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Tesluh

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7470 on: October 11, 2016, 04:22:54 PM »
and if anyone reading this hasn't figured it out already, lancaIV is providing some kind of attempt (possibly automated) to derail any conversation that deals with figuring out how devices like this can be built and put to use.  Notice the cryptic language, unrelated links (usually .pt addresses) and text that looks like it was cut and pasted.  there will also usually be some black and red highlighted text (for no particular reason) in posts from lancaIV...

Bob Smith

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7471 on: October 12, 2016, 01:22:16 AM »
Mags,
It does seem strange, compared to the usual Tesla-type setups, with the primary usually on the outside.
One thing I noticed, and I'm not sure...
- it looks like the upper secondary (over the primary) and the lower secondary are wound in opposite directions, but without seeing it from another angle, I can't be sure.  If that's the case, do we get the two oppositely wound coils essentially cancelling out each other's mag fields and putting out a lot voltage, like the series bifi coil?

If that's the case, then I'm assuming it would need to be stepped down to a useable level.
FWIW,
Bob

Tesluh

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7472 on: October 12, 2016, 02:18:03 AM »
after studying that device closely (never saw a video of that actual one in use), the outer secondary is all wound the same way, Barker and Williamson RF coil 17 turns each half joined in the center.  Roughly 160 in long.  the primary inside wound opposite from the outside, roughly 6 wraps plus tails about 80 inches of wire roughly.  doing the same thing has produced some results for me in that the secondary shows activity when the primary is powered up.  waiting on capacitor bank and some other components but still don't have what I would call an exact schematic yet.  so many variations of this device and none of them I have seen convincingly doing what it has been claimed to do. 

Tesluh

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7473 on: October 12, 2016, 04:25:38 AM »
Just came across this written by "zilano"  in 2011
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-To get overunity the input must be low(thin primary-high impedance) and secondary output(low
impedance) high amps. this is the magic behind dons circuits. but don never disclosed this magic
trick. people who saw dons designs made primary thick and secondary thin they had failures in
output power. underunity. or unity. i call this REVERSE TESLA COIL. MAKE primary as
secondary and secondary as primary. kapanadse got this idea and u can see his green box coil is
based on don circuit. see my attachment in one of my posts dons smith pdf dated 1994 bottom
circuit. the 6A coil 6 turns is same as dons circuit.

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Sounds like I have my coils made backward and that the ones in dons photo would be wrong as well.  on a tesla coil the primary is thick and secondary is thin.  the difference between 10ga and 16 ga is about 4 times the cross sectional area.  the difference between 8 ga and 14 ga is about the same as well 4 times difference).  instead of 16 ga secondary and 10 ga primary I think I will try opposite, with 16 ga primary 4 times longer than secondary to keep same weight of copper in each.  Still not positive about the 2 pc secondary if the weight/length needs to be of the whole 2 pc section or each half.  this video is what I think my next coil arrangement is going to look like. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBYdqSrJssU


lancaIV

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7474 on: October 14, 2016, 01:53:32 AM »
and if anyone reading this hasn't figured it out already, lancaIV is providing some kind of attempt (possibly automated) to derail any conversation that deals with figuring out how devices like this can be built and put to use.  Notice the cryptic language, unrelated links (usually .pt addresses) and text that looks like it was cut and pasted.  there will also usually be some black and red highlighted text (for no particular reason) in posts from lancaIV...


I am LancaIV,forum member Tesluh,and I am member since +/_ 2005 here and I did not changed my thinking and mention since this time !
I can deliver here copies from forum member posts which shows that we have been 2006 in this energy -overunity gain- device exploration stage and that not very many members remarked this !


Are you using an automatic translator ? I not ! I have learned English at school and clearly -I make
orthographical faults-from wrong defined orthografical definition view,because I use this language from ancient latin/portugueses + anglo/saxonic manner kind,something similar esperanto.


Did you never thought that the translator program(m)-s are seldom static,
these becomes updated/upgrated and probably with later wrong left-right and right-left thinking/writtings and logical content  translation,so no I but the translator program "worlks wrong" and let me seen by your eyes and feeling like a "saboteur/MIB or such synonyms" ,which are given to people or groups whose want to help and explorate good and sensitive science results,approved and probably Nobel-prize-awarded to the forum and members ( vulgo "VFolk").


Are you well educated,Tesluh ?
It can be that I am by my mother and family members,by teachers and many much more people and organizations up to the U.N.Organisation information archive content !


Tesluh,I am not a "MIB", but ------hmmmmmm, : ? and you ?! 8)  Klerus,NSA ?


Have a good time to find a fair and logical answer
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Magluvin

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7475 on: October 16, 2016, 06:36:48 AM »
Mags,
It does seem strange, compared to the usual Tesla-type setups, with the primary usually on the outside.
One thing I noticed, and I'm not sure...
- it looks like the upper secondary (over the primary) and the lower secondary are wound in opposite directions, but without seeing it from another angle, I can't be sure.  If that's the case, do we get the two oppositely wound coils essentially cancelling out each other's mag fields and putting out a lot voltage, like the series bifi coil?

If that's the case, then I'm assuming it would need to be stepped down to a useable level.
FWIW,
Bob

hey Bob

What Im thinking is, say the outer coil is the same dia but 100ft long. Is it still only the inner primary that is inducing the other 99ft of the outer coil, or is it the primary induced outer coil field of the 1 ft that feeds the other 99ft?  As we know the primary field strength and density diminish with distance, so it must not have much affect on the rest of the winding beyond say 2 ft.  Or is the primary field trapped inside the outer coil, due to the outer coils counter field, so as the pri field traverses the length of the 100ft, it just remains denser to induce the full length much more than I imagine?

I would recommend that anyone who attempts a Don Smith Build, to try it with both outer coils wound in the same continual direction and also another outer coil setup with them wound oppositely. Oppositely as in if we start both windings in the middle, they will be wound in the same direction, just the left one winding left and the right one winding to the right end of the tube.

Was thinking. These days it would be soo simple for someone to alter pics like these where it could give the full impression that one is wound one way or both the same. Just some photoshop around the coil ends and the middle starting points. Also, Ive seen wire wrap and soldered center taps. Why the separate outer windings if they are wound in the same direction?  ??? Why not just a nice single continuous wind and a center tap? Its not like the center tap wire couldnt be any size near what the diode leads or the capacitor leads are. ???   Is there a certain space needed between the 2 outer coil halves?   So it always has me thinking, by just about every thing I see, that the outer coils should be wound opposing..... Or, is it only one outer coil at a time that dumps though its diode pack then during the other phase the other coil dumps? That would be an interaction that I would like to visually understand.

Mags


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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7476 on: October 16, 2016, 09:44:54 AM »
IMHO The part with capacitor is LC tank circuit, the other part is antenna. It has to be adjusted to both resonances.
If you think clearly about this setup , then the only way it may be overunity is by this : you put a discharge signal at primary slow frequency like 60Hz so there is plenty time between impulses. The secondary is matched and oscillate freely generating many many current kicks as not so much higher voltage then primary. So the results is output capacitors charge much faster then normal. Here is the magic. Capacitors charge at Mhz radio waves and electrons are taken from ground.

that_prophet

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7477 on: October 16, 2016, 08:45:04 PM »
This was given to me for the Tribulation Saints, (I ask my ABBA Father)
+ I don't think that they will have money to buy all of these expensive items.
When this is meant to be super simple + easy to build out of odd spare parts.
All that you need is a DC motor + an AC generator of the same voltage.
One large wheel/pulley, (like a bicycle rim) + at least one mini-pulley/wheel, (a thread role)
And a few full wave bridge rectifiers = (only 4 diodes each)
The hard part is when you would have to rig up a way to connect your motor + generators to your pulleys, (glue or threading of some sort,,, you cannot weld or bronze them, unless you found a way to disassemble them or heat sinks, to keep from frying your winding’s)
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Lenz law sounds like something electronic, when this works om simple pulley mechanics = 100cm circumference pulley only turns once
+ this gives you 100 turns, X,(times) the # of 1cm circumference pulleys that you attach.
If you attach AC generators to each of these 1cm mini-pulleys,
you would gain 100 units of AC electricity, for every 1cm pulley that you attach.
This could be massive amounts of free AC electricity,
if you added 10's of these mini-pulleys then you would gain 1000's of units of AC electricity,
all done with one spark of DC current, (practically zero)
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that_prophet - Re: use pulleys to multiply total # of rotations = AC electricity
Quote from: citfta on October 14, 2016, 01:05:13 PM
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I don't understand how you can be so dense.  You have had numerous people tell you that your idea will not work.  That is because we actually have experience working with motors and generators.
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REPLY BY ME
I don't understand how mankind be so dense, to not see that this use of pulleys does not involve torque, but simple multiplication of rotations = multiplication of AC electricity. The AC generators are just winding up massive voltage, to turn over your DC motor, only the once, + no current, as you only need one spark to have this self powering.
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Now try and tell me that you would not be able to get one spark of DC output,
when you have 1000's of units of AC electricity to work with


citfta

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7478 on: October 16, 2016, 11:51:09 PM »
MOTORS DO NOT RUN ON A SPARK OF ELECTRICITY!!  Follow the links I gave you and try to learn how motors and generators really work.  They do not work like your fantasy ideas.

Tesluh

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7479 on: October 17, 2016, 06:29:13 PM »
My understanding is that l2 coil is two equal but wound opposite coils half cw and half ccw.  it was explained as two tesla coils laying flat.  still wish I had a for sure on length of the coils and wire size.  much of the secondary side schematic is still a mystery to me, so many conflicting schematics.  I believe I have the primary side figured out pretty well now.  I get a nice spark gap action and I can arc a screwdriver across the secondary coils which tells me the l1 is doing something to the l2 at least.  now getting them resonating in sync and figuring out what to do with the l2 side to get mains power.

leonelogb

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7480 on: November 07, 2016, 03:11:24 AM »
Tito L. O. there are something that still no understand about this;

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n a core there should only one coil but in 75% of the coil should be an extra coil and part of the one coil and the 25% of the coil is the input, so when electricity enters at the 25% of the coil, the 75% is energized because it is inside of the magnetic field of the 25% of the coil so then if we make and brake it the power then will grows very fast. then that's it. is it very hard to understand friend
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Are you talking about this? Patent 454,622?

a.king21

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7481 on: November 07, 2016, 02:04:22 PM »
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Tito L. Oracion

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7482 on: November 10, 2016, 04:53:36 AM »
Tito L. O. there are something that still no understand about this;
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Are you talking about this? Patent 454,622?


No!, i'm talking about the ozone patent. :D


You're thinking too much and too high my friend.  :)

Tito L. Oracion

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7483 on: November 10, 2016, 04:56:54 AM »
To Everyone, It is with the deepest sorrow that I have to announce the sudden and unexpected Death of John Bedini today (Saturday, November 5, 2016). Those of us who knew him well are without words at this time. Anyone who would like to leave a comment here about this truly brilliant and generous Soul, please do.Peter Lindemann



http://emediapress.com/2016/11/06/john-bedini-you-will-be-missed/

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20629-end-era.html


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leonelogb

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #7484 on: November 10, 2016, 07:06:08 AM »
Thank you Master, the problem is that I made a bifi-coil with secondary bifi in the medio of this prim-bifi. And I can just fill a  a cap of 2700uf how many time that I want to, and that it! :-\ (battery no discharge). I used copper tuberia. check pic!  ;D the volt is just 350v in this cap but can not charge a battery. I want to make this firts an after that; serial charge and parale discharge. Ping pong Tito Toy! ::) :o ;D