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Author Topic: Mylow Motor was a fake  (Read 114857 times)

lostcauses10x

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Re: Mylow Motor was a fake
« Reply #210 on: May 24, 2009, 07:16:54 PM »
TK have you gone with a test on a multiple wrap on the drive spindle and driven spindle yet.  Such is more forgiving on the tension of the line. Like a cats head system.

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Re: Mylow Motor was a fake
« Reply #211 on: May 24, 2009, 07:26:25 PM »
Yep, sure have. The first version used a really thin shaft on the motor so I used two or more wraps there, and also on the driven mount. But here there's just one loop, no wraps, because that's the easiest to do and as you can see it works quite well. I even bumped the rotor pretty hard there when I took the wood up while running, and then I actually used the wood to re-tension the line so it would keep driving.

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Re: Mylow Motor was a fake
« Reply #212 on: May 24, 2009, 07:34:48 PM »
One might wonder why Mylow changed stator mounts after the early videos.

Perhaps it's because it made it less likely that he would pull the line off the electric motor if it wasn't running through the stator mount itself, or perhaps it's because the line becomes more visible against a presswood background...

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Re: Mylow Motor was a fake
« Reply #213 on: May 24, 2009, 07:39:34 PM »
Yep, sure have. The first version used a really thin shaft on the motor so I used two or more wraps there, and also on the driven mount. But here there's just one loop, no wraps, because that's the easiest to do and as you can see it works quite well. I even bumped the rotor pretty hard there when I took the wood up while running, and then I actually used the wood to re-tension the line so it would keep driving.

I like the vid. Shows folks such can be faked.  But as I said in my comment to your vid, folks will still believe no mater what you show or say.
 
 I don't see all of that a bad thing, yet in this case one can ask a simple question. If not fake how can it work??  I do not get a realistic answer to that question even from folks that still believe and intend to try a replication.

 Oh well such is life, and maybe an observation of use, or difference; will still come out of such. I hope.
That question with these set ups should stop folks. yet it does not.

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Re: Mylow Motor was a fake
« Reply #214 on: May 24, 2009, 10:09:33 PM »
hartiberlin
What can one say in all of this.
You after the fact show how easy it is, yet such was questioned and believed as proof of claims.

 It still  comes down to the simple question of claims that go against the norm. How can such be properly verified.

 It is the age old problem of shown what one may take, as this is happening; when some thing else entirely is really going on.

 I have some strange Ideas I need to play with, yet of course such does not use just one force of implementing motion. To say they would work, LOL I am not that brave, yet such as all of this is fun , and some were I do have hopes some useful devices can come from such.

 If folks only new how many times I have seen similar variations of stuff in the OU FE game, and of course so many variations of explanations of why, when of course it never does, ( A few that still have me confused, I still think about)  that are out there. The desire to believe is a human thing that tends to out weigh the facts.

 I for one, sure hope some one comes up with such as a device or devises that can free up the individual from them pay out for energy to the corporations.

 For all I hope everyone will keep looking and work at such a goal.
I just ask folks to think a lot before jumping into believing what is claimed and shown.

 I am one that is a bit of a paradox.  I want to believe, yet have not see much to believe.

 When I looked at what went on with this one I see the same thing I have done in the past.
1; Hope it is real
2: Desire and atempt to find out the information for replication.
3; anylise before building, wich has two questions for me. (Note on the Mylow this killed any possible replication from me. No way i could find it could have worked.)
3A: can I learn from such.
3B: what is the reason the claim given might work? Note if I can not see any reason it should work, or some thing to learn I do NOT replicate.

Folks believed, and sought out from the statements that should have said, WHAT A MINUIT SOME THING IS WRONG; and found excuses to continue to believe.

LOL they do not call us folks that dabble in this stuff cultist for no reason.
This fiasco shows just how much of a cult attitude is involved with this.

 A man that could not even say what his magnet polarity were, all up or otherwise in his original video, going to NSA folks taking it away,etc.
He even confess to faked, and folks still want to believe.  Proof of how it was faked has been shown, and folks still want to believe.

 A cult mentality in the FE ou world. Oh yes such exists. It is very real and Mylow and Sterling D.Allan has proven this beyond any doubt.  LOL the FE OU world should live by a simple rule. "Don't drink the kool aid."
A lot sure drank it in this one.

To paraphrase Bill Clinton: I drank the Koolaid but I did not swallow.

I think that sums up my whole Mylow experience.

I wonder if Mylow and Tony are laughing at some of us now?  They'll probably get an invitation to appear on Good Morning America.

Bill
« Last Edit: May 25, 2009, 12:10:08 AM by Pirate88179 »

RunningBare

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Re: Mylow Motor was a fake
« Reply #215 on: May 24, 2009, 11:40:54 PM »
I've created my own very simple little poll, these are kinda fun.

http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574

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Re: Mylow Motor was a fake
« Reply #216 on: May 25, 2009, 12:03:19 AM »
Thank Runninggbare.
I voted (and I tested it so you can only vote once...would never do for a presidential election)
I can't post to mylow-group on yahoo but would be good if someone snuk it on there
Mark

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Re: Mylow Motor was a fake
« Reply #217 on: May 25, 2009, 12:07:25 AM »
I never signed up for the group, I seriously doubt I would have survived past my first post.

Thank Runninggbare.
I voted (and I tested it so you can only vote once...would never do for a presidential election)
I can't post to mylow-group on yahoo but would be good if someone snuk it on there
Mark

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Re: Mylow Motor was a fake
« Reply #218 on: May 25, 2009, 12:13:13 AM »
RB:

Good job on the poll.  I voted.  I agree someone should post this to that group over there.  I do not belong either.

Bill                    PS  At the time I voted it was 89% against.

***EDIT***    Hey RB.  Maybe you should start a topic just for your poll.  I believe more folks would see it that way. 
« Last Edit: May 25, 2009, 12:45:14 AM by Pirate88179 »

RunningBare

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Re: Mylow Motor was a fake
« Reply #219 on: May 25, 2009, 12:21:28 AM »
These kind of polls are something I do not take seriously, but they are good indicators of peoples feelings.
http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
RB:

Good job on the poll.  I voted.  I agree someone should post this to that group over there.  I do not belong either.

Bill                    PS  At the time I voted it was 87% against.

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Re: Mylow Motor was a fake
« Reply #220 on: May 25, 2009, 04:16:39 AM »
@TK

I am glad the observation of the Potential String (PS) in the Video 6 if entering the left bridge hole would have been directly aligned with the shaft flats came from you and not me since this would have been construed as another reason for an excuse.

So let's do it again. Let's analyze this one to hell and back and see what we get.

1) PS on shaft flats would mean there are two disadvantaged positions per full rotation for the PS to turn the shaft. One when the flat is perpendicular to the bridge hole and two when the flat is horizontal to the bridge hole. No I do not think there is an absolute need to replicate  a PS over the flats. (Gee, did I saaaaaaaaay that?). I do however consider that such a condition would render the potentially for the PS to turn the wheel is a steady fashion to be very hard to accept. Especially if one would then consider that the stator to rotor relationship would have been an additional hindrance from mutual drag being exerted on the outer rim of the wheel meaning any exertion there would be felt in multiples near the shaft.

2) Again when Mylow lifted the stator bridge to show the stator close up, this would have extended the PS. I know you touched upon this as I had mentioned once before. But then again I am not convinced that the movement was that negligible. He lifted the bridge a good 2-3 feet from the rotor as can be seen in the first photo vid6-bridge1.jpg. This would equal a 6 foot extension of the PS being 3 feet one way and 3 feet the other way. Again, the advent of being able to tighten up all the foreseeable slack is not possible in my view and cannot be shown to have taken place during the video.

3) If in the event that he had managed to take up all the PS slack within the 4-5 seconds it took him to put the bridge back in place by 1:17, and this while holding the bridge in his left hand and the camera in his right hand explaining why the camera was erratic since he was concentrating on putting the bridge back in place and not on filming, there is the another inconsistency here. While the bridge was then placed back he made sure it was pushed to the right to keep the stator away from the rotors and to hold the wheel blocked. He was not ready to start the wheel yet and he knew the stator would make the rotors turn if it was not positioned where it was.

4) Now if there was a PS active and turning while he moved the bridge in item 2 on in item 3, the wheel should have been turning all this time and it was not so if there was a PS, it was not turning. If it was not turning, and if Mylow knew his wheel did not work, then why did he push the bride to the right to block the wheel? Either because he was worried it would turn on its own before the camera was ready or because he knew that when he turned on the motor, the PS would start the wheel before he could show some positioning of the stator activity.

5) At 1:28 I have grabbed a photo vid6-bridge2.jpg showing the bridge and the shaft. There is noting there in terms of a PS. not even when close ups are seen.

6) At 1:44 he brings his left hand to the left bridge for the first time to pull it away from the wheel and to bring the stator closer to the rotors. His left hand is on the bridge, his right hand is holding the camera so no chance to pass a string through the hole, lift up the wheel to loop the PS into place. This DID NOT HAPPEN. He just pulled on the bridge and positioned the stator.

7) At 2:22 the stator was at it's closest position to the rotor and we can see the rotors react to the stator. Again left hand on bridge and right hand with camera. Now PS can be manoeuvred as one would expect nor any slack taken up.

8) At 2:30 he moves the wheel so the rotors exit momentum is at the stator alignment and he JUST LET IT GO, no pushing, no nothing. The wheel stated to push through the first 3 set, then the next and by that time the wheel was up and turning AS I WOULD EXPECT IT TOO TURN LOOKING AT MY MANY EXPERIMENTS OF MY OWN WHEEL. Except that Mylwos kept on turning and turning. During this time, his left hand was free but his right hand still had the camera. So, it is impossible for him to keep filming from where he was shown in photo vid6-bridge3.jpg when he zoomed out showing the distance he actually was from the wheel at 3:18 while the wheel was still turning.

9) At 4.54 he stops the wheel by pushing the bridge to the right. This was the only time he came close enough to the wheel once it was started since all the closeups he did was with the camera zoom while he was standing a good few feet away. The way the wheel stopped again is exactly how one would expect it to stop with a magnet to magnet wheel and the built up momentum coming to a stop. No exaggerated dragging against the wheel indicating the wheel wanted to continue turning with the aid of a PS.

10) At 5:09 I grabbed this photo vid6-bridge4.jpg showing under wheel at the left bridge. There is no PS. Not even an inkling of one. I know you saw something but given all these facts of no way being able to have a PS on the wheel before the demo, the proper start up and acceleration, the fact that has was a few feet away from the wheel after start-up all point to only one conclusion in my mind. This is real.

OH, I did not continue to the end for the video since this first start-up is good enough to show if it should be fake or not, but in my book, THIS VIDEO IS REAL.

OK. The ball is in your court. Take it away @TK.

11) Last observation or better still quandary is why would Mylow send High Res videos to Sterling of videos of the bar magnet demos and not the first demos. If he wanted to show they were all fake, why not send all or at least one of each. I am thinking either he wanted Sterling to find the second ones fake or he was pressured to send the faked High Res ones by other forces beyond his control. The only thing that is protecting Mylow right now from any potential outer forces, call them what you will, is the fact that Mylow is now in the public eye. Trying to subvert second demos would have been the only option they had left if they were not able to remove Mylow because of all this attention and actually Sterlings involvement in publicizing all this may have helped Mylow's situation in that regard. So we may have to thank Sterling for building up the Mylow name. Sound not to appealing for some but only time will tell.
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Re: Mylow Motor was a fake
« Reply #221 on: May 25, 2009, 04:17:13 AM »
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Re: Mylow Motor was a fake
« Reply #222 on: May 25, 2009, 04:17:28 AM »
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« Reply #223 on: May 25, 2009, 04:17:46 AM »
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Re: Mylow Motor was a fake
« Reply #224 on: May 25, 2009, 04:28:27 AM »
I am sure all of this deconstruction is taking time away from your own replication which would settle the veracity of Mylow far more than this.