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Enjoykin2017 · « **Reply #7455 on:** October 04, 2016, 03:51:01 PM »

Quote from: Tito L. Oracion on October 03, 2016, 10:17:21 AM

Actually this thing makes small kick into big kick.
There are lots of variation you can do with this thing but this is the real thing.
AND OF COURSE THERE IS DANGER HERE OKAY, BE CAREFUL!!
so try it first from small design ok.
happy experimenting everyone. i hope and i believe you can get it.

The backfire of the 75% plus 25% coil is many times greater than the input AND it comes from the outside.
Then that big energy can be fired into another transformer then start collecting in the secondary of that transformer.

NOW YOU TELL ME IF I'M NOT TELLING THE TRUTH!!!
A matter of practice and experiment ok.
Tesla says that just by holding the coil he can already know a lot of info in that coil.
is it needed to know if its bifi?
Tell me which is better.

We are already experimenting since lot of years already and still i have to detailed it?, what?
are we learning or what?!!!!

ok according to tekla bifi is 250,000 times better than the ordinary.
am i going to repeat more?
if you don't know how to say thanks then just say =>
more better at least i knew it.

Hello Tito L. Oracion and all !!

Does your exparimental setup similar like this Tesla schematic ?

If you have repeated Tesla experiment tell me how did you made Tesla Spark-Gap - magnetic or quenched type spark-gap or mechanical rotational type ?

Do you have implemented Tesla Rules for your experiments ?

The words: "Resonance in Resonance or Vibartion in Vibration" could worth for 2 kind of vibrations or resonances - Secondary ʎ/4 and Extra Secondary 3ʎ/4 with the same transition mode.

Good Luck
Enjoykin

........................
ps: Tesla Rules

1. Mass of Primary (copper weight) = Mass Secondary plus Extra Secondary (copper weight)
2. Primary vibration must be in harmony with secondary ʎ/4 vibration. (Extra Secondary will be automatic in harmony with Primary vibration.
3. Ground points (2 independent earth grounds) must be in 2 ʎ/4 or ʎ/2 distance for optimal power transfer.
4. Position and distance from primary coil of Spark-Gap is also very important. Spark-Gap could be in hot wire (HV side) or cold wire (Ground side) - which is not the same for correct working Tesla Mag Magnification Transformer.

Bob Smith · « **Reply #7456 on:** October 05, 2016, 04:15:53 AM »

Check out the diagram at 29 seconds:
https://youtu.be/VqdcU9ULAlA?t=29
It's not the whole answer, but I think part of it.
Notice the cap in parallel with the secondary and antenna on the primary, going to a ground shared with the secondary.

Magluvin · « **Reply #7457 on:** October 05, 2016, 05:56:51 AM »

Quote from: Enjoykin2017 on October 04, 2016, 03:51:01 PM

Hello Tito L. Oracion and all !!

Does your exparimental setup similar like this Tesla schematic ?

If you have repeated Tesla experiment tell me how did you made Tesla Spark-Gap - magnetic or quenched type spark-gap or mechanical rotational type ?

Do you have implemented Tesla Rules for your experiments ?

The words: "Resonance in Resonance or Vibartion in Vibration" could worth for 2 kind of vibrations or resonances - Secondary ʎ/4 and Extra Secondary 3ʎ/4 with the same transition mode.

Good Luck
Enjoykin

........................
ps: Tesla Rules

1. Mass of Primary (copper weight) = Mass Secondary plus Extra Secondary (copper weight)
2. Primary vibration must be in harmony with secondary ʎ/4 vibration. (Extra Secondary will be automatic in harmony with Primary vibration.
3. Ground points (2 independent earth grounds) must be in 2 ʎ/4 or ʎ/2 distance for optimal power transfer.
4. Position and distance from primary coil of Spark-Gap is also very important. Spark-Gap could be in hot wire (HV side) or cold wire (Ground side) - which is not the same for correct working Tesla Mag Magnification Transformer.

That seems to be an odd place for the 'break', which I assume is mechanical. Lets say that the left side is the transmitter and the right side is the receiver, could be the other way around due to each side is like a mirror image, which again seems strange to me, but if it is the transmitter, when the break happens to close, make connection, where does the cap to the far left dump to when that connection is made? Into what surely seems like a larger capacitance. But maybe that looks bad only in the beginning when we fire it up. So would the break make connection to the larger cap just to keep it topped up over its peak positive resonant cycle?

It surely doesnt look like the break is discharging a cap to a coil in that circuit, of which would have reminded me of Tesla. So this looks like we get the resonance going in the primary and the larger cap, and then just have a mechanical/electronic switch timed to just top up the large cap, so it is not a cap discharge circuit, its more of a trickle input once running.

Thats my I didnt read it yet assumption. I like to try to get it by looking at it first. I dunno why, I just do. Sometimes I do get it.

Mags

Enjoykin2017 · « **Reply #7458 on:** October 05, 2016, 10:50:24 AM »

Quote from: Magluvin on October 05, 2016, 05:56:51 AM

That seems to be an odd place for the 'break', which I assume is mechanical. Lets say that the left side is the transmitter and the right side is the receiver, could be the other way around due to each side is like a mirror image, which again seems strange to me, but if it is the transmitter, when the break happens to close, make connection, where does the cap to the far left dump to when that connection is made? Into what surely seems like a larger capacitance. But maybe that looks bad only in the beginning when we fire it up. So would the break make connection to the larger cap just to keep it topped up over its peak positive resonant cycle?

It surely doesnt look like the break is discharging a cap to a coil in that circuit, of which would have reminded me of Tesla. So this looks like we get the resonance going in the primary and the larger cap, and then just have a mechanical/electronic switch timed to just top up the large cap, so it is not a cap discharge circuit, its more of a trickle input once running.

Thats my I didnt read it yet assumption. I like to try to get it by looking at it first. I dunno why, I just do. Sometimes I do get it.

Mags

Yes thanks for you comment Mags.

It could be mechanical break kind of power switch but in that case we need to find correct position for Spark-Gap. Capacitor C is probably resonant capacitor from HV power transformer secondary. Bigger capacitor C1 should be main primary discharging cap. I think Spark Gap should be Magnetic type arc disrupter like Tesla had stated many times.

The picture is for preliminary idea how it looks like according to Tito L. Oracion's description and I have took from the Colorado Spring Notes book.

Mags if you plan to make experiment we could make further discussion aboutmany processes. I hope other memebers her will join our conversation.

Best Regards
Enjoykin

Magluvin · « **Reply #7459 on:** October 06, 2016, 03:06:57 AM »

Quote from: Enjoykin2017 on October 05, 2016, 10:50:24 AM

Yes thanks for you comment Mags.

It could be mechanical break kind of power switch but in that case we need to find correct position for Spark-Gap. Capacitor C is probably resonant capacitor from HV power transformer secondary. Bigger capacitor C1 should be main primary discharging cap. I think Spark Gap should be Magnetic type arc disrupter like Tesla had stated many times.

The picture is for preliminary idea how it looks like according to Tito L. Oracion's description and I have took from the Colorado Spring Notes book.

Mags if you plan to make experiment we could make further discussion aboutmany processes. I hope other memebers her will join our conversation.

Best Regards
Enjoykin

Ive just learned over time to mostly be able to see what happens in these circuits. So noticing the position of the break in the circuit made me look twice.

So in a way this design probably doesnt have heavy burning of contacts, if the timing of the 'make' is in sync with the resonance of the large cap and primary LC, of which that freq may be altered by the secondary with what looks to be an extra coil. Lets say for instance that when the large cap and the primary are in resonance and say it simply may have only 300v swinging back and forth, 300v+ to 300v-. If we were to charge up the LC to the 300v point and take away the input all together, each resonant cycle will diminish in voltage. Lets say it drops 10v for each half cycle, possibly being conservative on that number, but its just an example.
So +300v to -290v to +280v to -270v and so on till the oscillations stop. And the drop wont be linear like that, but just getting to the part of what the break has to accomplish.

So the LC is at + 300v and the break opens, and the LC ringing swings to -290v and then back up to +280 and the break closes again and only has to replenish the value of the voltage drop of 300v to 280v. Its only a 'Possible', for this hypothetical example, 20v difference that has to be replaced for each cycle loss. So this is a variant of a circuit that would have abrupt discharge into a coil from a cap, like the wind up tapper machine that made the building shake, where this circuit helps just maintain a particular level of resonant operation. Say the tapper could make the building to rumble dramatically, well then this circuit could help it just maintain a lower oscillation, or like once we got the building into a lesser oscillation and didnt want to go any further, then we could reduce the output of the tapper to only emit just enough to maintain that particular oscillation, like what this circuit looks like its intended to do.

Mags

lancaIV · « **Reply #7460 on:** October 06, 2016, 07:18:05 PM »

how is the energy gain/lost result in a car ignition system and how is a car ignition system built over the time to the actual standart ?

https://www.hk-auto.de/zuendsy.html

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zündspule

Magluvin · « **Reply #7461 on:** October 07, 2016, 01:27:13 AM »

Quote from: lancaIV on October 06, 2016, 07:18:05 PM

how is the energy gain/lost result in a car ignition system and how is a car ignition system built over the time to the actual standart ?

https://www.hk-auto.de/zuendsy.html

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zündspule

There was a time at my work where they had a box of car ignition coils they wanted me to test.

So I set up a 12v battery with a momentary switch in series with the + and - terminals of the ign coil. Then I used a spark plug wire and a spark plug with its threaded base connected to the - terminal of the coil. So we push the switch to build a field in the coil primary then we release the switch to let the field collapse induce the secondary which is wound to produce about 15kv to 25kv. Some aftermarket coils can produce up to 50kv out to the spark plug. But I was getting virtually no spark or just a weak static looking spark.

So I had an idea that there is something wrong in the circuit. I looked up some images of points circuits and found a clear example that included a capacitor/condenser and I added that cap to the circuit. Still weak spark. So I didnt think about the cap as necessary for a bit. Then I looked at the circuit again and noticed the cap is not in a place to either protect the points contacts, nor was it in place that it would interact with the coil when the switch was open. So I put the cap across the switch and BANG. The sparks were burning white. They seem to be more than just a small static pip. It looks and sounds like there is multiple strong sparks in succession, like the same as we can detect how a tone can be heard over time, a short pip vs maybe a couple milliseconds, what ever it may be. I have not gotten back to that to measure the apparent oscillation between the cap and the primary. But I would bet some mula that there is a longer spark time with the cap due to resonant oscillation vs without the cap. And again, the power level of the spark is much greater than without the cap..(just now measured one at .2uf dont have a coil here to measure its ohms and inductance.

The other thing you notice with this circuit is the oscillation goes through the battery also. I wonder what effect that has on the battery. Modern systems do not allow field collapse current spikes and the like of relays, motors, etc. to re enter the power system of the vehicles. Some people may add some component to their vehicle that uses a switch to operate a relay. If there is not a snubber diode across the relay coil, you will hear pops in the audio system of the vehicle.

Ill have to dig up that coil I have. Did some experiments on YT using a Sidac to act as a 220v spark gap to connect the cap being charged via avramenko plug. Now I want to set it up to see if the sidac allowed oscillations Maybe a cap across the sidac? This is more like disruptive discharge but Im wondering if the sidac disconnects the cap once it reaches a low voltage state. But mind you, the cap discharge at 220v is a vary small capacitance. This was 5yrs ago. looking over my vids brings up new ideas to test things I wasnt thinking of then.

This is part 4 of 5 vids on this subject and the use of the Avramenko plug....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EP8M4YcGio

Mags

a.king21 · « **Reply #7462 on:** October 07, 2016, 05:08:26 AM »

Quote from: Tito L. Oracion on October 04, 2016, 04:40:13 AM

The 25%+75% which is equal to 100% plus the unlimited inrush from the outside is again fired into another transformer.

The steven marks transfo is better because we can at least put 3 parallel inputs and we can put lots of secondaries in that design.

i think that's all enough for everyone to discover it.

be careful once again cause I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR DEATHS AND SHOCK.

IT CAN EASILY KILL YOU OK!!!

GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU.

a.king21 · « **Reply #7463 on:** October 07, 2016, 05:09:51 AM »

Quote from: Tito L. Oracion on October 04, 2016, 08:41:10 AM

Yes, They have to say that so that no more will go in deep to that technology.

in order for the transformer to melt or become hot, it should under capacitated! ok?
you try to plug a 120 volts in a 220 volts outlet and you will know what i mean.

Now, if you don't want to use the transfo, you just try to use the "I" type, you put the input in the middle and put secondaries in the bottom at the middle and top, imagine you could put three collectors in one "I" type, and you can have many "I" type as you wish!!!

of course it is still in the design why it melts ok!.

And Well, heating is just normal and fire is just normal.

Believe me for once, THERE IS ALWAYS A BETTER WAY SOLUTION FOR EVERY PROBLEMA.
DON'T STUCK IN IT OK!

lancaIV · « **Reply #7464 on:** October 07, 2016, 11:02:41 AM »

Bruce Perrault ,probably usefull his work results !
http://www.nuenergy.org/k-capture-generator/

For an electic circuit invented by Lloyd Crump,Rheostat :
http://www.google.st/patents/US1008701
other inventions by him,information filtering need
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=lloyd+crump&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search

Enjoykin2017 · « **Reply #7465 on:** October 07, 2016, 08:49:40 PM »

Quote from: Magluvin on October 06, 2016, 03:06:57 AM

Ive just learned over time to mostly be able to see what happens in these circuits. So noticing the position of the break in the circuit made me look twice.

So in a way this design probably doesnt have heavy burning of contacts, if the timing of the 'make' is in sync with the resonance of the large cap and primary LC, of which that freq may be altered by the secondary with what looks to be an extra coil. Lets say for instance that when the large cap and the primary are in resonance and say it simply may have only 300v swinging back and forth, 300v+ to 300v-. If we were to charge up the LC to the 300v point and take away the input all together, each resonant cycle will diminish in voltage. Lets say it drops 10v for each half cycle, possibly being conservative on that number, but its just an example.
So +300v to -290v to +280v to -270v and so on till the oscillations stop. And the drop wont be linear like that, but just getting to the part of what the break has to accomplish.

So the LC is at + 300v and the break opens, and the LC ringing swings to -290v and then back up to +280 and the break closes again and only has to replenish the value of the voltage drop of 300v to 280v. Its only a 'Possible', for this hypothetical example, 20v difference that has to be replaced for each cycle loss. So this is a variant of a circuit that would have abrupt discharge into a coil from a cap, like the wind up tapper machine that made the building shake, where this circuit helps just maintain a particular level of resonant operation. Say the tapper could make the building to rumble dramatically, well then this circuit could help it just maintain a lower oscillation, or like once we got the building into a lesser oscillation and didnt want to go any further, then we could reduce the output of the tapper to only emit just enough to maintain that particular oscillation, like what this circuit looks like its intended to do.

Mags

Hi Mags

Yes you are quite right about described process in primary LC. But remember what Tesla said about primary excitation. Only unipolar HV impulse was permitted for primary LC excitation. Or in the other words unidirectional switch with infinitely short open and close times. This is a real probem how to get that HV Uni.-pulse. Amlitude shoud be very high more than 20 KV with no swinging current from primary to HV power supply and vice versa. Only fully controled clean and sharp HV Uni.-pulse. For that purpose he had made several kinds of unipolar spark-gap dischargers and the best one had shown was Magnetic Disrupter Spark-Gap. Find Tesla patent how to make one. That magnetic discharger give bunch of conducting electrons (from charged HV capacitor) terrible speed wit giant huge inertial forces while accelerating with astonishing 12 Mega Volts accelerating volatge (in Teslas case he used that).

What will happen when so huge accelarated bunch of electrons sudden stike massive copper primary coil on his way ??

There come play new physical process or preciselly new sort of aggregate state of matter - Aetheric Matter. In my oppinion this matter was "hard packed" in inner shell of electron/s. Remember that mass of such "packed matter" in electron volume exceed 15 000 ton/cm³ and we simple release that giant packed aetheric particles out of electron shell and they continue to fly out to target - primary Tesla coil with the giant accelerating speed only under inflience of huge inertial forces.

What is really going on than these accelerated Aetheric Particles hit giant number of electrons in massive primary coil of Tesla Transformer need to be researched very carefully. Remember Radiant matter paticles (Aetheric Matter) in forms of strong Radiant rays (very similar like light rays) totaly made charged (electified) any metalic suraface which were exposed to Radiant Rays even on very long distances.

So until we have got a pure Radiant rays we can not make nothung in sense of Overunity and Self-Running generators. Yes Mags we definitely need that new kind of matter.... Aether Matter released from intrinsic volime of electrons. According to John Ernst Worrell Keely that Aetheric Matter possess highly vibratory state for all own coupled particles - that means possess giant kinetik force field which is direct responsibele for new kinds of matter transmutation process.

Could you make experiments with Magnetic Disruptor Spark-Gap and see what is going on ??

Reg.
Enjoykin

ps: Nice experiment with your car ignition coil.

Bob Smith · « **Reply #7466 on:** October 08, 2016, 05:34:22 AM »

With regard to unipolar impulses, Tito has mentioned multiple times the importance of a unidirectional impulse.
I believe the AV plug is all that is needed to accomplish this.
Bob

Magluvin · « **Reply #7467 on:** October 11, 2016, 08:14:14 AM »

Thinking about this coil in Don Smiths device...

The primary is the inner red positionable winding. When it is running, is the red coil between the 2 outer coils, centered? Or is it in the position shown in the pic?

If it is like the pic, then the red winding stimulates the outer coil it sits in, which has the cap across it on the terminal block to the right, then I wonder what the output of the thing is coming from. Its looking like the 2 diode duos put the 2 outer windings in series to load the caps on the far right.

If this is what is going on, is the outer winding closer to us in the pic being induced by the red inner winding or is it getting it from the far outer winding?

Usually an inner coil as shown has a lot less influence on an outer coil would have on an inner coil. Air core.

So I wonder about the logic of the inner primary and is there advantage doing so vs the other way around.

Dunno.Something is just clicking a bit when I look at it.

Mags

Magluvin · « **Reply #7468 on:** October 11, 2016, 08:19:20 AM »

Ah. I missed something with the diodes. It looks like the 2 outer coils would have to be out of phase in relation to each other to charge the cap or one dumps to the caps in one direction of oscillation and the other coil dumps in the other polarity.
But Im concerned with the coil config. How do those 3 coils interact if the red coil is inside only one of the outer coils.

Mags

Tesluh · « **Reply #7469 on:** October 11, 2016, 04:10:31 PM »

I believe the length of primary being 1/4 of secondary has to deal with its size which is why its inside the primary, if it was outside with the same length of wire on the coil it would barely be 2 turns. I am also playing with this device and trying to build one that does what it was said it should.

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