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markdansie

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #75 on: September 01, 2009, 06:51:12 AM »
Hi Ali,
Thanks for posting what you did to Stepan (I already had read that)
I have found over many years that my role is to ask the obvious dumb questions. Often understanding is burried in simplicity.
I guess the key is as you stated you are increasing voltage but reducing current. So is the overall energy available on your output is the same? Ie 30 volts at 7.3 amps say (220 watts) vs say 220 volts at 1amp (220 watts). Am I missing something here?
So is it possible at this stage to explain the increase in overall energy if what I stated above is not correct. If you syphon something you are just moving it from one place to another but not adding to it as you do
Mark

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #76 on: September 01, 2009, 07:23:58 AM »
hi mark,

"you are increasing voltage but reducing current"
REPLY:always remember you can provide voltage to some load but the current is defined by the load it self

explaining further: in a 220 volt socket you can plug 1000 watt heater it will draw 4 to 5 amps
at the same time if you put 100 watt bulb it will draw 0.5 amps approx.
so voltage is provided , current is the drawn from the line according to the load.
in watt meter voltage coil only open the path for magnetic flux but current coil make the movement to see how much wattage is being consummed.


in my device i am providing it 30 volts

when we conduct a test of 160 watt  at output source of our device it was giving us 220 volts at 0.7 amps approx.
and when we check the current at the input the voltages are 30 volts at 1.5 amps

RESULTS:

input  =     30 *1.5 = 45 watt  (in a simple approach not going in complexity at the moment)
output = 220 * 0.7 = 154 watt (you see amps gone down from 1.5 to 0.7 this is very natural)

Now with in the device the switching is in a very specific way, causes a resonance and more charges aligning themselves then in a conventional manner 
telling you truly when i was conducting these tests i was knowing that charges are there but they are not in flow and i have to find a way to make them flow or convert them as workable PD(potential difference )

mechanical example of situation: you have bath tub full of water the top is open water cannot flow out from top  if you make a whole in bottom of the tub it will flow (natural) now i have to make water flow from top. if i can do the same in electronic means what i have achieved is creating PD with non aligned electrons.

i am in the middle of writing the thesis about my theories and there practical conversions so i will not discuss these concepts any further until i arrange to publish them

i am not saying that i am a very intelligent man but i am learning as well an argument for  argument will waste our own time rather then a simple practical output if my device is working and have potential soon it will be there in market its just a matter of time   

i think my idea to givel the unit for R@D purpose to get hold of some funds as donation to noble cause to further carry out research was not a good idea
coz according to my professional ethics i will not give unit to any one until he is satisfied and knows what he is getting
and people around me are not able to digest the new concept here, i should carry on my work and take it to a completion level

strange enough no body asked me ,what is the next level in development if its working why not i start producing it


the difficulties;
the behavior of the unit is purely like a generator you off load it, the  voltage rises we need to develop an AVR
loads like air conditioners turns on the compressor and turns off this could seriously effect the process, an instantaneous response to load variation is required to be incorporated with in device
device cannot work without load it will destroy it self (resonating frequency) we need to include dummy load to balance the device and harness the appropriate output according to current dissipation.
if output load increase from the capacity of input source the unit destroy it self 
things are not so simple as it seems, a lot more work is required before the device is ready for market

i posted the video on you tube when i saw magna coaster video, i did wrong i should complete the device by burning more of my own fuel to reach the destination , rather then giving people half cooked device i think i should get hold of some project to make enough money to complete my unit then sky is the limit.

thanks to everyone

Ali


 




     
 





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markdansie

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #77 on: September 01, 2009, 07:49:49 AM »
@ Ali,
thank you for your patience and explanation.
what time is a good time to phone in GMT time. If you are in England at the moment you are either up very early or very late.
Kind Regards
Mark

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #78 on: September 01, 2009, 09:45:21 AM »
Hi Ali,

Thanks for all this information and sorry to ask you even more questions. This is too fascinating to only watch and read  ;)

I have following questions for you so we all can better understand what your circuit and software actually does:

- What is the range of the switching frequency of your circuit?
- You mentioned in your video that no transformer or coil is used in your circuit. How can you obtain resonance even if you apply a pure resistor load like a light bulb? Does the coil of the Wattmeter play a role too?


« Last Edit: September 01, 2009, 10:49:22 AM by robbie47 »

exnihiloest

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #79 on: September 01, 2009, 10:44:52 AM »
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i am in the middle of writing the thesis about my theories and there practical conversions so i will not discuss these concepts any further until i arrange to publish them

i am not saying that i am a very intelligent man but i am learning as well an argument for  argument will waste our own time...

Hi Ali,

Then why have you rendered public your experiment?
As in such claims of extroardinary results, the usual problem are measurement errors (if not a scam), imho the first thing to do before writing the theory is to let duplicate the experiment by others to confirm the results. This implies to release a accurate schematics that any electronics engineer could use. It would avoid wasting of time in blah.





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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #80 on: September 01, 2009, 11:04:17 AM »

please do not get offended by all means i didn't mean to hurt anyone

i have discussed every thing very openly and have also mentioned where i am stuck, i have to finish the working by myself. well scams, measurement errors , tricking the meter , wrong theories , they all have one simple answer a complete product.
   

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #81 on: September 01, 2009, 11:52:21 AM »
@ Ali,
If you need help from an experienced electronics engineer but want to take it offline, just PM me.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2009, 01:28:46 PM by robbie47 »

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #82 on: September 01, 2009, 11:57:41 AM »
reply: robbie47

the LC circuit is one of the method to generating frequency, the other way is digital oscillator i have develop a digital circuit with feed back control you can see multiple capacitors in circuit this is where we are storing charges as a water tub and through siphon the level is raised to new voltage levels remember destination is going to be a lower level then initial start up otherwise it won't work

in our test i will not use watt meter the video was to show a lay man that less energy is consumed
for technical peoples measurements and numbers are good enough to establish results.
regards
Ali

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #83 on: September 01, 2009, 01:27:12 PM »
Thanks Ali, that makes it a bit more clear.
Is the output frequency 50Hz with sinus wave shape or square wave shape?

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #84 on: September 01, 2009, 01:50:43 PM »
Hi Ali,
sounds like you use the principle to load 2 caps in parallel and then switch
them in series, so you double the voltage, more like voltage doubler circuit.

Normally current just halves, so the power stays the same, but maybe you invented
some kind of strange MOSFET controlled switching frequency, that raises
the switching frequency
with some kind of feedback loop, so more charges in the caps are transfered to the
higher voltage potential ?
But what when you run out of electrons from the bigger first cap ?

I still don´t understand the Siphon effect.

Your example with the bathtub sounds logical, but does not make much sense
to me, cause in this case you might get only a potential energy difference for maybe
50 cm when you draw the water over the top
instead of in the bottom of the bath tube.

But if you would make a Siphon like using a hose and put the hose from under the bathtube
water surface first 3 Meters higher and then going from there
lower than the lower bathtube exit hole, you will definately draw first the water 3 Meter higher
and then the water goes over the top in the 3 meter higher hose and then will flow
down the rest of the hose to the output of the hose, which is lower than the upper
water level.

Now if you have found a trick how to trap some of the water there at 3 Meter higher level
and build there a storage before it is going down and keep sucking up more water higher
than goes down at the other side and thus get more and more water to the 3 Meters top,
this would be interesting.

So now the question is, how do you do this Siphon effect electronically with Electrons.

As it is your secret you will probably not tell us yet.

Well, maybe the best solution would be to design it this way, that you
really use a 12 Volts or 3 x 12 Volts battery in series= 36 Volts DC input  power
source, so you can show it with a better measurement DC power input.

P.S: Did you also try it with a 220 Volts to 30 Volts AC transformer as the input
or just only with the TRIAC dimmer circuit ?

I hope this is not related to the Meter-Triac jamming as
EMdevices has suggested, so better just try it without this
meter and without the TRIAC dimmer circuit by just using
a 220Volts to 30 Volts AC transformer for the input and
measure then using a scope with a shunt for power input.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #85 on: September 01, 2009, 03:41:30 PM »

in our test i will not use watt meter the video was to show a lay man that less energy is consumed
for technical peoples measurements and numbers are good enough to establish results.
regards
Ali

Winson Ali,

That's a very good decision indeed. As suggested by someone earlier, the best way is to feed from a DC source and measure input DC power. Use an inverter to feed your device.
At the output, rectify the output and again measure the output power in a resistive DC load.

That's it ...

Any more theoretical speculation is not necessary at this time. If these measurement results are overunity, you will have unlimited finances to proceed. Please take a break from the forum, if you need time.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #86 on: September 01, 2009, 03:43:07 PM »
P:S:

Again at the example with the bathtube:

If you would arrange the hose above the bathtube at 3 Meters height
for example of 100 loops of the hose , then you would
have a lot of water up there 3 Meters over the bathtube at the start when you
suck the air out of the hose and not much water had run down the hose yet.

So the question is, if sucking the air out of the hose uses less energy than the potential
energy of the water 3 Meters higher in the 100 loops of the hose ?

If the answer is YES , you could make a valve into the hose and
shut it up, when the whole 100 loops are full of water and have
that potential of water do more work, when it is released and
will fall down in the gravity field.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #87 on: September 01, 2009, 05:24:12 PM »
@winsonali
Quote:
"Now with in the device the switching is in a very specific way, causes a resonance and more charges aligning themselves then in a conventional manner 
telling you truly when i was conducting these tests i was knowing that charges are there but they are not in flow and i have to find a way to make them flow or convert them as workable PD(potential difference )"

Congratulations on your success, I think you understand the dilema you find yourself in as well, LOL. How do you explain something so obvious, so basic to people who have no conception of what you are talking about without giving everything away? I was building these circuits many years ago and they work very well but there are bottlenecks or rather limitations which I am sure you are aware of. You have made a very good first step getting past this current-centric perception everyone seems to be stuck in and I think you will really enjoy where this will lead you. For the record this is not a new concept---it is a very old one and the issues you are having concerning conversion were resolved by Nicola Tesla in his early patents.
Regards
AC

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #88 on: September 01, 2009, 05:38:42 PM »
I was building these circuits many years ago and they work very well but there are bottlenecks or rather limitations which I am sure you are aware of.

Allcanadian, can you post some more details of the circuits that you tried earlier?

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #89 on: September 02, 2009, 11:37:59 AM »
Can anyone imagine,
how ALI´s digital oscillator with resonance works ?
Does he have some kind of CCD chain switched by Mosfets
with a positive feedback loop ?

Does he have the bulb load inside the positive feedback loop,
so the charges are raised in potential and can flow back from the output of the CCD chain to the
lower potential at the input of the CCD chain ?

If you compare it with an Audio delay echo unit, where they have also CCDs
for the delay line, if you feed back too much audio into the input,
then there is a resonance and the delay line will work like an oscillator..

He said, it always needs to see a load and I guess it must be something like this,
otherwise there would be no "siphon" effect.

Regards, Stefan.