Author Topic: New invention of motion less generation of electric power (Read 350940 times)

powercat · « **on:** August 26, 2009, 02:52:05 PM »

Ok here is the video posted by winsonal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvzSuSTRA2M
only one video on his Channel page

cat

powercat · « **Reply #1 on:** August 26, 2009, 02:56:59 PM »

Here is the text that was posted with the video

this video shows the new invention of motion less generation of electric power it take 1.5 amps at 30 volts(45 watt) and produces 0.7amp at 220 volts (154watt) this device can be used to reduce your electri city bill slow down the meter this generator is world first solid state power generator please see the video and if you have any querries you can contact me on winsonali@yahoo.com if you wish to but one of these units for R&D purpose i will send you a unit imediatly i have already file the patent for any further question related to over unity , comparsion with magnacoaster vorktex , magnetic electric gererator, perpetual motion , tesla coil , high frequency or principal of bearden motionless generator please ask me i will send you details. the sole purpose fo sjowing this video is to promote free or low cost electricity you can reduce you electri bill upto 60% very easily
this power generation is based on my own theory of smart energy my email address is winsonali on yahoo
this unit can be directly connected to windmill and solar panels and this is a perfect solution for alternative energy
END

cat

hartiberlin · « **Reply #2 on:** August 26, 2009, 07:39:36 PM »

Looks really interesting.

From the video, if it is not faked one can clearly see a power
amplification.

But he says, that he is using no magnets and no transformers,
so why does he call it a MEG ?

I have emailed him to come over here.

Regards, Stefan.

jibbguy · « **Reply #3 on:** August 26, 2009, 10:25:29 PM »

Hmm, very interesting.

What does it mean that he left the dimmer circuit (the white box) at the low power setting when disconnecting line power and connecting the device?

And what if he is using a much higher F to power the bulbs; and that could be why they are bright even at the low dimmer setting... And the meter can't read the higher F very well (because it was designed for "50 Hz")? That trick might work OK with incandescent lights, but not AC motors

But anyway, in order to answer these questions properly, the wall meter needs to be inline with the line power input BEFORE the device not AFTER it... Not between the device & dimmer, and light bulbs as it appears to me to be in the video.

So it just could be a question of not doing his demo correctly for the attention of skeptics; or it could be a fraud. Another vid with a frequency meter or scope at the lights, and the power meter at the input to the device (BEFORE it not after it), should clear this up easily enough.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #4 on:** August 26, 2009, 11:32:40 PM »

Quote from: jibbguy on August 26, 2009, 10:25:29 PM

Hmm, very interesting.

What does it mean that he left the dimmer circuit (the white box) at the low power setting when disconnecting line power and connecting the device?

Yes, he seems to feed his device the about 30 Volts phase triggered dimmer output AC.
Maybe he uses a rectifier in his device first to convert this to
DC and then process this DC voltage ?
I see some rectifier diodes at the left side of his unit.

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And what if he is using a much higher F to power the bulbs; and that could be why they are bright even at the low dimmer setting... And the meter can't read the higher F very well (because it was designed for "50 Hz")? That trick might work OK with incandescent lights, but not AC motors

Hmm, then the meter would probably show a lower frequency,cause it could not keep up...
Probably very unlikely..so he probably converts it back to 50 Hz in this case ?

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But anyway, in order to answer these questions properly, the wall meter needs to be inline with the line power input BEFORE the device not AFTER it... Not between the device & dimmer, and light bulbs as it appears to me to be in the video.

No, the wall meter is before his device and after the dimmer , so it still reads a slow speed turning wheel, when he
runs his device.

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So it just could be a question of not doing his demo correctly for the attention of skeptics; or it could be a fraud. Another vid with a frequency meter or scope at the lights, and the power meter at the input to the device (BEFORE it not after it), should clear this up easily enough.

Well, I agree, that it is a bit confusing and it needs better explanation and better audio quality.
Also scope shots would be great to see what is really going on.

Well from viewing it fullscreen you can only
see big caps some ICs and some (4 ?) power transistors or MOSFETs
on the board.

Also it seems that it still needs some external power supply
for the ICs as there is a black cable going to it from under the table.
This is not explained in the video but it is probably the power supply for
the ICs and switching circuits...
But a skeptic could argue, that the rest of the power comes from this cable...

Hmm...
We just need more information...

markdansie · « **Reply #5 on:** August 27, 2009, 02:11:00 PM »

I think we should email him and ask him about the external power source going into the box. I think he said it was 12 volts and he has not measured or taken that power into the equation.
Would be good to see if it can power a motor with the same results.
Mark

gyulasun · « **Reply #6 on:** August 27, 2009, 03:04:16 PM »

Quote from: hartiberlin on August 26, 2009, 07:39:36 PM

Looks really interesting.

From the video, if it is not faked one can clearly see a power
amplification.

But he says, that he is using no magnets and no transformers,
so why does he call it a MEG ?

I have emailed him to come over here.

Regards, Stefan.

Hello Stefan,

He does not call it a MEG he calles it a motionless generator (he does not include the "electromagnetic" word which the MEG has in the middle).

He has written an hour ago at his video link the following answer:

So how does this invention work ?

it works through software and follow a patern of switchinhg technology which boost the voltages from 30 volts to 220 volts but reduces currentï»¿

during the process the the movement of electrons generates its own rersonance and a more power out comes out

the principal is some thing like negative resistor but the technique used is different
this is my own theory which i have converted into practical means

I hope he can come over to this forum and share some more, depending on his patent application...

rgds, Gyula

markdansie · « **Reply #7 on:** August 28, 2009, 12:25:29 AM »

hi all,
I have been in email correspondence with the inventor.
He is very open about this. I am arranging for an engineer to go and check it out in the UK.
The wire going down powering the unit is 12 volts and runs at .25 amps (240MA)
The unit is scalable and been tested to 1000va so far with larger units planned.
I have no idea if this really works or not, or has been suggested it just tricks the power meter. Either way I would mind having one on my power meter.
if I get further updates and if the engineer checks it out I will inform you all
Mark

derricka · « **Reply #8 on:** August 28, 2009, 03:57:35 AM »

Until I know more about the circuit, instinct and experience tells me that this is most likely a measurement mistake caused by power being chopped at high frequencies that confuse meters designed only to work properly at 50/60 Hz. Another possibility, all those capacitors on the board could altering the power factor.
Hooking this circuit up to a wide bandwidth power meter, like a Clarke Hess 2330 Watt meter would be a great start. Lab grade meters such as these, are very tough to fool with unusual input waveforms or frequencies. Measuring DC power fed to an inverter of known efficiency, is another testing method. Anyway, hope to learn more about what is going on with this circuit.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #9 on:** August 28, 2009, 04:01:34 AM »

There is some news in my latest audio update.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?AudioUpdates

Regards, Stefan.

CTG Labs · « **Reply #10 on:** August 28, 2009, 11:33:01 AM »

Hi Mark,

This should be interesting! However, looking at the video, the 2 pin outlets, I would bet money that lab video was not filmed in the UK. Did he say that is where it was, or just where he is now?

Regards,

Dave.

Quote from: markdansie on August 28, 2009, 12:25:29 AM

hi all,
I have been in email correspondence with the inventor.
He is very open about this. I am arranging for an engineer to go and check it out in the UK.
The wire going down powering the unit is 12 volts and runs at .25 amps (240MA)
The unit is scalable and been tested to 1000va so far with larger units planned.
I have no idea if this really works or not, or has been suggested it just tricks the power meter. Either way I would mind having one on my power meter.
if I get further updates and if the engineer checks it out I will inform you all
Mark

markdansie · « **Reply #11 on:** August 28, 2009, 01:02:54 PM »

hi Stephan,
thanks for the audio. I agree with the general thoughts expressed by everyone re the testing. I have seen many people make the mistakes when it comes to testing energy in and out.
I do believe he is in the UK and I await his next email to have a visit organised by someone who knows how to measure input and output.
I will not speculate but history isnt on the side of this one.
will keep you updated.
Mark

markdansie · « **Reply #12 on:** August 28, 2009, 01:24:33 PM »

Hi everyone,
I found this quote from Bob Smith on another topic earlier this year. Please note the similarities in Ali's description on how his device works

2. Resonance
- which brings the frequency of oscillation in an inductor to a point where it not only multiplies its own input voltage at multiple harmonic levels, but becomes a kind of negative resistor or transducer of new ("outside") aetheric energy into electrical impulses.
(However, here the question arises: is this conventional "hot" electricity or "cold" electricity? [I would tend to think the latter]).

powercat · « **Reply #13 on:** August 28, 2009, 02:28:37 PM »

Hi Stephan
I enjoyed the audio. nice feature
in the video the guy says he is prepared to send a unit to anyone interested in testing,
though in your communications with him he is saying a generous donation is required

He is also saying that he's invented a heater that uses 200 W and produces 1000 W heat,
hopefully he will be give you more information on the heater as well as the other unit.

all the best
cat

lltfdaniel1 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 28, 2009, 02:41:14 PM »

Well this is from the inventor.

dear martin,
i do accept paypal
i will send you details of the packaging and instruction manual along with the device
i will send you the details shortly
if you wish to see the working unit you can see it i live in london we can arrange some time in this eway you can be comfortable before buying
winsonAli

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