G'day all,
For some information on sonoluminescence have a look at http://keelytech.com/sonoluminescence.html
Hope you find it interesting.
Hans von Lieven
Ultrasonic tanks are designed to produce sonic waves that get out there into the field. You want the cavitation to happen at the interface of the metals to be cleaned. The metals absorb the sonic waves just like an atom will absorb a photon or emwave. The metal then emits it's own wave which will result in cavitation at the metal to solution interface. This is totally a result of the mechanical resonation of the metal matched to the frequency of the pressure waves. The cavitation is so disruptive that it will etch the metal if a standing wave is created. The frequency of the transponders are swept to avoid standing waves in the solution so as not to destroy the metal. This is optimized cavitation differs from the cavitation that is the product of decreased pressure of a solution saturated with a dissolved gas as you would see on the output of a prop or in a hydraulic solution. The solution using hydrosonic cleaning is degassed before operation of the tank for efficient transfer of the pressure waves from the transponder to the metal interface.
The cavitation of the liquid from the pressure wave hetrodyne results in a vacuum bubble not an expanding gas bubble. There is no surface tension in a vacuum bubble and chemical reactions on the interface of the bubble will proceed as they would in outer space. Water will boil rapidly at this reduced pressure and concentrate heat energy from the solution in the region of the vacuum bubble. Upon collapse of the bubble this heat gain is being concentrated in an ever condensing field and the temperature increases at an astounding rate. Plasma formation water fracturing and neuclear disintegration are all possible results of temperature rises like this.
The energy gains of cavitation boilers may be just the result of lowering the vapor pressure of the fluid so that water boils at a very low temperature in the machine allowing for heat transfer from the ambient field to flow into the system.
This is very simple physics and is used in reduced pressure distillation processes.
Either way mainipulation of pressure to lower vaporization temperatures is the way to go.
@Scary Truth Thanks for your contributionThis is the book:
Question: do you feel it is possible to vibrate water to make heat the way we do every day with a microwave ,but with a much smaller input through resonance /cavitation and a design [shape] specific vessel that would amplify
@Paul R This Dale Pond motor, with common plumbing parts, can you post a link PLEASE
Chet
@alanExactly, not strong force :P
The concentration of the heat energy is stronger than the electrostatic repulsion of the protons in the plasma field. Holy grail of particle physists.
The point is made here that until forced by extreme circumstances inventors and workable devices remain in the files at the patent office and nowhere else. To stagnate as a technical society is to be doomed by those that apply the "dominant" technology......And what of green machines...... or is it just hype?
@Koen This Dale Pond video [posted by Maddan] is VERY on topic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMEpCpzahFY&feature=PlayList&p=A426FDF5BA3CD7FD&index=0
Chet
This Dale Pond video is just another delusion.Do you have any evidence for these remarks?
Lol, JWK is a certified charlatan, one of the first and most known fraudsters ....
Do you have any evidence for these remarks?
Well actually the remark about wire coils was aimed
at the Thrapp "OU cavitation heater" video...
Watching that (several years old) video I see a rod type
thing stuck into the metal sphere, and wires running to it.
The wires are connected to a multimeter, so that would imply
simple electric input.
If you look at the shots where he pulls the thing out to pour
the hot water out of the sphere, and you can get a good look
at about 8 minutes into the video, you can see a gizmo on that
rod, and that gizmo looks a huge lot like a coil.
It certainly does not look like a speaker for producing sound.
Now it could be that he is generating sound waves but then
how does he do it without any oscillating membrane?
And if it is a speaker, then can you tell me what type of weird
rod-mounted coil-lookalike speaker contraption it is?
;)
I think we are talking about exactly the same device here, i just named the thread by the video on youtube 'cause i didn't know how to name it, so i think that "Thrapp OU cavitation heater" is the same thing as "Water heater from WITS", and thanks to you now i finally found where is it discussed, (but there is al ot of mess into ??? )...
So can you please comfirm that this two threads (in the links below) are about the same thing? THX
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3403.0
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6208.0
Dann
Thanks. Koen1! ;)I asked if you had any evidence. Do you have any?
@Paul-R
"This Dale Pond video is just another delusion."
The guy is talking a lot about how science was and still is wrong, ... he is talking about oscillation, cavitation, and even water hammer effect as being OU... etc....
As it is normal with such people - all talk, but no proof....
"Lol, JWK is a certified charlatan, one of the first and most known fraudsters ...."
What, you didn't knew that? ??? The Hydro-Vaccuo stuff, and all the fancy talk, the drained investors and his pneumatics hobby? ;D
I suggest you search the web....
@Koen1
Sorry i messed up one of the links above... but can you just confirm that this is the spheric device we are talking about - in this video here? THX http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxnEQssJ4FQ&feature=PlayList&p=C9FA62002A6557CA&index=0
Dann
Koen O.K Thanks for your responce
My bad .Nah dude, nobody's bad.
I should have posted links on the Peter Davies water heater [looks like Witts turned inside out]
I will post a link tonight after work
Davey found an effect called magnetostriction : http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solids/magstrict.html
That joined with cavitation explain his device very well. The external shell is resonant cavity and probably contains very small holes. The internal bell is made from highly magnetostriction material. Both are probably somehow insulated to limit current but still allow magnetostriction.The effect is and contraction/expansion process of inner bell walls at 100 or 120 hz frequency which in correct shape should produce circulation of water between bells at around 3600 rpm, very similar to commerial cavitation heaters driven by electric motor.
HielscherUltrasonics (1 year ago) Show HideOoops, I forgot you don't want to talk with a skeptic like me.. Maybe I just like to tease rookies? Madddan, Hello!?
The basic law of thermodynamics applies: All power is finally converted into heat. Nothing is lost. In this case it is 1000 W of which 85% are mechanical output at the sonotrode. Given a volume of approx. 1 gallon, this will heat the water at approx. 0.2K/sec.
Have you considered what a common, resistive 1 kW heating element can do when immersed in water? I bet you don't.....LOL, thats funny ;D
It is beyond my understanding what some of you people see in "cavitation".... It was well understood many decades before FE enthusiast jump over it....
Khabe Hopefully soon .Personaly im still learning .Is there anything you can teach /show us about this cavitation ,or resonance heater theory
Chet
@spinnerLOL, thats funny ;DAnd here we go again...
Can you tell me the last time you have heard of a resistive heating element forming resonant standing waves in the media it is immersed in and returning over 90% of it's energy to the next cycle?.
As well if cavitation is so well understood why is there a huge amount of interest in it by universities and corporations in this day and age? Why is there a great deal of literature concerning cavitation coming from the scientific establishment concerning an effect you state is "well understood"?.The fact of the matter is that cavitation is not well understood, LOL, science still cannot explain why a bumblebee can fly as physics still states it is impossible. I believe the problem here is that you cannot get past the thermodynamics involved, the heat energy may be conserved in cavitation but you have not considered the shock wave and the fact it may form "oscillations" or standing waves adding to the source.
RULE #1-----You harness the "ACT" of power as well as the "REACTION" to it.
I posted this as a response to ramset, only to provide the proof that cavitation can be acheived in water using transducers.
I know exactly what a 1 kW heating element can do to water, actually i have a 200l homemade water heater placed right here next to me in this room right now - i can send you a picture of it if you want ;) You think i'm a rookie? Well think whatever you want and also go to learn what can be acheived with resonance.
Dann
BTW, a very common resistive electrical heating element can convert electricity to heat with a +98% efficiency. Can you do better?
How about FE alternatives? Friction heaters? etc, etc...
I dont know much about cavity principle but ... are you sure that common resistive electrical heating element can convert electricity to heat with a +98% efficiency ???Hi, Khabe!
Then what about direct current heaters wheres 3 phase electrodes are direct in water and whats bit more efficient mode of water heating - what is this "bit" then?
between +98%....99,9% ??? I have this system in my house, up to 12kW and I pay less than before when was common 9kW resistive element heaters.
I think that resistive electrical heating elements are not so high efficient as you described.
cheers,
khabe
FYI, there are several cavitation mechanisms... Which one are you referring to? Or, which one is OU?
How is your water heater powered?
Maybe it's just one of those old water heaters where electricity is wasted only to produce heat...
Why don't you change it with any of the FE heating devices widely known on the market? How about your Witts ultrasonic cavitation device?
What can be achieved with resonance? A Unity? This is known for many many years.....
I thought you said OverUnity...
BTW, a very common resistive electrical heating element can convert electricity to heat with a +98% efficiency. Can you do better?Yes I can----- I can use a heat pump system and cut the electrical energy used in half to supply the same quantity of heat. Hmmmm, if as you state an electrical heating element is +98% efficient then how can a heat pump system do so much better?. This is because the heat pump system "moved" heat it did not supposedly generate it. Now ask your self one question---- where is the equivalency? Obviously an electrical heating element is "not" 98% efficient in electrical terms when half the input could deliver the same quantity of heat using a heat pump system----the proof is the electrical bills of everyone who has a heat pump system. What you fail to understand is the difference between transfering energy from one place to another and dissipating it completely in the media. A cavitation (implosion) produces a compression as an effect from the implosion, a compression produces heat, a compression must then expand relative to the media that surrounds it and in the right context pressure waves can be produced in such a way that the next implosion is reinforced by a reflection of the previous pressure wave resulting from the previous implosion. The effects are additive and are not dissipated completely lowering the power requirement from the input because the input does not drive the process directly it only maintains it. You are saying static conditions and dynamic ones must be equal when it should be obvious they simply cannot be.
Yes its an old water heater constructed by my dad 30 years ago and is also OU during the summer 'cause it runs on solar power and during the winter runs even on heated water from a furnace. so it is a combided device - electricity, solar, furnace. Happy now?Lol, you're "cheating" with the solar power OU... Ok.
The Witts device is not "mine", i just came here in hope to find more info about it. And now that i clearly see how is the device supposed to work, i can say that this is preety advanced stuff.
Dann
@spinnerYes I can----- I can use a heat pump system and cut the electrical energy used in half to supply the same quantity of heat. Hmmmm, if as you state an electrical heating element is +98% efficient then how can a heat pump system do so much better?. This is because the heat pump system "moved" heat it did not supposedly generate it. Now ask your self one question---- where is the equivalency? Obviously an electrical heating element is "not" 98% efficient in electrical terms when half the input could deliver the same quantity of heat using a heat pump system----the proof is the electrical bills of everyone who has a heat pump system. What you fail to understand is the difference between transfering energy from one place to another and dissipating it completely in the media. A cavitation (implosion) produces a compression as an effect from the implosion, a compression produces heat, a compression must then expand relative to the media that surrounds it and in the right context pressure waves can be produced in such a way that the next implosion is reinforced by a reflection of the previous pressure wave resulting from the previous implosion. The effects are additive and are not dissipated completely lowering the power requirement from the input because the input does not drive the process it only maintains it. You are saying static conditions and dynamic ones must be equal when it should be obvious they simply cannot be.
Lol, you're "cheating" with the solar power OU... Ok.
Believe me, I'd like to see that "Witts device" working in reality exactly as it's seen on the video... But you already know what I think of it....
If you see it as a pretty advanced stuff, please, explain it to me.
Like I said, I see only a very good trick with an ultrasonic water humidifier...
...Yes, possibly..
See whatever you want, it's your eyes and your brain cheating you ;D
Dann
Hi, Khabe!
What kind of "electrodes" directly in water do you have? Are they not "resistive"?
A common heating elements are immersed in water, too. Due to an almost pure Ohmic impedance, they convert most of the electricity to heat. A bit is wasted on electromotive forces, inductive/capacitive losses, etc... A small part, that is..
@khabe
Very nice construction! Yes, Ion heaters - the current passes through water heating it directly...
But...
!!! This kind of device is POTENTIALLY LETHAL !!!. Even if it's operation is guarded by a good Earthing and ground leakage disconnect circuits.
At this voltages, a few milliamps will probably kill you instantly!
If your heater neutral line gets broken, the current seeks a new path...
Another serious health concern is the ionization of water... (check out the taste of the water coming out of your heater...)...
Then, electrochemical erosion of the electrodes (titanium, stainless steel)... The water gets polluted with small but harmful heavy metals... :o
I would kindly recommend you to think about those issues... And you have a family...
Oh, I almost forgot... Why do you think this works better (more efficient) than common heating devices?
The power factor is worse, and it has additional electrochemical (nonreversible) losses....
Did you made any el. power and heating capacity measurements?
Cheers!
Edit to add:
You're probably using a closed primary water circuit for a central heating and heat exchanger for a secondary "potable" water... This way some of the problems mentioned above can be avoided... Still - safety/efficiency factors remain.
maybe casimir plates formed inadvertently -pitting - the ultrasound would explain increased penetration but the real trick below I just posted on an HHO forum:
skeletal catalyst converts hh to hydrino!
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Guys - everyone should start experimenting with skeletal catalysts - they can turn hydrogen into hydrinos which have hundreds of time more power in their covalent bonds. On October 25 th Rowan University confirmed Rayney nickel supplied by BLP is producing far over unity for the amount of hydrogen supplied. The theory is at byzipp.com/energy. I recommend simple inline filter where carttridge is replaced with skeletal catalyst powder and anything you can do to keep the hydrogen monatomic so it mixes inside casimir cavities that occur naturally in skeletal catalysts. Another possibly is using the powder as an enclosed paste for the hydrogen electrode to capture the hydrogen atoms before they have time to form bonds and incorporate into your existing rigs seemlessly.
Please report back to the forum your results so everyone can help us dial in
on the recipe- BLP wants to sell premixed skeletal catalysts but the theory
dictates that HHO kits can perform the same function!
there are numerous skeletal catalysts most of which have cavities and pores that provide increased surface area, The casimir effect requires metal pores where walls are less than 2nm apart -the mon-atomic hydrogen atoms must form covalent bonds while they are in the casimir cavity to produce hydrinos so getting a significant proportion of hydrinos will take some finesse. I would not be at all surprised if some of the claims previously labeled as fradulent regarding HHO are actually just fluke formation of hydrinos due to microscopic metal cavities associated with pitting. this represents a new chapter in chemistry/physics and the price to play is peanuts!
Not sure how this will look on here but this is as much as I could zoom in on the device. Appears to be a coil of tubing like in a water cooler, not exactly symmetrical. Any thoughts as to what this is? Beats me.
Bill
It is a piezo electric transducer. There is another one in the side. One is a pickup and the other is a transmitter. It will only work to heat water in a isotropic storage tank - hence the round tank.
Thanks. OK, here is what is probably a stupid question. We can all heat water from ambient to boiling in less than a minute in our microwaves so.....has anyone looked at a microwave home water heater?
How would the efficiency of this compare with the standard resistance heating method? I realize the cup of water is very small compared to 50 gallons of water but, once it is heated initially, just like the old system, it would only take a few zaps now and again to maintain the temperature level. Of course, it would need to be encased in a Faraday cage but, that should not be a large problem.
As I said, probably a stupid question but I have always wondered why this was never done commercially.
Bill
A water boiler already is a Faraday Cage so using a magnetron inside it wouldn't have that problem.@AbbaRue,
Also about the plasma type water heater mentioned earlier by "khabe":
The water line is what is used to ground your whole house wiring so you don't have to worry about getting shocked.
If the main ground to your house were broken the plasma heater in the water boiler would be your least worry.
Every tap in your house could be lethal if you touch it then.
The only way this could happen is if the water line going into your house actually broke off were it enters your house.
Then you wouldn't have any water running into your house.
So we could say the plasma water heater is about as safe as any electric heater could be.
Unless you have plastic water lines going to the water heater then it's a different story.
Then any type of electric water heater could be dangerous.
The water line is what is used to ground your whole house wiring so you don't have to worry about getting shocked.
If the main ground to your house were broken the plasma heater in the water boiler would be your least worry.
Spinner
In defense to user Khabe
I think laws govern sales to the public [at least in USA]
if a very talented and extremely skilled person such as Khabe builds a heater in his own home, it should not be a problem[as long as there are no problems ]
Chet
Spinner
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PS could you explain how a piezo electric Transducer placed in a sphere[parabolic array] ,timed to a resonant pulse, is a waste of time?
So far this thread has produced valuable information offered eg. casmir effect and vortex fluid electrostatic dynamics. Please respect the value of this information and the generousity of those persons posting. Some of the information posted on this forum is freely offered and represents thousands of hours of a persons life in pursuit of this knowlege.
Look at the last two posts MeltDown (me) made and the post spinner just made and ask yourself: "What has more value in the search for free energy?"
You can have one or the other, but you can't have both. Feel free to express yourself to Hartman in a PM with your thoughts on that matter.
I have no interest in posting anything in a forum that allows this type of psychotic behavior. Why this person was not banned years ago is an unexplainable mystery and robs the credibility of all of us, this forum and the free energy movement.
The ban on user TheBuzz is lifted again and I hope that there will
be no more namecallings and that the discussion will
be ontopic and respectfully.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
I respond to the part that had any value.
I have not seen an overbalanced wheel tested or verified.
I am not saying that it is impossible anymore than I am saying that a permanent magnet motor is impossible since they are basically the same thing bearing the same challenge - how to switch the gravity or magnets.
The only thing I could add to that is I suspect you would need to mathematically use irrational numbers through gears or linkages of some some sort since if you used rational numbers, you just started chasing the hump around a free energy wheel. In other words, the mechanical puzzle can never resolve mathematically.
Not like we have not seen that before huh?
This is an unusual situation in that I don't really have to build a device since every free energy device is the testbed.
Take for example the Papp engine. Where is the cavitation?
The high voltage arc is a cavitation and when that gas in the cylinder is cavitation with an arc, it transmutes. They have video of the process which is fairly well understood.
there are tons of examples out there. What people need to learn is what cavitation is and the various forms it takes. In the past they have created all kinds of silly answers for how these devices work and that disinfo. makes them impossible to understand and replicate.
As always, out come the trolls.
I was one that came up with the information after 30 years of research. What have you done besides made 3 posts under that user name in the last year?
I just laid out what makes all free energy devices work and some of the methods used. Maybe you should take up knitting. This is a technical discussion area, not a sewing circle or a troll zone.
Cavitation may well produce interesting results, but if it is as you say then surely after 30 years of research and the knowledge of all those great minds that have gone before us...wheres the result ?Jwk? Mr. Keely? ;)
It's not here yet and theories abounding, especially ones that don't appear to have any experimental data to back them up, get in the way. imho. Maybe im wrong, perhaps you have built a proof of concept device already ?
As for what i have done, i don't see any point in shouting about unfinished work, when i have a result ill let you know if your interested.
Close - The switching produces many cavitations. I know what you are trying to say though.
Try this - When an arc collapses, then the universe pushes back from all directions and slams energy and mass together at higher than ambient pressure. The mass then explodes back out at light speed and knocks electrons free from the ambient (electron cascade effect) and converts mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass.
So from a practical application sense, your point is right on the money. Clapping that cavity many times, produces the goods.
Tesla made an electromagnetic quenching spark gap to accomplish that goal. Tesla was so smart and his technology so simple. Reducing something to it's most simple form is the beauty or art of a science. He used the circuit to quench itself using the resonance it created itself. Simplicity is a hallmark of nature.
If Tesla were alive today, he would still toss the resistor you handed him in the trash and be winding coils and producing switching the way he did back then. He always took time to produce a beautiful prototype filled with curves and beauty, but it is natures way.
Tesla expressed intelligence found only in artifacts or text reminiscent of the ancients that were not exactly from this part of the universe. None of really are, we are all just carrots in someone else's garden.
So from a practical application sense, your point is right on the money. Clapping that cavity many times, produces the goods.
Grumpy,
I might add to that have another look at Meyer's transformer and compare the two.
Anyone with transformer experience would look at Meyer's transformer and say he built a transformer designed to work against itself.
The first time I looked at it I figured he probably wound the secondary on top of the primary as that is how old disruptive discharge transformers work. After seeing Thane's work I need to revisit Meyer's toroid which I have wound different ways about 4 times now.
Thane's work is very interesting because so many old free energy devices used a similar method. Maybe this one will get documented and we can build upon it.
No but then neither does Thanes. A saturable reactor is usually wound like half a mag amp.
Meyer's Transformer looks to me to reflect a unipolar wave back and forth between the primary side and the (choke) side. The pick up for precise timing of a sharp pulse.
Or... and more plausible, the high side goes high and the ground being pulled lower which most of his notes indicate he was doing. I wound one to do that yesterday and it actually worked OK as those experiments went. I need to put a few hundred more winds on the big choke to see if I can pull the B- lower though. I think I read the the B- voltage had to be greater than the B+ in one of his early patents. I don't trust patent drawings on something like that due to the sensitive nature of the technology.
But then I am one of those nut jobs that thinks 911 was an inside job and Stan's brother is really Stan. Someone gave me his phone number and told me to call him but I never did. He called him though and thought it was Stan too.
You see that thing in the news about Bush going to Bagdad to bid farewell and the reporter throwing his shoes at Bush? Almost got him too. Smart thinking on Bush's part since I guess if he wanted to bid farewell, nobody would be happier to see him go that the Iraqis. :-)
A picture is worth a thousand words - that's funny!
I never said anything about matter being made of Aether.
Let's talk about unipolar fields since that is important and everybody seems to gloss right over that.
Tell me everything you know about that.
The next expediency in the sequence for inhibiting electron leakage is the current inhibitor resister 60 as shown in FIGS. 1 and 5. The circuit 60 comprises a simple resistor of the commercial type or specially made for the particular application. The resistor is variable to provide fine tuning of the electron inhibiting. In that the each pair of plate exciters are connected separately, a resistor 60a xxx 60n is connected to each of the plates having the negative voltage connected therto. In this embodiment the inner plate of the exciters 50a xxx 50n. In that the inner plate had been normally connected to ground, the resistive element is now connected between the inner plate and ground.
As known in electrical art the resistor will provide a complete block to electron leakage--current flow. However, since the resistor 60 is connected from ground-to-ground there is no real affect on the voltage; and since there is no connection with the positive side there is no voltage drop.
The electron leakage resistor will again raise the upper limit of 8.5 volts amplitude before breakdown as shown at L-5 of FIG. 8. In the generation of the hydrogen and oxygen gasses to an infinite limit, as yet not fully appreciated, the upper level of amplitude of the voltage is removed with the utilization of the electron inhibitor of FIG. 7.
Oh Grumpy, what am I going to do with you. What do you mean you can't watch videos?
Water resistor is used to prevent amp flow. Since the water is pure, then electrons can't transfer but voltage can.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7lL6HW7Ydg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7lL6HW7Ydg)
In this embodiment of the current inhibitor connected to the inner plate having the negative voltage applied thereto, comprises a stainless steel sandwich 70/74 with a resistive material there between. The stainless steel is a poor conductive material and hence will restrict to some extent the electron flow. Other poor conductive material may be utilized in lieu of the stainless steel. The electron inhibitor 70/74 is connected in the same manner as resistor 60--between the inner plate having the negative potential connected to it and ground.
KoenWell a bit yeah...
I don't know if its just me !!
You sound very sarcastic??
Glad to see your feeling betterThanks :D
Grumpy and Sparks and TheBuzz are discusing Thane and Meyers Presentlyyes I read a bit of it just now... still don't really see
Very interesting stuff!!
PS I am Very interseted in the sphere also. There is another thread where this is being discused now. I will post the link [BY HHO CELL Good stuff]oh cool :) thanks! ;D
Cavitate aether??? I think you fell down a dark aether rabbit hole and can't find you way out. Heeeey Grumpyyyyyy! Walk towards the sound of my voice!
So it is pay up time Grumpy. Describe exactly how you would extract energy from the aether through cavitation or any other means. If you can't describe that then all you are doing is burying cavitation information that is useful and I am going to come at you like a pack of spider monkeys. :-)
This results in the formation of electron clusters. Electrons do not want to stay clustered (Columb's law) and so they explode back outward with the pressure and speed of atomic energy and knock other electrons free from the ambient medium and produces electron cascade effect.
In a spark gap there builds up around the cathode a zone of free electrons due to the ionization of the electrode metal. The shape of the electrode will determine the geometry of this region. As the voltage increases across the electrodes the gas between this zone and the anode ionizes. The free electrons from the gas are then drawn towards the anode and will neutralize the anode voltage unless caused to "miss" it. Presuming that a method is used to deflect electrons from the face of the anode is employed: then divergent currents of electrons flow into the circuit with increased velocity gained negotiating the gap. The ionized neuclei of the gas will experience inertial gain in the direction of the cathode where it displaces the electron buffer zone developed around the cathode. The electrons are then displaced and absorb the inertial gain of the neuclei. They become acclerated and form a superconductive cloud of electrons from cathode to anode skin. A massive current is then allowed to flow across the gap with very little resistance. The scource voltage and external circuit being the only limiting factor. The electron field is linearly accelerated in the gap and radiant energy flows from the spark gap. Transverse emwaves and all sorts of heat and secondary radioactive emission from electron bombardment of the anode electron collection metal.
Grumpy, I missed your question.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tmt.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tmt.htm)
Buzzer sound - Sorry, that constitutes an energy receiver. I stipulated that at the end of my cavitation diatribe.
The cavitation is taking place in the Sun?
O.K., I bite. I honestly don't know much about the device. I just Googled that and scanned what Naudin had wrote, pasted the link in.
From what I do remember about Meyl, he produced two longitudinal waves with a common ground plane in the form of a copper wire.
Since particles are held into a lump using two scalar waves, I would assume that they are de-spinning that scalar wave of the mass. Where is the mass being converted? I would assume on or in the capacitors above the coils. I also assume the parametric wave associated with the pancake coil has an acceleration property to it similar to the mechanical action of a bull whip.
What best defines my knowledge of this particular device is what I don't know since this is one I have never looked at it closely.
One thing is for sure, whether it is a receiver or a mass to atomic energy converter, the OU comes from somewhere and some magical buzz word like zero point or aether does not explain anything.
Let's hear your thoughts since you brought it up. Don't worry Grumpula, the trolls have already been fed.
A Tesla coil produces a longitudinal wave, a solonoid coil produces a transverse wave.What a fantastic metaphor.
The difference between pulling on a rope and shaking a rope.
A Tesla coil produces a longitudinal wave, a solonoid coil produces a transverse wave.
The difference between pulling on a rope and shaking a rope.
Since a pancake coil is a capacitor on the side of opposite polarity and magnetic field producing a parametric wave, I assume that is how we get there using that as the primary. To me anyway.
The Earth acting as an inductor and the atmosphere as the dielectric in a resonant circuit is a cool idea but how would one first create a waveguide and secondly damp such a wave to say charge a battery bank.
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I doubt you are contradicting yourself, rather I just don't understand what you are saying.
I understand the Earth's atmosphere to be dielectric, the earth to be one plate and space to be the other. A bit like an inside out Leyden jar. Is this what you are saying?
Well your user name certainly fits. No, I am not being deliberately obtuse, it is just something I have not studied.
Are you being a pointed object that causes me pain? Hartman doesn't want me to call people the "P" word anymore. ;-)
So anyway... is there a cavitation in the magnifier? Could Tesla have filled his dome with a gas such as hydrogen, helium or nitrogen? I hear Tesla liked to play with tubes of high pressure nitrogen.
Interesting stuff. I made a note of Quick and Hull and I'll have to look more closely at that in time. As for the coil not being consumed, probably true but something is. Since there is so much atomic energy in mass you could never measure the loss, hence the Einstein quote in my tag line.
" @ Cap-Z-ro "
@Grumpy
" Stay the fuck out of this! "
Stay the fuck out of what ??
I guess what you are saying is that I should just roll over while some troll, previously banned for abusing various members, continues his abuse through inuendo and cryptic reference ?
You may be willing to overlook the fact he is baiting the members he previously abused, but that is okay, because you were not the victim, right...we've seen that game all too often on this planet.
But to have the temerity to expect his targets ignore the baiting is either ridiculous, arrogant, or a little of both.
If you don't have the spine to stand up for yourself that is your problem...don't think for one second that you are going to bully me into thinking that its my problem.
Maybe you should take some of your own advice...and mind your own business.
If, in all the kerfuffle your nose was dislodged from the snuggely warm confines of buzz's butt crack, then I sincerely apologize.
" Is that clear enough for you? "
I believe the question really is...is that not clear enough for you ??
" Let me rephrase - shut the fuck up! - dipshit! "
I now see why you defend the abuser...you are an abuser yourself.
Hurl one more unprovoked insult my way, and you will reported like your abusive cohort...and hopefully banned.
So far as I have seen, neither of you have contributed anything other than your surly and abrasive dispositions to this forum.
CAP I don't know what you do for a living
But you would make a great wife For someone
Nothing huh ?
Thought as much..all mouth...as predicted
Ever think of changing your user name from Grumpy to Abusive...do it...its perfect for you.
Go back in your hole and roll around in your own misery...you are nothing but a lout and a loser who can do nothing but talk...and abusively at that.
Pfft...
You are making yourself out to be a pig headed idiot.
" It is impossible to have a technical discussion here at overunity.com. "
It sure is ain't it...specially when you keep insulting people while you are having your "technical discussion".
Or would that "technically" be called multi-tasking ?
With every desperate flailing of arms, I can just imagine the guffaw meter going through the roof going on in the background...and everyone wondering just how silly the next reply will be.
And you have accomplished what in your life, with a sense of humor that reflects your grade school level of maturity ?
You were the stooge who accused me of being a know nothing and a do nothing...when in the end you were describing yourself.
That...would be a tough one to get off of you...those are the ones that stick to you...like tying a can to yourself.
Sorry Abusive...but you got a lot of egg on your face...you know what they say - make egg nog.
Grumpy/Abusive...you are still what you try to project on to me...a loser.
I actually got off my ass and invented something...and it is you who has done squat.
You made a challenge on accomplishments when you had none yourself...and ended up looking stoopid...standing in the dark with empty out turned pockets.
Earth to ramset...Buzz is no Tesla...and yes I would throw him out if he had a foul mouth...but that could never happen, because people with great minds do not lower themselves to such mindless vitriol.
And Buzz makes another plea for decorum laced with troll reference...thats just too much.
Unless I miss my guess, this 'thread is rockin' because everybody vis waiting to see how bad you 3 are going to look in the end...and how long you will hold up in front of the mirror.
Its a little late for that...but hey, any port in a storm I guess.
All of a sudden you remembered you invented all these things huh ?
The only thing you are capable of inventing is another way to make yourself look stupider.
Before you go there...Al Gore already invented the internet.
Back on topic?
This "subject" has been kicked off several forums to date. It a bit "uncanny".
All of the so called anomalies are related. To Hell with it now. Anyone who deserves to know will figure it out themselves - trolls can't stop intuition.
(Still waiting for that patent number, you could have made up a few by now.)
Since the topic is cavitation and how that is used to produce OU, and cap-z-ro claims to have an OU device, I would like to know more about that.
Basically my cavitation theory is being discussed and tested. So my objective is to find a device that is clearly OU that violates me theory. It isn't about a belief or being right, it is about being correct regarding the science.
So since Cap-Z-ro has made a claim, claimed he has a patent and would probably know something about his battery charger thing, maybe he could post a patent number so we can get started.
We can talk about the magnifier at the other forum since it seems to upset Cap-z-ro. Anybody got a patent number?
Dann,
Where is the pdf?
This Grumpy/Abusive character is mostly an interloper on other people's threads...gave up initiating his own...likely due to lack of interest.
He and Buzz have shown their propensity for abuse over rides the interest of the membership regarding this thread.
Every time things start to run smoothly again, the come in with the flame thrower.
His posts are increasing in intensity...indicating great frustration...yet his ego will not let him stop.
In his mind Grumpy/Abusive desperately hopes that the more bombastic his posts are the more people will forget that he got caught bull shitting about his imaginary money making Patents.
So far he showed that he is abusive, crass, and a liar...so far.
There is a time to hold and a time to fold...the trick is to know when.
Regards...
A newbie enters throwing gas.
The newbie goes by the name MaddDann.
The same initials of Buzz'z previous alias MeltDown.
Coincidence...I don't think so.
Well...that just about wraps things up folks.
Buzz's cover is blown...he is a troll and here to cause strife, nothing else.
Likely one of those socially dysfunctional paid spooks here to throw everyone off something someone is getting close to.
Too bad for the 2 members he took down with him...but it was their abusive nature that was their undoing.
Regards...
I'm not Maddan and this is what they try and bury. It appears to be the secret to Meyer's electron extraction and what makes it work based on the reaction to navel intel's attempt to bury it under pedantic banter. I've been able to learn a lot from them based on how they react.
Once again, cavitation only this time from a H2 to H1 transmute. The gas must pull electrons out of the water and convert them to photons just like Meyer stated in his lectures.
Don't answer unless you want, but what exactly are you trying to
achieve in the cavitation topic? Most everything you write sounds
like it's a been written by a redneck idiot. You're probably not, so
what are you trying to achieve? How does this help any of us?
Just curious ....
tak
Firstly though..I received this PM from a "recently new member"...
possibly another Buzz moniker....the style fits.
If someone I respected told me that I would be out of here in a flash...
discounting the PM I got from Tak22 - likely another Buzz alias.
Cap
if you look to the right [members online]you will see all the people you are accusing of being buzz including Tak22
you really need to stop this
And let this thread continue
What is a highly disruptive dielectric current? - It's literally the BS that is goin' on in this thread LOL
OK, now the real thing. I don't know if the term "highly disruptive dielectric current" would be exact. I see it similar as sparks mentioned, but i would say that this is just the green thing that Tesla observed (radiant spark). If you ask me, it's all about high voltage and minimal (or no) current. If anyone has a better explanation, i'm all ears.
Nature is what lead me to it Ramset. I know that nature is simple and repeats itself from the smallest to the largest. So I spread out every free energy patent I had collected over decades on the floor and started walking around looking for a pattern. Cavitation is the pattern I found.
Nature only knows one method to convert energy into mass and to convert mass back into energy from what I can determine.
I don't know every detail of every free energy device but once the basic principle is known, people can find the different methods used to accomplish it.
Placing three coils or inductors in series is one method. The phase change makes the third coil no longer able to see the first. The inductors do not collapse at the same time and so an electromagnetic cavitation takes place. Thane Heins toroid is using this method, Hubbard, Cook, probably the magnifier, etc.
Pulse a gas under a vacuum with high voltage and electrons are removed from the gas when it transmutes is another method used in many devices such as the Methernitha, Papp engine, probably Meyer, etc. I feel this one could be dangerous - don't play with it unless you are well trained.
Cavitate a fluid and some of the fluid is converted into atomic energy contained in the fluid such as the Clem engine and others.
What all the devices have in common is they produce acceleration which is a result of cavitation.
This is what all free energy device have in common and is what I have been saying for a year now on several different web sites. At first I hinted at the connection and I was ignored. I wanted someone else to figure it out and release the information. Later I started spelling it out in black and white and I was attacked for it. That is confirmation from the spook community that occupy and run many of these sites.
What never happened in all that time, with hundreds of posts, is not one person ever pointed at a validated free energy device that proved my theory wrong.
Many books have been written on the subject and not one of those books ever showed anybody how to invent a free energy device and the real principle that makes them work. If they did, free energy devices would be everywhere.
I didn't need to invent a device to prove the theory, plenty of people already did. What the inventors didn't do is either understand or explain how the device worked so they could be easily replicated.
The moment you invent a device and publicly prove it, you are going to get placed under an illegal secrecy order to protect the oil companies and Jewish central bankers that control the money rackets across the earth. You lose the device and the rights to it.
You must find a qualified patent attorney and still the corrupt government is not going to allow you to sell it.
I feel the best way is to produce a set on instructions so detailed and complete that anyone can follow it. Then thousands of people will be able to overwhelm the corporate ignorance and mind control embedded in academic science to prevent people from freeing themselves from that tyranny and destroying their careers if they do.
It all begins with a thought, everything does. This is the reason thought integrity is so important. Good examples of the insanity that results from a lack of thought integrity such as projection are all around you. Stick to the truth of the science and ignore the crazies and you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.
Nature is what lead me to it Ramset. I know that nature is simple and repeats itself from the smallest to the largest. So I spread out every free energy patent I had collected over decades on the floor and started walking around looking for a pattern. Cavitation is the pattern I found.So, cavitation is the answer to any FE patent/device? OK...
Nature only knows one method to convert energy into mass and to convert mass back into energy from what I can determine.If you think about Einstein's famous formula - there are a few mechanism allowing to convert mass to energy. Care to name one technically viable which does the opposite? (energy to mass conversion).
I don't know every detail of every free energy device but once the basic principle is known, people can find the different methods used to accomplish it.This is a novel electrotechnics. Electromagnetic cavitation? ROTFLMAO! ;D
Placing three coils or inductors in series is one method. The phase change makes the third coil no longer able to see the first. The inductors do not collapse at the same time and so an electromagnetic cavitation takes place. Thane Heins toroid is using this method, Hubbard, Cook, probably the magnifier, etc.
Pulse a gas under a vacuum with high voltage and electrons are removed from the gas when it transmutes is another method used in many devices such as the Methernitha, Papp engine, probably Meyer, etc. I feel this one could be dangerous - don't play with it unless you are well trained.Methernitha community? Papp noble gas engine? Meyer OU electrolysis?
Cavitate a fluid and some of the fluid is converted into atomic energy contained in the fluid such as the Clem engine and others.Gee. You've just made the cavitation phenomenon more important (and fancy) than, e.g., radiation. Congrats!
What all the devices have in common is they produce acceleration which is a result of cavitation.
This is what all free energy device have in common and is what I have been saying for a year now on several different web sites. At first I hinted at the connection and I was ignored. I wanted someone else to figure it out and release the information. Later I started spelling it out in black and white and I was attacked for it. That is confirmation from the spook community that occupy and run many of these sites.WHICH FE DEVICES??? THIS IS JUST YOUR FANTASY! YOU'VE POSTULATED YOUR OWN THEORY, FOR A NON EXISTENT THINGS!!
What never happened in all that time, with hundreds of posts, is not one person ever pointed at a validated free energy device that proved my theory wrong.There are no FE devices (yet), ergo "your" theory is a fiction.
Many books have been written on the subject and not one of those books ever showed anybody how to invent a free energy device and the real principle that makes them work. If they did, free energy devices would be everywhere.:o
I didn't need to invent a device to prove the theory, plenty of people already did. What the inventors didn't do is either understand or explain how the device worked so they could be easily replicated.
The moment you invent a device and publicly prove it, you are going to get placed under an illegal secrecy order to protect the oil companies and Jewish central bankers that control the money rackets across the earth. You lose the device and the rights to it.Forget about conspiracies, etc.
You must find a qualified patent attorney and still the corrupt government is not going to allow you to sell it.
I feel the best way is to produce a set on instructions so detailed and complete that anyone can follow it. Then thousands of people will be able to overwhelm the corporate ignorance and mind control embedded in academic science to prevent people from freeing themselves from that tyranny and destroying their careers if they do.
It all begins with a thought, everything does. This is the reason thought integrity is so important. Good examples of the insanity that results from a lack of thought integrity such as projection are all around you. Stick to the truth of the science and ignore the crazies and you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.
A "spinner" is a type of sail - yet another nautical term... It just has to be US naval intelligence, an oxymoron if there ever was one. Notice how they travel and post in a pack?
You're right Grumpy, they are amateurs in every sense of the word but before they lose their contracts, let us have our fun with them? I'll have to share a funny NIS story with you privately some time. This wouldn't be the first time I had a laugh at their expense.
You nailed it Grumpy. They can't step in without proof that you have the goods and is why they try to bully people into posting pictures of a device. That and they can learn about you from what else is in the picture, especially if you bought the camera with a credit card since they encode the camera info. into the picture.
I don't have to build a device, so many others have. :-)
Hey grumpy, ever noticed that the tube on top the Methernitha Swiss ML has a pick up coil wound of loose steel inside and then it is surrounded by a thick tube?
People say that is a valve tube but I find that unlikely since the diodes can be clearly seen on the sides of the center post.
The inner tube has a gas in it under vacuum - there is your acceleration. The thick tube surrounding it is to shield the radiation.
Also, if you find the right photo, you can see the U shaped magnets are wired together at the top which splits magnetically the electron stream. Again a cavitation and we call that form of cavitation Aharonov Bohm effect.
Ever notice how on the smaller older units there is that bar magnet with a bunch of winding on the end? - Same thing - splitting an electron stream.
The Swiss ML appears to use two cavitation (acceleration) techniques.
Funny thing is, for 100K (after taxes) I would have just shut up and taken up golf as plainly stated on other web sites. Instead, they spend a small fortune on amateur Mossad and NIS spooks that can't keep a cover even while hiding behind a computer. Please stop wasting our tax dollars?
@Grumpy
- Your experiments looks very interesting. All of what you wrote only confirms what Bedini talks about (overcharged caps and batteries, no heat when charging a battery,...) but this just can't be the electricity that we use every day, so it has to be the beast that he calls negative energy - radiant energy.
Awesome lecture by stan meyer, if you haven't seen it already. This guy is/was brilliant..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyqQ-jXePO0&feature=channel_page
Problem with Stan Meyer is he had a shitload of "iron" in the fire. What is very obvious from his work is that voltage is where it is at. And we don't need to have charge carriers to move it around. Voltage makes mass do things and it doesn't have to be limited to popping electrons from one atom to the next. I took the wire that goes to the crt in a yardsale pcmonitor and attached it to an iron coil. Then extended the iron coil ends down through a block of pvc and then powered up the old monitor. Instant ozone generator then these two flares coming off the ends of the wire started lifting a piece of paper towards them. The ends of the wire were around 15kv over ground. There was no obvious anode or cathode just these two little flares.
I stuck my paw in there after making sure I was insulated from Earth. Damn little flares were sucking the heat right out of my hand 6" away from where the light dropped off. I have never sensed cold coming from inside my hand. Plenty of sensing cold coming into my hand but never being generated by my hand. Now most of us exchange heat with the field in the infrared spectrum. I got an idea that a plasma is a heat sucker innner. Imagine being able to convert a wide spectrum of electromagnetic waves into electron acceleration. I believe the same thing went on when I microwaved a paperclip with a couple of drops of water nearby. Damn plasma started suckingup microwaves. Hell space is filled with microwaves.
Cosmic background radiation. I gotta get me a thermocouple and see how cold it gets near those little birkeland currents I had going.
Modify: Remember Grumpy said something about coils freezing the ground.
I have a theory why 100% don't pursue it, because the statement you just made is not true.I believe the energy coming from Thane's device is thermal energy. In terms of negating Lenz law, I think those particular experiments by Thane could be explained with the capacitance between all of the windings. Such an investigation is not simple and requires a scope, and you need to analyze all of the coils and the mutual inductance from each coil to other coils and the parallel capacitance of each winding.
Thane Heins is nicely demonstrating how a high voltage coil can negate Lentz law and produce OU energy. It is hardly exotic and the technique was used in many free energy devices in the past such as the Hubbard coil and Cook patent.
Using diodes on the other hand to collect thermal energy is pretty far out there for some people including myself and to my knowledge has not been validated with working free energy devices by others.All of Tom Schum's voltage readings on his diode array and all of CMB's (two) show a DC voltage, on all of the diode arrays. CMB claims his 1993 THz diode chip produced 100mV DC in a shielded room and oil bath.
If you on the other hand, prove that the leads of your volt meter are not picking up or donating some stray charge and you prove that it is cost effective and you prove that anyone can replicate a device that produces large amounts of current, then I am sure lots of people will get involved.I've done that. Where are all of these people?
Until then, it looks like a busy work distraction to get people to produce tiny amounts of electricity that most do not have the expertise and equipment to measure as it is so small and so it really can't be proven to be OU or useful. Haven't seen that since the self running cold electricity that in the end, didn't self run or produce cold electricity.You completely missed my point. The ambient thermal energy exists, and I've outlined two methods of capturing such energy. 1) Diodes. 2) Magnetic material.
Nobody here can produce high density diode array chips and so it is pie in the sky until someone does. Soldering a bunch of tiny diodes together with a cap is not going to produce a free energy device that matters in the real world of power consumption.
This thread about the cavitation link to free energy devices that have been created and validated in the past.Please show me one design with part numbers, and all the details to make it, that is self-running. The only one I know of is my diode array. You are basing your theory on the Aharonav Bohm effect. It is well known, verified, and tested that the Aharonav Bohm effect is an extremely difficult effect to detect. There's no macro big effect that you speak of. What you emailed me is just simply not the Aharonav Bohm effect. I could just as easily say the above machines capture ambient thermal energy. For now, there's no validation for this cavitation. My point is that ambient thermal energy is well proven and accepted by conventional physics. I just find it odd that nearly 100% of the people in the "free energy" community ignore real known energy and for decades keep trying to capture unknown exotic energy when they're surround with massive amounts of thermal energy that is sustained by the Sun. In a matter of two years, one person, myself, designed and built a "free energy" machine that anyone can build that includes the exact part numbers. Sure, it produces hardly no power, but it proves it's possible. Diodes is not the only method. You can use magnetic materials.
Gray tube
Methernitha
Hubbard coil
Tesla Magnifier
Thane Heins
Just to name a few... These are hardly "unknown exotic energies that are unproven."
If two plates of a charged capacitor facing each other are moved further apart what happens to the space inbetween. Does it cavitate?
@ Paul - good luck with the diodes.OK, thank's for comments, that goes to everyone.
Please forgive me if my search is faulty.
Where is it shown that the final stage of cavitation has any more energy in it than the initial step in cavitation?
There is no doubt cavitation can provide results indicating extremely high energy during the rebound portion but to my understanding that rebound is the same amount of energy in a much shorter time span.
With that thought cavitation is equivalent to many other interesting aspects of this research like BEMF and capacitive discharge. None of those provide more energy than what was put in the circuit. It just concentrates that same energy (with the normal losses) into a much shorter time span.
If I am completely wrong then please point me to something I can try on the bench.
Thanks!
Exploding wire experiments:
Compression is always several orders of magnitude larger (i.e. has more energy) than decompression.
Exploding a wire with the negative terminal will not produce near the results of using the positive terminal - both with capacitor discharge as energy source.
I can quote some references if you want them.
@ loner - The first line - "Let us consider ring-shaped core transformers - … it is easier to draw them."
I built something along this line recently and the transformer seemed to resonate at 21MHZ - the ferro nuclear resonant frequency of iron. I don't have a frequency counter that goes that high but based on my old scope appeared to be right in that range and was similar to Meyer's burst waves that he was showing at the end of his notes.
The part that is most interesting is that the inductors do not collapse at the same time and so I could imagine a cavitation taking place similar to what Thane Heins has going.
It is just a tutorial and an interesting one at that. Also get to know a little more about Marinov. He figured out the Hubbard trick and his work shows how to start the coil with a glancing arc against the inductor. Read the Seattle intelligencer article of the boat account and how Hubbard arced / struck a wire against a metal plate for five minutes until he got it working.
Exploding wire experiments:
Compression is always several orders of magnitude larger (i.e. has more energy) than decompression.
Exploding a wire with the negative terminal will not produce near the results of using the positive terminal - both with capacitor discharge as energy source.
I can quote some references if you want them.
I think the secret to "free energy" is ambient thermal energy. I would consider ZPE as a form of thermal energy
Order and Chaos Yid and the Yang Create order and the chaotic will spread quickly into the vacated field. When we remove the chaotic from water it freezes and forms a more ordered state. When the ice melts it draws into it's lattice disorder and becomes chaotic.
For what i can understand, the process is similar to a vortex process -I read in a book that attraction in magnets isn't due to the South-N or N-S. Magnetic attraction is due to Vortex running in the same direction or vortex running in different directions.
....The ferro-nuclear resonant frequency of an Iron?
I built something along this line recently and the transformer seemed to resonate at 21MHZ - the ferro nuclear resonant frequency of iron. I don't have a frequency counter that goes that high but based on my old scope appeared to be right in that range and was similar to Meyer's burst waves that he was showing at the end of his notes.
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It is just a tutorial and an interesting one at that. Also get to know a little more about Marinov. He figured out the Hubbard trick and his work shows how to start the coil with a glancing arc against the inductor. Read the Seattle intelligence article of the boat account and how Hubbard arced / struck a wire against a metal plate for five minutes until he got it working.
Maybe thermal energy in form of radiation?If you don't mind, I'd like to respond that in the other thread in a moment. Not sure this thread is related to thermal energy. -->
The ferro-nuclear resonant frequency of an Iron?I spent a long time working with NMR (nuclear magnetic resonance). There is no single resonance frequency for iron or any particle in terms of NMR. The resonant frequency is relative to the magnetic field the nucleus is in. For, example, the iron nucleus resonant frequency in a 7.2 Tesla field is 9.718MHz, and 16.188MHz in a 11.744 Tesla field. Here's a table -->
Bill
As I understand the cavitation Theory
It involves OU devices that do not RECEIVE energy [simplest example like an antennae]
Or Pauls device [receives energy through the environment ]
Chet
Does your device work based on cavitation?Of course not. It is a known fact that ambient thermal energy produces Johnson noise. It is very simple to measure Johnson noise. The energy comes from ambient thermal energy.
Does your device work based on cavitation? If not, then the theory is incorrect.LOL, well that's a rather closed minded statement. I'd tend to believe that thermal noise is far far far far far far far more well proven to be a source of power than cavitation. I, along with millions of EE's can show you simple experiments to measure voltage fluctuations caused by ambient thermal energy. If you have some evidence that an iron core with wire windings causes matter to be converted into energy then by all means *please* post the details that include the gamma radiation readings. :D
***EDIT*** I wanted to add that this is The Buzz'z theory and if it turns out to be true, then he should get the credit for it. I don't see it that way at this point, but, you never know.TheBuzz, he's prometheus, the same creator of the SMOT, correct?
Of course not. It is a known fact that ambient thermal energy produces Johnson noise. It is very simple to measure Johnson noise. The energy comes from ambient thermal energy.
LOL, well that's a rather closed minded statement. I'd tend to believe that thermal noise is far far far far far far far more well proven to be a source of power than cavitation. I, along with millions of EE's can show you simple experiments to measure voltage fluctuations caused by ambient thermal energy. If you have some evidence that an iron core with wire windings causes matter to be converted into energy then by all means *please* post the details that include the gamma radiation readings. :D
TheBuzz, he's prometheus, the same creator of the SMOT, correct?
PL
Paul has asked you to do a simple experiment that would show that you are correct or incorrect and yet, you say no one has challenged your theory.So far TheBuzz (Prometheus) has ignored my suggestion of using a $15 Geiger counter to test his theory. When will everyone begin to catch on as to what's happening to the "free energy" community. Several years ago I encouraged Stefan to begin detailed IP tracking. It's always the same thing, just a different theme. A new username. The same people. The end result's are always the same, which is a huge waste of everyone's time. They have no interest in making money, so people should take a guess what their goal is. Anyhow, again -->
If you don't like what I am posting, please feel free to start your own topic and continue your abuse over there.
Bill
I don't work for you Paul and I have better things to do than silly experiments for you. Why don't you do your own experiments in your own thread as suggested.
According to Paul, anyone that is not in it for profit is suspect? Wow... I'm glad most of us don't think like that. Our hobby is searching for free energy, apparently you have a problem with that?
This thread is about the cavitation link to free energy devices and that link has been well established.
So far, until someone posts a validated free energy device that is not a receiver, all of them appear to use cavitation to convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass.So far my diode array is the *only* published "free energy" device that includes every detail, part numbers, how to replicate, that would produce "free energy." So, just out of curiousity, what "validated free energy" machines have you validated?
What Paul is trying to bait me into is producing a nuclear fusion device so that the government can justify arresting me or placing me under a secrecy order. Sorry Paul, while I was born in the morning, it wasn't this morning. It is an old suppression trick they use - nice try.Huh? LOL, that's funny. No, I'm trying to get you to test your theory. Also, I'm trying to save the time of legitimate researchers. BTW, students and professors at Universities are working on nuclear fusion. It's not illegal, and they're not in jail. So it's a bit silly to say that by me asking you to test for gamma radiation is some attempt to get you put in jail.
Paul, I did not cite the MEG and to my knowledge the MEG did not ever produce OU and I certainly never claimed that the MEG did a Fe56 to Fe54 transmute.This needs quoting since TheBuzz (Prometheus), via email, threatened to delete all of his posts.
Paul, I don't know where your imaginary MEG argument came from but it has nothing to do with my theory to my knowledge but my knowledge of Beardens MEG is zero. Bearden in my mind has no credibility - he is an ex-navel intel agent. If anything he ever wrote had any value, someone would have taken the information in one of his books and put it to good use producing a free energy device. To my knowledge it has not happened. Where are they?
Next - it is my understanding that in order to run an accelerator, you need a license. I would assume universities have the necessary license and so the students are naturally not be in jail. Once again, your argument seems baseless and devoid of fact, scientific or otherwise.
While I do trust much of what Naudin says, he is but one person and fallible. Notice he didn't include the accelerator coil in his Meyer replication schematic but it is visible in the photo? What up?
Now if your idea is so good, why don't you go buy a bunch of diodes or manufacture a chip and get rich selling energy?
Last (and it would be nice if it were the last I heard of your baseless misquotes), I could care less about conventional physics since conventional physics has more holes in it than swiss cheese just like your most recent mis-statement regarding the MEG.
To my knowledge, nobody has ever gotten Bedini's pulse motor to run OU for an extended period of time either, but I don't know what I don't know.
So why don't you build a MEG, make it run OU, buy a counter and prove me wrong. It is not my job to prove myself wrong but would gladly admit it if I were. It is just about the science with me, not some false ego driven need to be right.
I actually wish you could prove me wrong. The Methernitha is a device that was highly validated. The Gray tube is another. Please post a highly validated free energy device that was not a receiver that did not use cavitation to convert mass into the atomic energy contained within mass.
Bottom line, they will all use acceleration or cavitation to produce the same result.
Some of your views on transmutation need to be updated. Walter Russell transmuted flourine in a well-known and well-documented experiment - I don't recall this producing any radiation.Please provide the details, such as how thick was the shielding? As far as I'm aware any verified nuclear fusion device that produces usable amounts of power also produces gamma radiation. You need to shield such radiation.
How can you produce your own thermal noise by cavitation of some medium and then collect more energy?Thermal noise is not produced by cavitation. It's well know that it is caused by ambient thermal energy; i.e. all particles on a microscopic scale vibrate. Get a 10X magnifying glass, and with some patience you'll see Brownian motion, which is caused by ambient thermal energy. Get a cheap $40 microscope and you'll easily see Brownian motion. Just sprinkle some light particles such as powdered cumin (cooking spice) on water. The cumin will randomly jitter all over the place. This random movement is caused by ambient thermal energy that exists is all matter all the time.
Please provide the details, such as how thick was the shielding? As far as I'm aware any verified nuclear fusion device that produces usable amounts of power also produces gamma radiation. You need to shield such radiation.
Thermal noise is not produced by cavitation. It's well know that it is caused by ambient thermal energy; i.e. all particles on a microscopic scale vibrate. Get a 10X magnifying glass, and with some patience you'll see Brownian motion, which is caused by ambient thermal energy. Get a cheap $40 microscope and you'll easily see Brownian motion. Just sprinkle some light particles such as powdered cumin (cooking spice) on water. The cumin will randomly jitter all over the place. This random movement is caused by ambient thermal energy that exists is all matter all the time.
PL
In 1927 Russell transmuted distilled H2O into significant amounts of hydrogen, or helium, or nitrogen, or fluorine - at the Westinghouse Laboratories.
In 1958-1961 Russell worked with NORAD in pulling energy from the cosmos with his dually sexed coils methodology - reported success
what people have posted as examples of cavitation.
The list is far from complete but thus far the theory has stood.
Cavitation of a fluid
The Pistol Shrimp
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc
Self running free energy machine
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qhwQt1tJYa8
Ultrasonic Cavitation
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0oNZcLyCR_Q&NR=1
Propeller Cavitation
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KExSxt-lo5c&NR=1
Snapping Shrimp
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ONQlTMUYCW4
Sonoluminescence
http://keelytech.com/sonoluminescence.html
Codename "Shkval-Torpedo": Super-cavitation is a loop-hole in physics
http://www.articlesextra.com/supercavitation-torpedoes.htm
Producing nuclear fusion with the help of cavitation inside a glass of water
http://www.articlesextra.com/cavitation-fusion-nuclear.htm
Overunity free energy water heater from WITS
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxnEQssJ4FQ
John Worrell Keely-dale pond pt1
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TMEpCpzahFY&feature=PlayList&p=A426FDF5BA3CD7FD&index=0
Cavitation and Fusion
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StringhamRcavitationb.pdf
FUELLESS HEATER NO FUEL NO GAS NO WOOD NO GREEN HOUSE GASES
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_-DUKQ4Uw
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_fusion
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Sonofusion
http://sonofusionjets.com/
Cavitation in Microgravity (Full Movie)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gR0YBAhY2PQ
The Clem Engine
http://www.rexresearch.com/clemengn/clemengn.htm
Methernitha - Cavitation of a H2 plasma to produce H2 H1 transmute.
Russell used no shielding. He used a quartz tube (container) and manipulated fields of energy in such a way to bring about the transmuation from water.IMO Russel was a great man who worked on a lot of things, but what you're referring to has never been verified. WikiPedia has a more unbiased point of view -->
http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia:Walter_Russell
Google "Walter Russell" flourine transmuted for more info.
"Ambient thermal energy"? So, what causes it? Is there no way to use cavitation to produce this "ambient thermal energy"?Did you go to my website? The Universe is nothing but energy. It's always exists. The big bang. Before the big bang. So how could I answer your question. It just exists. All matter is continually vibrating. If you doubt this then get a $40 microscope and you'll easily see Brownian motion.
When I find it Maybe Paul will stop running around the forum with Geiger counter sales brochure's?I'm not selling anything. I took the time to find you various Geiger counters for sale at ebay.
A few facts regarding Paul's radiation challenge and his mis-quotes attempting to smear me or distort the information I have presented:If we look at that meter, it's not difficult for the human eye to see 0.01 units change. In 0.1 mode, that comes to 1e-3 rem per hour, which equals 8.8 rem per year. The blackground dose of natural radiation received by a US citizen is 0.3 rem per year-- reference -->
1. The average person is exposed to 85 millirem of ionizing radiation per year. That is 1/1000 of a rem.
2. That 45 year old survey meter was not designed to detect small amounts of radiation brand new as the scale goes from 1 - 5 rem. In fact, the old joke that goes with those old civil defense meters is "If you ever had to use one and the needle moves, you are dead."
3. To expect to measure a low energy particle coming from a core wrapped in copper which shields the core in order to collect any beta and gamma radiation would be silly and becomes laughable once you expect to measure it with a 45 year old survey meter that was not designed to measure low level radiation to begin with..
4. During a Fe56 to Fe54 transmute through ferro nuclear resonance it is my understanding that Fe55 is not produced and both Fe56 and Fe54 are stable isotopes.
Perhaps Naudin should have placed a phosphorus filter near the inductor and maybe Paul should stick to building hydrogen line crystal radios or whatever it is he is doing that he claims nobody is interested in. Preferably in his own thread.
If Paul can't do his own flawed experiments with the wrong test equipment then why would I?
One other thing Paul might do is stop misquoting me.
How convernient for you to ignore the very salient point #3. Your argument appears to be as sloppy as your science.There was no reason to address point #3 because it *should* go without saying that the gamma rays will easily penetrate the iron core with copper windings. Even natural occurring Uranium ore would easily set off these Gieger counters.
Sorry Paul... nice try though. Why don't you save up your pennies so that someday you can afford a 45 year old survey meter in unknown condition costing $15.00 and a magnifieing glass in order to do your own flawed experiment.
Maybe if you employed a bit more integrity in your science you could afford a $15.00 surplus meter.
I firmly agree with conventional physics on this one, that any nuclear fusion that produces usable amounts of power will produce gamma radiation.
Did you go to my website? The Universe is nothing but energy. It's always exists. The big bang. Before the big bang. So how could I answer your question. It just exists. All matter is continually vibrating. If you doubt this then get a $40 microscope and you'll easily see Brownian motion.
PL
Conventional nuclear fusion is brute force. The method of transmutation that we are discussing is finesse.If you can provide mathematics then scientists are willing to listen, including myself.
I know all matter is vibrating, but this is not a very usable form of energy, as you well know. People are not interested in vibrating particles, diodes, or other anomalous circuits that produce minute amounts of excess energy. It takes 20kW+ to run you car electrically, and 5kW+ for you home. You need to look for 1000:1 gain.You did not read my website. You'll see where it goes over the mathematics showing how a diode array chip is predicted to produce kilowatts. :)
About your wire gamma ray detector. That's not a good idea, even if it was sensitive enough, because you wouldn't know if it's picking up gamma rays, radio frequency waves, or even electrostatic fields that could be caused by just about anything.
If you can provide mathematics then scientists are willing to listen, including myself.
You did not read my website. You'll see where it goes over the mathematics showing how a diode array chip is predicted to produce kilowatts. :)
PL
Here is a million dollar quesion: Does a Geiger counter respond to lightning?
Hint: storm chasers use them.
;D No Bovine Excrement!
It is a handy tool for locating a well formed tornado when the visibility is zero, as well!
I just used one three days ago. Darned thing only missed my house by 1.5 miles! For lightning the range is based upon the strength of the strike more than distance. And that is using a used GM tube with parts from my junk box.
So, what do Geiger counters actually detect?
Thanes just recently said the same thing, so he also agrees with us.Actually, here's the exact quote -->
FOR SOMEONE TO SAY IT IS "ONLY" THIS OR THAT IS JUST LIMITED THINKING LIKE ME SAYING THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO FLY.
MY THEORY IS:
THAT THERE ARE AN INFINITE NUMBER OF FREE ENERGY DEVICES OUT THERE OR WAYS TO MAKE THEM...
JUST LIKE THERE ARE AN INFINITE NUMBER OF WAYS TO FLY - OR CRASH OR MAKE A LIGHT BULB.
AND OBVIOUSLY SOME ARE BETTER (AND SAFER) THAN OTHERS AND INFINITELY MANY ARE YET TO BE DISCOVERED.
As far as I'm aware, my diode array is the first documented legit "free energy" device that includes every detail, including part #'s, that anyone could build using SMS7630 diodes, which the semiconductor industry refers to as Zero Bias Diodes. Please see my website and forum for details -->
Tesla has two patents on radiant energy receivers that capture naturally occurring radiant energy. There was a nicely documented experiment confirming that the method works. So, your diodes are not the first.I don't know what you mean by radiant energy, but a solar cell captures solar energy, but obviously I'm referring to a different class of "free energy" machines. As you know, there are perhaps countless "free energy" machines, and I'd agree that it's possible a lot of them were legit, but the public does not have enough details right now to build such a "free energy" machine. Otherwise, I and others would build them right now and start powering my car and home. Are you kidding me, :D , I'd love that!!!
Eric Dollard has written and experimented a great deal with Tesla Transformers. These are deemed to be OU, but I guess they do not fall under the "anyone can build" statement.
On the Geiger Counter, don't they respond to displacement current? - which is not an electron current.
Hey Grumpy,
My usage of the term "free energy machine" here is a perpetual motion machine of the *2nd kind* or *1st kind.* -->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion_machine#Classification
Check it out. Most would consider my diode array a perpetual motion machine of the 2nd kind, not the first. When most people hear the term "perpetual motion," they're probably thinking of the 1st kind, not the 2nd kind.
I would include any machine that capture *unknown* energy, or energy that conventionally speaking is consider inaccessible (such as ZPE) as part of thermal energy, which would fall under the perpetual motion machine of the 2nd kind category.
PL
I'm not interested in "perpetual motion", only conversion and magnification of energy, and, of course, the smashing of "trolls" along the way. ;DYou obviously didn't read the wikipedia page. You never read anything I link to. :D Read it again.
ever heard of:Are you claiming my diode array does not produce DC power across a load???
Feynman's "Brownian ratchet": A "perpetual motion" machine which extracts work from thermal fluctuations and appears to run forever but really only runs as long as the environment is warmer than the ratchet.
Paul I suppose this thread opens a challenge,That's a good question for everyone. It's my firm opinion that it would require large and expensive equipment along with tons of future research to produce nuclear fusion by means of cavitation where the output was greater than the input. So I'd say none of the "free energy" machines are caused by cavitation.
Of all the free energy devices listed by the BUZZ ,which do you claim to know are not caused by cavitation?
Again we are not talking about RECEIVING devices
Chet
Nor can you say what does not. But given the fact that the Methernitha for 30 years has been building these devices and using them to power their community lends credibility to me and takes what little you had away.That's all we ask, that you be honest.
My guess is there is a large paper capacitor in the base to get it running the right direction after stopping. My guess is that they use a H2 to H1 transmute and the reason they feel it is dangerous. My guess is that they use anarov Bohm effect to convert the electrostatic energy into since the device can be clearly seen on the horseshoe magnets and in earlier designs the long bar magnets with the wad of coil on the ends.
If I had one running here beside me I would not tell or show you Paul since that is what you are all about, free energy suppression and that is what it takes to get the ball moving on your end.Please prove it. Or is this just another one of your outbursts?
Prove it? You did that with ever post you have made regarding this subject.TheBuzz, how is it that my claim to violate the Laws of Thermodynamics with a "free energy" device, my diode array, a form of suppression? How is asking you or someone to purchase a gamma radiation meter to provide some form of proof as a form of suppression? How is Truth-Seeking (asking for some proof) a form of suppression?
But given the fact that the Methernitha for 30 years has been building these devices and using them to power their community lends credibility to me and takes what little you had away.This fascinates me. Could someone, besides TheBuzz ;), please show a reference. I would like to add the Methernitha to my web forums lists of "free energy" machines.
Prove it? You did that with every useless post you have made regarding this subject.If anything, TheBuzz, you are the one trying to suppress "free energy." You outburst when someone even ask to test your theory, such as with a Geiger counter. You make outrageous statements based on nothing. I am trying to provide hardcore proof. Did you happen to read my website where it states a diode array *wafer* could provide kilowatts of power per square meter? At least I provide the mathematics and real experiments to prove the concept works. All you have done is try to trash my diode research and boo hoo it. :)
The tactics used to suppress are:
1. Get them doing busy work that produces no power of any threat to the energy companies. That would be your diode thingy.
2. Bait the person into getting mad and then get them banned. Been there, fell for that already.
3. Bury the information under useless dribble. You every post regarding cavitation?
4. Change the subject / information / title / etc. Nuclear fusion? Geiger counters? Maybe.. I said electron clustering followed by electron cascade.
And if none of that works, just grind em down 24/7. It took over 300 pages to grind Thane Heins down to where he stopped posting and he is a whimp compared to me.
I find I learn more from the reaction by the spooks than I do from the honest players in this infested forum. You are so obvious in your intent, any honest player knows that I nailed it by your reaction.
Maybe Hartman could help you out with that. This should bring back memories...I'd appreciate it, but you were the one who made the statement --> "But given the fact that the Methernitha for 30 years has been building these devices and using them to power their community lends credibility to me and takes what little you had away."
The history of the Methernitha and their free energy device is well established. They no longer speak of it due to suppression. Nice work spooks.Do you have any facts, any public statements made by this community stating what you said?
Me suppress free energy? Ha! That is funny. Remember me? I'm the guy that figured out what they all have in common and posted the information.What do they have in common?
You on the other hand are the guy that claims it is not possible.What is not possible? I said nuclear cavitation is possible, but that I firmly believe it would require expensive equipment.
The world trashed your diode thingy by ignoring you. Most people would take the hint.How do you believe that when someone already successfully replicated my diode array.
Your claim that your energy receiver is the first free energy device got beat out by the crystal diode radio close to a hundred years go and more real free energy devices than I care to recite.Where does the energy come from?
Hum..... Well, the jury spoke already when you were ignored.How so, my new forum alone is getting traffic, and people are posting on there. Anyone who knows anything about websites knows that's good growth. :D
The problem with Tesla's work was there was too many waterfalls around. His idea was wireless power transmission using hf hv. So he wasn't in to any overunity devices. So when he describes a system using resonance to boot up or store power in a resonating system he thinks it is marvelous because now you can take the horsepower of the generator and dump it into a resonating system for maybe a few milliseconds and let her go through a transformer that pumps up a capacitor to alot of volts. Now once this capacitor is maxed out you dump it into an inductor where it results in alot of ringing and magnetic pulses inside the motor as the oscillations ring down. Where is the gain in all this system. Why not just run the motor off of the input voltage. Cause capacitors store up time. You can put 10watts in for 10 milliseconds and change it all into voltage inside the cap. Or you could just power a dc motor and piss away the 10watts for 10milliseconds. Now if you got this capacitor at a high voltage potential and you dump the voltage into a system that resonates now the motor gets magnetic energy which collapses and charges the capacitor back up which discharges into the motor again etc. It osciallates the system or vibrates the system. More in then out. For sure if your oscillations are 10watts for 1000 milliseconds. A gain in voltage at the expense of time is very much retrievable. A coil of high selfinductance takes it's sweet time manifesting the higher potential at it's terminals.
You obviously didn't read the wikipedia page. You never read anything I link to. :D Read it again.
Are you claiming my diode array does not produce DC power across a load???
PL