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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #390 on: December 30, 2008, 05:36:45 AM »
About your wire gamma ray detector. That's not a good idea, even if it was sensitive enough, because you wouldn't know if it's picking up gamma rays, radio frequency waves, or even electrostatic fields that could be caused by just about anything.

If you can provide mathematics then scientists are willing to listen, including myself.


You did not read my website. You'll see where it goes over the mathematics showing how a diode array chip is predicted to produce kilowatts.  :)


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Ah-Ha!  Paul!  I see you are familiar with this sort of detector - the two wire coil thing.  So far it only seems to pick up stuff that is longitudinal.  (Another one for the troll boys - write it down.)  How do you know what the gamma detector picked up?  It just detects an induced charge.

Here is a million dollar quesion:  Does a Geiger counter respond to lightning?

Hint: storm chasers use them.

(You may not be aware that Hertz initially detected longitudinal waves before he detected transverse waves.  His diaries were released a few years ago.  So, the story about Tesla going to visit him may be true after all.)

I stopped reading about diode arrays when I saw the word "predicted". 

Also, I can not construct my own diode array chip or many of the the fancy devices that abound on the web these days, so I was forced to find my kW's elsewhere.  When Tesla  stated that he could easily pull 100 amps from the third coil of his magnifier - everyone should have listened.

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #391 on: December 30, 2008, 03:08:10 PM »
Here is a million dollar quesion:  Does a Geiger counter respond to lightning?

Hint: storm chasers use them.

 ;D No Bovine Excrement!

It is a handy tool for locating a well formed tornado when the visibility is zero, as well!

I just used one three days ago. Darned thing only missed my house by 1.5 miles! For lightning the range is based upon the strength of the strike more than distance.  And that is using a used GM tube with parts from my junk box.



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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #392 on: December 30, 2008, 03:33:28 PM »
;D No Bovine Excrement!

It is a handy tool for locating a well formed tornado when the visibility is zero, as well!

I just used one three days ago. Darned thing only missed my house by 1.5 miles! For lightning the range is based upon the strength of the strike more than distance.  And that is using a used GM tube with parts from my junk box.

So, what do Geiger counters actually detect?

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #393 on: December 30, 2008, 04:03:33 PM »
So, what do Geiger counters actually detect?

     high frequency of high intensity

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #394 on: December 30, 2008, 04:31:16 PM »
Geiger/Muller tubes/counters are usually a LOW COST devices which are mostly used as an indicator for a possibility of radiation consequences (mostly Beta and Gamma radiation presence).

Something like a "live-wire indicator screwdrivers" are for AC electricity... A measuring/correct quantisation is not the main purpose of those instruments...

Not exactly a "death proved" method for evaluating nuclear radiation effects... (there are instruments capable of detecting the radiation effects by orders of magnitude higher sensitivity...). Of course, they're a bit more expensive...

Yes, if your 15$ Geiger is working correctly and it is detecting something, you may have already been exposed to an "above normal level", or cumulative (usually unhealthy) dosage of radiation. :o (depends on the time of exposure....)


The Beta radiation consists of the high energy electrons (released not only by nuclear activity but even with, e.g. partial activity in CR Tubes, or (natural) violent atmospheric electricity discharges (lightning)), ....IT IS quite possible to detect natural lightnings with Geiger's.... Although you may see a lightning with your own eyes before you hear the "clicks" from your Geiger...

Check your "Geiger" close to a brush-type electromotor... If it doesn't show at least some decline of a needle ( or if there is no apparent sound clicks) / analog type), then it is not working correctly....




I'm one of those people who have serious objections (or problem with understanding) with TheBuzz's theory of "All FE devices works because of the Cavitation"...

Firstly, I don't know for any such FE devices.

And secondly, I *think* I understand what "Cavitation" really means.

Btw, naming a "Meternitha device" as a proof for Cavitational OU must be a joke.

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #395 on: December 30, 2008, 05:20:17 PM »
Thanks for the info spinner. J.L.Naudin used a gamma counter (not sure of the model) to see if the MEG was producing gamma radiation. He found no gamma radiation.

I would agree with you that cavitation is not the key to *all* free energy devices. Thanes just recently said the same thing, so he also agrees with us. I would go as far as to say that to date there are no "free energy" machines based on cavitation.  :(

As far as I'm aware, my diode array is the first documented legit "free energy" device that includes every detail, including part #'s, that anyone could build using SMS7630 diodes, which the semiconductor industry refers to as Zero Bias Diodes. Please see my website and forum for details -->

http://greenselfreliantenergy.com

So yes, there is now an actual "free energy" machine. I have offered a legal business challenge to countless physicists and EE's that if my diode array is not producing a DC voltage across a load that I will buy their product. Contact me for details. No takers so far. Also, *conventional* physics, using the best small signal semiconductor mathematics, which is based on quantum physics, clearly shows that diodes *must* rectify ambient thermal noise. Even the acclaimed genious, Mike Engelhardt, creator of LTspice by Linear Technologies Inc. said that I am correct that the math shows diodes rectify Johnson noise. I have challenged countless scientists to show mathematical proof that diodes produce zero volts DC from Johnson noise. They cannot, because the math clearly shows that diodes must rectify ambient thermal noise.  Twelve months of extensive measurements with up to *three* layers of metal shielding far out in a wide range of rural areas have shown the diode array always produces a DC voltage. The diode array has been tested in oil baths and non oil baths. It's been tested with various types of low bias current voltage meters, including the recent electrometer using a chip that produces a few femto amps of bias current. So both the math and measurements show that diodes rectify ambient thermal noise.

As far as I'm aware, this is the first "free energy" machine that anyone could build that will work. It's not going to power anything you'll need, but it proves the concept. It will require a diode array chip to provide usable amounts of power. The SMS7630 diodes are large enough to handle with your hands. Just solder at least 100 hundred of them in-series, as compact as possible, get an electrometer, place in appropriate metal shielding, and you get DC voltage. See my forum for details.

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #396 on: December 30, 2008, 05:48:59 PM »
    I thought geiger counters were like little vacuum tubes filled with gas.  Then when the gas "absorbed" the wave energy it became ionized and it's resistance drops.  I always check for xrays by using an evacuated tube filled with mercury vapor.  Mercury vapor likes em waves so much it starts to glow.   Below is how a smoke detector works which uses ionizing frequency to create an electric current.


       Ionization detectors have an ionization chamber and a source of ionizing radiation. The source of ionizing radiation is a minute quantity of americium-241 (perhaps 1/5000th of a gram), which is a source of alpha particles (helium nuclei). The ionization chamber consists of two plates separated by about a centimeter. The battery applies a voltage to the plates, charging one plate positive and the other plate negative. Alpha particles constantly released by the americium knock electrons off of the atoms in the air, ionizing the oxygen and nitrogen atoms in the chamber. The positively-charged oxygen and nitrogen atoms are attracted to the negative plate and the electrons are attracted to the positive plate, generating a small, continuous electric current. When smoke enters the ionization chamber, the smoke particles attach to the ions and neutralize them, so they do not reach the plate. The drop in current between the plates triggers the alarm.
   What if instead of a battery we use a high voltage high frequency scource.  Then the ionized neuclei migrate towards the cathode and the electrons towards the anode.  But just when the going gets good we shut off the voltage.  The electrons keep going and charge up one plate and the neuclei the other.  Then this secondary charging of the capacitor is shorted out to a load of some sort and the cycle begins all over.  The big question here is do the electrons and ions pickup momentum because of the energy of the external field or do they go faster at their own expense in energy.

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #397 on: December 30, 2008, 06:06:55 PM »
Quote from: PaulLowrance
Thanes just recently said the same thing, so he also agrees with us.
Actually, here's the exact quote -->

I asked Thanes if he had tested his machines with a Geiger counter? He replied,
Quote from: CRANKYpants
FOR SOMEONE TO SAY IT IS "ONLY" THIS OR THAT IS JUST LIMITED THINKING LIKE ME SAYING THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO FLY.

MY THEORY IS:

THAT THERE ARE AN INFINITE NUMBER OF FREE ENERGY DEVICES OUT THERE OR WAYS TO MAKE THEM...
JUST LIKE THERE ARE AN INFINITE NUMBER OF WAYS TO FLY - OR CRASH OR MAKE A LIGHT BULB.
AND OBVIOUSLY SOME ARE BETTER (AND SAFER) THAN OTHERS AND INFINITELY MANY ARE YET TO BE DISCOVERED.

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #398 on: December 30, 2008, 06:13:43 PM »

As far as I'm aware, my diode array is the first documented legit "free energy" device that includes every detail, including part #'s, that anyone could build using SMS7630 diodes, which the semiconductor industry refers to as Zero Bias Diodes. Please see my website and forum for details -->


Tesla has two patents on radiant energy receivers that capture naturally occurring radiant energy.  There was a nicely documented experiment confirming that the method works.  So, your diodes are not the first.

Eric Dollard has written and experimented a great deal with Tesla Transformers.  These are deemed to be OU, but I guess they do not fall under the "anyone can build" statement.

On the Geiger Counter, don't they respond to displacement current? - which is not an electron current.

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #399 on: December 30, 2008, 07:08:09 PM »
Tesla has two patents on radiant energy receivers that capture naturally occurring radiant energy.  There was a nicely documented experiment confirming that the method works.  So, your diodes are not the first.

Eric Dollard has written and experimented a great deal with Tesla Transformers.  These are deemed to be OU, but I guess they do not fall under the "anyone can build" statement.

On the Geiger Counter, don't they respond to displacement current? - which is not an electron current.
I don't know what you mean by radiant energy, but a solar cell captures solar energy, but obviously I'm referring to a different class of "free energy" machines. As you know, there are perhaps countless "free energy" machines, and I'd agree that it's possible a lot of them were legit, but the public does not have enough details right now to build such a "free energy" machine. Otherwise, I and others would build them right now and start powering my car and home. Are you kidding me,  :D , I'd love that!!!

I'm saying that my diode array is the first documented and detailed device that produces "free energy" across a load that includes all of the details to replicate and verify this very moment. One could say it's the "Pico Smoking Gun" because it only proofs the concept due to the small amount of power it produces. The next step would be the "Grande Smoking Gun."  A "free energy" device that could power a home.

BTW, last month I calculated that a home could live off of 1KW of *continuous* power. Of course you would need batteries to store the power when not being fully used.

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #400 on: December 30, 2008, 07:27:20 PM »
Hey Grumpy,

My usage of the term "free energy machine" here is a perpetual motion machine of the *2nd kind* or *1st kind.*  -->

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion_machine#Classification

Check it out. Most would consider my diode array a perpetual motion machine of the 2nd kind, not the first. When most people hear the term "perpetual motion," they're probably thinking of the 1st kind, not the 2nd kind.

I would include any machine that capture *unknown* energy, or energy that conventionally speaking is consider inaccessible (such as ZPE) as part of thermal energy, which would fall under the perpetual motion machine of the 2nd kind category.

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #401 on: December 30, 2008, 07:29:06 PM »
      If space is full of voltage relativity then I would imagine a moving voltage would effect the relativity of space charge in some sort of displacement mechanism.

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #402 on: December 30, 2008, 08:29:44 PM »
Hey Grumpy,

My usage of the term "free energy machine" here is a perpetual motion machine of the *2nd kind* or *1st kind.*  -->

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion_machine#Classification

Check it out. Most would consider my diode array a perpetual motion machine of the 2nd kind, not the first. When most people hear the term "perpetual motion," they're probably thinking of the 1st kind, not the 2nd kind.

I would include any machine that capture *unknown* energy, or energy that conventionally speaking is consider inaccessible (such as ZPE) as part of thermal energy, which would fall under the perpetual motion machine of the 2nd kind category.

PL

I'm not interested in "perpetual motion", only conversion and magnification of energy, and, of course, the smashing of "trolls" along the way.   ;D

ever heard of:

Feynman's "Brownian ratchet": A "perpetual motion" machine which extracts work from thermal fluctuations and appears to run forever but really only runs as long as the environment is warmer than the ratchet.

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #403 on: December 30, 2008, 08:39:22 PM »
I'm not interested in "perpetual motion", only conversion and magnification of energy, and, of course, the smashing of "trolls" along the way.   ;D
You obviously didn't read the wikipedia page. You never read anything I link to.  :D  Read it again.



ever heard of:

Feynman's "Brownian ratchet": A "perpetual motion" machine which extracts work from thermal fluctuations and appears to run forever but really only runs as long as the environment is warmer than the ratchet.
Are you claiming my diode array does not produce DC power across a load???


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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #404 on: December 30, 2008, 08:45:14 PM »
Spinner

Just for the sake of clarity

DO YOU BELIEVE IN ANY FREE ENERGY DEVICES!! ??[never mind your  theories for now]

Paul I suppose this thread opens a challenge,

 Of all the free energy devices listed by the BUZZ ,which do you claim to know are not caused by cavitation?

Again we are not talking about RECEIVING devices

   Chet