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lostcauses10x

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #75 on: March 19, 2009, 07:17:33 PM »
From what I can see of the c magnets in the photos from the vids, they appear to be ceramic. Just my opinion. Even the one he called a graphite, and I asked if was a ferrite looks ceramic, which goes with he pulled it from a motor.

 Folks the reality of this is that direct information from this guy will need to be walked through carefully. The material used is what ever he could find. In other words he does not really know what they are.

 The full assembly of the plate and spindle will need to be got. This does appear a game of mass accelerated to a point it goes back through the lock position one sees him with in the short run magnet set up.




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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #76 on: March 19, 2009, 07:23:18 PM »
I remembered hearing Mylow describe in his video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqavYG6beSo that the U shaped Stator magnet was just a regular Iron magnet, I checked it again and at 5:13 he did say this so I thought I'd bring it up in case it's relevant to replications.

I've got a memo to ask Mylow about the composition and source of his stator magnet.  You may be right that he was referring to the rotor magnets only when saying he was sure they were alnico; because they were purchased together, recently.  He's had the stator magnet for a while.

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #77 on: March 19, 2009, 07:26:59 PM »
it is obvious that there are people replying on this site that their job
is to stir ppl away from truth by quoting wikipedia and science books
answering questions with so called sophisticated answers.
 there has been several ou machines on this site
i personally opened a thread such  a machine but it seems that ppl read but they don't get it
and it doesn't help that all this so called know it guys commenting  saying straight away hoax and scam.
OU is real and possible
i hope that ppl oped their heads for this possibility.
 
i want to congratulate this guy and the world . happy day!!

wattsup

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #78 on: March 19, 2009, 08:09:47 PM »
wattsup. again, why would he do that? What's in it for him to pull such scam on us? His five minutes of fame maybe or a sinister plot to exhaust the hopes of the community and turn the enthusiasts into an incentive-less, burnt out crowd of losers (as seems to be the goal of @alsetalokin's activity). What's your take on that?

@Omnibus

It is not a question of true or not, but simply my opinion of why I am somewhat reserved about it. I am not saying he is this or that. Just the facts on how one can view the video and based only on the video I personally could not justify putting in time and money on it. If the base was open and did not look soooooooooooo much like any electric motor housing, then OK, this is great. But given the sounds, the base, our already known efforts both personally and from everyone else on Earth that is fighting day after day with the sticky spot, all this put together gives me cause for concern. I hope to hell I am wrong, but I cannot deny what my gut tells me and after so much time on this Forum, having such a position is surely justifiable. Not against the person, but the substance.

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #79 on: March 19, 2009, 08:18:37 PM »
@wattsup
     
    Hey bud, hit the fridge for a cold one. Retire to the chair and the tele and enjoy the show.
There will be countless others that are already in the fray of things. Now that I know the C
mag orientation, that solves one of the problems. I will just make them. The horseshoe mag
I will have to hit ace for. But that done, I have all the needed things.  The outside of a AL bike
rim will do just fine for me.

thay

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #80 on: March 19, 2009, 08:51:26 PM »
Rather than Google for Alnico C Magnets try searching for Alnico Channel magnets.

The ones from the Arnold will need to be magnetised as spotted by someone else further down on page 9.

Cheers

Sean.

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #81 on: March 19, 2009, 08:53:29 PM »
Welcome back Sean.

CLaNZeR

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #82 on: March 19, 2009, 08:55:52 PM »
Welcome back Sean.

Thanks Broli , you know I never miss a good party  ;D

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #83 on: March 19, 2009, 10:28:12 PM »
I still hope this is real....

Could someone who is in communication with Mylow ask him what is on the back side of the Stator magnet?   It appears to be a small raised cover to the magnet on the back side..   You can clearly see it at 2:27 as well as, many other frames where he closes in on the stator.    One of my students looked at the video and said it was an access to the battery (watch size) for a pulsing electromagnet.    Look close, and you also see a white dot on the bottom part of the small raised back cover.    I ask my middle school students to view this video and tell me if they see anything that looked fake.   Kids sometimes see what we do not.

Bill   

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Another Phone Chat with Milow
« Reply #84 on: March 19, 2009, 10:49:38 PM »
I spoke with Mylow again today.
 
He confirmed that the stator magnet is an iron-based magnet, not alnico.  He said he also got it from the Science & Surplus store, but it was 10-15 years ago.  He said it looks like it's been molded into its arc shape.  He said he has had it re-magnetized twice now, and that it costs around $60 each time he does it.  He said he'd get me the address of the company that does this for him.
 
He noted that the magnet is yet weaker today, and the rotor is spinning slower today than it was last night.  He estimated that it loses about 1/2 rpm every hour or two.
 
This morning when I talked to him, he reiterated his suggestion that people refer to the photo of Howard Johnson's motor in Popular Science from the early '80's.
http://www.newebmasters.com/freeenergy/sm-pg47.html
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I've been urging him to not make any modifications the present design, as it belongs in a museum.  He understands that principle.
 

Someone asked me for my subjective assessment of Mylow and his claim.  My assessment is that this is very probably the real deal.  His video is convincing, his personality is inconsistent with a profile of a shyster or a prankster, his design makes sense to me.  I do not believe in "perpetual motion" as in energy coming from nowhere; the energy is coming from somewhere, and most likely requires a local imbalance to be set up in order to harness some kind of environmental magnetic effect, like pulling the plug on a bathtub to get the vortex drain action going.
 
I think he plans on shooting more video this evening to upload to YouTube.  One of those will be showing the device running on a glass table.

He's considering the possibility of having someone come in to verify this as a witness.
 
Sterling

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Re: Another Phone Chat with Milow
« Reply #85 on: March 19, 2009, 11:10:00 PM »
I think he plans on shooting more video this evening to upload to YouTube.  One of those will be showing the device running on a glass table.

He's considering the possibility of having someone come in to verify this as a witness.

Now that's good news!

PL

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #86 on: March 19, 2009, 11:17:37 PM »
sterlinga, I don't want to start another war here but I must note that your statement: "as in energy coming from nowhere; the energy is coming from somewhere" is unfounded if you mean that there is some preexisting energy reservoir which is being tapped to turn the motor. There is not a shred of evidence to support that.

On the contrary, there is all the evidence, and it has been proven beyond doubt, that in these machines energy which turns the rotor does not come from a pre-existing energy reservoir. Here's how it works: Proper construction of the motor allows for the magnetic force to induce displacement. Pre-existing magnetic force is not energy, neither is the displacement alone.
Force over distance is. No pre-existing energy reservoir and yet there's energy which drives the rotor.

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #87 on: March 19, 2009, 11:19:58 PM »
Ok, this one has got my interest (been a while since I built a magnet motor design). Now the most annoying this here is wading through pages and pages of people reiterating their belief he's a fraud. Could all you people just find something else to investigage, because to you this is a dead issue. Maybe it's a fraud any maybe it's not, either way anyone building a replication will learn a bit more about magnetic interactions regardless as they build, because it's all experience. And everyone making demands on what mylow should and shouldn't demonstrate - back off, it's not like he's built this to purely show off, if he's been working on these kinds of things for years I'm sure he's got his own personal reasons for wanting to do this, and will want to build more and try more new things, rather than sit around proving it works to everyone else. Let him do his thing, and have patience.

Now onto the fun stuff. Obviously engineering style measurement practices aren't mylow's forte, which I can't complain about. All to many engineers are so stiff an unimaginative that they would never try something like this (I like to think of myself as an artistic engineer).
I'm already about half way through drawing a scale model of his unit in mech desktop based on the photos, and the rough dimensions we've been given should help me make it more accurate overall. We really can't hope to accurately replicate it yet, as mylow said the spacing of the magets is critical, which I would believe, but the measurements are pretty sketchy (just under 1/4"?). So I'll try to finish a design I'm confidant is accurate to his model, and then work from there.

And another thing to remember is the aluminium probably plays a key role. It is far far from non-magnetic, is it strongly paramagnetic. Have you tried dropping a magnet down a hollow aluminium tube - it's freaky. Basically aluminium acts as a magnetic damper, it'll kind of oppose any moving magnetic field. This would complicate the magnetic fields around the stator with the base moving under it, as well as the aluminium strip with the moving c magnets under it. Also, these would have to be included in a femm model for it to be accurate (if anyone wanted to belive femm anyway, which I don't personally).

Anyway, I'll work on my design some more during lunch break.

Andrew

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #88 on: March 19, 2009, 11:31:43 PM »
Something that has crossed my mind is how Howard was able to to get those magnets with small enough tolerances, so his perfectly calculated shapes and orders of the magnets made this motor working. So either there isn't that hard to replicate if there is room for tolerances, or it is almost impossible to replicate. What are the odds for the magnets to be within maybe +/- 0,1% tolerance? Most magnets, at least back then, couldn't have that small tolerances. So lucky for us, it shouldn't be that hard to replicate something close to Howards design AND make it work.

Vidar

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #89 on: March 20, 2009, 12:23:19 AM »
I'd like to thank Mylow for his persistent work and hopes things don't get too crazy with questions/demands.

Sterling, thanks for such quick and quantitative work in bringing this forward.  From experiment to video to tests and measurements in a matter of days, this experiment is moving much faster than the rest.

Cheers, mates, keep up the good work.  Here's hoping for a replication :)
« Last Edit: March 20, 2009, 01:15:29 AM by Reiyuki »