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sparks

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #345 on: December 27, 2008, 04:44:15 PM »
    Order and Chaos  Yid and the Yang     Create order and the chaotic will spread quickly into the vacated field.  When we remove the chaotic from water it freezes and forms a more ordered state.  When the ice melts it draws into it's lattice disorder and becomes chaotic. 
   An analogy would be 20 people using the same amount of energy running in random directions within a ring.  There are all sorts of people trying to pass through this ring of running around people but they cant because of the random motion of the 20 people within the ring.  Then the 20 people are "ordered" to use their energy to jump up and down instead of back and forth.   Now the ambient field or crowd can easily pass through or into the ring.

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #346 on: December 27, 2008, 04:53:51 PM »
    Order and Chaos  Yid and the Yang     Create order and the chaotic will spread quickly into the vacated field.  When we remove the chaotic from water it freezes and forms a more ordered state.  When the ice melts it draws into it's lattice disorder and becomes chaotic. 

I remember that I read Tachyonic energy is an universal particle, but we can only get energy from it if we use a High Level Order Material. I also remember that energy absorbtion from the vacuum is a process of Negative entropy (reverse entropy) that turns chaos(entropy) in order and this process is known as negentropy, and using the negentropy process we can tap energy from the vacuum, by ordering the virtual photons, I think this process is something related with the polarization process or something similar. We must also know that ElectroMagnetic energy is ANY order in the Virtual Photon Flux of the Vacuum.

So, with our theory, we can say that Cold is something related with order and Hot/Positive is something related with chaos. Cold/Negative energy can get energy from the vacuum, so the energy can be ordered by turning chaos into order (Negentropy). Hot means disorder-chaos.

This sounds interesting...  ;)

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #347 on: December 27, 2008, 09:01:58 PM »
Magnethos

"Boiling point is related with Pressure."

- There you go!

"So, with our theory, we can say that Cold is something related with order and Hot/Positive is something related with chaos. Cold/Negative energy can get energy from the vacuum, so the energy can be ordered by turning chaos into order (Negentropy). Hot means disorder-chaos."

- What about that: ok let's start somewhere... difference in pressure is a potential - from that we can get particle motion - from motion friction - from friction heat - from heat again pressure... Yes there are EM waves also in there, their frequency increases with heat (i think gravity is just a certain combination of all that) and maybe something else, but just to see better the entire picture in a simple way...
Now lets see the particle motion part - from that we can get difference in pressure - pressure increase in front of particle, pressure decrease at the back and right there is most probably cavitation going on. But what really is that? For what i can understand, the process is similar to a vortex process - it balances - moves the difference in pressure (energy), like a tornado or hurricane. what if you imagine a black hole? For what i know it does the same thing. And right there right through that hole the energy flows. Does this ring any bells? ...this thing can move the energy from a lower state to a higher state (or vice versa - not sure about that).
I just wrote this down from my thoughts in hope that it would help, so please correct me if you think i'm wrong somewhere...

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #348 on: December 27, 2008, 09:48:54 PM »
madddann

I think you're right because I read other work of a guy that was saying the same as you.

"Boiling point is related with pressure."
If anyone want see this, here you have a video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRZhzX67xHY

I have found another interesting video where the guy boils water using ice
NOTE: I don't know if this video is a fake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDoMBfSUSnY

Look at the similarities in both videos. When we decrease the pressure, water boils. When we put ice, water boils. So... water is absorsbing something... Maybe thermal energy in form of radiation?


Some days ago I thought about if melting point is related with resonance and not with temperature. Because if the boiling point is related with pressure, melting point is not related with heat... maybe it's related with ressonance. And I thought a possible way to perform a Cold Fussion(melting) experiment.

The theory you say seems to be ok, but remember there is also a 2nd electricity: The Cold/Negative electricity. In this kind of electricity when you draw more power, the system colds down more and more instead of heating up. I discussed what really is Thermal Energy (hot or cold), since cold is not
cold generation. Cold seems to be Heat absorbtion. I have discussed something related with pressure difference and the energy generation. I said that energy generation is possible while the poles are assymetrical. When the poles are assymetrical, there is a pressure difference of the virtual particles and electric generation is possible. I think amperage is not the amount of electrons that a dipole can draw in an amount of time. I believe amperage is the tame to turn from an asymmetric poles to a symmetric poles.
Discussion here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6384.0

I read gravitons are photon/antiphoton pairs.  Maybe Gravity is the opposite form of inertia, like an inverse inertia.
And I believe electricity are just photons, not electrons.


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For what i can understand, the process is similar to a vortex process -
I read in a book that attraction in magnets isn't due to the South-N or N-S. Magnetic attraction is due to Vortex running in the same direction or vortex running in different directions.

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #349 on: December 27, 2008, 10:47:13 PM »
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I built something along this line recently and the transformer seemed to resonate at 21MHZ - the ferro nuclear resonant frequency of iron. I don't have a frequency counter that goes that high but based on my old scope appeared to be right in that range and was similar to Meyer's burst waves that he was showing at the end of his notes.
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The ferro-nuclear resonant frequency of an Iron?
An Iron acts as a very good EM/heat converter when used as a core in High-frequency coils....... The magnetic lag of an iron is somewhere in the range of a few milliseconds..... That means a coil / energy with a frequency of a few tens of kHz or above is converted mostly to heat.
A 21 Mhz circuit with an iron core? RF heater....
 
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It is just a tutorial and an interesting one at that. Also get to know a little more about Marinov. He figured out the Hubbard trick and his work shows how to start the coil with a glancing arc against the inductor. Read the Seattle intelligence  article of the boat account and how Hubbard arced / struck a wire against a metal plate for five minutes until he got it working.

Marinov? Stefan? PM?
 ;D

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #350 on: December 28, 2008, 05:11:05 PM »
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Maybe thermal energy in form of radiation?
If you don't mind, I'd like to respond that in the other thread in a moment. Not sure this thread is related to thermal energy. -->

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6388.10


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The ferro-nuclear resonant frequency of an Iron?
I spent a long time working with NMR (nuclear magnetic resonance). There is no single resonance frequency for iron or any particle in terms of NMR. The resonant frequency is relative to the magnetic field the nucleus is in. For, example, the iron nucleus resonant frequency in a 7.2 Tesla field is 9.718MHz, and 16.188MHz in a 11.744 Tesla field. Here's a table -->

http://chemweb.unp.ac.za/chemistry/Physical_Data/NMR_properties.htm


Here's a question. Why not test the cavitation theory by detecting for hard X-rays or gamma rays?  It would take an infinitesimal amount of mass to energy conversion to detect the hard X-rays or gamma rays.

IMO the answer to "free energy" is right in front everyone's eyes, *ambient* thermal energy that exists in all matter all the time. My diode array experiments prove that it is possible to capture ambient thermal energy. My magnetic theory, based on conventional physics, shows that it's possible to capture more ambient thermal energy then humanity could ever use. Besides, such technology would not use up such ambient thermal energy. It would merely circulate it, so the thermal energy remains on Earth. Also, the Sun continual maintains such ambient thermal energy.

It boggles my mind how people continue to ignore this simple physics like the plague. If you people spent 1/1000th the time you spend on these other theories and idea on ambient thermal energy technology we would already have global "free energy!"  Ambient thermal energy does not *add* energy to the planet. It merely moves energy.

PL

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #351 on: December 28, 2008, 06:44:28 PM »
@ Paul:

The theory postulated is that all free energy devices are really cavitation.  (As I said in the first post of this topic, I do not necessarily believe this to be true, that is why it is being discussed)  If your thermal energy experiments with the diodes produce energy (from wherever) then it can be discussed here because the proposed theory encompasses ALL free energy devices.  Does your device work based on cavitation?  If not, then the theory is incorrect.  If so, then we can all learn something in the discussion that should follow.

As I said, I don't agree with this theory but, I don't have the background information to disagree with it intelligently. (So, I am trying to keep an open mind)  That is why I put the "?" in the title of this topic.

Bill             ***EDIT***  I wanted to add that this is The Buzz'z theory and if it turns out to be true, then he should get the credit for it.  I don't see it that way at this point, but, you never know.

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #352 on: December 28, 2008, 06:57:43 PM »
Bill
As I understand the cavitation Theory
It involves OU devices that do not RECEIVE energy [simplest example like an antennae]
Or Pauls device [receives energy through the environment ]
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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #353 on: December 28, 2008, 07:07:04 PM »
Bill
As I understand the cavitation Theory
It involves OU devices that do not RECEIVE energy [simplest example like an antennae]
Or Pauls device [receives energy through the environment ]
  Chet

Chet:

All OU devices "receive" energy from somewhere do they not?  Otherwise we would be creating energy which we all know is not possible.  This includes devices that "appear" to work on their own but, the energy is coming from somewhere, even if we can't identify the source at this time. I believe this applies to ZPE, energy from the aether, solar energy, etc.  In my opinion they all fall into the category of receiving and/or converting existing energy.  The universe has the same amount of energy now that it did when created.  I believe all we have ever done is receive energy or convert it. (This would include the pistol shrimp)  What do you think?

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #354 on: December 28, 2008, 07:13:54 PM »
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Does your device work based on cavitation?
Of course not. It is a known fact that ambient thermal energy produces Johnson noise. It is very simple to measure Johnson noise. The energy comes from ambient thermal energy.


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Does your device work based on cavitation?  If not, then the theory is incorrect.
LOL, well that's a rather closed minded statement. I'd tend to believe that thermal noise is far far far far far far far more well proven to be a source of power than cavitation. I, along with millions of EE's can show you simple experiments to measure voltage fluctuations caused by ambient thermal energy. If you have some evidence that an iron core with wire windings causes matter to be converted into energy then by all means *please* post the details that include the gamma radiation readings.   :D



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***EDIT***  I wanted to add that this is The Buzz'z theory and if it turns out to be true, then he should get the credit for it.  I don't see it that way at this point, but, you never know.
TheBuzz, he's prometheus, the same creator of the SMOT, correct?


PL

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #355 on: December 28, 2008, 07:28:56 PM »
Of course not. It is a known fact that ambient thermal energy produces Johnson noise. It is very simple to measure Johnson noise. The energy comes from ambient thermal energy.

LOL, well that's a rather closed minded statement. I'd tend to believe that thermal noise is far far far far far far far more well proven to be a source of power than cavitation. I, along with millions of EE's can show you simple experiments to measure voltage fluctuations caused by ambient thermal energy. If you have some evidence that an iron core with wire windings causes matter to be converted into energy then by all means *please* post the details that include the gamma radiation readings.   :D


TheBuzz, he's prometheus, the same creator of the SMOT, correct?




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Paul:

You misunderstood me, or I was not clear.  When I said that if your device is NOT cavitation, then the theory that ALL free energy devices are cavitation is incorrect.  Make more sense now?  You see, I don't think they are and I think that your type device is but one of other examples that do not fit this theory.  That was the point I was trying to make.  I am sorry if I was not clear.

I don't think my earth battery is using cavitation either.

Bill

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #356 on: December 28, 2008, 07:42:18 PM »
Bill
Its not my Theory
I have just noticed that the theory explains or helps to explain ,how when WE create an unstable /unnatural environment [cavitation] MOM [mother nature ]goes out of her way to reestablish order in that environment
This condition is opportunity knocking [a VERY VERY BIG window of opportunity]
 Chet
Receiving energy does not fall into Cavitation or the theory as I understand it
Perhaps the BUZZ can clear this up

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #357 on: December 28, 2008, 07:49:19 PM »
Thanks for clarifying Bill. It is my hope that global "free energy" will become a part of every day life as soon as possible. Therefore, obviously I nor anyone would want a lot of time wasted. So, it seems to me that the cavitation theory contained in this thread is about converting mass to energy. If that's correct, then *******PLEASE******* legitimate researchers test this cavitation theory and get it out of the way so these good people can start working on something else, as it's very simple to test this.  Energy to mass conversion will produce gamma rays. See it's producing gamma rays. It would take just an infinitesimal amount of mass-to-energy conversion to show up on a meter. If that is not the theory in this thread, and it's based on some unproven theoretical aether theory, then IMO that is going far far beyond what's necessary because it's well known that we're surrounded with ambient thermal energy. One billion joules per m^3 to be exact, and twice that for water. That's conventional physics. And such ambient thermal energy is sustained by our Sun. Ambient thermal energy is always in all matter, day and night.

PL

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #358 on: December 28, 2008, 08:04:23 PM »
All that's needed is a Geiger counter. There are well over a hundred for sale at ebay for less than $20.


Here's one for $15
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My ebay search showed close to 170 of them for sale. It's probably a good idea to test the cavitation theory to see if matter is being converted to energy. If it doesn't, then at least you're more prepared for a nuclear attack.  ;D

PL

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Re: Cavitation. The key to overunity?
« Reply #359 on: December 28, 2008, 08:13:30 PM »
The way I see it there are two types of alternate energy devices.
Those that use cavitation and those that don't.  ;D

Actually I see cavitation as a method of extracting energy from the Aether or ZPE or Vacuum which ever we call it.
Other alternate energy devices convert natural or radiant energy into a useful form. eg. solar cells.
I read somewhere that the amount of energy bombarding us from space
24/7 is enough to power 200,000 hundred watt bulbs for every man woman and child on the earth.
Collecting this source of energy would not come under cavitation, even thought the actual source of it may use cavitation.

But devices that actually convert matter into energy like fusion would use cavitation.
That is what we are here to prove.

I have fired up my argon discharge tubes again and am experimenting with using the output produced to run other things.
Filtering the output through a Microwave capacitor in series only allows the AC component to pass to the external circuit.
It is this AC component that is showing the OU characteristics. 
This is an idea I have been applying to other devices on this forum too.
Filter out the DC and measure the AC. (Important experiment for all)

When I get around to it I plan on feeding the output to a MOT primary with neo's connected to it like IST showed us.
If 19 volts gives us a large increase in current what would 400 volts give us?
Also plan on finding a way to get the output from #1 to run #2,
if successful then I will use the out put from #2 to run #1.  ;D

If you don't hear from me for a long time it may be because I discovered a new source
of endless energy and am no longer here. ;D ;D
I have left instructions with my sweetheart to let the forum know if something happens to me.   

We are  having an unusually warm spell around here the last few days,
I wounder if running my discharge tube has anything to do with it. ;D

Sorry guys I went to see "Yes Man" last night and am still in a comical mood today.