Author Topic: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim (Read 1191836 times)

Omnibus · « **Reply #165 on:** March 20, 2009, 06:44:07 PM »

@ramset,

See, the difference is, I've witnessed Finsrud's machine spinning. Conversely, I haven't seen Mylow's in person, let alone spinning as in the video. Oh, as for seeing a video of it showing it spinning I've seen numerous others too, including on coffee tables. Do you think they'd spin as advertised if you'd visited the claimant.

ramset · « **Reply #166 on:** March 20, 2009, 07:21:23 PM »

Omnibus
Fortunately sterlinga is on the case ,and it sounds like you will be able to ask questions real time ,to the inventor [quite soon]

Chet

canam101 · « **Reply #167 on:** March 20, 2009, 07:37:59 PM »

I hope Sterlinga can convince him to prop the camera on some cushions, and show the entire device from startup for about 10 minutes. I have a feeling mylow won't do it, even though he must know that nobody will believe a claim like this without seeing the device run continuously for a while, instead of for a few rotations, which is all he has shown so far.

I have never seen a camera so mishandled: I feel seasick after watching one of his videos, and am beginning to think the mishandling is deliberate.

It is hard to disagree with the fellow on the steorn forum who said:

Come on Grimer, of course he is lying. All he should do is to stay on that thing for a few minutes. Even if he canâ€™t figure that out by himself, Iâ€™m sure heâ€™s been asked repeatedly to do just that. Whatâ€™s with his dirty bed and his stupid drawings? Who cares? He makes no effort whatever to show that that thing is not a fake. Why is that disk so big and heavy? OK his brotherâ€™s got a foundry. But more likely itâ€™s because he wants it to spin longer. He has not shown a startup procedure clearly. Itâ€™s always his close-ups on the stupid magnets. No matter, none of that is important. All Iâ€™m asking is that he stays on it just for three minutes without jerking the camera around, while the entire device is in clear view. That shouldnâ€™t be too difficult.

Omnibus · « **Reply #168 on:** March 20, 2009, 07:46:28 PM »

Like I said, I'd rather have CLaNZeR, X00013, tao etc., with proven record in the field visit, helped by those who would be willing to contribute with funds (I already volunteered). In this way, if that's really worth it, we'll soon have replicas made and demonstrated. Recall, I was suggesting a similar thin when @alsetalokin's scam was going. To no avail, though. Who are these guys sterlinga organizes? What is their contribution to the field? Haven't heard anything about them. Maybe they go by handles in a forum like this but as names they are as obscure as can be. I don't know, I may be wrong, but that doesn't seem to me to be the best choice.

X00013 · « **Reply #169 on:** March 20, 2009, 07:49:23 PM »

I checked out the 1.04 video pretty good. The video contains four rotations. The first three are very clear, the fourth was to bad angled to be included, the first two roatations are 2.94 seconds, and the third 2.99, with not so great angle, so it might as well be 2.94 seconds. So in trying to figure this puzzle out in regards to Mylows claim that it has been going all night, the video supports his claim, in that 8.82 seconds and three rotations the wheel is not slowing down, at least not to the hundreds of a second.

canam101 · « **Reply #170 on:** March 20, 2009, 07:50:19 PM »

Maybe I am going over the top with suspicion, but when I watched the beginning of his video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzGAMUZCZZo&feature=channel_page

I had the impression that he lost the thread of his patter about his drawings, just before he panned left to show the spinning motor (for about 3 seconds), because he was so involved giving it a spin that he couldn't talk and spin at the same time.

Yeah, he's got to be a fake: nobody who does such detailed drawings and careful mechanical construction would fail to provide the most elementary evidence that he had something; ie, he would not fail to prop the camera on some cushions so that it showed the entire device, start the device going, and let it run for 3 or 5 or 10 minutes.

Omnibus · « **Reply #171 on:** March 20, 2009, 07:51:53 PM »

@canam101,

I was just gonna post text in the same vein. That whole issue will be settled solely by a visit, Recall I was suggesting to either someone reputable visit @alsetalokin or have him send his device to someone like @CLaNZeR. Nothing of the sort happened and the whole thing collapsed. If this present guy does not arrange for a visit by someone known to have worked in this area and capable to promptly reproduce the working device, it will collapse too and will go down in history as another ridiculous nonsense.

TechStuf · « **Reply #172 on:** March 20, 2009, 07:54:48 PM »

If a 'free energy driven star yacht' were to descend down upon you guys and revealed a few things to you, promising to share such toys as these, and much more in a short while, you would be content and fulfilled to share the experience and such truths with as many as would listen.

It is like watching men try and build a church in the devil's playground. They toil by day, only to have it torn down each night. Coming back to start over and over again in the sand, when a much more suitable foundation upon the rock is but a short distance away. Who here really thinks that a marginal energy trinket will swoop down as savior against ones as thoroughly compromised as these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_PAqT2JZOw

Many have been visited by the 'free energy driven star yacht'. He is the ARK, the door is still open yet a little while, and His name is Yeshua, Jesus Christ, who foretold that these days would come, and who would hold power for a short while. All of His promises being fulfilled to the Letter.

Men possessed of litte faith, prefer only those pursuits which provide reassurance that 'wee the people are all we need.' Or less....as in "I the individual, is all I need." And only trust the work of their own hands. Which is why empires are made to fall.

The hour is late....

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/sodom_&_gomorrah.htm

Quit worshipping creation and focus on the Creator, then all these things and much more will be added unto you.

God bless,

Mitchell

Omnibus · « **Reply #173 on:** March 20, 2009, 07:56:13 PM »

@X00013,

Did you try to get in touch with the guy and have him show you the motor working?

Reiyuki · « **Reply #174 on:** March 20, 2009, 08:09:20 PM »

Omnibus,

I see your point about going down the same old road with this 'open source replication'. The masses trying to reproduce such devices never seem to be exact (different wheel, magnets, etc) especially the more variables you add. (like ocmpmm/whipmag)

On the other hand, if he has a working model, we don't want to risk breaking it by permanently altering any variables (like popping off the magnets and putting them on a glass plate). The only way to do that is either by him making more models (using donated supplies perhaps?) or by us making them outselves.

Heck, I'd chop down some 24" acrylic plate into a circle and mail it in if I knew it'll help.

Omnibus · « **Reply #175 on:** March 20, 2009, 08:18:32 PM »

@Reiyuki,

Quote

(like ocmpmm/whipmag)

Don't even mention this stupidity. What an elaborate scam. A hillbilly used by a scammer to make the good people trying to do research look like fools. That's one of the most disgusting episodes in the history of the overunity devices and Steorn still allow it in their forum. Repulsive. If you think the current one is like that we should give it up at once, right at this moment.

PaulLowrance · « **Reply #176 on:** March 20, 2009, 08:46:09 PM »

What's the big deal here? Just let mylow do what he said he's going to try and do -->

1. Video the machine on a glass table. This will address one main issues.
2. Let a reputable and open-minded qualified scientist analyze his machine.

Until that happens, remain calm, don't get your hopes up, and just sit back and watch the show folks.

PL

rrintoul · « **Reply #177 on:** March 20, 2009, 08:54:40 PM »

If faked and the power source is hidden, then the closeups don't matter. If someone suggests he's spinning it with his hand in the closeups, please look carefully at 2:20 to 3:20 of video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqavYG6beSo. It would be almost unbelievably hard to spin it by hand so smoothly and with what seems to be so consistent with the magnets themselves pulling the disc. Especially while holding a video camera in the other hand?

canam101 · « **Reply #178 on:** March 20, 2009, 09:22:28 PM »

Quote from: rrintoul on March 20, 2009, 08:54:40 PM

If faked and the power source is hidden, then the closeups don't matter. If someone suggests he's spinning it with his hand in the closeups, please look carefully at 2:20 to 3:20 of video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqavYG6beSo. It would be almost unbelievably hard to spin it by hand so smoothly and with what seems to be so consistent with the magnets themselves pulling the disc. Especially while holding a video camera in the other hand?

I agree that looks very realistic, and it's hard to see how he could have spun it up by hand. On balance though, I still think it is a fake based on his reluctance to show the thing running for more than 10 or 20 seconds.

Let's see it running for 5 minutes and then it might be worth spending time and money on a replication (unless you just like trying this stuff out).

mpavenir · « **Reply #179 on:** March 20, 2009, 09:46:30 PM »

if it's faked I'm sure that he's using a small eletric motor hidden in the driveshaft.
there are some suspicious noises in his videos, but they could stem from the outside (cars, other eletric devices, etc). The only solution is, as sayed before, to visit this guy and :
- take some high quality shots and videos
- require to move the device and to start it by yourself
- take apart the device and take a detailed look at the driveshaft
and then you can replicate being pretty sure that you are not wasting your time/money !

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