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BEP

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #45 on: August 31, 2009, 04:13:24 AM »
@Fatbird

Blow this off if I sound like I'm trying to burst your bubble:

When I saw this vertical bar I recognized it as indicating something about this device but not OU. If this indicates OU then all the eye burning, blue/Violet car headlights on newer cars are OU as well.

Google 'MTF' (Modulation Transfer Function). This is basically the inability of the CCD cell to perform its job of averaging pixel color. This can happen because the area color is changing rapidly (almost square-wave) or the light spectrum for the pixel is approaching the upper limits of the CCD camera.

Maybe it is an indication of OU. I don't know. It does tell me this device is probably applying a very high frequency to the bulb. Perhaps only as 50Hz modulation of a very high frequency carrier but their is high frequency there.

I see this in visible light, IR and 'other' types of digital cameras.

As far as the vertical streaks on the older videos.... probably just lens polarization of glare.

Hopefully I'm wrong.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #46 on: August 31, 2009, 04:46:31 AM »
@Ali,
thank you for joining this forum
Mark Dansie

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #47 on: August 31, 2009, 12:24:03 PM »
Hi Mark,

Thank you for the generous offer, I would of course love to test this unit if it is possible!


Regards,

Dave.


@Dave,
thanks for your observations.
What I ilke about this vs many other claimed OU projects as there is an opennes with the inventor and a willingness to both demonstrate and provide units.
Only time will tell if he has stumbled upon something that has eluded us for many years or their is something flawed that either he or us have not picked up in the measuring.
I hope you would be available to have a look at the device. If you like I am happy to Pay Pal a donation and have it shipped to you as I have the upmost respect for your efforts over the years.
Kind Regards
Mark

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #48 on: August 31, 2009, 02:10:40 PM »
Hi Dave,
no problem at all. I will await Ali's next email to see if it is more convientient for you to test it at your labs or you travel to him. If you do have to travel to him I am happy to compensate you for your time and travel.
i will be calling him tommorrow (your Tuesday)
I am also looking at getting a second unit for testing in Australia
Kind Regards
Mark

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #49 on: August 31, 2009, 02:20:57 PM »
@Dave,
I just realised my email address was wrong here
Drop me a line anytime
markdansie@bigpond.com

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #50 on: August 31, 2009, 04:43:04 PM »
here i am putting a small diagram to show how i have tested the device and what points we are using for testing purpose
i need your suggestions for testing any further
the 50 hz discrepancy as discussed earlier fr. meter showing full scale at 30 volts or goes full scale as we lower the dimmer duty cycle, this effect is due to dimmers duty cycle and device has got nothing to do with it, dimmers do not alter frequencies.
to use device with batteries or solar panel we have to convert them into A/C first before feeding to device

one thing more device require 12 volts to operate its circuit at 250 milli amps

now i need suggestion from all experts ,on testing points and procedures
in the video i have only used bulbs but while testing device we have used fan as well to check use of inductive load as well
in the description i have written what loads we are using

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #51 on: August 31, 2009, 04:53:37 PM »
Hi winsonali,

can you use 10 AAA battery as input power and light a 100W 220Volt light bulb for 10 min and put a video on youtube ?

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #52 on: August 31, 2009, 04:54:38 PM »
Hi Ali,

Thank you for information.  So from this we can see that the output is also sine wave, the device does not output square waves or some such?

I wonder if you could use a 12v battery and an AC inverter with dimmer on the input?  This way we could see plain DC input power?

Then on the output we can measure across known resistive load, or perhaps rectify and filter to DC and measure across resistive load so we can read only DC levels to make the measurements clearer, just to elliminate any possible power factor or meter tricking?

Of course, we can really say that no measurement is enough in this kind of research with the ultimate question being, does it run itself in a closed loop or perhaps by using two batteries, one to run one to charge with auto-relay switching circuit to swap them.

Are you able to show oscilloscope shots of the input and output using current shunts, etc?

Of course it would also be helpful for us to see the circuit diagram, but not sure how you feel about releasing that as yet?

As you have no coil, no transformer, I wonder how you get sine waves out?  You have a bridge rectifier and 3 large electrolytic caps with several mosfets so I would have thought to see some pulsed signals on the output?  How the voltage is stepped up to 220v and made in to sine waves with this!


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Dave.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #53 on: August 31, 2009, 05:42:40 PM »
I'm just going to say a few words about how winsoali does his trick (or whoever "invented" this device), without going into too many detail.

Watt-Meter Characteristics

The mechanical watt-meters obviously have an aluminum disk that spins under the influence of the torque generated from the interaction of the two primary eddy currents, 

1) the "voltage" coil induced flux in the disk, and
2) the "current" coil induced flux in the disk. 

These two fluxes, and the eddy currents they produce in the disk, interact with each other and produce a torque on the disk proportional to the product of the in-phase components of V and I, which gives the real power flowing into the load.

Now, there is also a magnet dampener, which provides a retarding force on the disk, and it's force is proportional to the velocity of the disk.  All these forces balance out to result in the correct rate of turn of the disk.

By observation, and common sense (hopefully) it should be obvious that this device has a low frequency response characteristic.  For example the disk can't accelerate too fast, it has a lot of rotational inertia, the voltage and current coils have large inductances so they don't do well with high frequency (high of a voltage drop across them, v = L di/dt)

Now,  as we hopefully all know,  impedance matching is preformed at a particular frequency, since the inductance and capacitance reactances depend on it.  So, if you change the frequency you render the meter inaccurate and ineffective. 

However, the most important point is the fact that a DC current through the "current" coil won't induce eddy currents in the disk and it too renders the device inaccurate.  This is a key concept.   If we draw current from the device synchronized with the AC waveform on only one polarity, then we will have an average DC current flowing through the meter which won't be recorded. The DC current will in fact break the disk just like the magnet dampener.  This I believe is the trick to this device.


Just to get you thinking here's a diagram I made of the possible connections.  Like I said before, this is not free energy, just fooling the meter.  If that's what you want to do then by all means explore this technology, but I don't think it's ethical.

EM

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #54 on: August 31, 2009, 05:45:23 PM »
hi all,
my basic aim when designing this device was to cut down the energy bills for home user never give a second thought of ultimate other uses which i am exploring over here
use of  10 aaa batteries or giving feed to do self  buck boost i have not tried
as all of you guys know this is not complete yet and i am doing more and more research
the diagram i have posted is to just show how i have tested the input output  voltages and currents
any further development converting DC into AC then using it will increase the span of time
although we have to do it to use it with solar panel i am financially stuck so no further research is affordable at this stage until and unless i find some source of income or get some donations by providing some units to other people working  in the same field risking all my work could go away but this is what is fate any way its just a matter of time i will get this thing up and running.
 

do you remember war of currents  DC vs AC  or edison vs tesla many technologies are underway but some time i wonder why they are not there in the market

fruit for thoughts how i have done this try to develop a syphon in electronics you can do what i have done.
 

 

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #55 on: August 31, 2009, 06:15:35 PM »
reply to EM devices:

1 = there is no fooling with meter reading i have eliminated power meter in my testing diagram
2 = No DC is feeded into power meter input  is AC output is AC in circiut i have DC for control
3 =  turn off all lights in your home and put one dimmer and a light turn the dimmer to full scale so bulb will be in full bright condition and check (after the dimmer) frequency , voltage and current then note meter speed
Now
turn the dimmer to min. scale and check frequency , voltage and current then note meter speed
 you will find
meter is moving slow , voltage is very low , current is also low....

now after dimmer if you put my device  you will get in output full voltages(220) and appropriate current as per load on 50 hz so there is no fooling with the meter i am not sending any signal back to meter or nor i am using DC voltage with meter .

one thing more if i feed 220 volts AC directly to my device it makes 2000+ volts and destroy load and it self i have gone through this many times

i respect your knowledge in metering devices i my self have developed a web based multi tarrif power meter for client   and during designing it was measure issue how to identify electricity stealing ,
i hope you know better then me that these power meter are very accurate devices and hard to be fooled around feeding low frequency or high frequency is not simply possible, think of live wire communication devices they cannot effect meter reading now shortly you will see LAN operations over live wires they donot effect meter readings as well.

i tell you one thing i am an expert in designing mechanical aspects of life  in electronics ask me to design anything i will do that in my system i have designed a siphon in electronics every metal wire have free electrons  available find a way to align them you will be able to produce energy.
Ali   
 
 
 

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #56 on: August 31, 2009, 06:43:50 PM »
Hi Ali,

I am not saying you input DC current through the watt-meter, please don't misunderstand, what  I am saying is that a DC current results when you synchronously load and unload your device.   This average DC current fools the meter.

If you say that you have eliminated the watt-meter then that is great and you might have something more interesting then.  I suggest you use an oscilloscope, that way we can see the full waveforms and we can do our own calculations of power flow.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by a "siphon" in electronics, can you explain?

EM

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #57 on: August 31, 2009, 07:24:29 PM »
em devices:
i do understand that SMPS (switching mode power supplies DC converters) in computers, badly effect power factor thats why  the european union put a ban on chinese power supplies until and unless they are properly certified for PF close to 0.9 min. when a PF changes meter reading go faster because realpower = V * I /pf for example if voltages are 220 ad current is 1 amp the power is 220 watt when pf is 1 now if pf is 0.5
lets see what happens  real power = 220 *1 /0.5 = 440 watts so if pf is changed you will pay more not less and pf more then one is not possible

if PF is low power companies become in trouble coz then they have to transfer more current to meet the real power then apparent power so they put penalties if power factor is below 0.8

i am an ex proffessor from  an engineering university and have very clear vision of electronics and mechnical systems
220 volt coil in meter is parallel connected called activator magnet it can only make path for magnetic field so if there is no load it won't coz movement on disk even voltages are applied
current coil is called multiplier so disk only move when current flows so in this way it acts as power = V* I


what is siphon
if you want to get some fuel out of motor bike tank you put a pipe in it and suck it from other end then the fuel will start flowing to a lower destination but it will fly up in pipe for transition time this is called siphon i have develop this method in electronics and handling current in this way.
amazingly i got success my concepts are different from all other people working in this area

i have some other inventions as well but will show them after the successful trials of this one.
Ali 


 

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #58 on: August 31, 2009, 08:02:35 PM »
Ali,

the power factor is P/S = |cos th|,  where 'th' is the phase angle between the current and voltage, as you probably know.   S is the complex or apparent power, and P the real power.    Having a PF = 1 means the voltage and current are in phase, which means that our load is purely RESISTIVE. 
The reason the electric companies want all devices to have as high a PF as possible is so that there won't be looses in the network due to the extra useless reactive currents that flow.  This has nothing to do with how much they charge you, you still get charged only for real power (within the accuracy of your watt-meter of course)  For example, if you have a low PF due to a capacitive load, you will still be charged the correct amount, but the currents will be a lot higher then they need to be due to the reactive current that flows back and forth.

I now see what you mean by a siphon, thanks.

EM

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #59 on: August 31, 2009, 08:30:00 PM »
EM 
thanks for this explanation please explain a little bit more about how PFC units in factories and other places reduce your electricity bills and normally defined that you can save upto 30% of your bill by employing power factor correction units.

thanks and regards
Ali