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Author Topic: Stanley Meyer Explained  (Read 207111 times)

Offline TheCell

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #255 on: June 21, 2013, 01:42:11 PM »

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #256 on: June 22, 2013, 05:26:20 AM »
Thanks for the links Cell!

Interesting characters on that boat forum.

You won't get an argument out of me concerning what effects a 22,3 GHz electromagnetic signal might have on water.  I have little useable knowledge for working with those frequencies, other than the methods are more technical and less forgiving.  A lot of precision goes into circuitry capable of operating at those frequencies since stray capacitance has a big impact on operation, let alone performance.  And, one certainly doesn't want to carry any antique flash bulbs in one's pockets when working around that type of equipment.

Meyer's methods operate at lower frequencies, and so, don't need RF shielding.

Meyer appears to have found a more forgiving way of applying leverage at the molecular level.  It doesn't require high precision or power.  Meyer's methods appear to be based on leverage against an entrained target, and regauging after that target has been dismantled.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #257 on: June 22, 2013, 06:59:26 PM »
Puharich was the predecessor of Stanley Meyer and mentions this frequency in the yt vid, which he generates by and 'highly nonlinear load' , that means he is generating this frequency by harmonics of a much lower frequency.


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« Reply #257 on: June 22, 2013, 06:59:26 PM »
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #258 on: June 23, 2013, 10:27:48 AM »
Would be great if I could find documentation, pictures, and diagrams detailing how one might replicate Puharich's technology.

I read what I could find of Puharich's work some years ago, but don't recall finding anything that went into much depth.  Time and mileage take their toll on memories, so if I did find information that illuminated a clear path to success, afraid I'm not able to recall it, and apparently, I also failed to act on it.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #259 on: June 24, 2013, 07:23:40 PM »
I remember when the Ravi story originally came out, and everyone was hoping to find the reason why their attempts at replicating Meyer's technology had failed.  Everyone poured over the pictures, circuitry, and what little documentation was forthcoming, but to no avail.  Ravi appeared to have stumbled upon success with no rational explanation.  I'm convinced that even Ravi couldn't duplicate his own success since he couldn't adequately explain what he did that was different.

If one goes back and looks at all the material Meyer produced concerning his successful models, you'll find early models where he was using 3 electrodes.   In my research, I believe I have found the reason he used 3 electrodes.  I have discovered that water molecules bind together to form conduction paths, and as long as current continues to flow through these conduction paths, the molecules stay aggressively locked within these paths, and will resist making new paths.  Thus Meyer's statements concerning the insulative qualities of water.  No one could understand why Meyer would make such statements, since everyone knows water conducts electricity.  I believe this is the key to Meyer's success which everyone has overlooked.

As one continues down this path of reasoning, a sequence of events have to take place to break down water.
1) Apply a 1st electric potential that will lock the water molecules into a configuration that makes them vulnerable to perpendicular forces.
2) Apply a 2nd electric potential perpendicular to the configuration of the conduction paths formed in step 1.
3) Once a number of molecules have broken, and free molecules re-align with the 2nd electric potential, shut down the 2nd electric potential.
4) repeat step 1.

Each of Meyer's models which involves electrodes submerged in water use this method or sequence of events.
Thus the need for pulsing electricity to the electrodes.
It's similar to the domino effect.
If one wants to demonstrate the domino effect, steps have to be taken.
Set the dominos up in a predetermined configuration.
Apply a force in a direction that is calculated to take advantage of a known weakness and the dominos fall.


This was copied from above:
"The way Meyer's technology works is just like an ozone generator that makes use of an ionizing electrical field for the most part. An ozone generator draws in O2 molecules and breaks them down into monatomic Oxygen gas atoms by way of ionization. Nothing comes together inside of the ionizing electrical field but once these monatomic gases are back in our atmosphere they quickly find O2 molecules to form O3 with. Meyer's technology is just about the same but this time water molecules H2O are being separated by way of ionization. Unlike O2 molecules these atoms need to be sparked off in order to recombine but they are broken down in the exact same way.Now to prevent these monatomic gas atoms from reaching a stable state longer the electrons are taken away from the system by the electron extraction circuit. This is how Meyer's technology actually works no BS. The atoms within the water molecules are ionized and those electrons furthest away from the protons are the first in line to get stripped away from the atoms, but in this case those atoms have the job of holding the water molecules together. Now the water molecules can withstand to lose one electron and remain intact, part of it's own self ionization properties, but the loss of two and it simply falls apart into its component atoms hydrogen and oxygen."


This is a layman's explanation of just how Meyer's technology actually works, sorry I can't go into more details than this but again this is how it truly works. Note this technology is very different from Dr. Faraday's electrolysis method. It has taken me several years to figure out the science behind the patents and now I am ready to bring this technology to market and have started a crowdfunding campaign so that I can get the funding needed to get the wheels of manufacturing going: [size=78%]http://www.newenergyfunding.com/campaign/detail/985[/size]


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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #259 on: June 24, 2013, 07:23:40 PM »
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #260 on: June 29, 2013, 05:53:02 PM »
h20power,

You sir have hit the nail squarely on the head!
And, both you and myself are correct!
I am just attacking this technology from another valid aspect.
Yes, the water molecules have to be ionized to weaken the covalent bond.
Yes, water molecules line up to conduct electrons, and once entrained, will resist conducting elsewhere.

Many theories and technologies were required to make the internal combustion engine operate.
Mechanical, chemical, electrical, thermal.
One could argue that it's the thermal theories and technology that makes an engine work, and they would be correct.
But, leave the other theories and technology out, and you don't have an viable product.
Same here.  We just haven't figured out how everything fits together to make a viable product.

Meyers bifilar wound transformer created ions.  Meyers spoke of resonance.  People have incorrectly assumed Meyers might be referring to molecular or atomic resonance, but Meyers was speaking of the resonance of his circuitry with water being a part of his circuit, and the way Meyers used water in his circuit made it one half of the physical makeup of a capacitor. 

A capacitor has two plates or bodies, and it's the difference in charge between these two bodies and their individual capacities which makes them useful electrically. 

There are two ways to increase capacitance:
1) Bring the two bodies close together to create and electric field.
2) Increase the mass of the bodies.

The electrical stresses that can be applied to an inductor are limited not by the larger body, but by the smaller body involved in the makeup of the capacitor.  In Meyers circuitry, the total mass of his water cell is the lesser of the two bodies making up the capacitor that determines the resonant frequency of his circuit.

Most people have thought Meyers was referring to the capacitance that existed between the two electrodes that were immersed in the water, but that's wrong.  The resonance of Meyers circuit depended on the size of the inductor in conjunction with the mass of the watercell, and the watercell was the lesser of the two bodies that made up the capacitance used in Meyers circuit.  So, one end of Meyers inductor connected to the watercell, and the other end of Meyers inductor connected to the earth or the body of a car, and the watercell was the lesser of the two masses.  The less water one has in the watercell, the higher the resonant frequency of Meyers circuit, the more water one has in the watercell, the lower the resonant frequency of Meyers circuit.

And too, the larger the inductor, the higher the voltage, and the lower the frequency of Meyers circuit.  I am not of the opinion that a higher voltage is entirely needed since one only needs to create ions in the general vicinity of the electrodes, and once those ions have been created, one only needs to place a sufficient differential voltage across the two electrodes to create the electric field needed to break the water molecule.

-Roger

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #261 on: June 30, 2013, 04:28:27 AM »
Everyone knows what Meyers circuitry looks like where the VIC is applied to the watercell.

This image is an attempt at making things a little clearer concerning the resonant portion of the Meyers circuit.

All conductive components of the watercell make up the total mass of the lesser half of the capacitor that the inductor is connected to.  The earth or car body make up the greater half of the capacitor.

The watercell only has so many available electrons that can be moved into or out of it's mass, thus this is the functional value of the capacitor made up of earth and the watercell, and thus the greater influence on the inductor and the resonant frequency of this circuit.

Meyers VIC is bifilar wound, but these windings are in paralllel, and while they function as a single inductor concerning resonance, they also serve as separate conductors to apply a differential voltage to two separate electrodes in order to create the electric field needed to break the ionized water molecules at the very point in time where those water molecules are entrained in conduction paths, conducting electrons from the rest of the water in the watercell.

Effect and timing creating a synergistic effect culminating in the efficient dissassembly of water molecules into their constituent components.

Meyer didn't appear to have an effective way of explaining the theory and methods behind his technology, or, he was attempting to keep his methods from being discovered, or maybe even he didn't understand his own technology.  He has certainly made things difficult for us to benefit from his discoveries.

-Roger


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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #262 on: June 30, 2013, 06:28:44 PM »
What if frequency does have some critical role to play in breaking down the water molecule?

By all accounts, it has nothing to do with molecular or atomic frequencies/resonance, and everything to do with circuit/electronic resonance.

Case in point, the clue Bob Boyce stumbled upon, where, in racing boats, he was using an electrolyzer, and a rectifier in his alternator shorted, and thereafter. when he reached certain engine RPM's, the output frequencies of the alternator power production, would cause massive amounts of hydroxy to be produced, and his boat would really take off!

What if?

My clues to opportunity have always been when someone says "It can't be done".
It's the edge of the map, where no one knows what exists....

Give the attached image some consideration.

Who knows, what might happen, if the full wave bridge rectifier was removed, and the resonant frequency line was crossed?

Are you at all curious??

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #263 on: July 01, 2013, 08:03:09 AM »
<By all accounts, it has nothing to do with molecular or atomic frequencies/resonance, and everything to do with circuit/electronic resonance.>
I think the information Puharich gave is more correct. Why should he lie about this frequency 22GHz.
He mentioned it because he found out while doing research.


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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #264 on: July 01, 2013, 03:34:03 PM »
Hi everyone,

I've manage to split tap water(cheap) using only 1watt of power 5v x 200mA  .This is still at fine tuning stage to observe bubbles production first using lower power before increasing power.


Please check my videos.Please download video and replicate.Just in case it's gone.
Recently i have discovered and fix a stability flaw with original Dave Lawton Phase Lock Loop circuit.I have posted in comment in my youtube channel.

http://www.youtube.com/user/sanjev21

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #265 on: July 03, 2013, 10:20:09 AM »
<By all accounts, it has nothing to do with molecular or atomic frequencies/resonance, and everything to do with circuit/electronic resonance.>
I think the information Puharich gave is more correct. Why should he lie about this frequency 22GHz.
He mentioned it because he found out while doing research.

Cell,

I apologize for not making that statement correctly.  <By all accounts, the technology/methods of Meyers/Boyce have nothing to do with molecular or atomic frequencies/resonance, and everything to do with circuit/electronic resonance.>

It's now obvious,  I incorrectly assumed that in a discussion named "Re: Stanley Meyer Explained", any statement made which didn't directly name another person/method/technology would be interpreted as directly applicable to Meyers methods/technology.

My mistake...Please forgive.

-Roger

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #266 on: July 03, 2013, 04:14:11 PM »
Hi everyone,

I have just uploaded a final video to show how to modify the "Dave Lawton's Phase Lock Loop circuit" in order to improve circuit stability and also to increase HHO production.(Please refer to my video on how to condition WFC first.4th week now)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhT9oF_2kek

This time i noticed the circuit is able to function as low as 4volts with Input current:100mA Power:0.4watt to split tap water.(Such a low voltage is not really necessary,but merely to observe bubble production on tap water)
Interesting thing to note the mosfet do not get really hot to the touch even at 2.5Amp using fix 12 volts supply.

 Next video provided if i am free.I will try to show how to connect up a HHO blow torch(around 2800C or 5000F)  to this WFC to power my small stirling engine generator.

"Please download video just in case and replicate"

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #267 on: July 05, 2013, 03:25:27 PM »
    Ionizing radiation such as ultraviolet light in an electric field.   The electric field appears to be able to accelerate electrically charged particles like electrons.   If you initiate an electron cascade event in water vapor injected between two plates of a capacitor the accelerating electric field causes impact ionization.  It also decreases electron recombination.  As electrons bombard the anode it will cause space charge to build up around the anode unless they tunnel through the anode and slow down in what Tesla called a translatory device like a motor or resistor.  The products of the ionization of water vapor are monatomic oxygen and monatomic hydrogen.   The atoms after leaving the electrically stressed electron depleted zone will form various "excited" states of molecules.  Such as O3-O4-H-h2-oh-h3-.   In the presence of nitrogen you will get various recombination products like nitrates-nitrous oxidides-etc.   This recombination process is exothermic and will cause the fuel mixture to become heated and "burn" in the piston which increase the molecular kinetic energy.  In a confined vessel like a piston at tdc the increased molecular kinetic energy causes an increase in cylinder pressure as compared to crankcase pressure.   It is the conversion of electron motion within the atoms to macroscopic motion of a group of atoms we call a car.  Electron velocity within an atom 30 million miles per hour.  Free electron velocity in a car 60 miles an hour.  When you intensify voltage you are basically causing the force carried by electrically charged particles to work upon your area of interest.  Tesla built a voltage intensifier circuit that relies on producing standing waves within a resonant electrical configuration.  By impressing oscillations at the resonant frequency of a tank the tank saves the input force by increasing the amplitude of the standing wave.   The electrostatic potential between node and antidnode of the standing wave produces intense accelerating electric fields.   Tesla produced his tanks by careful attention to the capacitance and inductance of a coil.  By pulsing the coil at it's resonant frequency the coil offered infinite impedance to passage of electrical force through it.   So the force impressed, however meager accumulates, and the voltage between node and antinode (terminals of the coil) goes sky high.  This is like having the output of a huge step-up transformer terminating in open air.   There is no secondary current but it will sure as hell induce one in your body if you get between it and a free electron source.
   Voltage is a measure of force.  It is like using a lever.  You want to move a huge rock with just little old you.  You increase the force on your object at the sacrafice of time.  You will have to move the lever for a long time using the little gravitational force field you have.  You accumulate the force in the short end of the lever.



     sm in further refinements would use the hydrogen gas electric force field to not form water.    This is the equivalent of running a fuel cell without forming water.  Why would you take a whole bunch of protons and combine them with an element that creates a ground state molecule?  You take the protons-insulate them-allow the electric field to accelerate electrons towards them and divert the acclerated electrons into a copper collector to force electrons through an isolated working circuit.  Shed the velocity increase doing work instead of forming water.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #268 on: November 02, 2013, 04:42:09 AM »
A video to help get this technology out to the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWhQusfWuac


Enjoy everyone  8)


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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #269 on: November 02, 2013, 06:21:04 PM »
H20power
Thank you for sharing this tech ,really looking forward to studying this and understanding your data !
the claims seem quite amazing!
very nice Presentation .
 
Chet

 

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