Author Topic: New invention of motion less generation of electric power (Read 350905 times)

derricka · « **Reply #30 on:** August 29, 2009, 10:04:02 PM »

I can confirm that winsonali replied to my YouTube comment, as reposted by Stefan (see comments on previous page). My first impression, is that he seems quite open, and more knowledgeable, than many of the overunity type claimants I have seen on YouTube. In addition to Stefan's invitation, I will encourage him to post here in this forum.

markdansie · « **Reply #31 on:** August 30, 2009, 12:43:21 AM »

hi all
appart from recieving the first email I have not heard from him since,
I have an engineer in London who we can use for testing as well , and am happy to contribute to the cost of any of you wanting to travel there or to purchase a unit for testing.
Mark
Australia

hartiberlin · « **Reply #32 on:** August 30, 2009, 01:57:40 AM »

Ali is currently traveling and will be home on Monday, then he will
answer again emails he wrote me.

Regards, Stefan.

EMdevices · « **Reply #33 on:** August 30, 2009, 02:21:54 AM »

Why is the frequency meter showing two different readings?

This device is fooling the meter, it's not free energy!

Somebody needs to be enlightened on how power meters work, but then their conscience might get activated. Stealing is not cool!

EM

CTG Labs · « **Reply #34 on:** August 30, 2009, 10:57:36 AM »

Hi EM,

Lets not be so fast here!

Before he connects the device the frequency is normal.

When he does connect the device, the frequency is also normal.

THEN he removes the the device to show you again how dim the bulbs are on 30v and it is then that the frequency meter is off the scale.

So, if you go back to the moment he FIRST turns the voltage down to 30v, THAT is when the frequency needle goes up and the unit is not yet connected! (3 mins in).

In fact when he connects the unit, the frequency returns to normal.

Can it be his frequency meter does not like such low input voltage?

Regards,

Dave.

Quote from: EMdevices on August 30, 2009, 02:21:54 AM

Why is the frequency meter showing two different readings?

This device is fooling the meter, it's not free energy!

Somebody needs to be enlightened on how power meters work, but then their conscience might get activated. Stealing is not cool!

EM

BEP · « **Reply #35 on:** August 30, 2009, 01:59:25 PM »

It is unlikely this meter is anything but a common analog panel meter.

As such, it is a very dumb device. There is no fooling it. The 'fooling' is at the user side.

As supply voltage (also sensing voltage) ramps up the meter will swing from zero to off-scale then back to the line frequency reading. As voltage drops the meter will swing to off-scale then back to zero.

If this meter is a 120 or 220 volt meter then 30 volts would cause it to go off-scale or perhaps a bit less than full scale.

Not everything had a digital circuit in it.

markdansie · « **Reply #36 on:** August 30, 2009, 02:05:53 PM »

@Dave,
thanks for your observations.
What I ilke about this vs many other claimed OU projects as there is an opennes with the inventor and a willingness to both demonstrate and provide units.
Only time will tell if he has stumbled upon something that has eluded us for many years or their is something flawed that either he or us have not picked up in the measuring.
I hope you would be available to have a look at the device. If you like I am happy to Pay Pal a donation and have it shipped to you as I have the upmost respect for your efforts over the years.
Kind Regards
Mark

winsonali · « **Reply #37 on:** August 30, 2009, 07:00:30 PM »

Frequency meter showing full scale
1) this activity is taking place only when device is not connected and dimmer is set to its min value lets say 30 volts try this i your lab and you will find the same results
reason : these are very low cost meters and cannot cope with readings when duty cycle is very low to get 30 volts out of 220 volts through dimmer the duty cycle becomes 1:10 approx means actual voltage divide by 10. this meter is unable to sense proper frequency at this stage. Dimmers do not effect frequency they just play with duty cycle so the rms voltages goes down in simple terms average voltage goes down.
this situation has nothing to do with device. and
when device turns on it take the charge and frequency is adjusted through feed back controlled digital programed device so it stays 50 HZ with or without load
see the power of device what ever is happening at the input the out put is stable in terms of frequency and out put power
even at the moment the device needs lot of perfection which is only possible with feed back of such fine knowledgeable people on this forum

gyulasun · « **Reply #38 on:** August 30, 2009, 07:52:14 PM »

Hi Winsonali,

Welcome. How much more theory of your device could your share, beyond what you already mentioned at the youtube texts?

Thanks, Gyula

poynt99 · « **Reply #39 on:** August 30, 2009, 08:28:50 PM »

In order to be completely convincing, you will have to perform proper power in and out measurements. The power meter may have slowed down, but I would not bet my house that it is giving correct real power indication.

Coils are not required to perform power conversion. It can be done with capacitors as well, as I have shown on EF.

Most likely the only thing happening here is the power meter is being fooled. Do proper measurements and you may see something quite different.

.99

Omega_0 · « **Reply #40 on:** August 30, 2009, 08:57:44 PM »

Winsonali,

Welcome.

Yes, that seems to be the correct explanation of behavior of the frequency meter. May be if you use a transformer with current limiter to bring the mains voltage down (instead of a dimmer), it will show right frequency. But thats a minor matter.

Main thing is, measurements... It can happen that some transient negative spikes or high frequencies are confusing the power meter. You need to remove it for the purpose of measurements and perform actual power measurements, to prove your claim.

You seem to be expert in electronics and have more than average knowledge about it, I hope you have a very useful invention here, overunity or not doesn't matter right now.

So the question is -
What is the RMS input power and RMS output power from your device ?

hartiberlin · « **Reply #41 on:** August 30, 2009, 09:17:24 PM »

Hmm,
I would say, that if you use a phase control dimmer like Ali
used and use it to reduce the 50 Hz sine frequency to reduce the
RMS to about 30 Volts and use this as the input for his "black box",
you just can not light up the lamps normally
to get them brighter again than the 30 Volts RMS would get them.

But Ali has done it to show them as bright as if he would power
them with 220 Volts.
Also the frequency meter suggests he is using 50 Hz when he powers the bulbs
with his device.
And as he posted he seems to convert the 30 Volts RMS phase cut controled sine wave
first to DC voltage and then uses his IC circuits to produce this
higher output 220 Volts 50 Hz sine wave again.

I am really curious what kind of effect he is using for it,
if he uses any kind of phase shifter circuit and quadrature modulation circuit
or something like this

As there seems to be no coils involved and just only capacitors, that seems
to be a pretty intelligent circuit...

Regards, Stefan.

EMdevices · « **Reply #42 on:** August 30, 2009, 11:05:17 PM »

Here's a page illustrating the basic operation of a watt meter. (from google books: Newnes Electrical Pocket Book, pg 421)

Notice the voltage coil needs phase correction (since it's an inductor) and we want it to respond in phase with the voltage. It's possible to create an output device that will mess with the phases and cause the meter to not work properly, which is what this motionless generator "invention" is doing.

EM

winsonali · « **Reply #43 on:** August 30, 2009, 11:52:37 PM »

i would like to explain the working of a watt meter in simple words
there are two coils
1 is voltage coil produce current lagging by 90 degree phase shifting to produce eddy current it works on ac only
2 is called current coils that is 3 turns in down coils that works as multiplier
if power factor distrubs it will give more reading and inceases electric bills that why in factories where they have induction motors they employ power factor capacitors to reduce electricity bill so producing distrubance in power factor increase meter speed rather slowing it down

if power factor is with in limits capacitor do not play any role but again cause electricity loses so an automatic powerfactor correction system is necassary to get the real power and apperant closer to get accurate billing

conclusion
A) powerfactor dose effect meter reading but always increases the speed it never reduces the speed real power = v * I/ pf and if power factor is one meter give accurate reading
B) if by just using a dimmer meter speed can be slow downed all enegy theives use this technique
and this is not known till yet only way to steal elec. power to cut the nuetral from meter and ground it but now a days all all power companies ground the meter in such a way that this effect is not working any more the only way to get enegy is by generating through any of the following means wind solar hydro... or the new techiques we are developing

i am preparing a docuement to establish testing procedure for the device i will send it to stefan and once we are agreed with inputs from experts we will conduct testing
regards Ali

FatBird · « **Reply #44 on:** August 31, 2009, 12:50:52 AM »

Winsonali DEFINITELY has OVERUNITY on his invention.

LOOK at the VERTICAL BEAM of LIGHT.

Notice that a CCD Video Camera picks up the OverUnity Cold Electricity AETHER VORTEX Spin when Light Bulbs are powered. Our eyes CANNOT see it in Person, BUT the Video Camera CCD CAN see it.

Notice that Floyd Sweet's VTA had the spinning vortex. SM's TPU had it, & now Winsonali's invention also has it.

PLUS, look close at Winsonali's CLOSE UP Photo & the actual Aether Vortex SPIN can be seen.

Absolutely Amazing!!!

.

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