level at the subatomic layer then go for it.
The larger effect production takes a certain type of material(Simg16) whereas the smaller effect takes a certain level of configuration(Bolt).
@Sigma16,
I can order the wire and do that with a NST too.
@Bolt,
The ECD is a 2 phase Wye or yagi configuration. This means 3 snakes biting the others tails at 3 places in the ring. I have a ring configuration of this happening at 1 place on the ring. 1 place. I can continue this build knowing full well that when it is done all I would have to do is split the full control windings in 2 more places to achieve the yagi configuration of the ring. Not a big deal to do.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2010, 06:54:35 PM by giantkiller »

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« Reply #740 on: August 08, 2010, 06:38:06 PM »
No  need to go back to banging coils its been done for yeas now nothing good came of it. A single fet low powered driving 3 phase WYE can produce several KVARs for a few watts drive.  You don't HAVE to use magamps but if you do no need to use a fet and it makes the device immune (till lightning strikes anyway)  from power surges.

There is very secretive group of highschool kids making power by banging coils.  Probably because they did not listen to people like you.

Only copper wires required no special cocktails of silver and iron wire required.

Depends on how you look at it, but most conductors will work.

In order to create the desired circuit we need to produce NEGATIVE inductors. We all heard about negative resistors but the key here is negative inductors and because we must CANCEL out  the magnetic fields as much as possible in the circuit, there by keeping the total inductance of the circuit negative. We do this by creating VARS as this disturbs the ambient but there is no current flowing as there No in phase amps. If there is no amps there is no current flowing and no Lenze. If you bang the coils you create current and a magnetic field. Everything must be done in complete opposite.

Total BS.  Cancelling magnetic fields is BS in this case.  Has nothing at all to do with it.  VARS has nothing to do with it.  Complete opposite and you get nothing.  Lenz is avoided.  Lorentz still applies.  You really need to try some of this stuff before you pass it on.  Most people in the OU circus just want to make a buck selling books, vids, and other BS.

A bifilar coil cancels out magnetic flux but so does polyphase system as power factor is slashed.

What if it is a different type of bifilar that doesn't cancel?  Two separate wires, same direction.

BUT everything else is happening the space is now highly energized as electrostatic field its pumping longitudinal waves. The i/p power may only be watts but there is several KVARs in circulation. Now there is Kinetic Energy.

It's not a direct process.  You can't just create longitudinal waves and everything starts working because it doesn't.


As Don Smith stuff = Low power precursor (a few real watts) convert to VAR = Kinetic Energy = Device rating 50KVARS+ convert to magnetic as two converging electrostatic fields = real WATTS o/p.

Or RE = RF through RLC where OU derived from RE transformations of one energy type to another.

Don Smith's devices never worked.  Don't believe the hype.

In the case of TPU 3 phase negative inductors create rotational electrostatic stress and not magnetic to begin the process and stores a negative energy charge in a space where the relative magnetic field appears, and as a counteraction, the inductors generates an electric power with a positive energy. The free electrons from the VARS field got  kinetic energy from a space as accelerating returns the kinetic energy to the space becomes deceleration.

The negative inductances  of the negative 3 phase inductors is proportional albeit non linear to the product of the rate of change of the relative magnetic fluxes impinging on the coils and the number of turns of the coil, like that of a NORMAL inductors but in reverse.  By raising the voltage applied either side of the exciter collector coils  the total number of the relative magnetic fluxes impinging on the WYE inductors can be increased. So the TPU is a sandwich where we have rotating electrostatics (Not magnetic to begin with otherwise you need current and 100 watts of coil banging only gives you a headaches and eats the power supply) where a HV positive and negative DC charge is applied. While the atomic level dynamics drops the heat out of the device the rotational electrostatic fields create eddy current when driving a real load as now we have REAL amps flowing. Note electrostatic does not mean DC static from my standpoint but much closer related to RF where the nodes are either Zero or Max and not NULL. Null means nothing so bad use for this.

 The device is vertically polarized from this charge as the ambient is polarized from earth to space.

I can;t even begin to say how wrong this rant is.  It sure as hell was not vertically polarized.  It's circular.

In kapanadze the process is actually very similar but instead of 3 phase he using single phase 50Hz as the negative inductor is a VARS tank. In fact its a tube homo-polar transformer where the PF = ZERO or VSWR infinity so its an electrostatic device to begin with not magnetic. The HT DC charge is applied between the inner and outer non magnetic tube copper will work fine. OR it can be separate layer windings.  Whatever method is chosen its important the MASS is identical between the inner and outer layers. (close as practical)

 Now the conditions are SET they need moving side to side to induce a REAL current with amps and volts in phase. So the 50 Hz push pull sine wave driver modulates the HV so the action is a side to side motion of two interactive electrostatic layers. The coil becomes a NEGATIVE inductor and so the normal entropy bell ringing to loss becomes GAINS of increasing magnitude while taking up ambient atomic thermal heat energy drops the inductor through its negative. With this is mind the spark gap only requires just enough to create an arc 2kv perhaps and hardly any current.

As Tesla said "Don't underestimate the force of electrostatics" .

Kapanadze appears to use more than 50Hz and you can bet your ass he is impact exciting that large coil, and he is using a lot more than 2kv.  Probably driving an ignition coil or similar.  Don't let the spark fool you.  It is HV DC into a high impedance load.  Try it yourself.

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« Reply #741 on: August 08, 2010, 06:51:04 PM »
@bolt

I would like to know how to make a Negative Inductor. The word "Inductor" implies coil and the word "coil" implies both negative and positive sides. So where does the negative come in to make is specifically negative.

I have done tests in this line of thinking but not with an inductor. With rings of only 2-3 turns maximum. You take a high inductance coil, put a positive pulse source on one end, on the other end you connect one end of the ring and put the negative pulse source on the other end of the ring. This will give you a ring that gets the negative of the coil on one end and the negative of the pulse on the other end, making it fully negative. But the ring cannot have too many turns otherwise it will automatically delimit its own positive/negative sides.

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« Reply #743 on: August 08, 2010, 08:05:23 PM »
   @ Wattsup and All:
    The John St.Clairs patent shows how to build a negative inductor.
 I have not seen anybody try it, yet.  I am planning on making something similar, in my own way.  Negative resistance in the coils is what Otto calls it, if I'm not mistaken.  If I am off on it, he will probably correct me. Thats one way to get him to respond. 
   It does seams like pulsing the coils with HV should yield higher voltage back.  As even increasing the input voltage from 1.5v to 12v should yield at least ten times higher output voltage. The coils would need thicker high temperature insulated wires to handle it, so they don't melt and short out.  SM did not use thin wires, neither did the  MITTS Dome device (that could start a car).   
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   http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=nB-dAAAAEBAJ&dq=john+quincy+st.+clair
   

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« Reply #744 on: August 08, 2010, 08:21:28 PM »
@Nz,
good point.
Not too many options now.
The preclude to the STclair patent was my itty bitty coil test. Then the ratshack spool virtual magamps I made.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NB8fXByWj8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkPUVqX3cNk

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« Reply #745 on: August 08, 2010, 09:25:32 PM »
  @gk

  It is rumoured that the old model ts could run off just the ignition coil output ignitiing air. There is enough heated air around to power something somewhere somehow.  I figure that there is mass in motion until you get down to o degrees Kelvin.  Just a matter of converting the randomized elastic collisions of a heated fluid into more ordered motion of charged mass through a "translatory device" to convert kinetic energy into electrical energy.

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« Reply #746 on: August 08, 2010, 10:25:07 PM »
Degradation through distance and time can be captured.

  @gk

  It is rumoured that the old model ts could run off just the ignition coil output ignitiing air. There is enough heated air around to power something somewhere somehow.  I figure that there is mass in motion until you get down to o degrees Kelvin.  Just a matter of converting the randomized elastic collisions of a heated fluid into more ordered motion of charged mass through a "translatory device" to convert kinetic energy into electrical energy.

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« Reply #747 on: August 08, 2010, 10:41:34 PM »
@bolt

I would like to know how to make a Negative Inductor. The word "Inductor" implies coil and the word "coil" implies both negative and positive sides. So where does the negative come in to make is specifically negative.

I have done tests in this line of thinking but not with an inductor. With rings of only 2-3 turns maximum. You take a high inductance coil, put a positive pulse source on one end, on the other end you connect one end of the ring and put the negative pulse source on the other end of the ring. This will give you a ring that gets the negative of the coil on one end and the negative of the pulse on the other end, making it fully negative. But the ring cannot have too many turns otherwise it will automatically delimit its own positive/negative sides.

Practical losses come quickly in small JT as bifilar is badly constructed and without perfect cancellation. Self capacitance will cap the voltage usually around 50 volts on 1.5 volt JT. If you want hundreds of thousands of VARS then use 3 phase as rotary action keeps the volts and amps separated within a power factor of zero. A 3 phase motor will run on just 10 watts in RV mode but the VARS is in the order of 1.5KVAR or 2KVAR which is not bad for 120v supply. This is less power to turn a 100lb 5 Horse Power motor then most people run their Newman or Bedini motors and if tuned to the load it will take your arm off!

Copy this as 3 wired inductors or make a LARGE toroidal core 3 windings wired in WYE. 12 volt supply should easy get 1000 volts and 1 amp in circulation. This is why Bob Boyce coils so powerful on collecting RE.

RF simile as VARS is electrostatic field and produces kinetic energy from near-space electron spin.  Coil bell ringing decays becomes inverted as energy stored in the coils increases and becomes a negative inductor and losses heat in the process.  This is standard book RF applied theory even a simulator works because no rules broken.

Put your glasses on and look as this is only 320mA i/p for 3.7KVAR!

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« Reply #748 on: August 08, 2010, 10:51:46 PM »
  @ GK and All:
   Seams like the best way for the secondary coil to feed-back to the primary, is by winding the secondary coil right on top (or below) the primary. As the greater the distance between them, the less effect the secondary would have to induce the feed-back that makes it all "run with gain"  Close proximity of the resonant coil circuit to each other may be an important point to optimise the output gain effect.
  I liked the idea of the "PTU in a can" that Wattsup mentioned. As it might reflect back more gain to the primary coil, and thus avoid losses, and have also cause less outside interference.  Keelly mentioned that the sphere and the dome worked the best.
  Lidmotor has shown that a big bifilar coil JT with a secondary coil wound on top of it, works very well to light a CFL bulb, and can also charge a battery. Jeanna has shown that the JT can produce 1000v+.
  I still feel that polarity flip-flop is important, and I don't see how the transistor's on-off cycle is going to do that. Maybe it is not totally necessary, though, as it might be enough to just to switch off the power and turn it back on fast enough to see the gain effects, without having to have the change in polarity.
  The magamp idea looks promising as there are no moving parts to burn out, and it reverses the polarity in a passive way. I still have not seen an example of it working in a TPU, though. Maybe Bolt can show us how it's done, (other that on paper).
  Chilliqueen has shown that with a PnP and NpN transistor,  practically no toroid coil is necessary, as both transistors are working together to reverse or flip-flop the fields, and have minimized the input power needed by quite a bit.
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« Reply #749 on: August 08, 2010, 11:09:44 PM »
Mag amp version is basically this for the TPU. Machine wound toroidal as magamps work better but can use standard transformers  for learning! You dont HAVE to use magamps but in late 1980's when the tpu was born fets were low powered and very expensive. Magamps are immune to abuse once working correctly.

The driver is 5Khz for the magamps in reality for tpu. Look how it Runs with Gain! All components are set to unique frequency of the tpu diameter size.