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Offline h20power

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #195 on: February 23, 2011, 11:30:17 AM »
Hi H20power so what can one do to increase electrolysis in a cell? A guy said to put an oscillator near the cell. I am using tha lawton circuit now but if you have other ideas I would like to hear.
Thanks

Hi,
What you want it to do is ionized the water, for you do not want any electrolysis going on at all. Once you get the water to ionized just like creating ozone, water starts to lose electrons. An atom can lose a few electrons and remain the atom it is, but not a molecule for by losing electrons makes the molecule become unstable and break apart for it can no longer satisfy the Octet Rule.
In order to do this the charging choke must have a greater capacitance than the capacitor that is to be charged. In order to get higher voltages the resistance of the circuit has too increase. In patent 4789661 in the drawings you will see a variable resistor just after the negative electrode and the ground. The resistor is 60n, and in the patent Meyer tells us that with increased voltages the resistance has to go up. This raises the "Breakdown Point" and at the same time cuts the amps going to the system. The 8xa circuit can be modified with a Lawton circuit so your in luck  ;).  As you raise the voltage more water is broken down by way of increased ionization. That is the key to Meyer's water breakdown method, high resistance to keep the amps low and high voltage to ionize the water molecules thus ejecting very electrons it needs to keep it in a stable state.

There is no normal electrolysis taking place in the method Meyer employed. By increasing voltage/resistance you increase the amount of gas produced.

Hope that helped some,

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #195 on: February 23, 2011, 11:30:17 AM »

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #196 on: February 23, 2011, 01:20:55 PM »
I dont think that was the pat number you were looking to post.You might want to check that.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #197 on: February 23, 2011, 01:51:41 PM »
Wiki is nice enough to pile them all up in a bunch at the end of their page on Stan.
 U.S. Patent 5,149,407,U.S. Patent 4,936,961,U.S. Patent 4,826,581,U.S. Patent 4,798,661,U.S. Patent 4,613,779,U.S. Patent 4,613,304,U.S. Patent 4,465,455,U.S. Patent 4,421,474,U.S. Patent 4,389,981
 I would still use pat2pdf to read them and would not be to shocked if one day it does not come out that these patents have been altered.Should still be enough to work off of to play around with it.Dont forget the cited patents with in the individual patents.that may lead you to an easier way to get it done.Most inventors have to create a more complex method to avoid infringment on previous works.Work your way backwards and it likely paints a simple picture requiring little effort or work.
 

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #198 on: February 23, 2011, 02:00:19 PM »
Hi,
What you want it to do is ionized the water, for you do not want any electrolysis going on at all. Once you get the water to ionized just like creating ozone, water starts to lose electrons. An atom can lose a few electrons and remain the atom it is, but not a molecule for by losing electrons makes the molecule become unstable and break apart for it can no longer satisfy the Octet Rule.
In order to do this the charging choke must have a greater capacitance than the capacitor that is to be charged. In order to get higher voltages the resistance of the circuit has too increase. In patent 4789661 in the drawings you will see a variable resistor just after the negative electrode and the ground. The resistor is 60n, and in the patent Meyer tells us that with increased voltages the resistance has to go up. This raises the "Breakdown Point" and at the same time cuts the amps going to the system. The 8xa circuit can be modified with a Lawton circuit so your in luck  ;).  As you raise the voltage more water is broken down by way of increased ionization. That is the key to Meyer's water breakdown method, high resistance to keep the amps low and high voltage to ionize the water molecules thus ejecting very electrons it needs to keep it in a stable state.

There is no normal electrolysis taking place in the method Meyer employed. By increasing voltage/resistance you increase the amount of gas produced.

Hope that helped some,

h2opower


Hi H20power thanks for the info first of all I don't know how much voltage the lawton circuit can hold. Second I have a 12v battery bank so I should do an inverter to higher voltage say 48v. Is this dangerous for an arc happening in water?.
Thanks

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #199 on: February 23, 2011, 11:13:00 PM »
HI Everyone,
Yeah that was a typo, sorry about that should be 4798661.
As for getting sparks in between the gaps that is what Meyer's definition of Amp Leakage means, which is also the dielectric breakdown of the medium. So the resistance is there to prevent all of that from happening. In order for an arc to occur it needs some amps behind it, and Meyer tried to take all of the amps away from the system as much as he could. For again the object is to ionize the water by preventing any Dr. Faraday type electrolysis from taking place. Just like something that makes ozone from the air Meyer did the same thing to water. He ionized it to remove electrons which in turn causes the water molecules to break down into their component atoms.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #200 on: February 24, 2011, 05:49:51 AM »
Didn't Meyer say that in his VIC circuit at resonance the pulses are doubled?
Please some one point me to that note.

This is all I have found by myself but I think it is something significant:

Memo WFC 426:
...outputting Voltage-wave signal
(64a xxx 64n) being a pulse-frequency doubler due to Inductance Reactance (FL) of Inductor Coil .....

and


Inductance Reactance performs several functions simultaneously or to given stimuli: increases applied voltage amplitude (Vo - Vn), doubles input frequency....

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #201 on: February 24, 2011, 07:48:05 AM »
What is the simplest setup I can make as an experiment?

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #202 on: February 24, 2011, 10:23:18 AM »
Hi Again,
The easiest one to build is the 8xa circuit just be sure to add in the 60n variable resistors as shown in the patent.

As for the doubling of frequency that is due to the two charging chokes L1 & L2. L1 is a LC circuit and L2 is a LCR circuit. The wave form coming into the blocking diode from the secondary coil is an AC sin wave that is cut into a half wave by the blocking diode. Once the pulse terminates in L1 the magnetic field collapses inducing a charge on L2 which sends it's induced pulse AC sin wave to the secondary, acting as a resistor, to the blocking diode. The pulse is 180 degrees out of phase so it fills in the half wave coming from the first pulse of the secondary coil. When you look at it on a scope it looks like it double the frequency, but it is two separate charges you are seeing from L1 and L2.

Hope that helps,
h2opower

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #203 on: February 24, 2011, 11:06:32 AM »
Do you have a working system powering an actual vehicle h20power?

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #204 on: February 24, 2011, 11:29:29 AM »
Do you have a working system powering an actual vehicle h2opower?

I wasn't going too, but since gas prices are suppose to be headed to around $150-$200 a barrel I think I should go ahead and convert me Scirocco & Jetta over to a water car now as I won't have Meyer other technologies up in time before the increase in fuel prices hit. I have to work on the circuit a bit to get it to work with the two cars, but I have other plans in the works for other types of vehicles coming in the future. These I will promote with my company as Meyer's technology is vast in giving things energy independence.

h2opower

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #205 on: February 24, 2011, 12:36:46 PM »
Our local fuel prices are at 3.15 a gal and it's still under 100 a barrel. If that doubles in this economy it would get very ugly in about a NY minute. On the other hand it makes more sense to curb consumption then to let people realize there is not enough oil to meet demand and peak oil has already been reached. That would insight panic and hording of pretty much everything.
 Think about how many products depend on the petro chemical side of the coin. With most of the economies being in the tank right now manufacturing is down not just transportation. It can never go back to the hay day and it will only slip backwards if it can not be maintained at present levels.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2011, 01:28:44 PM by Doug1 »

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #206 on: February 24, 2011, 12:35:07 PM »
I would think this one would be easiest to work off of.It seems to be based losely on the frame work of an automotive alternator for the power supply.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #207 on: February 24, 2011, 02:39:58 PM »
I dont know how that happened not supposed to have been a double image.Here is another one with some drawings of an alternator Y configuration ebedded onto the other image.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #208 on: February 24, 2011, 03:21:23 PM »
The secret of Meyer is the VIC and how it is pulsed.

Understanding the principals is more important than schematics.

Does anyone have a VIC for sale?

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #209 on: February 24, 2011, 07:11:54 PM »
The secret of Meyer is the VIC and how it is pulsed.

Understanding the principals is more important than schematics.

Does anyone have a VIC for sale?

That's not all that true. The secret of the VIC Matrix Circuit is realizing that the primary and the chokes have the same inductance and that the secondary and the electrode pair have match capacitances. The reason for this is when the primary goes into resonance it does so with the secondaries distributed capacitance value. The chokes go into resonance with the electrode pairs, one chokes set per electrode pair, no sharing. The important thing in that set is the chokes must have a greater capacitance than the electrode pair it is hooked up to. Reason is very clear, when the pulse terminates in the chokes if their energy storage capabilities is lower than that of the electrode pair then the electrode pair will go to fill the chokes with energy. If the chokes have a greater energy storage capabilities than the electrode pair then when the pulse terminates the energy stored in the chokes will go to fill the electrode pair it is connected to.

Just about everyone I have seen building VIC transformers hasn't given this any thought. For voltage is pressure, correct? Then the device holding the greatest pressure will go to fill the device with the lower pressure once the main pressure coming from the power supply is turned off, correct? It really is that simple. All the misinformation put out on this technology was done to keep this technology out of our hands. All it took for me to figure this out was to do the experiments for myself not listening to those screaming the loudest about this technology. Build, test, and note the results following scientific principles and guidelines. The biggest hurdle that I over came was that of Lindemann's video telling everyone that it was a "Catastrophic Dielectric Failure," for it is not a dielectric failure of the medium what so ever. The medium is being ionized and keeping it's dielectric properties intact is of utmost importance to getting this to work correctly, and now that we know that amp leakage means keeping the dielectric properties of water intact we can go places for the questions you come up with now are heading in the right direction.

As far as VIC's for sale it really doesn't work that way as it has to be sold as a match set. Each VIC transformer has to be matched with the electrode pair it is to charge. One VIC per electrode pair which is seen clearly in Meyer's videos showing 10 tube sets with 10 VIC transformers to charge them. And as far as I know no one is selling any matched sets. This has to be a grass roots effort and as such it is the responsibilities of each blade of grass to grow with what they have been given to grow with.

Things everyone will have to learn are;
1. How to calculate distributed capacitance of a coil.
2. How to calculate coupling capacitance of a bifilar coil set.
3. How a LC circuit works.
4. How a LCR circuit works.
5. How to calculate the capacitance of an electrode set regardless of what medium flows through it.

When you go about the patents looking for how this works ask these questions:
1. What has changed from this earlier design to the next one?
2. Where/what did the main parts of the system get moved too or replaced by?
3. What is different and what remained the same?

Asking these questions starting from patent 4798661 you can see that the whole power supply of the 8xa circuit got moved to the secondary of the VIC transformer. The 60n resistors got replaced  with resistance wire. How was the pulsing coming from the rectified AC by way of the variact, replace? Answer. By the bifilar coil action to give the same charging capabilities of the original system. What replaced the variact's variable voltage control? Answer. A high side PWM for the most part.

As you can see if you ask the right questions it will lead one to solve this technology. So you see you have to learn to ask the right questions to solve this technology. I have ask these questions and more on all of Meyer technologies, and have the answers to most of them. Sure it took awhile but in the end I now understand what this technology is and what it is not. For it matters not how much time something takes to learn but when that time comes around you have learned it. For time is out of our control and will take place rather we learn this technology or not.

h2opower

 

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