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Author Topic: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim  (Read 1191880 times)

gyulasun

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Re: Another Phone Chat with Milow
« Reply #90 on: March 20, 2009, 12:26:12 AM »

He confirmed that the stator magnet is an iron-based magnet, not alnico.  He said he also got it from the Science & Surplus store, but it was 10-15 years ago.  He said it looks like it's been molded into its arc shape.  He said he has had it re-magnetized twice now, and that it costs around $60 each time he does it.  He said he'd get me the address of the company that does this for him.
 
He noted that the magnet is yet weaker today, and the rotor is spinning slower today than it was last night.  He estimated that it loses about 1/2 rpm every hour or two.


Hi Sterling,

Perhaps he (Mylow) could make another stator magnet from an U shaped soft iron piece with two Neo block magnets attached to the prongs and test his setup.  This would not make any harm on his present working setup and he could change the distance of the stator magnet assembly the same way like now.
Of course the size of the U shape iron piece and that of the Neo magnets may need some tinkering to arrive at a size where the rotor can maintain its rotation again.

This substitute stator magnet assembly may show more magnet strength stability on the long run (Neo magnets much more durable than ceramic or AlNiCo types, not to mention old steel or iron magnets.

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #91 on: March 20, 2009, 12:27:31 AM »
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Something that has crossed my mind is how Howard was able to to get those magnets with small enough tolerances, so his perfectly calculated shapes and orders of the magnets made this motor working.

Howard's educational progress is clearly evident in the later, linear patent model.  It seems plausible to me that his work was stifled a bit, by whom and for what purpose is arguably considerable.  I feel that, should he have taken a slightly different path in his research, he would have made quite a leap in realized efficiency.

The funny thing about magnets is that although they can stand being alone, they prefer having close company so they can truly be as one.  As we all know, familiarity breeds contempt, so then the question becomes how to make a friend's comings and goings of benefit to all.....an interesting guest should be able to make frequent visits and still never wear out it's welcome, by sticking around to long.



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Alnico Channel Magnets
« Reply #92 on: March 20, 2009, 01:19:39 AM »
From Mark Hayton:

http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicochannel.htm - possible source for alnico channel horseshoes

I'll ask Mylow if he thinks this site magets will work.

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #93 on: March 20, 2009, 01:42:00 AM »
you know I never miss a good party  ;D

CLaNZeR!  Sean, glad to see you - I went to your website last night looking for an email address for you (to no avail) hoping to spark your interest in replication - seeing as you are one of THE PREMIER replicators around!  What say you?

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sterlinga -
Thanks Alan for posting all that info at peswiki,  Having an uncluttered listing of the relevant info is great!
The fact that you are interested is a great asset.

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I would think a critical aspect would be the magnet spacing:
The rotor magnets need to be spaced relative to the spacing between the N/S faces of the u-shaped stator magnet.
So if using different magnets, one should keep that spacing relative.

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I simulated those magnets in Femm.

Would you care to post pics/.jpgs of your FEMM simulations please?


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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #94 on: March 20, 2009, 01:47:58 AM »
sterlinga, I don't want to start another war here but I must note that your statement: "as in energy coming from nowhere; the energy is coming from somewhere" is unfounded if you mean that there is some preexisting energy reservoir which is being tapped to turn the motor. There is not a shred of evidence to support that.

On the contrary, there is all the evidence, and it has been proven beyond doubt, that in these machines energy which turns the rotor does not come from a pre-existing energy reservoir. Here's how it works: Proper construction of the motor allows for the magnetic force to induce displacement. Pre-existing magnetic force is not energy, neither is the displacement alone.
Force over distance is. No pre-existing energy reservoir and yet there's energy which drives the rotor.
In convention science it's customer to provide a reference containing the proof. Otherwise it's just a meaningless claim.

PL

sterlinga

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Re: Alnico Channel Magnets
« Reply #95 on: March 20, 2009, 02:39:38 AM »
http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicochannel.htm - possible source for alnico channel horseshoes

I'll ask Mylow if he thinks this site magets will work.

Mylow responds: "omg yes as long as the magnetization is through the thinkness and longer lenth.wow these are the magnets that can make the motor work."

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #96 on: March 20, 2009, 02:47:33 AM »
I just read a bit of that article linked to earlier -
http://www.newebmasters.com/freeenergy/sm-pg47.html

A key point that jumped out at me was foil-wrapped magents. I assume back in the 80's that foil was already primarily aluminium, not tin or anything like that. Myloo was saying he doesn't have a permeability plate - well I say he does, in the aluminium base and holder. I reckon the paramagnetism of aluminium must play a key role somehow. Myloo has aluminium all around his setup, johnson wrapped his magnets in foil (aluminum?). Perhaps the drag induced by the aluminium acts to slow down the magnetic field changes, in such a way that the stator has passed beyond the field lines before they have a chance to drag it back. Just pure conjecture here, but aluminiums seems to be a common material here, that is usually discounted as being non-magnetic.

Andrew

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #97 on: March 20, 2009, 03:49:52 AM »
Hi;

I will summarize what I think I am seeing in his videos;

Look, In general what he is demonstrating is *not* supposed to work because
“sticky spots” should form in the *whole array* on the disc. One question is
whether the aluminum disk and the aluminum cross bar is affecting the
units operation. Perhaps the low power magnetics and the aluminum disk
are not allowing sticky spots to fully form.

:S:MarkSCoffman



Dude !

Good point about the aluminum - -
i was thinking the same thing myself. Although non magnetic  - aluminum is an excellent electrical conductor and the electrons in that disk are most certainly plenty nervous about the field of those magnetics as they move about.
Maybe that is why it works !

This kind of array SHOULD exhibit sticky spots and yet there seems to be none apparent. 
What is happening ?
Most interesting wheel i 've seen in a long while.
 
i  think i might make a low cost attempt at replication myself. 
Love the simplicity . .
any cat can do  ..

Puuurrfect reason to buy yet even MORE magnets ..
miss meow will not be pleased again i fear . .
We already have enough magnets to stick used transmissions to our fridge.

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #98 on: March 20, 2009, 04:52:43 AM »
MYLOW121363 writes in the comments to his video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqavYG6beSo the following:

"i must keep be privet for now. i have all ready resived death trets. "

What do you guys think? Does the above show the first signs of fading away, the same way that one Mike disappeared after leading by the nose a number of enthusiasts through his claim for a successful replication of Bedini motor? Does anyone remember that story? Or maybe the way @xpenzif, the guy with the screw-motor disappeared. Maybe also similar to @alsetalokin who even posted a video of him trashing the motor after leading so many into the dead-end of replicating something which turned out to be a joke. He has the nerve to still lurk around in forums such as the one maintained by Steorn and most people behave towards him as if nothing has happened. Does one remember that Danny from Ohio who was also claiming similar things. That Danny claimed he has a Torbay motor working at his place only to disappear later without a trace when asked to have someone visit and see the motor working. Oh, Torbay, I forgot Torbay. Does anyone remember that story? He even came here in New York City all the way from Argentina to "demonstrate" his non-working machine. And so on and so forth. Shall we say in this case (MYLOW's case) again we've been there, we've seen that? "death trets", give me a break. Exactly the greater publicity is the preventive measure against these "resived death trets", if any, and not be "privet". Who is he kidding?

Something isn't right again. In view of the fact that I don't see what's in it for an obscure guy down in Chicago to play with so many people (except for, maybe, some hard to understand sick joy) one is inclined to think that this is maybe a way in which certain party-line groups are trying to demoralize, to burn out, to punish and discourage through constantly getting them in a dead-end, the "wide-eyed enthusiasts" who are "deceiving themselves that they can build something non-scientific such as a perpetuum mobile". I smell a rat.

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #99 on: March 20, 2009, 05:07:25 AM »
Or, maybe the guy's just burnt out, not sure what to do and not used to all the requests, demands, and publicity.

It's been a whopping 24hrs since this came out and already he's answered several requests and given measurements. Have a little patience, man.

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #100 on: March 20, 2009, 05:19:32 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/user/MYLOW121363
showing a ruler and magnets.

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #101 on: March 20, 2009, 05:30:10 AM »
[also posted to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mylow_magmo and linked from the "latest developments section at http://peswiki.com/energy/MYLOW ]

Mylow just barely posted a video showing the rotor and stator magnets next to a Data Scan Ruler.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeijLKkuj_c

It looks like the rotor magnets are metric.

2 cm long x 1 cm x 1 cm, slightly tapered in the inside of the channel.

The stator magnets (he uses only one in his motor) are not rectangular but arced.  It looks like they are 1-1/32 inch long, 55/64 inches wide, ~5/8 from the base to the top of the arc, and ~1/2 inch to the bottom of the arc from the base (oriented like an up-side-down U).

In other news, Mylow phoned me this evening to say that the stator magnet has now diminished in magnetism to the point that the motor is no longer turning.

He stopped by the place he goes to get the stator magnet remagnetized this afternoon, to get permission to give out their name and address.  The preferred that he not do that since they are doing this as a favor to him, and they only want to receive commercial orders, but under those conditions, they may still allow him to give out the info.  They also told him (paraphrasing), "We can't keep remagnetizing your magnet for you.  It costs us a lot of money to run that machine and to maintain the hydrogen both."  They've been giving him a break on the price they've been charging him.  I encouraged him to let them know what he is doing, to see his videos, to inspire them to continue to help him out and be part of history in the making.

He said the alnico magnets in the rotor don't seem to be losing their magnetism at all.  Just the iron stator magnets.  He's looking to replace the iron stator magnet with something else that doesn't demagnetize so easily.

Once it's running again, he's pondering maybe taking this to the media.

I should mention that Milow also posted a video showing a review of his drawings from when he was in highschool back in the 1980s. Shows some nice-looking drawings he made, including of how the Johnson motor could be integrated into an engine block of a vehicle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzGAMUZCZZo

He was a pretty good draftsman, especially considering that he never took any drafting classes.

Sterling
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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #102 on: March 20, 2009, 05:51:46 AM »
This ones way too big for MyLow but shouldn't demagnetize.  Could be killer on a larger setup.  HJ made his stator magnets from 12 smaller sections.

http://www.supermagnetman.net/index.php?cPath=33&osCsid=84794a3082f99569300c24d52722da6e

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #103 on: March 20, 2009, 06:15:40 AM »
sterlinga
Ask him if he could get the company that magnetizes his magnet to map the gauss on one of the rotor magnets. Such would go a long way with all of this.

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