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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: hartiberlin on May 20, 2009, 01:43:27 PM
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Hi All,
I was 3 days away and boy what did I miss.
After catching up with all the latest videos of the Mylow thread,
finally some people have seen the fishing lines in the Mylow Videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrw
Well, it is said, how we are scammed from "scammers" like
this José guy.
So how should we handle this kind of scams in the future ?
Should we now post full name and address details of José ( Mylow)
to scare other scammsters away ?
I think José needs to be punished in some way to have been
doing this scam to us.
Also as I have played in the past with Howard Johnson setups
and saw, that just magnets alone never will work, if you don´t have any iron
cores in it.
See my 90 degres iron core pieces advantage video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5mYm5nO5Fw
Well, I could also not understand how Sterling D. Allan could fall
so badly for this scam and also made a lot of money out of it...
I wonder, if he will pay back the money to all the people who
bought the plans...
So what are your thoughts of it and how should it be handled
now ?
Should we publish José´s real name and address ?
Regards, Stefan.
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I wouldn't. It could possibly open you up for legal concerns that you don't need, m8. Here's the scenario:
Some idiot here goes to mylow's house and harasses him in person (maybe even physically threatens or hurts him). His REAL lawyer then names you in a civil suit.
Remember that this guy, no matter what a faker he is, didn't actually DO anything from a legal standpoint to anyone here, and he covered himself by actually ADMITTING to fakery, then cleverly got Sterling to retract for him so he didn't have to personally (twice lol).
As bad as the current situation is for the community, having some moron go out for imagined vengeance against mylow is even worse.
And there is still the question if that address is even real or not. It may not be.
And there is the VERY SLIM, yet undeniably possible, scenario that some believe regarding the early vids being "real", and that the MIB's "took over" and "made him do it". I admit that may sound absurd... But so does every thing else about this.
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Stefan,
No I don't think you should publish his personal information, nor do anything in an attempt to punish Mylow.
Really, the onus is on the audience, US that is. We have to be skeptical if sufficient proof is not provided, and this goes for those making similar ou claims with conventional electronics circuits as well.
If the claimant does not provide sufficient evidence of authenticity, then they should be dismissed by this community. That is the best punishment for anyone making false or unsubstantiated claims, such as Mylow and others have done in the past. If they lose their captive audience, they will go away. If their device is real, they will make the effort to prove it.
.99
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I think it will be safe to say poor Sterling, although he is a cause of much of the hype. I did chuckle when he mentioned MyLow might have a mental disorder in his latest blurb. I believe some honourable others (no names mentioned ;) ) may have similar disorders.
quick question, does OU.com expect a formal apology from Sterling ?
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Well, it is said, how we are scammed from "scammers" like
this José guy.
So how should we handle this kind of scams in the future ?
Regards, Stefan.
We could start by accepting that videos from people other than those we know and trust are not worth a piss in a bucket.
Do we really believe that the Death Star actually did blow up the planet Alderaan because we saw this in a video? Videos mean nothing.
We should not give space on this board to those who do not wish to supply technical drawings and specifications.
Paul.
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Seriously, do NOT publish his name and address.
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Stefan,
No I don't think you should publish his personal information, nor do anything in an attempt to punish Mylow.
Really, the onus is on the audience, US that is. We have to be skeptical if sufficient proof is not provided, and this goes for those making similar ou claims with conventional electronics circuits as well.
If the claimant does not provide sufficient evidence of authenticity, then they should be dismissed by this community. That is the best punishment for anyone making false or unsubstantiated claims, such as Mylow and others have done in the past. If they lose their captive audience, they will go away. If their device is real, they will make the effort to prove it.
.99
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I think publishing personal information about Mylow is not a prudent idea. I see no reason to punish the man other than the public humiliation he is already receiving. Is vengeance appropriate? I don't think so. And how would that help anything except feed people's schadenfreude and possibly cause a tragedy no one wants. The best thing is to let it die and move on but learn from the experience.
The lesson learned has to be that the scientific method of verification, falsification and replication are the best tools to ensure that the claimant is offering something worthy of consideration in a professional manner. I think that the burden of proof always rests with the claimant and if ever you see them balk at any aspect of conforming to the scientific method then that should send red flags up immediately. A lot of people spent good money on the materials necessary to replicate and others may have spent a good deal of time and possibly money to disprove it.
When someone wants to fool people it shows their deep disrespect for those people who trust what they are being told is true. It should take a long time to build trust and as Mylow found out a very short time to lose it. But to go on a witch hunt for Mylow is completely unnecessary and counter productive to good science.
I think demanding verification from the beginning is the best way to avoid the inertia of a scam or hoax. As Mylow demurred from allowing someone to inspect his set up then attention should have been turned away until such time as inspection was allowed. Once that was done then the process of replication could have occurred with the aim to falsify the data so that the only possible answer as to why it works is true.
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Stefan
It makes me happy that you are asking before doing. That's important.
IMHO, absolutely not. A violation of the forum's confidentiality for anything other than criminal reasons would only reflect poorly on the forum.
Mylow will receive his just rewards, in this life or in another, so I'm not worried about him.
The replication prize, now...
that's a different story. That's mine and I want it.
Regards, TK
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Okay, I think you all are right and I will not publish his real name
and address.
Well, here is another video showing the fishing lines:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLLSUV6rNPo
and here in the original video from 8:08 to 8:13 you can
also see it easily:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNwhZH8zGD0
Also TinselKoala has shown it very well in his videos,
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TinselKoala&view=videos
how Mylow did it.
I also think, Sterling should pay him the prize
or donate it to charity and post the charity receipt.
Regards, Stefan.
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Did Sterling D. Allan also met the guy from Perendev? ::)
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So basically Mylow admitted it already in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44ytKdyDA3A
but he did not yet tell, that he used a fishing line for
the connection between the motor and the aludisk shaft.
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Video #6 people.
Beware the GUMCT: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7480.0
Stefan, no exposure warrented or required, just take another look at the original setup in #6
I think it works, despite everything we are being told.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&feature=channel_page
Untill this video is proven a clear fake, I am still continuing to try replicating this setup.
Count on it.
AZ
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Watch the hi res (just for sh*ts and giggles)
http://www.filesavr.com/m2u00176may3glasstablesecond
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So basically Mylow admitted it already in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44ytKdyDA3A
but he did not yet tell, that he used a fishing line for
the connection between the motor and the aludisk shaft.
Mylow obviously has some real issues he needs to address if he wants to become a decent human being. He besmirched the name of HJ under the guise of glorifying him. He took advantage of people's trust by lying to them. And he used seeming sincerity to further the deception. It's an old story. Using a partial truth about how he did it to discredit the skeptics is really arrogant.
Who knows what his motivations really were. We can only question our own in allowing him to get so far so fast.
I just hope that it is understood that dissenting voices are not noise but in fact are necessary to reveal the one true signal.
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fiery poop bag on doorstep?
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>:(
I am really disgusted by this thing. I had thought this guy had nailed it. Why on Earth would someone do this? Is this the Uri Geller syndrome? did he have a running machine, could not replicate it and just continued because he had gotten used to the public attention he had gotten with this? That would be at least understandable. _If it was a fake from the beginning, the guy did a grave disservice to the free energy movement. The more I see and read of all this the more I turn into a disbeliever. I made 3 Bedini motors, and have posted their history on these pages. I really put a lot of effort into this and the effect was....well....not up to my expectations. I got the secondary battery charged, got sulphated batteries to run again but never saw any overunity in all my experiments.
When I saw the Mylow motor I thought for a moment here it is...straight in the face of scientific opinion. But then again...a fake.
Sterling Allan has played a dubious role here, too. He talks of open sourcing the plans of the device to the world, and then he SELLS them and the higher res videos....to help the guy "buy magnets". What he should have done before opening his big mouth is LOOK at the thing with his own eyes. He started to trumpet about it and so has all the egg on his face.
disgusted!
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I agree, giving his name and address would reflect badly on this forum.
The problem is not really Mylow, the problem is the eagerness to believe.
We all have dreams, even us skeptics despite what some of you might think, for a year I was bamboozled by Steorn, I would not say I actually believed their claim but I was that side of the fence.
Youtube videos and words should not be accepted as proof in any way, this is why third party validation that some balk against so heavily is important, so that we don't keep getting dragged down the same old path time and time again.
Lets just accept this one as a learning experience.
On a side note, yes, Sterling should return the money and give TK the prize, it might be one way he can regain some credibility.
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So basically Mylow admitted it already in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44ytKdyDA3A
but he did not yet tell, that he used a fishing line for
the connection between the motor and the aludisk shaft.
Do you not understand sarcasm when you see it?
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@Stefan
Sorry but your are wrong to say this is ALL a fake. We have the first wheel and we have people that have attempted to subvert the main thread.
On example:
@lostcauses10x
Posts: 133 (2.078 per day)
Age: N/A
Date Registered: March 16, 2009, 04:49:01 PM
Last Active: May 19, 2009, 11:59:41 PM
Local Time: May 20, 2009, 01:55:12 AM
Wow in only two months days you posted 133 posts and you had registered here on March 16th, 2009. Busy guy hey. What was the rush in all your postings buddy.
Actually let's see one more:
@nyctuber
Posts: 404 (7.481 per day)
Age: N/A
Date Registered: March 27, 2009, 06:54:08 AM
Last Active:
Local Time: May 20, 2009, 02:00:00 AM
Wow again and a real busy guy comes here on March 27th 2009 and manages to post 404 f(*&?n times, almost all on these Mylow threads. To say what????????? F*&k all. Just junk, diversions, and pure crap.
These are some of the members that were allowed to be present in this disclosure thread. Very dangerous and very unprofessional people that were allowed to spew venim any time other members started asking questions about the wheel.
So @stefan, you as operator of this now defiled web site have a choice to make. Give yourself the one level of criteria we used when you banned @Humbugger for not even 10% of what many members here got away with on this thread. Subversion, intended or not I don't care.
We had the intitial opportunity with Mylow when he was showing his first wheel but we never got the real chance. We all knew Mylow was ready this thread but members were left free to massacre him in public,
Conslusion of all this is overnutiy.com is not the place for disclosures if it does not have a totally protect area and if only members that are known non-subverts to participate. If it does not happen here then I will make a place for disclosures to be done in total security from the likes of total jackasses. Once the disclosure is made, then it can me made and given to the public to comment at large. Once we have it in hand SOLID.
The real OU members could have done all this Mylow business, fake or not, without yelling out once and we would have probably gotten much more real information. But there was never a chance.
Shit. All I wanted to do was talk magnets, wheel, feel and all these guys did was kill the guy and piss him off to the point of either orchestrating the last stringies or was compelled to do so, or we are just being tricked again.
Funny how an overunity.com forum member can take so much pleasure in all this mahem. I am ashamed to be on this forum.
I will ask all members including the silent majority who agrees with me to send @stefan a PM, only one each, stating only one sentence "I WANT MY OVERUNITY.COM FORUM BACK".
Or if you do not agree with me, send him a PM stating "PLEASE BAN WATTSUP". Then whatever the majority will say, I will be ready to leave this forum for good. lol
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Do you not understand sarcasm when you see it?
Thanks HeairBear I was beginning to think it was just me.? No wait I know I know its just mylos clever use of obfuscation to throw us off the track.
@wattsup;
I will ask all members including the silent majority who agrees with me to send @stefan a PM, only one each, stating only one sentence "I WANT MY OVERUNITY.COM FORUM BACK".
Or if you do not agree with me, send him a PM stating "PLEASE BAN WATTSUP". Then whatever the majority will say, I will be ready to leave this forum for good. lol
I agree with you %100 its ridiculous how many times some people keep hammering Mylow saying the same thing over and over again. As I'v said many time it's getting old.
I know I have no juce here so I don't think I'll PM Steffan, I hope this helps
Pete
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I'll state it in public, please do NOT ban wattsup, why?, because you are entitled to your opinion just as others are, but certainly I believe your moderator status should be removed because once again you have shown bias, it is not the job of a moderator to to influence bias but to remain impartial, the job of a moderator is to moderate, if that means banning someone then so be it, but with clear warning sent to the offending user and a copy to the site owner.
I will ask all members including the silent majority who agrees with me to send @stefan a PM, only one each, stating only one sentence "I WANT MY OVERUNITY.COM FORUM BACK".
Or if you do not agree with me, send him a PM stating "PLEASE BAN WATTSUP". Then whatever the majority will say, I will be ready to leave this forum for good. lol
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Thanks for the unnecessary personal attack, wattsup.
As per your instructions to me about Mylow, you should put yourself on a short leash.
Btw I was right about Mylow at the time of my 'attacks.'
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First;
I want to thank all of the people who put in time
computer analysis of Mylow's videos...This was a very
impressive effort! I hate to say this but you were right!
I want to point out that;
a) Mylow apparently impeached himself several times
in e-mail communication starting with communications
with Paul-R, whom I believe.
In that 'Court' program on TV as soon as any
witness starts to impreach themselves the judge
recognizes this immediately and begins to rule against
them. Why didn't you begin to discredit Mylow
when he did this.
b)Mylow had problems with basic engineering
terminology as in how to do certain things
at first. This should have been a clue that
the guy was motivated in a way that technologist
people would not understand...Including, questions
of his basic sanity. I do recommend that Mylow
get a CAT Computerized Axial Tomographic
Brain Scan by the way. They may be surprised at
what they find.
c) I was extremely disappointed that he or (they)
implicated politicoes in any sort of scheme as
politicians already have an *Extremely* bad record
on energy understanding, planning and legislation.
Next
I do think that Sterling Allan does not get away unscathed.
I was impressed (disappointed) by the rather large number
of topic headings generated for Mylow's discovery even
though nothing had been proved.
Sterling has to take responsibility for creating
a circus atmosphere that "THAT HAS BEEN THE
HISTORY OF THIS FIELD."
Sterlign; "This stuff is about what nature does"
"THIS IS NOT ABOUT BELIEF - IT IS NOT RELIGION"
"Nature doesn't give a damn about what people think
or what they know! Take that T.B."
:S:MarkSCoffman
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Ban Wattsup? Of course not. He owes me a beer! If you ban him I'll never collect.
But I believe he is unnecessarily critical of those 2 posters he mentioned specifically, which is unfair IMHO, as these 2 individuals, while perhaps relatively new to this forum, bring valuable information and set an excellent example.
LC10x is an old hand at magnetism and magnet motors. Read his stuff carefully and think about it well and deeply before you write it off. I do.
Nyctuber evaluates evidence and makes up his mind based on what he sees. When he sees something different, he has no qualms about abandoning his previous position and changing his stance. Some might criticise him for this but I see it as a good example of how we need to be able to let our pet theories go if the evidence, even the LEAST evidence, contradicts it...as long as the data is good.
(But Watts, man--in the future if I say I "can" do something (as opposed to "I might be able to do it"), would you please just take my word for it? 8) )
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ROTFLMAO.
Hmm are you a moderator?? If you have a problem with my posts remove them, I don,t care about such. Oh and here is post you can add to my count ROTFLMAO.
Post count means nothing to me. (other part of post removed by me before posting, not worth the time.) It seems your desire to believe is what is driving you. It sure as hell is not facts.
Think before believing a video on the internet man.
@Stefan
Sorry but your are wrong to say this is ALL a fake. We have the first wheel and we have people that have attempted to subvert the main thread.
On example:
@lostcauses10x
Posts: 133 (2.078 per day)
Age: N/A
Date Registered: March 16, 2009, 04:49:01 PM
Last Active: May 19, 2009, 11:59:41 PM
Local Time: May 20, 2009, 01:55:12 AM
Wow in only two months days you posted 133 posts and you had registered here on March 16th, 2009. Busy guy hey. What was the rush in all your postings buddy.
Actually let's see one more:
@nyctuber
Posts: 404 (7.481 per day)
Age: N/A
Date Registered: March 27, 2009, 06:54:08 AM
Last Active:
Local Time: May 20, 2009, 02:00:00 AM
Wow again and a real busy guy comes here on March 27th 2009 and manages to post 404 f(*&?n times, almost all on these Mylow threads. To say what????????? F*&k all. Just junk, diversions, and pure crap.
These are some of the members that were allowed to be present in this disclosure thread. Very dangerous and very unprofessional people that were allowed to spew venim any time other members started asking questions about the wheel.
So @stefan, you as operator of this now defiled web site have a choice to make. Give yourself the one level of criteria we used when you banned @Humbugger for not even 10% of what many members here got away with on this thread. Subversion, intended or not I don't care.
We had the intitial opportunity with Mylow when he was showing his first wheel but we never got the real chance. We all knew Mylow was ready this thread but members were left free to massacre him in public,
Conslusion of all this is overnutiy.com is not the place for disclosures if it does not have a totally protect area and if only members that are known non-subverts to participate. If it does not happen here then I will make a place for disclosures to be done in total security from the likes of total jackasses. Once the disclosure is made, then it can me made and given to the public to comment at large. Once we have it in hand SOLID.
The real OU members could have done all this Mylow business, fake or not, without yelling out once and we would have probably gotten much more real information. But there was never a chance.
Shit. All I wanted to do was talk magnets, wheel, feel and all these guys did was kill the guy and piss him off to the point of either orchestrating the last stringies or was compelled to do so, or we are just being tricked again.
Funny how an overunity.com forum member can take so much pleasure in all this mahem. I am ashamed to be on this forum.
I will ask all members including the silent majority who agrees with me to send @stefan a PM, only one each, stating only one sentence "I WANT MY OVERUNITY.COM FORUM BACK".
Or if you do not agree with me, send him a PM stating "PLEASE BAN WATTSUP". Then whatever the majority will say, I will be ready to leave this forum for good. lol
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There are those whose brain's are wired so that they are incapable of feeling genuine empathy and compassion. They make great politicians, CEO's of large corporations, and hit men. They'll destroy anyone or anything to get what they want. Yet, there are those with such a condition that are intelligent enough, wise enough to realize that the best way for a society to thrive is to show kindness and honesty to others like they would like it shown to them. Then, there are the "Mylows", the hit men, who have no clue to the far reaching ramifications of their hurtful and selfish actions.
Mylow is likely not done with his charade yet. He and his likewise sociopathic twin are having too much fun shitting on others natural desire to trust and see the best in our fellow man -- senses which they do not have, and will play the "victim" card for all it's worth: They and their families were threatened by the men in black and forced at "gun point" to do what they did to hide the real validity of their machine....blah...blah...blah
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Ban Wattsup,
No. folks that want to believe are the ones that finance such ideas of the fringe in that such might make applicable applications.
To be honest it was these folks that got me into a great deal of this stuff to begin with.
LOL I have save two a great deal of money by being able to tell them what is really going on over what the person was saying was going on. I became useful to some of the folks that want to believe.
Yet if it were not for the desire to believe in strange ideas and things we would still be stuck some were in the dark ages of religion over science.
Because some one shows or claims things are going on, does not mean they understand what they are observing.
It is easy to believe. It seems more difficult to look and observe to find out the why or how of such claims.
Regrettably this whole FE system is a ripe group to pluck for scammers and showmen: magicians if you so please.
The world need believers and folks that want to believe.
Those folks need the folks, that will look and see then tell.
The balance of the two work well.
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I was debating to post here or not, but, why not.
First, I was singled out and mentioned by Mylow in one of his videos .
I don't think that was justified. I never made "personal attack" on him.
I did say the claims were ridiculous and BS. I never once mentioned his physical appearance, mental capabilities, etc. Nothing personal,no obscenities, I just don't like getting BS'd. So I said something about.
Something smelled bad here from the get go. Sterling exhibited too much enthusiasm. And the background stories and excuses for no demo were totally off the wall.
On the other hand, my skepticism led to me getting almost banned.
Simply because I felt that ridiculous statements and absurd claims deserved just as ridiculous treatment. Within 24 hours of the first vid, I had a 15.5 in 6061 T6 aluminum disk decked out with rotor magnets and had tried multiple stator setups. The moderator , however kept inferring that my attitude interfered with replicators. Moderator was assuming.I actually tried the underneath stator thing before Clanzer posted his video. I knew it didn't work. Nothing worked.
There was obvious bias in the moderation efforts. I will chalk that up to youth.
I am still not totally sure what the motivation was here, Bedini getting involved, missing HJ property that some may be competeing to get control of, revenge against OU, for some yet unknown reason, some quick cash ??? Could be a combo of any of the above or something new completely from left field.
But as I said in one of my posts, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, odds are It's a duck.
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Oh, and I don't have a high post count.
Perhaps Stephan can look into his logs though, maybe check where I 've been on this forum, what I've read here. Many many hours I consider to be a part of research. The forum is valuable, I am glad I found it. I accept the good with the bad.
I bet I've covered over several thousands messages and every post on topics that interest me like magnets, SEC, Jouls Thief, gravity etc.
I absorb a lot from here and read every single post on previous scammers like Perendev, Torbay, Archer.
Post count means nothing except that a low post count indicates a person not posting much, for whatever reason, maybe even because they think might not care what they have to say because they have a low post count.
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Do you not understand sarcasm when you see it?
Not sarcasm, cynicism is what it was.
Folks look for a reason people do such. why would Mylow do such??
What drives a magician?
Such is nothing more than the aspect of being able to make folks believe one way when some thing else is realy going on.
A power thing among people. For some a way of survival.
If you look around the world of animals, and people this is not an unusual thing.
The guy or gal in a bar dressed and acting in the other , any one in show business etc. It is all the same thing. Those that are good at such find pleasure in the deception and camouflage of the acts, and what others think is going on.
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Am I the only one wondering how "Mylow" thought this thing was going to end?
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Am I the only one wondering how "Mylow" thought this thing was going to end?
I doubt he thought this through completely for if he had he may have refrained from doing it in the first place.
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Well lets see what good came from it.
Magnet and metal sales where up. That helps the economy
It got a few more people doing something that where sitting on the sidelines.
It also makes people work harder to try harder on their own projects to try to get theirs running.
And to top it all off Mylow got all the attention he could stand.
What more could we ask for? LOL
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Am I the only one wondering how "Mylow" thought this thing was going to end?
Hey, Mary, how's the IFPU? Have the Dublin lads saved the world from the tyranny of oil yet?
I think that the most plausible scenario that I have yet heard is that Mylow wanted to be Shiloh, and thot that he might get his hands on the HJ legacy if he fulfilled the HJ prophecy.
Another psychological symptom, if it is correct, and if you ask me.
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Hi All,
I was 3 days away and boy what did I miss.
After catching up with all the latest videos of the Mylow thread,
finally some people have seen the fishing lines in the Mylow Videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrw
Well, it is said, how we are scammed from "scammers" like
this José guy.
So how should we handle this kind of scams in the future ?
Should we now post full name and address details of José ( Mylow)
to scare other scammsters away ?
I think José needs to be punished in some way to have been
doing this scam to us.
Also as I have played in the past with Howard Johnson setups
and saw, that just magnets alone never will work, if you don´t have any iron
cores in it.
See my 90 degres iron core pieces advantage video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5mYm5nO5Fw
Well, I could also not understand how Sterling D. Allan could fall
so badly for this scam and also made a lot of money out of it...
I wonder, if he will pay back the money to all the people who
bought the plans...
So what are your thoughts of it and how should it be handled
now ?
Should we publish José´s real name and address ?
Regards, Stefan.
Stefan,
He trifled with peoples emotions, time and money. Publish his real name. I would expect the same to be done to me if I did what he did.
Butch LaFonte
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@RunningBare
Moderator does not mean zombie. This is an OU forum so I am not hear to accept continuous whatever and even the moderators motivation is obvioulsy pro overunity or I would not be here. Otherwise no one should be here for that matter. This was not a debate on if this is real or not. It was an attempt to get the fullest disclosure possible from Mylow without stirring up unneeded crap. Also, how do you moderate a pack of hyenas that are feasting on a carcass, the pages fly by so fast, the posts are like a machine gun fire. I had no power to ban members myself from the thread (@stefan was also absent sometimes) otherwise this would have been done on day one if I applied the @Humbugger Litmus Test, when I started the moderator thing. So, if you were moderator, what would you have done?
@nyctuber
404 posts in less then 60 days. That in itself is not normal. Not on this forum. But in your case all while the Mylow thread was started, most all on the Mylow thread. WHY?????????????. I anyone has the stomach for it, go and check the posts.
@TK
Open your eyes man. We are being hood winked. I had cleaned the thread up to page 135 to give all members the benefit of the doubt regarding overzealousness. So start at page 135 then tell me if we had a fighting chance.
AND..........
Please leave Sterling alone will y'a about this prize thing. I think there is enough to digest right now without you rubbing it in. That money was for a working replication. In any case, I am the one that pushed and delineated for the string trial and like I said, it only means his last wheel could have been tricked. There is a great element of trust that has been lost here and all "proof" would have to be examined and not taken at face value. Unless of course people are bent on "believing" anything they want. ha ha. Works both ways.
Actually your long string trial was great but you did have a spool on the motor shaft which kept the string in place and aligned GIVING YOU AN UNTOLD ADVANTAGE. I knew this but did not make a fuss, but if you want to get picky about it, in Mylows case, we would need a close up shot of the motor on the couch to see if there is only a shaft or shaft with spindle, but I think I saw a straight shaft on Mylows couch motor. If there was no spindle on Mylows that would make the whole idea of a string that much more difficult, especially if that motor is held back by a pillow and if that shaft leaned towards the wheel a few degrees and especially when some say he let the string loose, how could that string still stay around the motor shaft????????????? So technically, we do not have a true replication of how he could have faked it. But guys here are very eager again to have us believe this. WHY??????????
What I was trying to point out in some 1000 pages back, by all my questions, which have not been answered and which some here are very eager for us to forget about, (Mind reflection: hmmm - I wonder why), is that Mylows magnetic message had to be white washed. Why the hell are some of these guys so happy. Happy for what. The fake gang won so let's have a Buddy Fake and his Fakerettes Parade. Wow.
I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, THE REAL OUERS HERE WOULD HAVE DONE ALL THIS MYLOW THING, FROM DAY ONE WITHOUT YELLING ONCE IF IT WAS DONE UNDER A MORE PROTECTED ENVIRONMENT. YOU GUYS DID THIS WITH MINCE MEAT AND DEMOLITION PRECISION. CONGRATULATIONS, BUT IT AIN'T OVER, CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK ONE STEP. Ahhhhhh, not again.
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Boy, looks wattsup is intent on making me the sacrificial lamb.
Why so may posts on the Mylow thread? The question answers itself.
I don't need or deserve this abuse. Please stop it.
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Choose not to be a moderator, the rules and responsibility governing moderators are too restrictive, if you follow those rules and responsibility that is.
Yeah sure, we are human and can be biased, but there has to be a limit self imposed on that bias if you wish to moderate fairly, your latest post have shown you cannot control that bias, if they are flaming ban them, if they lie ban them, but if they are just speaking a truth, well you get the picture.
So far(and I have not seen what you have deleted) I've only seen folk who have stated a truth on this whole affair, you defend Sterling who attacks Overunity.com with legal threats, this in itself makes you unfit to moderate this site.
I will never be one to ask for your banning, but I will remain one that asks that you step down as moderator.
@RunningBare
Moderator does not mean zombie. This is an OU forum so I am not hear to accept continuous whatever and even the moderators motivation is obvioulsy pro overunity or I would not be here. Otherwise no one should be here for that matter. This was not a debate on if this is real or not. It was an attempt to get the fullest disclosure possible from Mylow without stirring up unneeded crap. Also, how do you moderate a pack of hyenas that are feasting on a carcass, the pages fly by so fast, the posts are like a machine gun fire. I had no power to ban members myself from the thread (@stefan was also absent sometimes) otherwise this would have been done on day one if I applied the @Humbugger Litmus Test, when I started the moderator thing. So, if you were moderator, what would you have done?
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"I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, THE REAL OUERS HERE WOULD HAVE DONE ALL THIS MYLOW THING, FROM DAY ONE WITHOUT YELLING ONCE IF IT WAS DONE UNDER A MORE PROTECTED ENVIRONMENT. YOU GUYS DID THIS WITH MINCE MEAT AND DEMOLITION PRECISION. CONGRATULATIONS, BUT IT AIN'T OVER, CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK ONE STEP. Ahhhhhh, not again."
OU is not a game of blind belief. If you think it is you should get the hell out of it.
In this case I can see your ideas of trying to get the information out of the person making the claims. Created were credit is due.
YET: the whole story line from the start had holes in it.
No mater how much I would have like to been wrong about this one, simply put with the given parameters of the claim there was no way this would work on its own.
Folks tried to do replications in hopes it was true. folks including you wanted to believe they were just missing some thing to make it true.
You are saying this is an OU form and such as the reality of claims should not be asked right from the start??? Do you really believe that???
Just the whole idea of claims of OU should be taken with a grain of salt until such claims can be verified.
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Grr.
Watts, to reply to your point about my fishing line reps: Mylow's motor has a shaft that's about the size of my thumb if not larger. No flanged drum or pulley is needed, just a little angle on the line running off the shaft so it doesn't work its way up and off. I am actually rather surprised at how well the line system tracks without taking special trouble. It's no problem for the system to work on that large motor shaft.
Also as I have shown the line does not have to be very taut, and this helps with the clutch effect--and remember that the wheel is quite heavy and will most likely be slipping the clutch during acceleration and deceleration.
IF mylow was sharp enough to include an adjustable idler wheel -- or a chair leg -- he could have varied the tension to make the clutch effect less or greater. I know this because I have done it. In addition I have shown how the line could run around a shallow corner without problem, and I know how to make it turn a steeper angle without hanging up as well. So with a few paper towel roll tubes some duct tape and some chairs, (and some strong magnifying glasses !!) I could run the line around 90 degree corners and up the stairs if I wanted to.
So please believe this and don't make me demonstrate it to make you believe. You are skeptical, and that's good, but about some of the wrong things sometimes.
The point about putting the line down and then picking it up again without it falling off is a good one, and with old monofilament that is stiff it probably would, but this new tech monofil line is sooo limp, it reminds me of...well, never mind what it reminds me of. Let's just say it is pretty limp. So if one kept the loose end relatively under control, like having a projection to loop it around or a sticky piece of double-stick tape to stick it on, there would be no danger of it slipping off the shaft while Mylow was handling the other end.
Again, I know this because I've tried it. It's not hard.
OK, that's all. Watts, the public vote so far, as far as I can see was only one vote against you. We almost all seem to want you. So for goodness sakes lighten up, man!
:P
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Question...
Say Mylow had an overunity device which operated at 200% efficiency
And he decided to use it's output to power itself.
It would then increase it's output (if tapped for output) exponentially, right?
Would this not be an extremely dangerous device?
Would this not make the idea of overunity dangerous?
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Well, mechanically it would reach a limit, friction increases with speed, so you have bearing friction and air friction, if it increased exponentially indefinitely then mechanically something is going to give, my bet is on the glued magnets shooting across the room.
Edit to add
If and I stress if someone does come up with a motor that can produce such results, then it's just a case of adding a braking/clutch system to stop it from increasing to dangerous speeds.
Question...
Say Mylow had an overunity device which operated at 200% efficiency
And he decided to use it's output to power itself.
It would then increase it's output (if tapped for output) exponentially, right?
Would this not be an extremely dangerous device?
Would this not make the idea of overunity dangerous?
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Well, mechanically it would reach a limit, friction increases with speed, so you have bearing friction and air friction, if it increased exponentially indefinitely then mechanically something is going to give, my bet is on the glued magnets shooting across the room.
I caught a 'desertphile' video rant, something about E=MC2 causing a self-powered device to become exponentially heavier and eventually sink to the center of the Earth. I know machines normally have physical limits as you point out, but it's an odd thought.
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@Stefan
Sorry but your are wrong to say this is ALL a fake. We have the first wheel and we have people that have attempted to subvert the main thread.
On example:
@lostcauses10x
Posts: 133 (2.078 per day)
Age: N/A
Date Registered: March 16, 2009, 04:49:01 PM
Last Active: May 19, 2009, 11:59:41 PM
Local Time: May 20, 2009, 01:55:12 AM
Wow in only two months days you posted 133 posts and you had registered here on March 16th, 2009. Busy guy hey. What was the rush in all your postings buddy.
Actually let's see one more:
@nyctuber
Posts: 404 (7.481 per day)
Age: N/A
Date Registered: March 27, 2009, 06:54:08 AM
Last Active:
Local Time: May 20, 2009, 02:00:00 AM
Wow again and a real busy guy comes here on March 27th 2009 and manages to post 404 f(*&?n times, almost all on these Mylow threads. To say what????????? F*&k all. Just junk, diversions, and pure crap.
These are some of the members that were allowed to be present in this disclosure thread. Very dangerous and very unprofessional people that were allowed to spew venim any time other members started asking questions about the wheel.
So @stefan, you as operator of this now defiled web site have a choice to make. Give yourself the one level of criteria we used when you banned @Humbugger for not even 10% of what many members here got away with on this thread. Subversion, intended or not I don't care.
We had the intitial opportunity with Mylow when he was showing his first wheel but we never got the real chance. We all knew Mylow was ready this thread but members were left free to massacre him in public,
Conslusion of all this is overnutiy.com is not the place for disclosures if it does not have a totally protect area and if only members that are known non-subverts to participate. If it does not happen here then I will make a place for disclosures to be done in total security from the likes of total jackasses. Once the disclosure is made, then it can me made and given to the public to comment at large. Once we have it in hand SOLID.
The real OU members could have done all this Mylow business, fake or not, without yelling out once and we would have probably gotten much more real information. But there was never a chance.
Shit. All I wanted to do was talk magnets, wheel, feel and all these guys did was kill the guy and piss him off to the point of either orchestrating the last stringies or was compelled to do so, or we are just being tricked again.
Funny how an overunity.com forum member can take so much pleasure in all this mahem. I am ashamed to be on this forum.
I will ask all members including the silent majority who agrees with me to send @stefan a PM, only one each, stating only one sentence "I WANT MY OVERUNITY.COM FORUM BACK".
Or if you do not agree with me, send him a PM stating "PLEASE BAN WATTSUP". Then whatever the majority will say, I will be ready to leave this forum for good. lol
Wattsup, you are the MAN. I was afraid to post the obvious, but now YOU have.
You are real. Actually real in a world of masks.
If I were a woman I´d propose to you.
O, wait, maybe you ARE a woman? Drinks? Pick you up around eight?
:D
Seriously, your post made my month.
AZ
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General Electric:
5$ per post
Exxon:
5.50$ per post
NSA:
3000-4000$ a month
At least someone is getting paid.
Where can I sign up as an online repressor?
Have excellent writing skills
Speak 7 languages
Will work for immunity
Can spot both opposition & co-workers online with 98% accuracy.
Idiots. You will lose, mark my words. Your masters will drop you like hot potatoes once TSHTF.
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It's a good thought experiment, but desertphile does tend to exaggerate just a little for his viewers, ok a lot.
Even if a device was built the size of a normal power station, it would still have to overcome friction, it would reach limits of friction long(that's extremely long) before light speed was achieved, consider aircraft traveling at high velocities, it's only air(and water molocules) passing over it's skin, but it's enough to heat the skin to incredibly high temperatures, I don't know what they use, but aircraft that travel faster than sound have a coating to stop the skin reaching melting point.
I caught a 'desertphile' video rant, something about E=MC2 causing a self-powered device to become exponentially heavier and eventually sink to the center of the Earth. I know machines normally have physical limits as you point out, but it's an odd thought.
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I guess what is happening here is exactly what the moguls want us to do
divide et impera :-\
Take care all
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STOP STERLING SELLING
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/index.html#Purchase
Watts up wake up
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STOP STERLING SELLING
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/index.html#Purchase
Watts up wake up
STOP FAT-LADY CROSS POSTING
See? I can do it too.
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I guess what is happening here is exactly what the moguls want us to do
divide et impera :-\
Take care all
What the moguls want is for you to get discouraged with OU, and for those interested to control that interest by concentrating those individuals in online forums so they can make them chase their tales instead of doing actual research.
Do not be fooled, you need to persist in your beliefs at all costs.
Reality is what you are being told on a daily basis.
A new dawn is coming, and the moguls will perish under their own creation.
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STOP STERLING
Are you some kind of mentally challenged person?
Dios mio
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What the moguls want is for you to get discouraged with OU, and for those interested to control that interest by concentrating those individuals in online forums so they can make them chase their tales instead of doing actual research.
I am not feeling particularly mogulish but what I would like to see is not discouragement but enthusiasm for the scientific method and all that it entails when faced with claims of anything.
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STOP FAT-LADY CROSS POSTING
LOL :)
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Thanks for the intelligent words. Manipulation is the name of the game. When going through all the postings in the mylow thread you can see who is here to help and who is here to derail. They are good at what they do, no? If you guys think mylow did this all for laughs or attention, I feel sorry for you..Destroy the self ego, and the cloud disappears.
@Tinselkoala, give me a freaken break..(pictures a vulture picking at the bones of mylows demise)..
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Thanks for the intelligent words. Manipulation is the name of the game. When going through all the postings in the mylow thread you can see who is here to help and who is here to derail. They are good at what they do, no? If you guys think mylow did this all for laughs or attention, I feel sorry for you..Destroy the self ego, and the cloud disappears.
@Tinselkoala, give me a freaken break..(pictures a vulture picking at the bones of mylows demise)..
How do you explain the fishing line, even in early videos. Care to guess at the total $ wasted on plans, magnets, and aluminum platters? I'd say at least 2 grand maybe more. Sometimes the enemy is the obvious one.
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You reay belive this crap??
General Electric:
5$ per post
Exxon:
5.50$ per post
NSA:
3000-4000$ a month
At least someone is getting paid.
Where can I sign up as an online repressor?
Have excellent writing skills
Speak 7 languages
Will work for immunity
Can spot both opposition & co-workers online with 98% accuracy.
Idiots. You will lose, mark my words. Your masters will drop you like hot potatoes once TSHTF.
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You reay belive this crap??
Ask your handler.
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well your ideas are realy far out there. Oh well.
Hey if you know how I can get payed to post : let folks know. I am sure a lot would like to be payed to do such, yet here again it will not happen, will it.
To believe such you would have had to been payed to post some were, correct!
Ask your handler.
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If my ideas are that far out there:
...why are my ports being scanned right now? (and some 1000+ other systems that are using this same IP address?)
Nice try bozos. I know you have a backdoor in XP.
Just in case I will call it a night, logout and continue with being logged in...
Far out indeed.
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Thanks for the intelligent words. Manipulation is the name of the game. When going through all the postings in the mylow thread you can see who is here to help and who is here to derail. They are good at what they do, no? If you guys think mylow did this all for laughs or attention, I feel sorry for you..Destroy the self ego, and the cloud disappears.
@Tinselkoala, give me a freaken break..(pictures a vulture picking at the bones of mylows demise)..
Ask yourself this: had the "derailers" been listened to and taken seriously a month ago, would we still be here talking about Mylow today? Would we have that video of him looking us right in the damn eyeballs and calling our names and LYING to us?
Damn right. Sometimes I would like to pick his eyeballs out of the socket with my gnarly yellowed beak and crap toxic vulture crap all over his bleached skeleton.
But that would be somewhat mean-spirited, wouldn't it? I mean, he did teach us so much about magnets.
Give me a break, and go watch his "instructional" vids again.
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Yes, I can see now, you use XP, a product provided by a corporation, yes that could be a serious threat.
Nice try bozos. I know you have a backdoor in XP.
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But that would be somewhat mean-spirited, wouldn't it? I mean, he did teach us so much about magnets.
Give me a break, and go watch his "instructional" vids again.
I don't know if anyone else noticed it, but EVERYTHING
Mylow said about magnets was a repeat of
something that someone else said.
IMHO he had no idea what he was talking about.
And did anyone else notice that in the 6 magnet
video, that Brother was also now an expert on magnets,
and previously knew nothing?
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Ask yourself this: had the "derailers" been listened to and taken seriously a month ago, would we still be here talking about Mylow today?
Perhaps that was the "derailers" plans. Now that mylow has been destroyed, lets befriend all the negative @#$%-talkers who were right all along..
Sometimes I would like to pick his eyeballs out of the socket with my gnarly yellowed beak and crap toxic vulture crap all over his bleached skeleton.
But that would be somewhat mean-spirited, wouldn't it? I mean, he did teach us so much about magnets.
What did he teach you about magnets, that wasn't already known?
Maybe save that anger for alsetalokin who tricked people to spending hundreds on a bs device which he knew full well never worked? ::)
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I don't know if anyone else noticed it, but EVERYTHING
Mylow said about magnets was a repeat of
something that someone else said.
IMHO he had no idea what he was talking about.
And did anyone else notice that in the 6 magnet
video, that Brother was also now an expert on magnets,
and previously knew nothing?
Sorry, I accidentally left out the "sarcasm" tags in my post that you quote.
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You forgot a bit "Which he also fully stated", remember?, you know the bit "This is not overunity", just thought I'd jog your memory.
btw, I also ignored Alsetalokins disclaimer, and while I did not enjoy being taken for a ride, I chose to ignore the disclaimer, so therefore ergo I am responsible.
Maybe save that anger for alsetalokin who tricked people to spending hundreds on a bs device which he knew full well never worked? ::)
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Sorry, I accidentally left out the "sarcasm" tags in my post that you quote.
I understood the sarcasm, I was agreeing and pointing
out that not only was Mylow's device a fake, but so
was he .. IMHO
(wouldn't want to slander anyone ) :o
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Stefan,
Listen to this. Under any other circumstance, I would be against revealing Mylow's true identity. But in this case you're obliged to expose Mylow. We're dealing with the devil here, people with no shame, no character, and no sense of dignity. These people are setting the stage for a new chapter. Expect a comeback that will leave anyone with a bit of common sense breathless. Below are some posts from Mylow-magmo yahoo group that will leave no doubt the show is not over. Again, you're obliged to expose Mylow even against the opinion of the majority here. Read those posts and let me know if you disagree with my assessment:
POST NO 1
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Sterling wrote:
"Absolutely.
Everything he's shown us most likely really works, but he put the fakery on to satisfy the MIB breathing down his neck with ominous threats."
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POST NO 2
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Subject: [mylow_magmo] Re: Fw: I still believe in Milow
"It seems like everything in the hoax videos that Mylow filmed seemed too deliberate, like lifting up the fishing line and placing it down and saying "I'll just put it down here", and video-taping the black string close up below the stator magnets in another video with his brother. Or the time he showed the battery and motor on the couch, only to admit and show those items in another video. I think he was forced to, or intentionally wanted people to find out it was a hoax.
-AEVector "
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POST NO 3
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"Stirling,
I was saddened like everyone else this morning when I read the news
about Milow. I don't know why he chose to perpetrate such an elaborate
hoax but I'm guessing he's scared. You may have hit it dead on with the
MIB coercion to mislead. In any event, call me crazy, but I still
believe the first version worked. For one thing, the cooling of the
stator is way to off the wall for a simple hoaxster. That effect alone
makes this seem less like a hoax and more like a genuine "Wow! Look at
that!".
I'm not trying to convince anyone. I just wanted to put in a good word
for Milow in what I'm sure is a really bad time for him. For all the
mis-steps in the end, at least he tried to do something for us all.
Dr Dennis McCabe"
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POST NO 4
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"Hi Sterling,
We had a walk in customer yesterday, he said Mylow is not faking, his friend has made it happen with some magnets, but with a different setup. No details were revealed.
Best Regards,
Felix Jiang
All Magnetics Inc.
PH: 714-632-1754
FX: 714-632-1757
www.allmagnetics.com
"
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Hey, Mr M. Are you surprised? See, they are getting even more sure that the fakes are fakes.
Pretty soon that fence is going to close around that herd, and the issue will be moooot.
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Desire and belief is a very strong thing. Look at them folks that strap on bombs and kill them selves, and of course others.
It will not mater what science or facts are shown: Mylow is now a persecuted person who had free energy, and folks will now always believe even if it is never replicated.
TK these folks will never not believe Mylow is and does not have a real working magnet motor. A vid with some good acting and a story line.
I wounder if some one started donation how much they could get?? LOL probably already being done.
A great story with the expected results it seems.
Hell it would be wonderful if it was real. If some one does get such please get it properly verified and a peer review of such. Mylow or any other magnet arraignment.
I have good reason and facts to believe it will not happen (Mylows case), yet I can hope!
I suspect that makes me just as crazy as a bunch of folks watching a story and a video with out any proof of reality: seeing and thinking it is real.
Hell how do these folks watch TV and or a movie with out thinking it is real???
Hey, Mr M. Are you surprised? See, they are getting even more sure that the fakes are fakes.
Pretty soon that fence is going to close around that herd, and the issue will be moooot.
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We had a walk in customer yesterday, he said Mylow is not faking, his friend has made it happen with some magnets, but with a different setup. No details were revealed.
How convenient! When has anyone ever revealed details, really? All of you who claim that self-running "toy" motors are readily available-- WHERE CAN I SEE ONE PLEASE? I'll pay anyone $10,000 cash on the spot for a self-starting and running magnetic motor of ANY type that has no source of power I can find when I take it apart other than permanent magnets. Any takers please?
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Mary mary mary
Give these people a chance, it's only been 300 years, you know how long these things take to develop , patience is a virtue.
How convenient! When has anyone ever revealed details, really? All of you who claim that self-running "toy" motors are readily available-- WHERE CAN I SEE ONE PLEASE? I'll pay anyone $10,000 cash on the spot for a self-starting and running magnetic motor of ANY type that has no source of power I can find when I take it apart other than permanent magnets. Any takers please?
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LOL you would do this if some one could produce it.
How convenient! When has anyone ever revealed details, really? All of you who claim that self-running "toy" motors are readily available-- WHERE CAN I SEE ONE PLEASE? I'll pay anyone $10,000 cash on the spot for a self-starting and running magnetic motor of ANY type that has no source of power I can find when I take it apart other than permanent magnets. Any takers please?
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How convenient! When has anyone ever revealed details, really? All of you who claim that self-running "toy" motors are readily available-- WHERE CAN I SEE ONE PLEASE? I'll pay anyone $10,000 cash on the spot for a self-starting and running magnetic motor of ANY type that has no source of power I can find when I take it apart other than permanent magnets. Any takers please?
Euros please. The Dollar will no longer be worth the paper it is printed on soon...
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@ stephan
nothing more to say..Sterling has covered all the bases
How can you argue with this logic?
http://pesn.com/2009/05/21/9501543_Mylow-fakery-forced/
Kind Regards Mark
I resigned from the NEC today
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Mary
Give this fellow a few days
your money is as good as gone!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyCZLPSRj08&feature=channel_page
Chet
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But, the train Bedini showed was no fake.
Lab test results by CTEC (Bearden's co) from '99.: http://www.filesavr.com/hjlabmemo1a
Note the mention of the addition of extra track, to facilitate testing. As shown in the video Bedini recently posted.
Test results show a net gain, and make no mention of cogging at the end of the gate, as seemed apparent in the the video.
That's odd.
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Put it this way. I have seen Sterling in a new light. And it's not good. I thought he was objective, well now I know otherwise. I shall not be taking him or his website seriously ever again! MIBs ... ROTFLMAO!!
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Denial by Mylow: not all were fake:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REL1IYXUs78
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Mylow is full of s@!t. If anyone is dumb enough to believe him, especially after he's been shown to have lied twice, needs to go back to living their lives in fairy land!! Full stop!!
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Denial by Mylow: not all were fake:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REL1IYXUs78
Looks like Mylow read my GUMCT post.
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Audio stops at 0:54 ?
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Audio stops at 0:54 ?
Obviously the NSA put the kibosh on it. What more proof do you need?
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But, the train Bedini showed was no fake.
Lab test results by CTEC (Bearden's co) from '99.: http://www.filesavr.com/hjlabmemo1a
Note the mention of the addition of extra track, to facilitate testing. As shown in the video Bedini recently posted.
Test results show a net gain, and make no mention of cogging at the end of the gate, as seemed apparent in the the video.
That's odd.
So, make the track circular and Bob's your uncle.
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So, make the track circular and Bob's your uncle.
Perhaps. Would be nice ho have HJ's full research data.
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Perhaps. Would be nice ho have HJ's full research data.
Don't let facts impede you. That is what the MiB want you to do.
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Don't let facts impede you. That is what the MiB want you to do.
Are you saying HJ's full research data has been disseminated? It hasn't as far as I know. Perhaps I misunderstand your comment.
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What did he teach you about magnets, that wasn't already known?
Actually, the Mylow experience showed me something
very important;
Historically people have stated;
That some particular magnetic motor design;
"It ran for a while but then discharged it's magnets
and it stopped running."
My brain always said; "But magnet motors don't run" and
magnets don't discharge!"
=> Mylow showed us that "Magnetic motor can work but
only when they have previous composition magnets"
and "That when magnetic motor does run they discharge
those magnets."
Plus I realize now that there is something I call
"Pseudo gain" allowing both, the rotor to loose
momentum, and the magnets to discharge
simultaneously which allows the motor to run
for a while dodging the sticky spot. But, requiring
magnets to be recharged or whatever in the long
run.
:S:MarkSCoffman
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So, make the track circular and Bob's your uncle.
The track can not be made circular in a closed
loop. As soon as you try the thing has a definite
integral and begins to emit EMF waves and then
requires a source of energy to make it go.
It is radio waves that stops it from going
from one point to next...Nature is no dummy.
:S:MarkSCoffman
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The track can not be made circular in a closed
loop. As soon as you try the thing has a definite
integral and begins to emit EMF waves and then
requires a source of energy to make it go.
It is radio waves that stops it from going
from one point to next...Nature is no dummy.
:S:MarkSCoffman
And you know this because you are one of the few people on Earth who has access to HJ's full research data and know all of the specifics of the train setup.
The train and the motor were two seperate things, anyway. Pictures of HJ's circular motor bear little resemblance to the train setup.
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So the MiB permits Mylow to make an audio confession that implicates them?, this is so funny and tragic, I do not know whether to laugh or cry.
If this is not the last nail in the coffin, then I would like to know what will be.
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Sterling, I'm really curious-- if the MIB's are so powerful, how come they aren't after hybrid cars, wind turbine generators, geothermal power, flexfuel and ethanol programs such as the one in Brazil, solar power, LENR/cold fusion research, and all the other technologies that avoid using petroleum, and, as opposed to magnetic motors, actually work!? Can you give me a reason why MIB's go after magnetic motors, none of which has EVER been shown to work but they leave all those working technologies.
PS: My standing offer (and I'm sure Eric's as well) of $10,000 cash on the spot for ANY working purely magnetic motor still stands. Where are all those working Bedini motors? All those working other magnetic motors that Bedini and the others claim to know about? There's no lack of willing and competent testers. There does seem to be a scarcity of self-running motors!
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But, the train Bedini showed was no fake.
Lab test results by CTEC (Bearden's co) from '99.: http://www.filesavr.com/hjlabmemo1a
Note the mention of the addition of extra track, to facilitate testing. As shown in the video Bedini recently posted.
Test results show a net gain, and make no mention of cogging at the end of the gate, as seemed apparent in the the video.
That's odd.
Also no mention of closing the loop and making it run forever on a circular track.
For an example of the test protocols in Bedini's laboratory, please see their recent video of their "mylow replication."
Odd? Not at all, just poor lab procedure and selective data recording. Happens all the time, more often in some labs than others.
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Also no mention of closing the loop and making it run forever on a circular track.
For an example of the test protocols in Bedini's laboratory, please see their recent video of their "mylow replication."
Odd? Not at all, just poor lab procedure and selective data recording. Happens all the time, more often in some labs than others.
It doesn't appear that closing the loop was part of the CTEC test. I know you know your stuff but I think it's a bit of a leap to say Bearden's test in 99 was poor procedure based on Bedini not being able to reproduce Mylow's (nonworking) magnet motor.
Had you see that report before?
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Ok, Bedini seems pretty level headed, but mentioning Bearden does not give any credibility to the whole thing IMHO, having read Bearden's history(I will add not in detail), he has shown his judgment cannot be trusted, this is of course is a personal opinion, I would not let him test my replications.
It doesn't appear that closing the loop was part of the CTEC test. I know you know your stuff but I think it's a bit of a leap to say Bearden's test in 99 was poor procedure based on Bedini not being able to reproduce Mylow's (nonworking) magnet motor.
Had you see that report before?
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It doesn't appear that closing the loop was part of the CTEC test. I know you know your stuff but I think it's a bit of a leap to say Bearden's test in 99 was poor procedure based on Bedini not being able to reproduce Mylow's (nonworking) magnet motor.
Had you see that report before?
Yes. (EDIT: The CTEC report, yes, I assume that's what's in your link but I cannot download from that site here.)
Bearden has personally communicated with several people I know. Let's just say that that report is somewhat exaggerated and does not properly describe what actually occurred--even according to Tom himself.
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Ok, Bedini seems pretty level headed, but mentioning Bearden does not give any credibility to the whole thing IMHO, having read Bearden's history(I will add not in detail), he has shown his judgment cannot be trusted, this is of course is a personal opinion, I would not let him test my replications.
I first saw Bearden a few years ago on youtube doing a lecture about scalar weapons. He seems a bit doom and gloom. But Energy From the Vacuum was at least interesting. He seems to be knowledgable but I'm not qualified to say.
Yes. (EDIT: The CTEC report, yes, I assume that's what's in your link but I cannot download from that site here.)
Bearden has personally communicated with several people I know. Let's just say that that report is somewhat exaggerated and does not properly describe what actually occurred--even according to Tom himself.
Interesting.
EDIT: god damn it what the hell can you download! (lol)
Try this: http://www.cheniere.org/references/HJLabMemo1a.doc
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for what it is worth Sterling has created a poll
Please vote honestly...and as we say in political elections in Australia...often (lol)
VOTE HERE: http://www.99polls.com/poll_66061
What's Your Take on Mylow and his Magnet Motor?
- Will soon be vindicated
- Sincere inventor scared by MIB
- Psychotic faker from the beginning
- Planted to discredit FE movement
- Don't know / none of the above
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Ok, Bedini seems pretty level headed,
Bedini claimed in one of his replies to Sterling that he (Bedini) has seen many magnetic motors self running and he implied that this is somehow a trivial issue. Well, I challenge him to provide one selfrunner for testing by a reliable entity such as Earthtech or Sandia. Has he ever done that? When? Where? I'll buy any such motor for $10,000 cash on the spot anywhere in the USA. Where do I get one, Mr. Bedini? Levelheaded? I think not.
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I first saw Bearden a few years ago on youtube doing a lecture about scalar weapons. He seems a bit doom and gloom. But Energy From the Vacuum was at least interesting. He seems to be knowledgable but I'm not qualified to say.
Interesting.
EDIT: god damn it what the hell can you download! (lol)
Try this: http://www.cheniere.org/references/HJLabMemo1a.doc
Yep, that's the one.
Like I said.
They show absolutely no calibration data, no error bars, no control experiments. That right there would be enough to get that paper rejected from even Journal of Scientific Exploration.
( I seem to have no trouble at all downloading , violence, propaganda, puerile mind numbing "news" and commentary, sports, even YouTube videos. I just cannot seem to get that site to give me anything. It is possible that it is blocked at a higher level like my ISP or further up. I can see the front page but cannot make it do anything. Yes, yes, strip down to my civvies, turn around and bend over, it still won't give me anything.
I do have one windblows machine that's absolutely naked and still has its IE graft, maybe Ill try that one, I can just toss it afterwards.)
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Bedini claimed in one of his replies to Sterling that he (Bedini) has seen many magnetic motors self running and he implied that this is somehow a trivial issue. Well, I challenge him to provide one selfrunner for testing by a reliable entity such as Earthtech or Sandia. Has he ever done that? When? Where? I'll buy any such motor for $10,000 cash on the spot anywhere in the USA. Where do I get one, Mr. Bedini? Levelheaded? I think not.
Hey Mary, slumming again I see. What's a girl like you doing in a nice place like this? Er...
I mean it's nice to see you here. Here's an example of what Bedini and crew think is a self-running magnet motor.
"It's very clearly working." (sic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOO7VpOwNEM&feature=channel
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Amazing!, I've got a flywheel I can attach several magnets to, heck that should save me on the utility bill.
Hey Mary, slumming again I see. What's a girl like you doing in a nice place like this? Er...
I mean it's nice to see you here. Here's an example of what Bedini and crew think is a self-running magnet motor.
"It's very clearly working." (sic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOO7VpOwNEM&feature=channel
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::)
@TK
Yeah, I saw that video. What Bedini and company didn't do was a spindown timing test. If they had, they would have recognized that the rotor slows down faster with the stator magnet in place than without. Can someone explain to me why they don't do that test before concluding that this obvious failure "works"? Talk and claims are cheap and easy-- delivering on them is another matter, as we learned from Mylow (and Sterling and now Bedini).
PS: RB, did you hear about the cute girl with really bad arthritis who went to see her doctor, and had a hip X-ray? He looked at it sadly and asked her, "What's a terrible joint like this doing in a pretty girl like you?"
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Yep, that's the one.
Like I said.
They show absolutely no calibration data, no error bars, no control experiments. That right there would be enough to get that paper rejected from even Journal of Scientific Exploration.
( I seem to have no trouble at all downloading , violence, propaganda, puerile mind numbing "news" and commentary, sports, even YouTube videos. I just cannot seem to get that site to give me anything. It is possible that it is blocked at a higher level like my ISP or further up. I can see the front page but cannot make it do anything. Yes, yes, strip down to my civvies, turn around and bend over, it still won't give me anything.
I do have one windblows machine that's absolutely naked and still has its IE graft, maybe Ill try that one, I can just toss it afterwards.)
Check this out
"Ok people, you were not patient but we have been. We have now reported all of
the Howard Johnson details in a new DVD that we just made. It shows it all. So
just stop all the complaints in this respect.
Most people's faith have been crushed by all this, but hopefully we can promote
faith in the real thing and also can promote scientific investigation.
Rick"
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1647
Let me guess.. someone stole the wheel, they dont have the full data, etc. For the low, low price of $49.95
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Check this out
"Ok people, you were not patient but we have been. We have now reported all of
the Howard Johnson details in a new DVD that we just made. It shows it all. So
just stop all the complaints in this respect.
Most people's faith have been crushed by all this, but hopefully we can promote
faith in the real thing and also can promote scientific investigation.
Rick"
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1647
Let me guess.. someone stole the wheel, they dont have the full data, etc. For the low, low price of $49.95
You're catching on ;)
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Check this out
"Ok people, you were not patient but we have been. We have now reported all of
the Howard Johnson details in a new DVD that we just made. It shows it all. So
just stop all the complaints in this respect.
Most people's faith have been crushed by all this, but hopefully we can promote
faith in the real thing and also can promote scientific investigation.
Rick"
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1647
Let me guess.. someone stole the wheel, they dont have the full data, etc. For the low, low price of $49.95
I don't know about the data or the wheel, but one thing I am very sure about: nobody will be able to use any of the information in the video to build a self-runner, unless they use John Bedini's definition of the term. And if they do that, Mylow has already shown us how.
So I recommend that you donate that 50 bucks to your local no-kill pet shelter. It will do much more to alleviate suffering in the world than if you toss it at those clowns, and you'll feel a lot better about yourself afterward.
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Ditto this, man did they swoop in fast to pick the carcass.
I don't know about the data or the wheel, but one thing I am very sure about: nobody will be able to use any of the information in the video to build a self-runner, unless they use John Bedini's definition of the term. And if they do that, Mylow has already shown us how.
So I recommend that you donate that 50 bucks to your local no-kill pet shelter. It will do much more to alleviate suffering in the world than if you toss it at those clowns, and you'll feel a lot better about yourself afterward.
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I don't know about the data or the wheel, but one thing I am very sure about: nobody will be able to use any of the information in the video to build a self-runner, unless they use John Bedini's definition of the term. And if they do that, Mylow has already shown us how.
So I recommend that you donate that 50 bucks to your local no-kill pet shelter. It will do much more to alleviate suffering in the world than if you toss it at those clowns, and you'll feel a lot better about yourself afterward.
In EFTV Bedini says something about having published the plans for a working free energy device in some booklet, which then disappeared, and someone built one/ demoed it at a conference but the 'batteries were stolen' at the conference. The guy supposedly disappears, but Bedini sees him years later well dressed and apparently wealthy, inferring he was 'paid off.'
My first thought was.. why don't you publsh the plans again, why does it matter if the booklets are gone. He launches into something about conspiracy against anyone who tries it.
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Actually, the Mylow experience showed me something
very important;
Historically people have stated;
That some particular magnetic motor design;
"It ran for a while but then discharged it's magnets
and it stopped running."
My brain always said; "But magnet motors don't run" and
magnets don't discharge!"
=> Mylow showed us that "Magnetic motor can work but
only when they have previous composition magnets"
and "That when magnetic motor does run they discharge
those magnets."
Plus I realize now that there is something I call
"Pseudo gain" allowing both, the rotor to loose
momentum, and the magnets to discharge
simultaneously which allows the motor to run
for a while dodging the sticky spot. But, requiring
magnets to be recharged or whatever in the long
run.
:S:MarkSCoffman
You are mistaking effect for cause.
If you can show me a motor that runs from the energy obtained from discharging its magnets, I'll show you a...
wait for it....
fishing line.
(insert favorite crazy smiley here)
Sorry, I couldn't resist. Carry on.
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In EFTV Bedini says something about having published the plans for a working free energy device in some booklet, which then disappeared, and someone built one/ demoed it at a conference but the 'batteries were stolen' at the conference. The guy supposedly disappears, but Bedini sees him years later well dressed and apparently wealthy, inferring he was 'paid off.'
My first thought was.. why don't you publsh the plans again, why does it matter if the booklets are gone. He launches into something about conspiracy against anyone who tries it.
My first thought was, "Why do free energy machines always need batteries to run?"
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My first thought was, "Why do free energy machines always need batteries to run?"
Well, you know, they switch back and forth using a flux capacitor, not to be confused with a monofilament capacitor, and...
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"Raises the volume"; AND THE BEAT GOES ON!
http://pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/
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Don't know about MiBs and conspiracies, but there really are a bunch of patents locked up under security clauses. Here's a link at the PTO describing the process:
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/0100_115.htm
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"Raises the volume"; AND THE BEAT GOES ON!
http://pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/
Snicker.
"Criteria to Claim "First Independent Replication of Mylow's All-Magnet Motor"
In order to lay claim to being the first, second, or third person or group to successfully replicate Mylow's all-magnet motor, the following criteria need to be met:
1. Shoot a video showing the rotor accelerating through the power of magnets alone."
TK: Done. Please note that it says nothing about the motor ACTUALLY accelerating through the power of magnets alone.
" 2. Post the video to YouTube or send it to me (Sterling) or to someone else with a YouTube account or other public video site to be posted. This will constitute the time stamp of public disclosure. If validated, this date will constitute the time the replication was successfully demonstrated."
TK: Done. In spades.
" 3. Have your motor validated by a qualified individual or group that is willing to make their certification made public (e.g. operates for at least one hour). [Needs to be accomplished within a week.]"
TK: Done. I even invited Sterling himself to come and see it. He'll have to sign an NDA, though.
" 4. There must be at least a 50% similarity to Mylow's design, either the Stonehenge version or the bar-magnet rotor version."
TK: Absolutely. Even the drive mechanisms, certainly. Mr. Hand and TriLene.
How have I not qualified FULLY AND COMPLETELY with these requirements?
I want my award. Or to be told in words even a Mormon bishop could understand, why I won't be getting it.
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Your claim is disqualified by condition #1. Let it go, you don't really need Sterling's money anyway do ya?
He's admitted you were right, in so many words.
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Dear James Randi
As you know, the "free energy" research community has at times been critical of you and your One Million Dollar Challenge, saying that your requirements are too stringent, the prize will never be awarded, you are biased against claims of paranormal or fringe science, et cetera.
I am writing this to inform you of a very interesting case that I am sure will entertain and enlighten you. It will also give you some (even more) ammunition when these attacks against you are coming.
It seems that Sterling Allan, the proprietor of the PESwiki web site, has recently made an offer of an award, for which I applied and am fully qualified to receive. However, it appears that, due to certain developments of a rather amusing nature, he intends to weasel on his clear obligation to award me this prize.
If you want to know more...let me know. Meanwhile, you could check out "Mylow" and "TinselKoala" on YouTube and PESWiki.
More later---
Sincerely,
Alek Talison
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Your claim is disqualified by condition #1. Let it go, you don't really need Sterling's money anyway do ya?
He's admitted you were right, in so many words.
No, it's not. I showed just what Mylow showed.
I don't need or want his money, it isn't rightfully his anyway.
If he's admitted that I'm right, I want the prize. A certificate for me and a donation for the animal shelter will be sufficient.
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No, it's not. I showed just what Mylow showed.
I don't need or want his money, it isn't rightfully his anyway.
If he's admitted that I'm right, I want the prize. A certificate for me and a donation for the animal shelter will be sufficient.
He admitted you were right about the wire, which to be honest was basically a joke video on your part which serendipitiously turned out to be reality.
To win the prize, you need to show a motor *actually* being powered by magnets alone. It's a stupid prize, this whole thing is stupid.
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No, to win the prize I need to do what the requirements say, which is to SHOW a motor accelerating by magnets alone.
How is this video not showing acceleration by magnets alone? Showing, remember. Showing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvpTXdWAd1M
(This motor really really works. The MiB threatened my bird's wife's life, and made me put the fishing lines in. The motor is really powering my entire house. Prove me wrong.)
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He admitted you were right about the wire, which to be honest was basically a joke video on your part which serendipitiously turned out to be reality.
To win the prize, you need to show a motor *actually* being powered by magnets alone. It's a stupid prize, this whole thing is stupid.
Sorry. I see a lot of responses. Not many are taking it as a joke and I'm glad, because I'm serious as a heart attack. I do not like it when people look me in the eyeballs and lie to me. No matter what.
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No, to win the prize I need to do what the requirements say, which is to SHOW a motor accelerating by magnets alone.
How is this video not showing acceleration by magnets alone? Showing, remember. Showing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvpTXdWAd1M
(This motor really really works. The MiB threatened my bird's wife's life, and made me put the fishing lines in. The motor is really powering my entire house. Prove me wrong.)
You didn't show a motor accelerating by magnets alone. Neither did Mylow, therefore the prize was unwinnable and moot from the outset. If the condition had been worded as 'through the same means of propulsion as Mylow,' you win.
Did he really say he cut his cat's whiskers off, and answer 'he told me to' when asked why? Mama mia.
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Snip...
I do not like it when people look me in the eyeballs and lie to me. No matter what.
You'll love this one then
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ4Qk7Hnu1Q
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You'll love this one then
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ4Qk7Hnu1Q
Holy cow. Make the pain go away already.
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I'm going to have to go with TK on this although I know he's not going to get the prize, what do you expect from a man who is still selling plans to a fake mylow motor on his website.
But lets swap TK and Mylow's position, Sterling was clearly giving stuff to a dishonest man, so if TK who is an honest and open man(at least on the internet) SHOWS something that is powered by magnets alone, then should not Sterling give him something?
I had started to give Sterling the benefit of doubt after reading that email he sent to Mylow, but he still maintains the web page with plans to a fake mylow motor, the man has no honor.
You didn't show a motor accelerating by magnets alone. Neither did Mylow, therefore the prize was unwinnable and moot from the outset. If the condition had been worded as 'through the same means of propulsion as Mylow,' you win.
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I'm going to have to go with TK on this although I know he's not going to get the prize, what do you expect from a man who is still selling plans to a fake mylow motor on his website.
But lets swap TK and Mylow's position, Sterling was clearly giving stuff to a dishonest man, so if TK who is an honest and open man(at least on the internet) SHOWS something that is powered by magnets alone, then should not Sterling give him something?
I had started to give Sterling the benefit of doubt after reading that email he sent to Mylow, but he still maintains the web page with plans to a fake mylow motor, the man has no honor.
I was responding to the conditions being stated as 'powered by magnets,' in the forum. i havent seen the actual prize page and can't find it. Perhaps someone can provide a link. This is pretty silly, though.
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So I'll post publicly my challenge.
TK vs. MyLOW, live on stage, for one hour. He brings his magnet motor, I bring mine. And I will let anybody at all tell if the replication is accurate or not; it only needs to be 50 percent or more accurate, whatever that means; surely since I replicated nearly exactly every feature of his motor, including self starting, stator adjustment, videos of it running "impossibly" far away from any outside source of propulsion, I even showed repeated reversals in a single shot with no intervention of Mr. Hand at all.
I even reproduced the MINOR DETAIL that Mylow's motor doesn't run like he says it does.
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I was responding to the conditions being stated as 'powered by magnets,' in the forum. i havent seen the actual prize page and can't find it. Perhaps someone can provide a link. This is pretty silly, though.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/
Sillier than believing that the MiB forced him to put the fishing lines on a really working motor?
I don't think so.
Read down that page and you will see how Sterling is using Mylow's videos, in which he claims to have a working magnet motor, as advertisements for the sale of the plans. Bigger than Kansas. What is the implication? That Mylow's motor works and if you buy the plans, hurry up, because you will maybe win a priiiize if yours worrrrkss tooooooo........
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Hes got brass I'll give him that, but worse he pulls out a smaller motor which he says does not work yet, sheesh, I've seen some bare faces in my life, be hes got em beat by a long way.
You'll love this one then
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ4Qk7Hnu1Q
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http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/
Sillier than believing that the MiB forced him to put the fishing lines on a really working motor?
I don't think so.
"1) Shoot a video showing the rotor accelerating through the power of magnets alone."
What is so hard to understand about this?
You didn't do it. Mylow didn't do it. The prize is a ZEN KOAN.
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"1) Shoot a video showing the rotor accelerating through the power of magnets alone."
What is so hard to understand about this?
You didn't do it. Mylow didn't do it. The prize is a ZEN KOAN.
Look at it this way. Suppose this video right here started at 4:00 rather than at the true beginning. And suppose further that nobody had heard of me until I posted that video as the replication entry. Or even better, before Mylow's first video. What would YOU, nyctuber, think then?
The prize is mine, whether I get it or not, and you might not agree but some others do, and I can make a strong case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvpTXdWAd1M
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I wonder if we will see those plans pulled by tomorrow.
I can already see the sympathetic ones running to Mylows aid, I did spell sym pathetic right yes?
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Look at it this way. Suppose this video right here started at 4:00 rather than at the true beginning. And suppose further that nobody had heard of me until I posted that video as the replication entry. Or even better, before Mylow's first video. What would YOU, nyctuber, think then?
The prize is mine, whether I get it or not, and you might not agree but some others do, and I can make a strong case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvpTXdWAd1M
No Water, No Moon
When the nun Chiyono studied Zen under Bukko of Engaku she was unable to attain the fruits of meditation for a long time.
At last one moonlit night she was carrying water in an old pail bound with bamboo. The bamboo broke and the bottom fell out of the pail, and at that moment Chiyono was set free!
In commemoration, she wrote a poem:
In this way and that I tried to save the old pail
Since the bamboo strip was weakening and about
to break
Until at last the bottom fell out.
No more water in the pail!
No more moon in the water!
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he is back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ4Qk7Hnu1Q
with a new motor as well
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Well, theres at least one bright side to all this...I can stop frikking straining my eyes trying to enhance the mono filament lines I can see in VIDEO#6!!, yeah I can see them, but I knew there was no chance they would convince a lot of others.
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The show must go on...... and on....
ROTFLMAO.
he is back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ4Qk7Hnu1Q
with a new motor as well
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Well, theres at least one bright side to all this...I can stop frikking straining my eyes trying to enhance the mono filament lines I can see in VIDEO#6!!, yeah I can see them, but I knew there was no chance they would convince a lot of others.
The fishing line is there, all the way back to the earliest videos, before he began the 'MIB' lie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE
I posted it over there, hoperfully people caught it. Fishing line makes it's first appearance at 3:56.
It helps to have watched the hi-res videos first to train your eye. This guy is a sicko, and Sterling needs to make a decision to stop selling anything related to Mylow or risk being an accomplice.
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I have no problem seeing them myself, and I did agree with you in an earlier post when you asked can no one else see these and referenced your monitor.
As I agreed, I did and do see them, but there was not enough there to convince those with the photoshop silly theories, they would have pulled all kinds of excuses like, oh it's just artifacts caused by the woods surface grain blah blah blah, anything other than see the truth they so claimed to desire.
The fishing line is there, all the way back to the earliest videos, before he began the 'MIB' lie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE
I posted it over there, hoperfully people caught it. Fishing line makes it's first appearance at 3:56.
It helps to have watched the hi-res videos first to train your eye. This guy is a sicko, and Sterling needs to make a decision to stop selling anything related to Mylow or risk being an accomplice.
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I was Angry at Mylow yesterday, now after his latest vid I feel sorry for him, God I must be a sucker :-\
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I do not, but I do feel for people like you, your not a sucker, nothing wrong with a good heart, the trick is keeping the heart under control.
I was Angry at Mylow yesterday, now after his latest vid I feel sorry for him, God I must be a sucker :-\
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I have no problem seeing them myself, and I did agree with you in an earlier post when you asked can no one else see these and referenced your monitor.
As I agreed, I did and do see them, but there was not enough there to convince those with the photoshop silly theories, they would have pulled all kinds of excuses like, oh it's just artifacts caused by the woods surface grain blah blah blah, anything other than see the truth they so claimed to desire.
Well, LRCan's videos are Mylow's original videos, as are the ones on Sterling's backup page, as are the ones I saved to harddrive. Unless Mylow photoshopped a string in HIMSELF, no one did. Not that it would be easy to do at all, or that there's any reason Mylow would want to do it. This is a PRE MIB video, it doesn't even fit in with his stupid lie. Photoshop is a non-issue.
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Sterling is puting another scam on his website
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Swiss_Ring_Magnet_Motor
yannicksonic is a very good scam artist ( but not so good as mylow)
see :
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7363.msg181490#msg181490
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Sterling is puting another scam on his website
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Swiss_Ring_Magnet_Motor
yannicksonic is a very good scam artist ( but not so good as mylow)
see :
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7363.msg181490#msg181490
WOW! Sterling fell for THAT????
Holy crap, I'm a novice and I understand everything about that scam.
Sterling actually devoted a PAGE to it. I guess he's learned absolutely nothing from Mylow.
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WOW! Sterling fell for THAT????
Holy crap, I'm a novice and I understand everything about that scam.
Sterling actually devoted a PAGE to it. I guess he's learned absolutely nothing from Mylow.
yes there is a lot of craps on his website
and he he is not learning from bad experiences
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I gotta say it, despite my disrespect for Sterling these days, I am surprised that he perpetually jumps out of the frying pan into the fire, at the very least I had credited him with more intelligence, but to fall for that old one, the good news guys, it does not take a whole lot of time to disprove it.
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I gotta say it, despite my disrespect for Sterling these days, I am surprised that he perpetually jumps out of the frying pan into the fire, at the very least I had credited him with more intelligence, but to fall for that old one, the good news guys, it does not take a whole lot of time to disprove it.
It shows me, an admitted novice, that Sterling knows absolutely nothing.
I've been at this a short time, but understand all of the principles involved in the scam. Sterling has devoted his life to it and is 100% clueless. That is really sad.
And another thing. The 'Swiss' guy is selling bogus plans on his website. Sterling created a looping gif which does not show the string, only rotation. He is actually helping this guy rip people off.
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I suspect our resident debunker TK will have a field day with this, more strings!
It shows me, an admitted novice, that Sterling knows absolutely nothing.
I've been at this a short time, but understand all of the principles involved in the scam. Sterling has devoted his life to it and is 100% clueless. That is really sad.
And another thing. The 'Swiss' guy is selling bogus plans on his website. Sterling created a looping gif which does not show the string, only rotation. He is actually helping this guy rip people off.
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@ Stefan:
I agree with most that you should not publish Mylow's infos. You should be proud of the work done here on your site by the folks that busted Mylow's scam/hoax. It is only in the open way you operate this forum that this was even possible. Threats of banning anyone that did not drink the Mylow/Sterling koolaid were everywhere but yet, they were allowed to express their opinions here.
Sterling critisized this site so often for doing what he should have done. had he allowed dissenting opinions he too might have discovered the hoax.
I agree 100% that Stefan, and the entire overunity gang are owed an apology from Sterling.
I would also hope that Sterling will return the money to those folks that ask for it.
TK qualifies 100% for the prize offered by Sterling. I can read words and know what they mean. Sterling may have "meant" something else but, sorry, that is not what his words said. He needs to pay up.
If he does not do this, and if he does not return or at least offer to return people's money, I would urge folks to complain to the FTC about this little incident of his. He can tell them all about crop circles and how the first motor might have worked, the MIB, etc. and let's see what they think about it. And gee, if he used the US mail to mail the plans and dvds, we are talking possible mail fraud as well. Not very nice penalties for that. (Look them up)
I still think we need T-shirts in the overunity store that say:
I was Mylowed on Overunity.com
The proceeds of which, or a percentage, can be added to the overunity prize. Stefan, you can make more money doing this than Sterling did by selling worthless plans.
Bill
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This forum needs poll options, but since it does not, I'll vote with words
SECONDED.
I still think we need T-shirts in the overunity store that say:
I was Mylowed on Overunity.com
The proceeds of which, or a percentage, can be added to the overunity prize. Stefan, you can make more money doing this than Sterling did by selling worthless plans.
Bill
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I suspect our resident debunker TK will have a field day with this, more strings!
The mind reels. (pun intended)
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I wonder if we will see those plans pulled by tomorrow.
I can already see the sympathetic ones running to Mylows aid, I did spell sym pathetic right yes?
They are still there as of this writing. So I sent him this:
"Sterling:
You show several videos on your site showing Mylow's motor running, and
associated with those videos you offer for sale Plan sets, some of which
have been endorsed by Mylow himself.
Here's the link if you are having trouble finding it.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/
The question that I have is this: Do these plans include detailed
instructions for the fishing line drive system that is clearly being used
to drive the Mylow motor in those associated videos? Because if they do
not, how can you represent them as complete and accurate plans? You simply
cannot. It is dishonest.
Let me recap: You are showing a motor that runs by a fraudulent method and
you are misrepresenting the plan sets as complete endorsed instructions
for a functioning magnet motor.
And you are taking in money. And you are offering an award for the first
replications of Mylow's device."
(snip)
I'll have to take a look at the latest bright and shiny spinny thing, haven't seen it yet.
Have to get ready for meatlife, will check back later.
Thanks for all the great music last night.
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As said, and once again...
Did Sterling D. Allan also met the guy from Perendev? ::)
Hehehe... oh my...
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Are attachments working?
Before he remembers and removes it: a screenshot from my black thread video comments:
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You have seriously got to be kidding me!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSU8_K4TAO4
Can he scrape the bottom of the barrel anymore, err ok, I'm betting he can.
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This is even better than I expected.
A reverse speech analysis that reverses the audio into SPANISH !
I am sorry if everyone respects Sterling, but, I cannot possibly believe that he is credible in any way. He is harming scientific investigation.
I am not sure of his motives,but, c'mon.
Knowing this, if anyone takes anything he endorses seriously, they are either lacking his backround info or just as off the wall as him.
MIB's
Crop Circles
Dr Doolitle
Reverse Speech
Remote Viewing
Little red flags for those who are not colorblind.
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You have seriously got to be kidding me!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSU8_K4TAO4
LMFAO!!!
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Respect has very little to do with it now, I really think Sterling is having a break down, the Free Energy Congress had better take a real close look at him before he ruins every thing.
I am sorry if everyone respects Sterling, but, I cannot possibly believe that he is credible in any way. He is harming scientific investigation.
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WOW! This has it all.
LMAO. Can the story get better??
You have seriously got to be kidding me!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSU8_K4TAO4
Can he scrape the bottom of the barrel anymore, err ok, I'm betting he can.
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Update notice, the youtube poster has stated they are NOT Sterling.
I have to apologize for jumping the gun.
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Holy cow Sterling listened to me.
Things are looking up. (or at least they're not getting at worse)
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1687
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Yes, but have you seen the DISPROVED link,
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Swiss_Ring_Magnet_Motor
oops, in my enthusiasm to gain the secrets of free energy I scrolled right passed it.
The page should be removed just as the Mylow fake motor plans page should be removed.
Holy cow Sterling listened to me.
Things are looking up. (or at least they're not getting at worse)
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1687
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A story about trust.
A man was visiting a sick friend in a psychiatric facility and after parking his car and walking to the entrance he was approached by a patient who was raking leaves on the grounds. The patient whispered over to the man and said, "please help me. I am being held here against my will and I need desperately for someone to get a message to my family so they know where I am and can get me out of here." The man brushes the patient aside and goes into the facility.
An hour or so later the man leaves the facility to go back to his parked car only to find he has a flat. Upon dismounting the wheel the lug nuts accidentally roll into a storm drain. While he stands there perplexed as to how he is going to get the wheel back on, the patient whom he saw earlier comes over and says," you can take one lug nut off each other wheel and that will allow you to get the spare on sufficiently to drive to a service station."
The man acknowledges the idea is brilliant and asks the patient who his relatives are so he can do what the patient asked him the first time. The patient gives him the information and the man gets in his car and starts to pull out of the parking spot when he is suddenly hit in the head with a large rock.
Stunned he turns his head around to see from where the rock came and sees the patient standing with another big rock in his hand. The patient holds the rock up shaking it and says, "Don't forget will you?"
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Yes, but have you seen the DISPROVED link,
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Swiss_Ring_Magnet_Motor
oops, in my enthusiasm to gain the secrets of free energy I scrolled right passed it.
The page should be removed just as the Mylow fake motor plans page should be removed.
I know what youre saying, but really the 'ring' page can serve as a warning to anyone thinking about falling for the scam, even if it makes Sterling seem dopey for considering it in the first place. I agree @ Mylow, remove everything but the fishing line info. The guy is the widest eyed idealist I've ever seen.
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You have seriously got to be kidding me!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSU8_K4TAO4
Can he scrape the bottom of the barrel anymore, err ok, I'm betting he can.
I am pissing myself laughing ...I just posted the italian translation. (Mormans want to take over the world)
this is really turning into some great fun
mark
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OK, can we finally stop flaming, don't thrash anything (it may be fake info but it can turn out to be inspiring - with an alarm of course) ...close this thread an go on? plz ::)
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@Aerney
The thread will die a natural death, so no need to shut it down. Anyway Mylow continues to post video's and makes claims so we will need to stay a little longer.
I have no dispute which his latest claim of a hand powered motor. I tried spinning a wheel myself and it worked.
Like any tv show you can turn of or change channels
Mark
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Just my personal opinion, I think it should remain as a reminder of how easily folk can be fooled, Mylow was not even very good at it.
It takes a very good memory to lie and keep the story consistant, Mylow failed on this score over and over, yet people still believed in him, more to the point some still do!
OK, can we finally stop flaming, don't thrash anything (it may be fake info but it can turn out to be inspiring - with an alarm of course) ...close this thread an go on? plz ::)
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Did anyone cache Mylows apology video?, it appears he has up and disappeared once again, quite a recurring theme.
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Did anyone cache Mylows apology video?, it appears he has up and disappeared once again, quite a recurring theme.
many people have watched it...he cant help himself. Like his new hand powered motor. these Mylow forums have died a natural death already. back to the workshop i guess
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Did anyone cache Mylows apology video?, it appears he has up and disappeared once again, quite a recurring theme.
You mean 'appology' (lol)
I'm sure Sterling or LRCan1 backed it up. I have it too but can't think of any reason to watch it again. The guy is really out of his mind.
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Oddly enough the spell checker does not pick it up, but heck, so long as it is not txtspk then I'm sure most folk understood.
Understood about the video, I was just curios about a section of it where he gives his reason for doing it.
You mean 'appology' (lol)
I'm sure Sterling or LRCan1 backed it up. I have it too but can't think of any reason to watch it again. The guy is really out of his mind.
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Oddly enough the spell checker does not pick it up, but heck, so long as it is not txtspk then I'm sure most folk understood.
Understood about the video, I was just curios about a section of it where he gives his reason for doing it.
Actually I might not have downloaded it. Thank God, it probably would have tried to clip the whiskers on my harddrive. The reason he gave was a boldfaced lie. He blames it all on being threatened and in danger. He claims that some of the original 'Pre MIB' (lie) videos were real. They aren't, you can see the fishing line in the first stonegenge video as it passes through a HOLE in the side of the stator mount. Mylow saw magnets that looked like HJ's rotors at the science store and couldn't handle the reality that it wouldn't work. He noticed a discrepancy between the stonehenge photo and HJ's patents, and it made him feel smart, maybe for the first time in his life. It's like a textbook case of psychosis.
'Appology' is how Mylow spelled it on the video.
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DOH, I've not been able to get any sleep so did not catch on.
Thanks for the info.
I exchange you some info.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1702
Here is a response I posted on the poll page.
If you insist, we can give you a refund. However, in the presentation of the plans for sale, we made it clear that all the information we were providing was available for free at our open source page: http://MylowPlans.com What you were paying for was the convenience of our compilation to make things more clear and concise. That is what you got. We did not assure you that the plans would result in a working device. We only said we hoped it would do that. We also clearly stated that no replications had yet been made using these plans. You were clearly informed of what you were getting, and you got what you paid for. I don't see the justification for a refund.
As for why we continue to post the plans for sale at http://MylowPlans.com we still hold out that there is enough of a possibility that this could be for real, that we want to assist those who want to give it a try. We clearly state at the top of the splash page that fish wire was discovered in some of the videos, so no one is going to be learning about that only after they've purchased the plans.
Sterling
'Appology' is how Mylow spelled it on the video.
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I exchange you some info.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1702
Lol poor Sterling Allan. Not his year.
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@ Sterling:
"I don't see the justification for a refund?" (Sterling Allen)
Gee, you sold plans for a WORKING MAGNET MOTOR that was later proved to be faked by the guys on overunity.com. Yes, the same guys you condemned for speaking against this "working" device.....those guys.
And now, the entire world knows it is faked, and you still are selling plans (or trying to) for a "WORKING MAGNETIC MOTOR" I don't see why anyone would have a problem with that. Perhaps you should look up the word "FRAUD" and read the definition sometime.
I hope folks sue the living crap out of you. They will prevail in court, trust me.
Bill
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From what I hear about stateside, suing appears to be a popular hobby.
I hope folks sue the living crap out of you. They will prevail in court, trust me.
Bill
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From what I hear about stateside, suing appears to be a popular hobby.
Yes, it is close to replacing baseball and football as our national pastime.
Bill
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Lol poor Sterling Allan. Not his year.
What about the false statement that he contacted someone in congress and confirmed a visit by the mib. He is not innocent here, he stretched the truth to get people to pay.
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Would that be someone in the Free Energy Congress?
I missed that bit, any names?
What about the false statement that he contacted someone in congress and confirmed a visit by the mib. He is not innocent here, he stretched the truth to get people to pay.
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Would that be someone in the Free Energy Congress?
I missed that bit, any names?
Sterling would not release any names and even went so far as to say if anyone contacted that office, they would deny it. He said, to the best of my memory and this can be checked, that he contacted a US congressman's secretary and she confirmed that the NSA paid a visit to Mylow in Chicago. This was just prior to the "visit" from VP Joe Biden.
Bill
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What about the false statement that he contacted someone in congress and confirmed a visit by the mib. He is not innocent here, he stretched the truth to get people to pay.
He wanted to believe. I've seen far worse people than Sterling Allan, and by all estimations he hasn't made a dime off this. It all went to magnets for Mylow and plane trips.
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@ Sterling:
"I don't see the justification for a refund?" (Sterling Allen)
Gee, you sold plans for a WORKING MAGNET MOTOR that was later proved to be faked by the guys on overunity.com. Yes, the same guys you condemned for speaking against this "working" device.....those guys.
And now, the entire world knows it is faked, and you still are selling plans (or trying to) for a "WORKING MAGNETIC MOTOR" I don't see why anyone would have a problem with that. Perhaps you should look up the word "FRAUD" and read the definition sometime.
I hope folks sue the living crap out of you. They will prevail in court, trust me.
Bill
hello Bill
sterling puts some links to a man who is selling plans of craps that does not work ...
so I think he wants to do the same thing ?
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He wanted to believe. I've seen far worse people than Sterling Allan, and by all estimations he hasn't made a dime off this. It all went to magnets for Mylow and plane trips.
I completely agree, he did trash his credibility for it, but people will soon forget, and maybe we are wrong and NSA did visit mylow.
now the conspiracy theory here on this one is that it worked but he had to cover it up so that MIB gets off his back.
so all you people with magnets and crazy glue.. keep shifting those magnets around. A tip for super/Crazy Glue. Weak shear strength first off, second you can dissolve it with acetone (nail polish remover). Also great for clean up if you pen explodes in your pocket.
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I completely agree, he did trash his credibility for it, but people will soon forget, and maybe we are wrong and NSA did visit mylow.
now the conspiracy theory here on this one is that it worked but he had to cover it up so that MIB gets off his back.
Just thought I'd highlight this here for you, you are obviously a person who prefers details.
@ Chase
@ all replicators
In the very first movie i wondered why Mylow always moved the rotor plate to
approach the stator ..
it seemed much more logical to move the stator support instead.
Just didn't make any sense ..
Neither did the two holes one in each stator support ..
but it didn't seem to important back then either.
Then he got caught with the fishing line .. and it became clear and
EASY to see why Mylow moved the rotor plate and NOT THE STATOR ..
SOME still seem to believe that maybe the first movies were true !
Consider:
In the fakes He moves the rotor plate so as to tighten the fishing line onto the
rotor spindle supplying enough traction pressure to cause the disk to slowly
accelerate .. Moving the stator support would NOT serve to tighten the fishing
line.
AND
in the VERY FIRST movie he ALSO starts the motor by moving the rotor plate ..
tightening the fishing line on the rotor spindle are we ? ?
To me that demonstrates that MYLOW never discovered anything - he has been lying
all the time.
His very first movies were faked the same way as the last ones the string is
just less obvious and apparent in those first ones.
he starts all the fakes spinning in exactly the same way ! !
The first movie stator supports have the two holes to pass the fishing line
under the
plate to run the rotor.
What Mylow has done to Sterling and to Howard Johnson's name in all of this is
just plain despicable hurtful and mean..
IMO he deserves all the bad KARMA that he gets as a result of his actions . .
Queue
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hello Bill
sterling puts some links to a man who is selling plans of craps that does not work ...
so I think he want to do the same thing ?
tagor:
To me, it is all in the wording. If he sold plans to a "possible" working device, that is different. If others sell plans to some device that "some claim" to work, that too is different. (to me anyway) When someone sells plans to "A working magnetic motor" that is another story.
My main beef with Sterling is exactly this. If he had only said..."Hey, we got this guy Mylow that shows a possible working motor that has not been independently verified yet, but I think it shows real promise as the videos are very convincing. Here are the plans. Let's see what happens with verification and replication."
If he had taken that, or a similar approach, I would have no problem at all. Maybe most folks would have bought them anyway....who knows? Now, we will never know.
Sticking up for Mylow, sending him magnets, flying out there to attempt to verify the device, these were all intended by Sterling to validate this device. These were good things. It is only the pretense that these plans were offered for sale that I have a complaint about. And no, I did not buy any so I am not out any money. I just believe that this type of behavior gives the OU/FE community yet another black mark.
This is my only beef with Sterling. Well, he also was very biased on his "reporting" of events and blasted us over here on Overunity.com. That would not bother me so much IF he did not stand to profit from the sales of these plans based upon his false and biased reporting. This is a conflict of interests plain and simple. I know it takes money to do what Sterling does and it has to come from somewhere and I have no problem with that. I used to think he did a lot of good in the Fe community. But now, I don't think so any more.
Bill
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I'd have to agree, I cannot help thinking of Sterling as a used car salesman, while I admit I already saw Peswiki as whacky for the most part, it still had some interesting things about it, but it's turned into a sideshow of snake oil, I know some of you here do not like that term, but please do not stone me yet, it is presently the only way I can see it.
This is my only beef with Sterling. Well, he also was very biased on his "reporting" of events and blasted us over here on Overunity.com. That would not bother me so much IF he did not stand to profit from the sales of these plans based upon his false and biased reporting. This is a conflict of interests plain and simple. I know it takes money to do what Sterling does and it has to come from somewhere and I have no problem with that. I used to think he did a lot of good in the Fe community. But now, I don't think so any more.
Bill
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Well, he also was very biased on his "reporting" of events and blasted us over here on Overunity.com. That would not bother me so much IF he did not stand to profit from the sales of these plans based upon his false and biased reporting. This is a conflict of interests plain and simple.
Bill
this is a big problem for him
daniel
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You know what would make that problem go away fairly quickly?
Sterling standing up and saying to the group(I use that term to encompass this forum, yahoo groups, all) that he was fooled from the beginning, then removing all materials containing anything to do with Mylow from peswiki, keep the open source stuff sure, but stop selling, I am sure he will have the backing and respect of the largest majority of the FE group if he does this.
Bill
this is a big problem for him
daniel
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I had assumed that people wanted this all to end and not draw anymore attention so that they can move forward with replication?
http://pesn.com/2009/04/06/9501538_Mylow_Magnet_Motor_not_fake/
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I had assumed that people wanted this all to end and not draw anymore attention so that they can move forward with replication?
http://pesn.com/2009/04/06/9501538_Mylow_Magnet_Motor_not_fake/ (http://pesn.com/2009/04/06/9501538_Mylow_Magnet_Motor_not_fake/)
RB:
Geeze, talk about beating a dead horse. What is Sterling thinking here?
Thanks for posting this. I have no idea what might be behind this but.....man.
Bill
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You know what would make that problem go away fairly quickly?
Sterling standing up and saying to the group(I use that term to encompass this forum, yahoo groups, all) that he was fooled from the beginning, then removing all materials containing anything to do with Mylow from peswiki, keep the open source stuff sure, but stop selling, I am sure he will have the backing and respect of the largest majority of the FE group if he does this.
RB
I agree with that
daniel
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You know what would make that problem go away fairly quickly?
Sterling standing up and saying to the group(I use that term to encompass this forum, yahoo groups, all) that he was fooled from the beginning, then removing all materials containing anything to do with Mylow from peswiki, keep the open source stuff sure, but stop selling, I am sure he will have the backing and respect of the largest majority of the FE group if he does this.
RB:
Evidently this is a big "IF".
Bill ***EDIT*** I added the bold to RB's word "if" above.
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In hindsight, it sure is a big if now.
RB:
Evidently this is a big "IF".
Bill ***EDIT*** I added the bold to RB's word "if" above.
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I had assumed that people wanted this all to end and not draw anymore attention so that they can move forward with replication?
http://pesn.com/2009/04/06/9501538_Mylow_Magnet_Motor_not_fake/
It should be noted the date of the above report..
someone just dug it up from the past.
Not that I am sticking up for Sterling.
But in the search for truth, accuracy matters
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No matter how much PROOF is provided that the whole fiasco was a TOTAL HOAX - with all points considered even a blind man would see - there are still many who will BELIEVE no matter.
So there will always be a market for nonsense!
I'm torn on the Sterling issue. He HAS provided alot of interesting information over the years.... but this latest turn has lead to a (crushing) dead end.
With that in mind, even given his absurd behavior of late, I'm willing to cut him some slack. (but he has shown he is a bit off the deep end at times: crop circles, MIB etc)
BUT, how many times, early on, was he told - you are out of your mind to fully support this with such zeal until VERIFIED.
We can only hope that this lesson will sink in for ALL.....
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As I just responded to another poster on another forum, I am aware of the date, it's in the url/link but it is still displayed on Peswiki.
It should be noted the date of the above report..
someone just dug it up from the past.
Not that I am sticking up for Sterling.
But in the search for truth, accuracy matters
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@ Sterling:
"I don't see the justification for a refund?" (Sterling Allen)
Gee, you sold plans for a WORKING MAGNET MOTOR that was later proved to be faked by the guys on overunity.com. Yes, the same guys you condemned for speaking against this "working" device.....those guys.
And now, the entire world knows it is faked, and you still are selling plans (or trying to) for a "WORKING MAGNETIC MOTOR" I don't see why anyone would have a problem with that. Perhaps you should look up the word "FRAUD" and read the definition sometime.
I hope folks sue the living crap out of you. They will prevail in court, trust me.
Bill
Still up on his site. The videos cited are proven frauds, and the plans DO NOT include details of the fishing-line drive. Therefore, lock and load--Sterling is selling plans, endorsed by Mylow, for a claimed working magnet motor. Here it is right in front of you, saved I hope for posterity forever.
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And just in case, FWIW, here's the result of running a weight, not even as heavy, as the magnets on his unbalanced disk, with a slightly loose drive line (stepper motor; a commutated motor's trace may be slightly different--in the direction of more pronounced sinusoid from the weight.)
EDIT: see those three spikes on each early runup? I figured out what those are: they are the knot on the black thread, as it goes through the red v-pulley. The rest of the time the line is a slight bit looser.
Once the rotor speeds up a little inertia smooths out the motion, and the knot isn't in contact with the pulley long enough for the signature to show.
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I completely agree, he did trash his credibility for it, but people will soon forget, and maybe we are wrong and NSA did visit mylow.
now the conspiracy theory here on this one is that it worked but he had to cover it up so that MIB gets off his back.
so all you people with magnets and crazy glue.. keep shifting those magnets around. A tip for super/Crazy Glue. Weak shear strength first off, second you can dissolve it with acetone (nail polish remover). Also great for clean up if you pen explodes in your pocket.
I tried your great trick to get ink out of my pocket. Now my shirt is CrazyGlued to my chest. Thanks a lot.
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I tried your great trick to get ink out of my pocket. Now my shirt is CrazyGlued to my chest. Thanks a lot.
I have to expose you as a fraud. If you used both CrazyGlue and Acetone on your shirt you would not be stuck together. You must of used fishing line to get your finger stuck to the shirt!
Correction to my previous post, use Acetone to Blot out Ink Stains with a paper towel, and if you use Nail Polish Remover, make sure it is the kind with Acetone.
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Mylow has certainly been an inspiration to many.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzC4TrPHkzg
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Well, Wattsup is threatening to lock the other threads dealing with this topic, so I hope there is still one where facts can be debated honestly.
In Vid # 6: First off, I can show, IF NECESSARY, that it is relatively easy to lift off the stator mount with the fising line running through the hole, to the extent that Mylow does in this vid, without disturbing the drive system.
Second, in the closeups leading up to 2:25 I think I can see the line in several places, and at just about 2:25 I think I see the knot in the line coming through the hole.
I'm working with the YT posts though. Is there anyone who has the original of this vid, to take a closer look?
I believe that shadow on the paper is when he moved the rotor base over slightly to tighten the line.
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A little more research from Sterling D.Allan could have proven,
that it was not Mylow meeting with Vice president Biden:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/seriousmaterials/3481225963/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/seriousmaterials/3481225835/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/seriousmaterials/3482033008/sizes/o/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/seriousmaterials/3481220781/sizes/o/
Definately not Mylow !
It is just a worker from this glas window factory from Chicago.
Regards, Stefan.
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A little more research from Sterling D.Allan could have proven,
that it was not Mylow meeting with Vice president Biden:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/seriousmaterials/3481225963/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/seriousmaterials/3481225835/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/seriousmaterials/3482033008/sizes/o/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/seriousmaterials/3481220781/sizes/o/
Definately not Mylow !
It is just a worker from this glas window factory from Chicago.
Regards, Stefan.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1739
Sterlings post on the congressman's confirmation of nsa involvement turns out to be a he said/she said.
Sterling never talked to the secretary
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TK and all: it will no longer mater what proof is given or shown. folks will believe as they did prior to proof and confession.
Sterling D.Allan duped himself with shoddy information. His desire to believe, and or sell plans, or both could be reasons.
I think TK said it best.
They will believe the fakes are fakes. (or in my words they believe the fakes are for deception). LOL
As for folks still going and trying to replicate it. Well it will be a good learning experiencing for them. On that we should encourage them. Of course I hope they are not true believers. Such will lead to great disappointment.
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A little more research from Sterling D.Allan could have proven,
that it was not Mylow meeting with Vice president Biden:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/seriousmaterials/3481225963/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/seriousmaterials/3481225963/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/seriousmaterials/3481225835/in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/seriousmaterials/3481225835/in/photostream/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/seriousmaterials/3482033008/sizes/o/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/seriousmaterials/3482033008/sizes/o/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/seriousmaterials/3481220781/sizes/o/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/seriousmaterials/3481220781/sizes/o/)
Definately not Mylow !
It is just a worker from this glas window factory from Chicago.
Regards, Stefan.
Great research Stefan. That was just another part of this story that was not credible to me. It didn't make any sense. IF there was an attempt at suppression or cover-up (which I believe there was not) you would not send someone as recognizable as the VP and also allow a photo-op. This would be terrible trade craft indeed.
I get the feeling that Sterling didn't want to research this story too hard as he was afraid of what he might find. The truth in this case was not a really good sales tool for him.
I am really proud of the work done by the overunity.com guys on busting this device. (devices?) They deserve all of the credit for it and they did the FE community a big favor by doing so.
Bill
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Well I for one don't believe the fakes are fake. TK and a few others have done an excellent job on exposing the truth. But before I can totally forget about the stone hedge model vid #6, I just want conclusive evidence. I've looked in great detail over and over again for a string, but I can't see it. I don't understand why mylow had to tighten the disk to get the slack out? The disk was spinning just fine. If anything I'm inclined to believe the disk was spun by hand.
The Nephew
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A little more research from Sterling D.Allan could have proven,
that it was not Mylow meeting with Vice president Biden:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/seriousmaterials/3481225963/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/seriousmaterials/3481225835/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/seriousmaterials/3482033008/sizes/o/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/seriousmaterials/3481220781/sizes/o/
Definately not Mylow !
It is just a worker from this glas window factory from Chicago.
Regards, Stefan.
Just a picture comparison tells everything.
See the attached picture:
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hartiberlin
What can one say in all of this.
You after the fact show how easy it is, yet such was questioned and believed as proof of claims.
It still comes down to the simple question of claims that go against the norm. How can such be properly verified.
It is the age old problem of shown what one may take, as this is happening; when some thing else entirely is really going on.
I have some strange Ideas I need to play with, yet of course such does not use just one force of implementing motion. To say they would work, LOL I am not that brave, yet such as all of this is fun , and some were I do have hopes some useful devices can come from such.
If folks only new how many times I have seen similar variations of stuff in the OU FE game, and of course so many variations of explanations of why, when of course it never does, ( A few that still have me confused, I still think about) that are out there. The desire to believe is a human thing that tends to out weigh the facts.
I for one, sure hope some one comes up with such as a device or devises that can free up the individual from them pay out for energy to the corporations.
For all I hope everyone will keep looking and work at such a goal.
I just ask folks to think a lot before jumping into believing what is claimed and shown.
I am one that is a bit of a paradox. I want to believe, yet have not see much to believe.
When I looked at what went on with this one I see the same thing I have done in the past.
1; Hope it is real
2: Desire and atempt to find out the information for replication.
3; anylise before building, wich has two questions for me. (Note on the Mylow this killed any possible replication from me. No way i could find it could have worked.)
3A: can I learn from such.
3B: what is the reason the claim given might work? Note if I can not see any reason it should work, or some thing to learn I do NOT replicate.
Folks believed, and sought out from the statements that should have said, WHAT A MINUIT SOME THING IS WRONG; and found excuses to continue to believe.
LOL they do not call us folks that dabble in this stuff cultist for no reason.
This fiasco shows just how much of a cult attitude is involved with this.
A man that could not even say what his magnet polarity were, all up or otherwise in his original video, going to NSA folks taking it away,etc.
He even confess to faked, and folks still want to believe. Proof of how it was faked has been shown, and folks still want to believe.
A cult mentality in the FE ou world. Oh yes such exists. It is very real and Mylow and Sterling D.Allan has proven this beyond any doubt. LOL the FE OU world should live by a simple rule. "Don't drink the kool aid."
A lot sure drank it in this one.
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Well I for one don't believe the fakes are fake. TK and a few others have done an excellent job on exposing the truth. But before I can totally forget about the stone hedge model vid #6, I just want conclusive evidence. I've looked in great detail over and over again for a string, but I can't see it. I don't understand why mylow had to tighten the disk to get the slack out? The disk was spinning just fine. If anything I'm inclined to believe the disk was spun by hand.
The Nephew
Even with HQ, the strings are hard to spot. That is by design - you are not supposed to see the strings.
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I can see the line, I think, in several places in that vid, even on the YT version. When he's showing the stator magnet up close you can see the hole in several places and I think I can see the line there, even once it looks like the knot might be passing.
Re hole in stator mount:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpsdbZwp-k4
BNow, consider the effect of those mysterious flats on the rotor mount near the top. If the fishing line ran over those flats, rather than lower down--what might that do to line slippage, acceleration profiles, hand manipulations--etc.
I think that this vid shows a combination of an attempted fishing line drive that didn't work so well, and the occasional visit with Mr. Hand.
A slipping line slips less so as the rotation speed of the rotor increases. The line might slip totally providing no thrust when the disk is slow or stopped, but if Mr. Hand gives it a push the line could take over.
(The more I know, the less I believe. And the less need there is to believe.)
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TK have you gone with a test on a multiple wrap on the drive spindle and driven spindle yet. Such is more forgiving on the tension of the line. Like a cats head system.
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Yep, sure have. The first version used a really thin shaft on the motor so I used two or more wraps there, and also on the driven mount. But here there's just one loop, no wraps, because that's the easiest to do and as you can see it works quite well. I even bumped the rotor pretty hard there when I took the wood up while running, and then I actually used the wood to re-tension the line so it would keep driving.
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One might wonder why Mylow changed stator mounts after the early videos.
Perhaps it's because it made it less likely that he would pull the line off the electric motor if it wasn't running through the stator mount itself, or perhaps it's because the line becomes more visible against a presswood background...
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Yep, sure have. The first version used a really thin shaft on the motor so I used two or more wraps there, and also on the driven mount. But here there's just one loop, no wraps, because that's the easiest to do and as you can see it works quite well. I even bumped the rotor pretty hard there when I took the wood up while running, and then I actually used the wood to re-tension the line so it would keep driving.
I like the vid. Shows folks such can be faked. But as I said in my comment to your vid, folks will still believe no mater what you show or say.
I don't see all of that a bad thing, yet in this case one can ask a simple question. If not fake how can it work?? I do not get a realistic answer to that question even from folks that still believe and intend to try a replication.
Oh well such is life, and maybe an observation of use, or difference; will still come out of such. I hope.
That question with these set ups should stop folks. yet it does not.
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hartiberlin
What can one say in all of this.
You after the fact show how easy it is, yet such was questioned and believed as proof of claims.
It still comes down to the simple question of claims that go against the norm. How can such be properly verified.
It is the age old problem of shown what one may take, as this is happening; when some thing else entirely is really going on.
I have some strange Ideas I need to play with, yet of course such does not use just one force of implementing motion. To say they would work, LOL I am not that brave, yet such as all of this is fun , and some were I do have hopes some useful devices can come from such.
If folks only new how many times I have seen similar variations of stuff in the OU FE game, and of course so many variations of explanations of why, when of course it never does, ( A few that still have me confused, I still think about) that are out there. The desire to believe is a human thing that tends to out weigh the facts.
I for one, sure hope some one comes up with such as a device or devises that can free up the individual from them pay out for energy to the corporations.
For all I hope everyone will keep looking and work at such a goal.
I just ask folks to think a lot before jumping into believing what is claimed and shown.
I am one that is a bit of a paradox. I want to believe, yet have not see much to believe.
When I looked at what went on with this one I see the same thing I have done in the past.
1; Hope it is real
2: Desire and atempt to find out the information for replication.
3; anylise before building, wich has two questions for me. (Note on the Mylow this killed any possible replication from me. No way i could find it could have worked.)
3A: can I learn from such.
3B: what is the reason the claim given might work? Note if I can not see any reason it should work, or some thing to learn I do NOT replicate.
Folks believed, and sought out from the statements that should have said, WHAT A MINUIT SOME THING IS WRONG; and found excuses to continue to believe.
LOL they do not call us folks that dabble in this stuff cultist for no reason.
This fiasco shows just how much of a cult attitude is involved with this.
A man that could not even say what his magnet polarity were, all up or otherwise in his original video, going to NSA folks taking it away,etc.
He even confess to faked, and folks still want to believe. Proof of how it was faked has been shown, and folks still want to believe.
A cult mentality in the FE ou world. Oh yes such exists. It is very real and Mylow and Sterling D.Allan has proven this beyond any doubt. LOL the FE OU world should live by a simple rule. "Don't drink the kool aid."
A lot sure drank it in this one.
To paraphrase Bill Clinton: I drank the Koolaid but I did not swallow.
I think that sums up my whole Mylow experience.
I wonder if Mylow and Tony are laughing at some of us now? They'll probably get an invitation to appear on Good Morning America.
Bill
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I've created my own very simple little poll, these are kinda fun.
http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
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Thank Runninggbare.
I voted (and I tested it so you can only vote once...would never do for a presidential election)
I can't post to mylow-group on yahoo but would be good if someone snuk it on there
Mark
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I never signed up for the group, I seriously doubt I would have survived past my first post.
Thank Runninggbare.
I voted (and I tested it so you can only vote once...would never do for a presidential election)
I can't post to mylow-group on yahoo but would be good if someone snuk it on there
Mark
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RB:
Good job on the poll. I voted. I agree someone should post this to that group over there. I do not belong either.
Bill PS At the time I voted it was 89% against.
***EDIT*** Hey RB. Maybe you should start a topic just for your poll. I believe more folks would see it that way.
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These kind of polls are something I do not take seriously, but they are good indicators of peoples feelings.
http://www.99polls.com/poll_66574
RB:
Good job on the poll. I voted. I agree someone should post this to that group over there. I do not belong either.
Bill PS At the time I voted it was 87% against.
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@TK
I am glad the observation of the Potential String (PS) in the Video 6 if entering the left bridge hole would have been directly aligned with the shaft flats came from you and not me since this would have been construed as another reason for an excuse.
So let's do it again. Let's analyze this one to hell and back and see what we get.
1) PS on shaft flats would mean there are two disadvantaged positions per full rotation for the PS to turn the shaft. One when the flat is perpendicular to the bridge hole and two when the flat is horizontal to the bridge hole. No I do not think there is an absolute need to replicate a PS over the flats. (Gee, did I saaaaaaaaay that?). I do however consider that such a condition would render the potentially for the PS to turn the wheel is a steady fashion to be very hard to accept. Especially if one would then consider that the stator to rotor relationship would have been an additional hindrance from mutual drag being exerted on the outer rim of the wheel meaning any exertion there would be felt in multiples near the shaft.
2) Again when Mylow lifted the stator bridge to show the stator close up, this would have extended the PS. I know you touched upon this as I had mentioned once before. But then again I am not convinced that the movement was that negligible. He lifted the bridge a good 2-3 feet from the rotor as can be seen in the first photo vid6-bridge1.jpg. This would equal a 6 foot extension of the PS being 3 feet one way and 3 feet the other way. Again, the advent of being able to tighten up all the foreseeable slack is not possible in my view and cannot be shown to have taken place during the video.
3) If in the event that he had managed to take up all the PS slack within the 4-5 seconds it took him to put the bridge back in place by 1:17, and this while holding the bridge in his left hand and the camera in his right hand explaining why the camera was erratic since he was concentrating on putting the bridge back in place and not on filming, there is the another inconsistency here. While the bridge was then placed back he made sure it was pushed to the right to keep the stator away from the rotors and to hold the wheel blocked. He was not ready to start the wheel yet and he knew the stator would make the rotors turn if it was not positioned where it was.
4) Now if there was a PS active and turning while he moved the bridge in item 2 on in item 3, the wheel should have been turning all this time and it was not so if there was a PS, it was not turning. If it was not turning, and if Mylow knew his wheel did not work, then why did he push the bride to the right to block the wheel? Either because he was worried it would turn on its own before the camera was ready or because he knew that when he turned on the motor, the PS would start the wheel before he could show some positioning of the stator activity.
5) At 1:28 I have grabbed a photo vid6-bridge2.jpg showing the bridge and the shaft. There is noting there in terms of a PS. not even when close ups are seen.
6) At 1:44 he brings his left hand to the left bridge for the first time to pull it away from the wheel and to bring the stator closer to the rotors. His left hand is on the bridge, his right hand is holding the camera so no chance to pass a string through the hole, lift up the wheel to loop the PS into place. This DID NOT HAPPEN. He just pulled on the bridge and positioned the stator.
7) At 2:22 the stator was at it's closest position to the rotor and we can see the rotors react to the stator. Again left hand on bridge and right hand with camera. Now PS can be manoeuvred as one would expect nor any slack taken up.
8) At 2:30 he moves the wheel so the rotors exit momentum is at the stator alignment and he JUST LET IT GO, no pushing, no nothing. The wheel stated to push through the first 3 set, then the next and by that time the wheel was up and turning AS I WOULD EXPECT IT TOO TURN LOOKING AT MY MANY EXPERIMENTS OF MY OWN WHEEL. Except that Mylwos kept on turning and turning. During this time, his left hand was free but his right hand still had the camera. So, it is impossible for him to keep filming from where he was shown in photo vid6-bridge3.jpg when he zoomed out showing the distance he actually was from the wheel at 3:18 while the wheel was still turning.
9) At 4.54 he stops the wheel by pushing the bridge to the right. This was the only time he came close enough to the wheel once it was started since all the closeups he did was with the camera zoom while he was standing a good few feet away. The way the wheel stopped again is exactly how one would expect it to stop with a magnet to magnet wheel and the built up momentum coming to a stop. No exaggerated dragging against the wheel indicating the wheel wanted to continue turning with the aid of a PS.
10) At 5:09 I grabbed this photo vid6-bridge4.jpg showing under wheel at the left bridge. There is no PS. Not even an inkling of one. I know you saw something but given all these facts of no way being able to have a PS on the wheel before the demo, the proper start up and acceleration, the fact that has was a few feet away from the wheel after start-up all point to only one conclusion in my mind. This is real.
OH, I did not continue to the end for the video since this first start-up is good enough to show if it should be fake or not, but in my book, THIS VIDEO IS REAL.
OK. The ball is in your court. Take it away @TK.
11) Last observation or better still quandary is why would Mylow send High Res videos to Sterling of videos of the bar magnet demos and not the first demos. If he wanted to show they were all fake, why not send all or at least one of each. I am thinking either he wanted Sterling to find the second ones fake or he was pressured to send the faked High Res ones by other forces beyond his control. The only thing that is protecting Mylow right now from any potential outer forces, call them what you will, is the fact that Mylow is now in the public eye. Trying to subvert second demos would have been the only option they had left if they were not able to remove Mylow because of all this attention and actually Sterlings involvement in publicizing all this may have helped Mylow's situation in that regard. So we may have to thank Sterling for building up the Mylow name. Sound not to appealing for some but only time will tell.
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I am sure all of this deconstruction is taking time away from your own replication which would settle the veracity of Mylow far more than this.
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I am sure all of this deconstruction is taking time away from your own replication which would settle the veracity of Mylow's claim far more than this.
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@Bobbotov
Just covering all the bases.
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It just seems that stirring muddy water will only make it murkier.
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Take a look at these 2 photos. I took them from the ones Watts posted above and blew them up a bit and off to the left side, I can see a second line (straight) running along just above where the dresser top meets the wall. It is either a perfectly straight scratch in the drywall or it is something else? This is located about 1/4" above the joint between the tabletop and the wall.
This is not a joke and no trickery (or to use Mylow's word: Fakery) is involved here. I simply hit the sharpen button 3 times and increased the contrast after blowing it up. The next shot is the negative of the same photo and together I'll bet you can see the line I am talking about.
Bill
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To be perfectly honest, I usually skip over the beginning of that video, but upon reviewing it, the wood grain does have long horizontal whitish sections. You make some good points, wattsup. It's tough when dealing with low resolution flash video. There's no doubt about the line in later videos, though.
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I added arrows....
Bill
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The theory that it runs through the hole has not been proven.
However, it is most likely still running on string power. What's this at 5:07 (and before/after)
EDIT: A less prominent line appears to the right as well, so perhaps it's an artifact of filming the disk itself
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Reflection of the base on the shaft? Or fishing line?
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@nyctuber
Don't think so. In your second photo pointing to the PS on the shaft, if the string made that line, it would have been fat enough to be seen by the naked eye otherwise it could not have made that type of shadow. The shaft at that perspective becomes, based on the camera angle, is reflective of objects that are behind and to the right side of Mylow.
Also, this can be noted to my point No. 3 and would equal a PS operation that was already activated and turning and the removing of the stator bridge had no bearing, but it did, because if the PS was coming from somewhere else and was still turning, then by removing the bridge the wheel should have turned on its own. This was shown by @TK when he reversed the direction of his test, meaning no manual push would have been required to start her up.
The other photos pointing to the back wall near the table edge is simply the image transition for both color extremes, one of the wall and one of the table, plus one unseen but affecting space between the wall and the back of the table.
So this again points to NO PS.
Guys, I would like for this question to be resolved to the best of our abilities because this is why some want us to forget about this whole thing. My tests show that a Mylow wheel is possible and that's by using neos. The putting of the magnets is not pardonable. If you are off by one or two, it won't turn.
I will put a better discussion of this in the builders thread.
OH, I also added this next photo showing a close up of the left bridge h ole from the inside as the wheel is turning at around 6:33 just to show the hole does not show any PS.
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I'm not sure i agre with you about the fatness of the string, it sort of looks like it could be a string and a shadow beneath it. I don't know.
This is good though, I hadnt watched the beginning of that video for a long time, maybe never. The wood grain definitely has long white horizontal streaks, somewhat of an unusual grain really.
Does the pain ever stop? Lol.
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Well, why should it stop if it is important to know and consider ALL the possibilities. Since this is the fake thread, let's add some logic to it.
Regarding the High Res Videos.
If anyone can please do me a favor. Grab a shot of the High Res showing the motor and battery on the couch from the High Res Video and show the same shot from the You Tube video at the same frame. I would be VERY CURIOUS to learn something in comparing these two shots.
Question:
Is it possible that even the bar magnet vids were real, but the High Res was doctored at some places and sent to Sterling to show they are fake, trying to discredit Mylow, pushing him to show a motor and a battery during one of his tyrades.
The question is Yes or No.
That would explain why when Mylow put the bridge STRAIGHT DOWNWARDS where the string that is shown should be. If the strings were drawn in to some of the frames, it was done after Mylow normally let that bridge go down the way it should Straight Down.
I really need a comparison of the motor on the couch and do not intent on signing anywhere for a torrent to get the High res copy. Besides, it's getting late.
Maybe the Finns can help.
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Well, why should it stop if it is important to know and consider ALL the possibilities. Since this is the fake thread, let's add some logic to it.
Regarding the High Res Videos.
If anyone can please do me a favor. Grab a shot of the High Res showing the motor and battery on the couch from the High Res Video and show the same shot from the You Tube video at the same frame. I would be VERY CURIOUS to learn something in comparing these two shots.
Question:
Is it possible that even the bar magnet vids were real, but the High Res was doctored at some places and sent to Sterling to show they are fake, trying to discredit Mylow, pushing him to show a motor and a battery during one of his tyrades.
The question is Yes or No.
That would explain why when Mylow put the bridge STRAIGHT DOWNWARDS where the string that is shown should be. If the strings were drawn in to some of the frames, it was done after Mylow normally let that bridge go down the way it should Straight Down.
I really need a comparison of the motor on the couch and do not intent on signing anywhere for a torrent to get the High res copy. Besides, it's getting late.
Maybe the Finns can help.
Here is the hi res of the couch shot. I'll see if I have the regular YouTube one.
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I think this is the same frame, maybe off by one.
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ellubpt:
Nice work in finding those.
Bill
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ellubpt:
Nice work in finding those.
Bill
I save everything, like a pack rat. Never know when when something might disappear. You should see my music folders.
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Hmmm...Wattsup has pointed out some places where Mylow might have moved the stator mount further than seems compatible with having the "PS" come through the hole and stay wrapped on a motor shaft. And I can't really see a string in the screenshots that people have posted (I still think I see it in certain places that I have mentioned, even moving).
But--here's another thing to add to the mix--when I was setting up for the last vid, I noticed that you don't really even need the motor. By cleverly manipulating the free loop with Mr. Hand I can make the rotor spin quite nicely.
And of course we can not rule out the assistance of a confederate--Tony is already implicated, despite his denials, by his participation in the obvious YinYang vid fakery, so he could easily have been off screen helping out.
Regardless of which of these clues and cues turn out to be correct, even if something different shows up, it is still impossible for Mylow's motor to have worked by the action of its magnets. Impossible. So any other explanation that IS possible is to be preferred.
To reuse an example: If someone told you that he could leap off the top of a tall building, float gently to the ground and land in front of you dressed only in a t-shirt and skivvies, without spilling his decaf latte, and then proceeded to do it---you'd be looking for wires too. Even though everybody knows Superman did it.
The point is, when someone shows you something that is clearly impossible and contradicts what is known, you have to keep looking for fakery until you find it, because it certainly is there.
It's that "contradicts" part that's the rub here. Two contradictory things cannot both be true. Mylow's motor isn't just hard to make or tricky or "new physics", it is flat out contradictory to a lot of consistent and well-behaved science. So it simply cannot be true. Look for the strings (or other fakery method), they are there somewhere even if you can't see them, because anything otherwise would be contradictory to what we know to be true.
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I am curious about the video where he pans around the room. Showing the bed and the computer. It looks like there could be something under the pillow on the bed and in this particular video the stator is on that side. However, I do not have a hi res copy and with limited tools, contrast, light,saturation and zoom effects...I cannot detect anything. In this particular video video, he enters the room with the camera in hand and never touches the motor.
I wonder he has spun prior to filming and it is spinning down?
A speed analysis could tell if it is slowing down. Anybody do one on that video? I believe he had "still running" in the title. Anyway, here is a screen shot to the left with the stereo on the table- no motor there.
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I agree. After seeing the motor on the couch I always wondered about that bed. Do we have any clear shots of the right side of the device in video 6? (The last one in "question") The photo blow-ups I posted were all of the left side as that was where he had the lines in the glass table video. Interesting you point out that the stator was on the right side in this video.....hmmm.......maybe he used the bed all the time and that gave him the idea later for the couch for the glass table video? They both are about the same height and they both have pillows.........good thinking here.
Bill
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Please do not forget that I have demonstrated that the Mylow drive can be easily routed around corners, etc.
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Here's the bed shot with pillows and shot of the motor running with the stator mounted to the right. I wish we had a timed rundown on this video.
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Please do not forget that I have demonstrated that the Mylow drive can be easily routed around corners, etc.
Maybe it was in the litterbox. LOL
I'm still thinking windown on this vid, as there is no interaction physically with the motor and he liberally pans the camera around the room as he did no previous video to this one.
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TK:
How could we ever forget that? Actually, I believed you have proved it possible for the motor to still be on the couch and have it run the rotor in the bedroom. Anything is possible. I wonder how many videos Tony was there for besides the ones we know about where we see him? Perhaps....all of them? Who knows.
Somehow, I get the feeling that we are still being Mylow'd.
Bill
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Of course we are. He couldn't even manage a single crocodile tear in the confession/apology vid, and he's closed that YT identity, yet again. I am very sure that he has another YT identity in the wings, and that we will soon be seeing another "running" motor from Mylow, under another name.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOKGFHWJqM0
And that's not even considering the "spinning top" possibility--where he just wraps a single line around the rotor base and pulllllllssssssss......
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Sterling D.Allan is still selling the Mylow plans...
Makes me go Hmmm....
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I suppose the point is that after looking at the wood grain in the early part of the video (which i'd usually skipped over), there is definitely doubt about it being fishing line at 3:56 etc. However, he had ample opportunity to push it by hand in this one. Who knows.
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"Two contradictory things cannot both be true. "
One of many key scientific principles that "believers" simply don't get.
They also don't get behavior. If Mylow had indeed made a PMM that worked, he would have quietly taken it to Sterling or Earthtech and shown it to them and made sure the plans and test results were so widely disseminated that no "black ops" or "MIB's" or the Devil himself could stop people knowing about it. None of Mylow's behavior or manner made any sense. Believers overlook that! Why begin with Youtube if you're afraid of some covert operation? Really now! Why waste all that time for a silly trip to HJ's grave *AND* refuse Sterling's friend an opportunity to see the motor at home immediately before AND after the trip? Is that how someone with a real motor would behave? Of course not!
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@maryyugo
There is no law that says inventors have to be rational. The actual fact that they are working on such irrational devices for such long periods of time mainly in a closed setting may speak for itself. Every inventor I have known has his own level of weirdness so it comes with the territory.
@TK
I know, I know and I know, again and again that it is hard to comprehend the impossible as being possible or it is easier to think of the impossible as always impossible. We each deal with this in our own way every day we are on this or other OU forums. We search for it and when we may see it, we just don't want to believe. And that is OK.
This is why I wanted to crack all the nuts on the table.
In my view Mylow did a clean demo of Video 6. He had one hand on the camera the other free to do some very limited manoeuvrings and the camera zooming in and out would have one thinking there is something to hide. But when you see the video for what it really is, you quickly understand there was no room for any fancy tricks. If you look at this with cold logic and analytical perspective, there was no room for tricks. No room for a hand to push. The progression of the rotors is exactly how one would expect them to advance if you simply released the wheel through the repulsion part of the rotor segment. No push was given and no second push was given either otherwise we would have noticed this is the sudden rotational increase, which did not happen. And it kept on turning and turning until he stopped it by sliding the bridge to the wheel edge. The actual short scrapping sound also shows how easy it was to stop it. It took about one second.
Actually Video 6 was very well done and showed lots of control for a guy that had to do all those things while talking to the viewers and holding that camera steady enough. The only time the camera went off was when he put back the bridge which is more then understandable given he had to really look at what he was doing to not mangle the rotors. After that the video held solid even when he started the wheel. You can see he had his left palm tight on the table when holding the bridge to slide it slowly to the right. You can even see the camera moving a bit when he gave those hand exertions to the right, the camera went to the left to counter the force and keep things steady.
So if anyone can find something concrete that spells Video 6 as being fake, besides the fact that "it has to be fake", I'm more then interested. Let's put in out there and analyze it. One way or the other is all right with me as long as it can hold its own. Faking is one thing but faking a rotation to look exactly as it should look like is much more impossible to do then make a rotating Mylow wheel. We saw this with the great rotational studies.
So in a way, Mylows fakes helped us see how to find a fake and in doing so, helped us realize what a real wheel would not do. That's a good thing. Hmmmm.
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@ Watts:
I have to say that I admire your tenacity.
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@wattsup
You seem not to understand that *any* video can be fake. There are ways to fake videos you can't even think of. That's why anyone claiming to have created a novel source of energy needs to open source it for replication. Mylow's was supposedly open sourced but apparently can not be replicated even though much time has gone by and several highly capable and diligent people tried. "Close" is no cigar. The type of "close behavior" seen (initial acceleration followed by cogging, reversing, and so on) is expected behavior of magnets, nothing at all unusual.
The other thing one does with a real novel source of energy is to reveal it to trusted people-- in this case supposedly Mylow trusted Sterling. Yet he never showed Sterling the actual device. The excuses for not doing it are not credible. Neither are the videos.
If you insist on believing what people tell you they did instead of requiring evidence, you will be bamboozled and flummoxed until long after all the cows have come home. That's exactly what happens to Sterling. "Again and again and again". And Youtube videos are never reliable. Interesting? Sure. Reliable evidence? NEVER!
This has nothing to do with "what's possible". Nor is there a need to be concerned about how a possible magnetic motor might work. There's no point is explaining how something works if it can't be shown to work yet I see this error made all the time. It's up to the inventor to demonstrate and document their invention in a way that can be replicated. It's up to them to get the device tested in a way that can't be faked or spoofed. Anything else is inviting deception. And, as in this case, deception is all you get!
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wattsup
Do you; when you see a magician pull a coin out of some ones ear: believe the coin was in the ear???
The logic games folks are playing remind me of a story.
A high class group of folks way in the past were arguing and trying to use logic to find out how many teeth a horse should and did have with out looking.
This went on for weeks. So one of the house slaves went out and looked, counted and told them.
Of course they killed the slave. The slave interrupted there fun of course. Facts be damned: it is the fun of arguing that is what keeps this stuff going.
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The problem is right here
I simply don't think it's worth taking the chance of missing a device that what
might be real.
So it is real until I prove to myself otherwise.
I agree it's not a bad attitude, look for yourself, but please do not go jumping off that cliff without a parachute!
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I simply don't think it's worth taking the chance of missing a device that what might be real. So it is real until I prove to myself otherwise.
I agree it's not a bad attitude
It's a wasteful, inefficient, time-consuming and silly attitude. Much better is "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" (Sagan) and the promoter is to provide the evidence.
I have no idea what you're worried about. When was the last time a great discovery was destroyed because nobody would believe it after it was properly demonstrated with adequate evidence? Name ONE in recent history. Even one that was delayed more than a few years because of such neglect.
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Mary, I do not believe for one moment a PMM will ever work, but you sound like someone who does not have fun, there are many ways for people to enjoy themselves, some play football(good exercise), some collect stamps(a hobby), and some learn(not all) by doing something they enjoy, time is only wasted if you pursue something that you do not enjoy and unworkable.
It's a wasteful, inefficient, time-consuming and silly attitude. Much better is "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary
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Lol.
Just stick to the facts of the case at hand. Any evidence? No. Just talk. All talk. Did you try and do a logical rendering of Video 6. No. Just talk. Did you bring up any strong points on why it is fake. No. Just talk.
Please don't give me these bad generalizations that you hope will pass as logic.
Here is some logic. If you can accept from a video that something is fake because you saw a string, how can you then not accept from a video that something is real if you did NOT see a string. Or is this a double standard in Mylows case.
Here is some other logic. If Mylow faked the first wheel with something other then a string, something so invisible, so unseen, so perfectly matched to the true movement of a turning magnet wheel, that he managed to fake his first wheel is such a first class way, then why did he not use the same technique with his second videos? Why stoop so low as to use a common battery, a common motor and a scrawny thin string. What lack of class. What primitive method. What an insult to our intelligence. Hmmmmmm.
And then, to top it off, this obvious super faker then sends those High Res videos to Sterling? Why?
Man oh man, someone surely does not know what they are doing.
Seems more like some dumb ass bureaucrat was calling the shots with their usual no brainer foresight saying, hey, they won,t notice a thing. It's a slam dunk.
Do you want me to keep on going?
Maybe these are questions no body "feels" like considering, but they are just as valid as any other question out there.
Like I said. When there is any chance of subversion, then this is Red Alert. Somebody wants to hide something and if you ask me it ain't Mylow.
Let's talk some more when you take your blinders off.
But up till now, this builder believes and so do many others.
The only one real question I would like to have answered is....
Why do all you naysayers stick around here? Obviously this is not your cup of tea, so why put yourselves through this whole exercise. Why not just go play with the kids, or go do someone a favor, or do whatever else like getting a life. You will obviously never work in an OU endeavor so why are you here. Now if you are working on something, then do like the rest of us and show us what it is. But I guess you won't. lol
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Why do all you naysayers stick around here? Obviously this is not your cup of tea, so why put yourselves through this whole exercise. Why not just go play with the kids, or go do someone a favor, or do whatever else like getting a life. You will obviously never work in an OU endeavor so why are you here. Now if you are working on something, then do like the rest of us and show us what it is. But I guess you won't. lol
And you're one of the moderators? Remember, the best revenge is success.
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I have no idea what you're worried about. When was the last time a great discovery was destroyed because nobody would believe it after it was properly demonstrated with adequate evidence? Name ONE in recent history. Even one that was delayed more than a few years because of such neglect.
well, not "destroyed" but since you're asking for one that was delayed...
amorphous semiconductor devices by stanford r. ovshinsky. ignored for more than a decade.
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i'm just curious. hypothetically speaking, what would you accept as "extraordinary evidence"? just want it clarified, it kind of gives you an out no matter what "evidence" is shown. furthermore, that argument is based on an unproven premise. i can easily rebut with:
“when a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. when he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.†-arthur c. clarke (1st law)
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why do you ask of mylow what you do not require from mainstream science?
“Even hopelessly flawed arguments posited by the pseudo-skeptic can have the power to flummox his opponents. In heated debates, he need not speak Truth to emerge "victorious." Games of semantics, creative ad hominem, and the deliberate misstatement of his opponents' positions are quite effective and oft-used tactics in his intellectual battles. The potential violence of King's English is brought to its greatest fruition by the pseudo-skeptic. With his back against the ropes, he will daze his opponent with a well-placed quote from Carl Sagan ("Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence!"), send him reeling with the words "You can't prove a negative!", then slash his throat with Occam's Razor ("The simplest explanation is also the most likely!").
These ordinarily sound scientific platitudes are used as the ultimate "get out of jail free" cards for pseudo-skeptics who have no answers to inconvenient questions. Let's examine Sagan's assertion that "extraordinary" claims require "extraordinary" evidence. The problem with this statement is that popular science does not require extraordinary evidence for its extraordinary claims. Big Bang theory may be the most extraordinary claim in the history of popular science. Here we have an idea that can be neatly encapsulated in eight words: "At first, there was nothing...then it exploded." (Source: http://w3trid.com/~wboggs/comics.html) But how can NOTHING explode? Big Bang theory "defies gravity" and violates innumerable laws of physics, it remains a HYPOTHETICAL mathematical model, yet it is promoted as truth by NASA and institutions of higher learning around the world. Why has the mainstream never demanded the same standards of Big Bang theorists that it does of "paranormal" proponents?
Where are the "double-blind tests" validating Big Bang theory? Has Big Bang theory been tested by JREF or other skeptical organizations?
What about Einstein's theory of relativity? The general public seems unaware that it has always been and is stil a matter of contention among accredited scientists. As Marcus Coleman writes (From http://www.wbabin.net/physics/marcus.htm):
"Einstein's relativity was not accepted by a number of his contemporaries. Rutherford, widely thought of as the 'father of nuclear physics', considered it to be nonsense. Columbia University astronomer C.L. Poor in 1922,'26 & '30 gave unassailable refutations of the claims of Eddington, i.e., that observations of the 1919 South American solar eclipse confirmed Einstein's predicted gravitational attraction of light. (Poor also documents a similar situation existing with the 1922 West Australian eclipse and the claims of Campbell & Trumpler.) It was this 'proof' espoused by Eddington however, which brought Einstein his first acclaim and greatest fame.
"Poor showed clearly that the actual observations were not what was claimed and that they did not support Einstein's prediction. This is still a valid refutation of Einstein's presumed gravitational attraction of light, and notwithstanding the 'Gravitational Lensing' phenomenon, still remains standing as an unanswered challenge to Einstein's general theory of relativity and theory of gravitation. As a side issue, this relegates the concept of 'black holes' to pure science fiction as many non-conventional scientists contend - that is, despite evidence of the most recent discoveries being claimed as proof of their existence (even to including the latest data concerning the centre of the Milky Way), such 'proof' does not survive close scrutiny."
My point here is not to argue one side or another in debates over specific cosmological questions, but rather to demonstrate that these most sacred "truths" of popular science are in reality EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS which have never required EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE.
A more accurate phrase to describe the standards of pseudo-skeptics (and, I'm sorry to say, much of the mainstream) is, "UNPOPULAR claims require extraordinary evidence." In its time, Galileo's thesis was considered quite extraordinary, as was Newton's. Why should this have been held against them? What is wrong with judging the evidence of a claim on its MERIT, while ignoring all pre-conceived notions of what is possible and impossible?â€
http://www.rense.com/general51/embr.htm
emphasis added by me.
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http://touko.cjb.net/mylow/
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Just stick to the facts of the case at hand. Any evidence? No. Just talk. All talk. Did you try and do a logical rendering of Video 6. No. Just talk. Did you bring up any strong points on why it is fake. No. Just talk.
Here is a fact, mylow used a video tape and uploaded it, it wasn't a live webcam, he could take as many attempts to make video 6 work as he wanted.
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@md
Thanks for re-posting your link in this thread.
Very useful for my next observation and request for help.
@all
OK, so we now have pictures of both the High Res and Regular Couch Motor Shot.
I also grabbed the one below at frame 3:51 from the original YouTube played on my FVL Player.
Now if anyone is good in drawing straight lines. We will assume the string leaves the two inch wheel shaft from both sides, both travel 11-12 inches and pass to the left side of the stator vertical bridge support and both head out to the motor shaft for a good 8-10 feet. Can anyone tell me the distance that there should be between the two strings when they arrive at the bridge. Then compare this distance to the photo put up in @md link showing the strings over with the three arrows. I think the answer should be obvious from the angle but I will let you see it for yourself. Now pay close attention to the fact that the stator side vertical is positioned off center to the right of the wheel center. What does this do the the string distance that should be at the bridge? OK compare this.
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What is wrong with judging the evidence of a claim on its MERIT, while ignoring all pre-conceived notions of what is possible and impossible?â€
Forget extraordinary evidence. How about some ordinary evidence for these claims? With regard to Mylow, something as ordinary as a single successful replication by anyone even slightly trustworthy would be a good start.
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Now pay close attention to the fact that the stator side vertical is positioned off center to the right of the wheel center. What does this do the the string distance that should be at the bridge? OK compare this.
I am not sure I understand the point. Absence of visible fraud does not mean the video is genuine.
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Forget extraordinary evidence. How about some ordinary evidence for these claims? With regard to Mylow, something as ordinary as a single successful replication by anyone even slightly trustworthy would be a good start.
i agree. whom is to be considered trustworthy is fodder for another thread.
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(re-post from Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim)
*** RE-ANALYSIS OF VIDEO#6 ACCELERATION CURVE ***
Here is a re-analysis, more accurate, of video # 6.
included are the first 5 minutes when the engine is running.
this time each set of magnets was tracked by computer to extract data more accurately.
the first analysis in April, has been done by hand ... frame by frame...(it was less accurate and had more chance of error)
in addition, the transformed data in RPM (Y axis) and second (X axis) for a more simple graphic.
note that even if the technique of analysis has changed ... the results are substantially similar.
the second graph is the analysis of the latest video ... where we have all seen the "string".
it is interesting to note that the acceleration curve are very different. (Video#6 VS latest video)
All the latest videos analyzed have an acceleration curve similar to the second graph (steadily and smooth) ... and all have been proven to operate with the system of "string".
once again, the re-analysis (video#6) shows no consistency in the acceleration curve, not even a constant "top" value.
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@All
The previous couch photo was from Video 17 without the rubber mat on the table.
We are getting there.
Here are some grabs from the Video 19 of the actual Finn photos showed the two lines over the rubber mat .
Photo1 7:43 - rubber-mat1.jpg Shows a side shot of the area immediately before the Fin grab.
Photo2 8:20 - rubber-mat2.jpg Shows the stator side where the FIns took their grab.
Photo3 8:36 - rubber-mat3.jpg Shows the back side of the bridge looking to the couch motor. This is the best linear shot there so you have to consider where the motor is on the couch.
Photo4 8:37 - rubber-mat4.jpg Shows just off the back side of the bridge looking to the couch motor. This is the best linear complete shot there so you have to consider where the motor is on the couch.
Now do the same thing and draw your lines and see what the distance between two strings should be at the left side of the stator side vertical bridge. Compare it to the Finn photos.
Make any sense?
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i'm just curious. hypothetically speaking, what would you accept as "extraordinary evidence"? just want it clarified, it kind of gives you an out no matter what "evidence" is shown. furthermore, that argument is based on an unproven premise.
Are you kidding? Initial screening of Mylow's gadget needs nothing extraordinary. Mylow's evidence is a Youtube video. Any idea how easy it is to fake one? How many different excellent methods can be used to bamboozle with one? Since when is science evidence presented on Youtube alone? Ever hear of refereed peer reviewed journals? Scientific meetings? How about university and private research labs like Earthtech? All Mylow needed to do to initiate respect and credibility was give a copy of his machine to Sterling or anyone who could properly test it. What did he do instead? Did you notice?
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Are you kidding? Initial screening of Mylow's gadget needs nothing extraordinary. Mylow's evidence is a Youtube video. Any idea how easy it is to fake one? How many different excellent methods can be used to bamboozle with one? Since when is science evidence presented on Youtube alone? Ever hear of refereed peer reviewed journals? Scientific meetings? How about university and private research labs like Earthtech? All Mylow needed to do to initiate respect and credibility was give a copy of his machine to Sterling or anyone who could properly test it. What did he do instead? Did you notice?
no i'm not kidding. nor was i talking about mylows case, that's why i said hypothetically speaking... did you notice? hypothetically, meaning a pmm in general. you answer my single question and i will address the rest of yours.
my point still stands. why should mylow have to do this to "initiate respect and credibility"? has earthtech offered up some new EVIDENCE of the big bang theory lately? or jref? how about putting to rest the einstein issue? because that i didn't notice.
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@wattsup, i'm just trying to back up what i felt to be the gist of your statement about the sign over the door @ overunity.com. if you feel it is not relevant or productive, please feel free to remove it. i will take no offense.
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(re-post from Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim)
Voilà ,
I put the events (zooming, shaky camera ,....) on the graph in relation with time...
see for your self.
if an addition or correction should be made, please let me know.
Thanks,
LightRider
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Great work, LR, thanks.
This still looks like the signature of a slipping drive line to me.
First, the accelerations are not steep enough to be from Mr. Hand spinning the wheel by the edge. Perhaps by the axle, but probably not even that way.
In my tests the accelerations from the hand are always on the order of one second or less; these take a lot longer.
Second, there are periods of constant RPM. Impossible to achieve with Mr. Hand.
So I think Mylow tightened the drive line setup several times in this video, and never got it stable.
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More Swing ring motors anyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfq2tU0no1U
Of course Sterling is excited, guess some folk have a low excitement threshold.
Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfq2tU0no1U
Here's his response:
tgmo07 has sent you a message:
Re: perpetual motion magnets
first of all i'd like to thank you for watching,as for the answer to your question my perpetual motion prototype IS NOT an illusion.
On either spool the magnets are glued repeling each other.
the magnets naturally line up with the earth's poles, in this case they try to.
It still needs a little work though hence the term prototype
I've added this to: http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Swiss_Ring_Magnet_Motor#Two_Spools_with_Opposing_Magnets
Sterling
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I can't believe the later videos with a clear shot of fishing line are still being debated.
After reviewing the first stonehenge video from the beginning, the lines appear to be wood grain. This means he pushed it by hand.
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Great work, LR, thanks.
This still looks like the signature of a slipping drive line to me.
First, the accelerations are not steep enough to be from Mr. Hand spinning the wheel by the edge. Perhaps by the axle, but probably not even that way.
In my tests the accelerations from the hand are always on the order of one second or less; these take a lot longer.
Second, there are periods of constant RPM. Impossible to achieve with Mr. Hand.
So I think Mylow tightened the drive line setup several times in this video, and never got it stable.
Thanks for your interpretation TinselKoala.
answer @ Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7039.msg182629#msg182629
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@LightRider
Thanks again for your great graph. I will investigate this also when looking at the video to see the nuances of movements, etc.
@all
Can anyone post an image of the build spec for the shaft and the two top disks showing the top distance of the three screws that hold the wheel to the first bottom disk. Can't seem to locate it in so many threads (and pages - lol.) This will giver the exact measures required to extrapolate the string leaving the shaft and going to the couch motor for both the video 17 (non rubber-mat glass top showing the motor couch) and the video 19 (rubber mat where the Finns grabbed the strings at the stator). This will help confirm if the distances of the Finns grab is logical or not. Either way, we need to confirm this string position to be right. I will draw these into my Corel Draw program at full scale to get the best approximations.
Keep it up guys.
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OK I found what I needed. The three screw on the wheel are 0.876" or 22.25mm from the center point. That's all I need to know for now. I'll be back soon.
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(re-post from Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim)
Voilà ,
I put the events (zooming, shaky camera ,....) on the graph in relation with time...
see for your self.
if an addition or correction should be made, please let me know.
Thanks,
LightRider
I see no proof of a drive wire running in this video, infact my theory is that there is no string/wire motor used in this video...
Assuming this is the video we are talking about is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&feature=channel_page
My theory on this is that he turned it by hand in this video. There was never a time that during acceleration was the disk fully in view of the camera.
at the second spin up, he moves the stator in, the afterwards it starts up around 5m 50sec
Anyway hope were talking about the same video :)
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I see no proof of a drive wire running in this video, infact my theory is that there is no string/wire motor used in this video...
Assuming this is the video we are talking about is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpQA5c9guvE&feature=channel_page
My theory on this is that he turned it by hand in this video. There was never a time that during acceleration was the disk fully in view of the camera.
at the second spin up, he moves the stator in, the afterwards it starts up around 5m 50sec
Anyway hope were talking about the same video :)
If LR's graph is good (and I'm sure it is) there are 2 indications that the hand is not the culprit:
First, the accelerations are too slow. A hand spin results in an acceleration that lasts less than one second; in the graph LR shows that the periods of acceleration are several seconds long, as much as 6 or 7 seconds.
Second, there are periods of constant speed. This is impossible to achieve with hand spinning.
EDIT: Note the right half of this graph. The accelerations due to my hand, even trying to be as smooth and slow as possible, still result in very steep acceleration curves, with NO constant speed at the peaks, since the wheel is not being driven.
The acceleration curves that LR has shown for Mylow's vid are not consistent with a hand push, but rather a slipping drive line that was readjusted several times and never really got stable.
IMHO.
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I cnat believe we are still on about the strings. Even Mylow confessed and there was some damming evidence put up yesterday that number 6 was a fake as well.
So to all replicators....learn what Mylow did wrong. The cogging effect is the exact oppersite of what you are after
Mark
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I cnat believe we are still on about the strings. Even Mylow confessed and there was some damming evidence put up yesterday that number 6 was a fake as well.
So to all replicators....learn what Mylow did wrong. The cogging effect is the exact oppersite of what you are after
Mark
markdansie; I believe that it is still going on due to some different approaches that need further study in case there is something that can be used, despite of the fake.
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@TK
The only thing we cannot replicate right now with the graphs is what a real magnet wheel with a non-symmetric magnet arrangement should look like as in Video 6. It could actually look like what you have shown above.
@All
OK, regarding Video 17 Couch Motor and String Length. I am putting this photo below at the couch. What I did was drew the wheel to real scale and put the image under it, then just changed the wheel perspective but keeping it the same size, then drew in my lines from the 2" shaft going to the left of the stator bridge vertical, which I added in also. According to my best calculations, if there is a string in Video 17, it cannot be more then 0.4" or 10.16mm apart right near the left bridge post. If there are two strings going under the wheel, one will be curved to the back of the wheel shaft and the other will go in fairly straight to the front side of the shaft so you should look for a v-shaped thin shifting right at the stator pole base.
Based on the glass table and couch motor not being moved on my extrapolations for Video 19 where the Finns took the two string grab, the bridge was on a rubber mat and the alignment was not the same as in Video 17.
You can see on the next two images, the first shows Video 17 the bridge center post further to the left compared to the tables center support beam then the next image of Video 19.
The Video 19 bridge was about 0.75" more to the right so this would infer that the strings would be about 1.15" - 1.35" apart at the stator base. This would seem consistent with the image grabbed and outlined by the Finns and if these lines were added to the image, they made a real good approximation of where they should be placed.
This actually for me now confirms that Video 19 was faked.
But what has to also be understood in this Video 19 is the message Mylow was sending to us because of all the abuse he got during his first videos up to Video 6, which I think is real. In fact, I think the bar magnets are also real but the rotation speed would never have reached the faking method and he did this to to spite us all. Some people do not take insults very well. Who does?
So back to Video 6 after these commercials. lol
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... hypothetically speaking, what would you accept as "extraordinary evidence"? just want it clarified, it kind of gives you an out no matter what "evidence" is shown. furthermore, that argument is based on an unproven premise...
Acceptable evidence for a wild claim isn't something fixed in stone. For sure, though, it's NEVER a Youtube video. A Youtube video can be useful in attracting attention or documenting an event witnessed by several sources which is transient in nature. If someone claims a self running magnetic motor, it isn't rocket science to prove whether it really exists and works as stated. For openers, giving a copy to Sterling would have been a (nonclusive) start. Nonconclusive because Sterling while IMHO honest, is pretty gullible.
But that Mylow would NOT show the motor to anyone speaks volumes against his claims. So does that nobody can replicate the piss-simple devices illustrated in the videos and "plans".
Definitive proof of an overunity motor would require independent testing by a reliable lab or other institution. Replication would cinch it, again if done by reliable people and confirmed independently. That would result in technical papers, news releases and all sorts of things-- NONE of which happened for Mylow's "motor". When first announced, whether a discovery is real can be a bit indeterminate. For most things, it clarifies quickly.
As to your more general questions, some are silly. Should Earthtech be able to test the Big Bang theory, and whatever else you asked? Well... no. Earthtech is specifically setup to test claims of new sources of energy, not cosmic theories. What else did you want to know?
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Acceptable evidence for a wild claim isn't something fixed in stone. For sure, though, it's NEVER a Youtube video. A Youtube video can be useful in attracting attention or documenting an event witnessed by several sources which is transient in nature. If someone claims a self running magnetic motor, it isn't rocket science to prove whether it really exists and works as stated. For openers, giving a copy to Sterling would have been a (nonclusive) start. Nonconclusive because Sterling while IMHO honest, is pretty gullible.
But that Mylow would NOT show the motor to anyone speaks volumes against his claims. So does that nobody can replicate the piss-simple devices illustrated in the videos and "plans".
Definitive proof of an overunity motor would require independent testing by a reliable lab or other institution. Replication would cinch it, again if done by reliable people and confirmed independently. That would result in technical papers, news releases and all sorts of things-- NONE of which happened for Mylow's "motor". When first announced, whether a discovery is real can be a bit indeterminate. For most things, it clarifies quickly.
As to your more general questions, some are silly. Should Earthtech be able to test the Big Bang theory, and whatever else you asked? Well... no. Earthtech is specifically setup to test claims of new sources of energy, not cosmic theories. What else did you want to know?
nothing. you've avoided the question three times now, i know all i need to about you.
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If LR's graph is good (and I'm sure it is) there are 2 indications that the hand is not the culprit:
First, the accelerations are too slow. A hand spin results in an acceleration that lasts less than one second; in the graph LR shows that the periods of acceleration are several seconds long, as much as 6 or 7 seconds.
Second, there are periods of constant speed. This is impossible to achieve with hand spinning.
EDIT: Note the right half of this graph. The accelerations due to my hand, even trying to be as smooth and slow as possible, still result in very steep acceleration curves, with NO constant speed at the peaks, since the wheel is not being driven.
The acceleration curves that LR has shown for Mylow's vid are not consistent with a hand push, but rather a slipping drive line that was readjusted several times and never really got stable.
IMHO.
TK,
I would like to use your graphic for further analysis.
The objective would be to validate or disprove this hypothesis (or the pratical result in your case)
hypothesis:
"A hand spin results in an acceleration that lasts less than one second; in the graph LR shows that the periods of acceleration are several seconds long, as much as 6 or 7 seconds."
If you still have the original graphic,
Can you do a zoom in one section (400sec to 500sec). (or section that you've done your best for a smooth acceleration).
It is difficult to evaluate the "seconds" on this graph with a scale of 100 sec / grid
Thanks,
LightRider
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TK, I may be in error, please correct me.
With a zoom on your graph here are some simple calculations...
on the assumption that the selected area is a zone of acceleration made from a hand.
on the assumption that this area corresponds to where you made the most carefulness for a smooth acceleration.
total length (between black lines at the beginning and the end) is => 100 sec.
total length is => 148 pixels
acceleration zone chosen is => 8 pixels
that give us:
acceleration zone chosen is => 5.4 sec
Thanks,
LightRider
EDIT:
IMAGE IS A ZOOM FROM TK ANALYSIS
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7486.msg182683#msg182683
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@LightRider
What you are probably looking at is exactly what is happening when the stator passes through a succession of rotors in three blotch three blotch three blotch three. If you passed the rotors through the stator slowly, the magnetic field exchanges could equal the advance and slow-down to advance-slow down in a continuous manner. These are all micro-movements with a forward momentum.
The whole succession could happen faster or slower, it does not matter. Even then, these magnetic influences will have their play on the movement of the wheel, hence on your graphic. Actually if your graphic is showing this effect, it is pretty incredible that you came up with this. Really good work in movement plotting.
Magnets are fast little buggers and mutual interaction is generally faster then the eye can see. So it is also evident in the micro time you are showing here. A magnet wheel cannot turn like a car wheel because a car wheel is turned by the axle power transfer, whereas a magnet wheel is turned by magnets. There is nothing linearly similar about these two ways of motive promotion, expect that to the naked eye, both are turning.
@All
For the Video 6 Hand Theory
Here we go if you want.
In visual evidence of Video 6, let's say, even though I could not detect any opportunity and/or I don't think Mylow pushed his wheel, because he knows the difference would have been noticed right away. He just let it go (because he knew it would turn - lol). But let's say Mylow had ONE shot to move this wheel by hand to make the wheel hold an immediate maximum rpm, because we all know a gradual acceleration with magnets is "impossible". How would the graphic have to look. Steep rise with very gradual decline? Now I know for a fact that the video dispels any possibility of doing this twice, or three times, so, let's just say he had one crack at it. Is it possible with one hand turn to make this effect. I doubt it. But let's put it out there and see what happens.
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nothing. you've avoided the question three times now, i know all i need to about you.
Sure you do-- you're psychic, I'm sure.
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(re-post from Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim)
Mylow Video update
Youtube resolution...
(VIDEO ADD #7) How Mylow Replicated Howard Johnson's Magnet Motor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdrhFV8k-Nk
NOW IN HIGH-RES...
pre MIB high-res videos - One of the files is the "my lab" video from March 17, and the other is the March 22 video just prior to the glass table video.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_MYLOW%27s_Magnetic_Motor_based_on_Howard_Johnson%27s_Design#Latest_Developments
@all
We see very very clearly everything ... for my part, not a shadow of a "string" there.
VIDEO ANALYSIS WILL BE DONE SOON ;D
Thanks,
LightRider
can someone make a torrent for the other?
EDIT: Mr. hand theory seems more plausible now...
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I've done my own video analysis and discovered the mysterious power source behind Mylow's motor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0mcGDAs3f8&feature=related
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@nyctuber
After 549 posts, the analysis you just put up is about the only thing we would have expected of you. Kind of generalizes your whole presence here on this forum.
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@nyctuber
After 549 posts, the analysis you just put up is about the only thing we would have expected of you. Kind of generalizes your whole presence here on this forum.
Yes sorry to inject a little humor into this 'serious' debate about a proven fake. Hows the reproduction working out?
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@nyctuber
Fuck you and none of your business. Keep reading your MIB manual.
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lol
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@nyctuber
Keep reading your MIB manual.
Is that available in PDF?
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Is that available in PDF?
Here you go the Men In Black Manual
http://books.google.com/books?id=kBQam8BZBDsC&pg=PA163&dq=Men+in+black+manual#PPA89,M1
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Actuay if you go by Sterlings latest theory you need to join the Freemasons lodge to learn about becomming a MIB.
On a serios note...and I am not being sarcastic, how is your replication comming along wattsup?
I have been following many replicators both on forums and in private. There is always valuable information comming forth.
I am personally not doing a Mylow. I picked up in March through my own experiemce and information I gathered talking to other inventors over the years that it was highly unlikely that Mylow had anything. Many of the people who have been at the coal face for many years had a similar opinion. It was a shame that Mylow did fake things and now has no credability.
i think what really raised the reg flag when he was excited about the cogging point bounce.
Anyway bed time here.
Take Care
Mark
ps please dont use the F word my daughter reads these threads
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And you're a moderator?, standards are definitely falling.
@nyctuber
Fuck you and none of your business. Keep reading your MIB manual.
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@LR: That one acceleration in my graph does look slower. I'm away from the computer that has that data; I won't be able to inspect it at higher time resolution, until later this evening. I'll re-plot the section in question and we can see if the time scale is like what Mylow shows. But it will be some hours before I can do it.
Still, there are those periods of constant RPM in your graph -- I do not see how that is possible with a hand push, unless the motor is also somehow driven.
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Is that available in PDF?
As far as I know, the complete and unabriged MiB manual is still securely under lock and key. A number of snippits have been revealed and a fairly comprehensive history has been uncovered. This information is available in RAW PDF format. The document is fairly old, but the conspiracies are much, much older.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6868236/Robert-Anton-Wilson-Robert-Shea-Illuminatus-Trilogy-en
;)
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@LightRider:
Here's the slowest acceleration by hand I could find on my test graph -- it's actually 3 short pushes, and yes, it does seem to take about 6 or 7 seconds for the whole thing, but with short decelerations in between the pushes.
I was pushing on the edge of the wheel; I'll try to make a smooth acceleration by turning it by the bearing mount instead and see how that looks.
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Analysis of an old setup from Mylow.
Video M2U00059 HI-DEF
Youtube version...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdrhFV8k-Nk
I promise that this is my final analysis ... ;)
-In HI-DEF no string.
-When we see all the disk including the shaft, the disk slow down.
-When we see a zoom, the disk accelerates.
I guess it remains... the guilty one.
I let you guess... what you already know.
Thanks,
LightRider
EDIT: graphic correction of -1.5 sec only on "red areas"
EDIT2: "nothing special happen" replace by "camera: zoom in (part of the disk is seen)"
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Ta DA !
Light rider, thanks .
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Analysis of an old setup from Mylow.
Video M2U00059 HI-DEF
Youtube version...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdrhFV8k-Nk
I promise that this is my final analysis ... ;)
-In HI-DEF no string.
-When we see all the disk including the shaft, the disk slow down.
-When we see a zoom, the disk accelerates.
I guess it remains... the guilty one.
I let you guess... what you already know.
Thanks,
LightRider
Very damning. He's good though, I still have difficulty accelerating my wheel that slowly, even by the rotor mount. But with practice I suppose I could learn to do it. The brief period of apparent constant speed is undoubtedly an artifact of the analysis.
I give Zen applause to Mylow: the sound of One Hand, Clapping.
And many thanks to LightRider. It is possible to get real and consistent information about a device from a YT video, if one knows what to look for and how to look for it.
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@LightRider
Thanks for your graph as usual. I have tried to find the actual video referenced M2U00059 but cannot seem to find it.
The video in the link you provided
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdrhFV8k-Nk
does not concord with the timings on your graph so I am wondering if there is another video regarding this.
wattsup
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@LightRider
Thanks for your graph as usual. I have tried to find the actual video referenced M2U00059 but cannot seem to find it.
The video in the link you provided
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdrhFV8k-Nk
does not concord with the timings on your graph so I am wondering if there is another video regarding this.
wattsup
wattsup,
I did not take the youtube video (LOW-DEF),
I've taken this one in HI-DEF =>
380 Mb => M2U00059_Mar22-new-stator-assmbly_rotating.MPG - Shows the motor starting several times. Shows inside drawer under motor.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/Videos/
Thanks,
LightRider
(post @ groups.yahoo.com)
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1794
POST from Sterling:
Wed May 27, 2009 3:47 am
Bcc: Mylow & PMMTester
Mylow has sent me two of the "pre-MIB" videos.
I've uploaded them to the Videos download page. For those of you who have access to that page, you can go ahead and download them.
Those of you who have Torrent or some other file sharing system, feel free to make them available through that means. Let me know the link so I can update the splash page with it.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/store/MylowMagnetMotor_plans/Videos/
One of the files is the "my lab" video from March 17, and the other is the March 22 video just prior to the glass table video.
You can tell from the March 17 "my lab" video that what people have been calling the fish line is actually a scratch on the dresser top.
Mylow inadvertently deleted out some of the files off his camera, but had some on his hard drive.
Sterling
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I wonder why he chose the handle "mylow" his name is Jose after all. Perhaps he was meaning this is "My lowest behaviour" or maybe "My low point". There is a name "milo" but not "mylow", what does it mean?
But then who am I to talk, my handle's not much better, "Yucca", yuccy, yuck! I chose it because I really admire Yucca plants, an amazing lifecycle that requires the rare Yucca Moth to reproduce, produces an amazing head of flowers in even the rockiest of soils and arid conditions, protects its growing tip with a huge crown of spikes. The genus is really old, goes back to before the dinosaurs.
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@LightRider
does not concord with the timings on your graph...
wattsup
Wattsup,
I did double check and everything seem on time...
Note:
Do not trust the "beginning" of the movement to evaluate the timing...
=> the Y axis starts at 7 RPM.
=> the sensor and the decoder program need a tour to begin such mesurements...
In you want to double check the "acceleration curve" position:
Please watch the end of the video, the beginning of the last deceleration is at 6:08
=> This time is when Mylow touches the shaft to put it closer to the stator...
=> Then look at the graph (take into account the X axis is in seconds)
In you want to double check the "the 3 red zones" position:
=> From the Youtube version I have about this time
=> 1) 4:37 to 4:45
=> 2) 5:08 to 5:17
=> 3) 5:47 to 5:57
=> Then look at the graph (take into account the X axis is in seconds)
From my observation:
by manipulating the graph several times (resize), I may be 1.5 seconds to late...
BUT ONLY for "the 3 red zones" NOT the "acceleration curve" ...
minus 1.5 seconds "for the 3 red zones" on the chart, it will come even better ...
and the conclusion remains the same.
Thanks,
LightRider
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Analysis of an old setup from Mylow.
Video M2U00059 HI-DEF
-When we see all the disk including the shaft, the disk slow down.
-When we see a zoom, the disk accelerates.
I guess it remains... the guilty one.
I let you guess... what you already know.
Thanks,
LightRider
Great work thanks
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I see that Sterling has posted some of our recent email correspondence, saying that he is innocent of selling plans to a fraudulent motor and that he is not misrepresenting the motor as working.
Here's part of my response, captured a few minutes ago from PESwiki.
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Wattsup,
I made this correction to the graphic:
-1.5sec only on "red areas"
Thanks,
LightRider
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@LightRider
Wow that file size is so big I will have to wait to get back home from the office to download it on my home computer an do the checking tonight.
I really appreciate all the hard and tedious effort you have put into this.
But in essence, from what I understand, the link you put up was for the Low Res video (VIDEO ADD #7) of which you used the same video but the high res version.
You see what I am goint to try and do is see where during these rises Mylow would have had the opportunity from the camera perspective to be close enough to the wheel to actually push it by hand, while also holding the camera steady enough to keep filming. Maybe I am complicating things but this would have to be looked at carefully to see if physically there was enough opportunity to exercise a manual push and also, if such a push was instigated on purpose, do these pushes physically cooincide with what is on the video. Don't worry, I am not concerned with 1 second here or there but in the general sense and your graphing will help this out tremendously.
It's actually good to know we can count on some to put forth their real talents into a collective effort.
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I shall miss Mylow, he provided so much entertainment, but looks like the poor sucker is about to be left out in the cold.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1815 (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo/message/1815)
Re: [mylow_magmo] ACH79 horseshoe magnets
Hi Ivan,
Those are the closest I know of, but I must say that with recent information, I am leaning strongly toward the view that Mylow was lying from the beginning, and that he has never had a single working unit.
Sterling
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@LightRider
Wow that file size is so big I will have to wait to get back home from the office to download it on my home computer an do the checking tonight.
I really appreciate all the hard and tedious effort you have put into this.
But in essence, from what I understand, the link you put up was for the Low Res video (VIDEO ADD #7) of which you used the same video but the high res version.
You see what I am goint to try and do is see where during these rises Mylow would have had the opportunity from the camera perspective to be close enough to the wheel to actually push it by hand, while also holding the camera steady enough to keep filming. Maybe I am complicating things but this would have to be looked at carefully to see if physically there was enough opportunity to exercise a manual push and also, if such a push was instigated on purpose, do these pushes physically cooincide with what is on the video. Don't worry, I am not concerned with 1 second here or there but in the general sense and your graphing will help this out tremendously.
It's actually good to know we can count on some to put forth their real talents into a collective effort.
Thanks wattsup,
"You see what I am goint to try and do is see where during these rises Mylow would have had the opportunity from the camera perspective to be close enough to the wheel to actually push it by hand, while also holding the camera steady enough to keep filming."
Good luck in your investigation,
from my point of view, this is more than likely he achieved it, all at the same time.
probably a lot of practice behind, as TK pointed out.
Thanks,
LightRider
EDIT: despite everything, Mylow seem very tenacious and persevering...
.... more that 92 videos. So i guess he is the type of person to practice a lot before he give up.
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There's a really simple and elegant lesson here for replicators and designers of new magnet motors-- ALWAYS use a "control" experiment-- run the motor with and without the stator magnet and, using a good (but cheap) tachometer to get the same starting speed, accurately measure the run down time. If the motor runs longer without the stator, then you've learned something valuable about that configuration: it won't work.
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Lightrider:
Thank you for all of your analysis on these videos. I know this is hard work and I really appreciate you taking the time to do this. Heck, even Sterling appears to have changed his mind. I hope you and the other investigators here get the credit you deserve for all of this. Without you guys, who knows how long this fraud/hoax would have continued.
Bill
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Right, many thanks to Lightrider but don't forget "toukoqouko" who showed the real mechanism of "Mylow's motor".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzC4TrPHkzg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzC4TrPHkzg)
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Yeah, but will he learn his lesson before using his responsible and trusted position to lead more people yet again down the wrong path.
And a question to the other Mylow believers, are you going to think for yourself in the case of Mylow or is it just going to be another case of "Sterling said"
Lightrider:
Thank you for all of your analysis on these videos. I know this is hard work and I really appreciate you taking the time to do this. Heck, even Sterling appears to have changed his mind. I hope you and the other investigators here get the credit you deserve for all of this. Without you guys, who knows how long this fraud/hoax would have continued.
Bill
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Right, many thanks to Lightrider but don't forget "toukoqouko" who showed the real mechanism of "Mylow's motor".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzC4TrPHkzg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzC4TrPHkzg)
he is good, isn't it! and funny
Thanks to him ;D
LightRider
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Hey Mary, do you ever keep up?, the believers already accepted those as fakes, but they would not accept the first two as fakes because of the silly MiB story.
Right, many thanks to Lightrider but don't forget "toukoqouko" who showed the real mechanism of "Mylow's motor".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzC4TrPHkzg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzC4TrPHkzg)
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Headline News
Those are the closest I know of, but I must say that with recent information, I am leaning strongly toward the view that Mylow was lying from the beginning, and that he has never had a single working unit.
Sterling
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Headline News
Those are the closest I know of, but I must say that with recent information, I am leaning strongly toward the view that Mylow was lying from the beginning, and that he has never had a single working unit.
Sterling
Ergo, no MiB required and the trip to HJ's grave a fabricated red herring to throw people off. His tantrums were all for show and his family was in on it.
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Hey Mary, do you ever keep up?
No, thanks. I try to keep up with work and news. For whackadoo stuff, unless I stumble on things, I rely on others to obsess about and post it.
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@ wattsup
Remeber this guy...he recieved special tuition from Mylow the magnificent himself.
"Andy Graham" <andydidge@...> wrote:
>
> What a shame...I really was holding out on this one, but I think I'm finally
done with it.
>
> ...anyone want to buy a cool spinning paperweight?
>
> -Andy
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@nyctuber
After 549 posts, the analysis you just put up is about the only thing we would have expected of you. Kind of generalizes your whole presence here on this forum.
User nyctuber
was banned now.
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Rick Friedrich (associate of Bedini) sent me this info:
http://rpmgt.org/PES.htm
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Rick Friedrich (associate of Bedini) sent me this info:
http://rpmgt.org/PES.htm
Those who live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones.
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Those who live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones.
They may if their glass is already broken.
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@LightRider
Please disregard my last PM to you. Thanks for the High Res upload and I did do much work on it last night and had taken the day today to finish off a report. But given the last post from Sterling as posted by @stefan here, I think it will be easier to just forget it.
http://pesn.com/2009/05/28/9501545_Jose-E-Concepcion_aka-Mylow_magnet-motor_Hoax/
Let's just spare us all the added doldrums of hashing out every single nick and cranny. Let's just call the Mylow Wheel "Time of Death" as the time of this post and stop all other furtherance here.
To builders and plan buyers. Some people may have purchased plans but not many have made a build. If you are like me, you may agree or not agree with the final Mylwo stance but regardless, you have a nice wheel to work with in many many ways both magnetics, electro-magnetics and many other ways of learning with this great, well balanced and sturdy wheel system. Actually it makes a good common base when one of us manages to come up with something interesting. Pulling the plug on this Mylow affair will also leave builders and experimenters free to go about their own studies in their own way, in their own time and not be constrained by added outer pressures to come up with results that would either vindicate one side or the other. We are not here to vindicate, we are here to learn and we learn from all angles of any event.
So that's it. Let's call this dead.
One thing that will not die is the obvious changes that I will be proposing to @stefan to establish on this forum a special section that will be well ready and versed in the art of accepting, analyzing and publishing OU disclosures in a secure and closed environment that will produce and put forth both the best efforts of OU members and the best analysis of devices possible, with the least pain to all parties involved all in a format of mutual respect. Otherwise, the next death call will be this forum.
As for Sterling, I know of no one that exercises in any profession that has not made mistakes or has called a bad treatment method, amputated the wrong leg, or has jailed the wrong criminal, or has bombed the wrong home, or has married the wrong woman. We all make mistakes and it is part of the price we pay for doing what we do. Let no one tell you otherwise and keep doing what you do best.
Long live OU.
@stefan
Let's give these threads a few more days to decompress and then please lock them but leave the Discussion thread open since builders still have things to do with the wheel that may be very interesting. I know I do and would like to hear from others that have wheels also.
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@LightRider
Please disregard my last PM to you. Thanks for the High Res upload and I did do much work on it last night and had taken the day today to finish off a report. But given the last post from Sterling as posted by @stefan here, I think it will be easier to just forget it.
http://pesn.com/2009/05/28/9501545_Jose-E-Concepcion_aka-Mylow_magnet-motor_Hoax/
Np,
Thanks for every thing wattsup,
LightRider
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why lock them??
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As for Sterling, I know of no one that exercises in any profession that has not made mistakes or has called a bad treatment method, amputated the wrong leg, or has jailed the wrong criminal, or has bombed the wrong home, or has married the wrong woman. We all make mistakes and it is part of the price we pay for doing what we do. Let no one tell you otherwise and keep doing what you do best.
Excuse me?, you condone the posting of Mylows real name, address and phone number on a public website?, you condone the idea that Mylow and his family might now be in danger?
I do not know much about US law and I will never condone what Mylow did(accept to see it as a good lesson for some of you), but I think Mylow has a case to sue, Sterling can be human, he can make mistakes, we all do, but the placing of Mylows details is more than a mistake, it is seeking revenge, we can only hope for Sterlings sake that no one gets hurt!
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The posting of Mylows PI is not a mistake, It was a planed revenge. It is not a mistake it is an calculated attack.
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@all
Thanks for your support, suggestions and constructive comments on the analysis made.
See you for a new challenge ... on another topic
LightRider
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This thread is now locked.
The others will also be locked in the coming days except for the Discussion thread.
Please refer to the main topic list of threads to see which ones are still open.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?board=117.0