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madsen

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Re: 911 , a short clip
« Reply #45 on: September 01, 2008, 07:34:25 AM »
Not so fast maiteee!!!

There are some slight problems with your idea:

First, according to many aeronautical experts, including the famous son of the founder of Lear Jet, the alleged speed at which the craft would have hit the towers, is impossible at that altitude, because simply the fans of the motors are not designed to intake that much dense air, so they would choke and the plane fall and being uncontrollable. So, there goes the idea of using real planes.

Second, whatever caused the explosion at the collisions, was not only the possible colliding object, but there were also pre planted charges to cause the plane profile hole, which could not have cause by a real plane, as planes are basically a big alluminum can, and would not have been able to cut the hole they pretended us to believe, so, again, using real planes to cause the damage that was observed was not possible, and the cartoon like hole we saw was just another special FX to increase the drama.

In the Naudet shot of the first collision, a frame by frame analysis shows clearly how the "wing profile" is neatly caused by charges that explode after the initial hit of the "plane", which is IMHO even more embarassing to their poor fakery.

But this leads directly to the question of why whoever organized this very complex operation would exercise such poor fakery, as you put it.  So poor that it is apparent even in low resolution youtube videos and the like.  There is no need to have to planes going especially fast or making an extra-large hole in the towers.  The crashes would have been very dramatic no matter what.  It makes no sense to me the hoaxers would make their job more difficult by orders of magnitude AND make it obvious it was all fake by using scale model planes/missiles that didn't behave properly instead of actual 767s. [This is all stipulating that the missile/planes indeed were going too fast and the hole was too big, which I am not convinced of, but let's set that aside for the moment]

Plus there is the question of what happened to the passengers who were supposedly on these flights.  These no plane theories are pretty implausible for that reason alone.

One last thing, concerning the "nosing out" you referred to earlier.  There is a lengthy thread over at abovetopsecret on these videos.  On page 1, it is mentioned that this "nosing out" phenomenon during the second hit is actually also visible from a different angle.  Now, it looks to me like debris coming out the other side of the building, but if it were actually some sort of CGI mistake, isn't it odd that it happened in both views? 


ChileanOne

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Re: 911 , a short clip
« Reply #46 on: September 01, 2008, 01:27:37 PM »
Well, see for yourself.

About blowing the towers just with explosives, are you kidding, right?


khabe

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« Reply #47 on: September 01, 2008, 02:02:11 PM »
Some illiterate "engineers" have carried out silliness theories - folly schoolboys and embittered dirty old men try to play second fiddle in this stupid opus,
Those chumps give a shit about declining the authority of OverUnity site,
no more comments,
khabe

Eden

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Re: 911 , a short clip
« Reply #48 on: September 01, 2008, 10:57:31 PM »
IGNORANCE IS BLISS!!!

if you don't want to know, ok!  but do not insult people who really know!!!

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

new energy is linked with everything from the universe;
accept its laws, search for the real universal truth, and it will come.
but first we have to accept the things that happened as they did,
and not try to block them out by dogmatic blindness...

utilitarian

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Re: 911 , a short clip
« Reply #49 on: September 02, 2008, 01:41:04 AM »
IGNORANCE IS BLISS!!!

if you don't want to know, ok!  but do not insult people who really know!!!

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

new energy is linked with everything from the universe;
accept its laws, search for the real universal truth, and it will come.
but first we have to accept the things that happened as they did,
and not try to block them out by dogmatic blindness...

Sorry, but the "911 truth" movement will die with the truthers, and that will be the end of that.

fuzzytomcat

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« Reply #50 on: September 02, 2008, 02:11:14 AM »
I am so surprised that there are so many references to videos from the conspiracy "experts" on 911. As most people interested I have examined many of these original DVD videos from a purchase or acquired them from a P2P torrent download. I only figured it out by accident using a high quality DVD player at a random "pause" and what was on the video frame it stopped on, a video frame called a subliminal message embedded in the video.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subliminal_message

For those who don't know what this is it's a frame with a picture or text added into the video. This was common practice in movies advertising products by adding a sensation or mental awareness functioning below the threshold of consciousness. All North American videos use a format of 29.97 frames per second or lets say 30, a five minute video clip has approx. 9000 frames of video, without any degradation to the video 1 frame per second can be altered thats 300 frames in 5 minutes.

After several years of examining many of these DVD videos available, on "each" and "every" frame from "beginning" to "end" you would be amazed on what is there. Of course there never in a area where one would use a frame by frame search like a explosion or crash.

I myself have at times used this technique on my videos with very surprising results.

I will not say what the subliminal messages are or what DVD video there on, only that they are there, and now they have been somewhat exposed and the evidence is everywhere.

It should make a great book don't you think ?

Fuzzy

khabe

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« Reply #51 on: September 02, 2008, 03:10:32 PM »
Just sick surmise :-X
Often when person normally educated, when its not because uneducatedness - or when its not done because the money(!) - its more like medical subject, like mental illness:
disturbances of consciousness, clouding of consciousness, delirium, twilight state, disturbances of attention, disorientation, attention-deficit disorder, trance, labile affect, inappropriate affect,
depression, dysphoric mood, mood swings, labile mood, irritable mood, anxiety, fear, free-floating anxiety, panic, catatonic excitement, negativism, stereotypy, psychomotor agitation,
disorders of perception, illusion, hallucination (auditory h, visual h, olfactory h, hypnagogic h, hypnopompic h.), agnosia, derealization, delusional perception, delusional mood, depersonalization,
thought disorders, disorders of thinking, flight of ideas, thougth blocking, loosening of associations, circumstantiality, perseveration, disturbances in content of thought, agoraphobia,
obsession, paranoid, persecutory ...
Often just paranoia syndromes  :o
Visit your Doctor,
Ask pills!
No more drugs!!! No alcohol!!!
Sometimes hand job helps as well - will smooth over (not overdo !!!)

cheers,
khabe

sierraloewe

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« Reply #52 on: September 02, 2008, 03:35:17 PM »
I haven't seen anyone talking about how much actual thermite you'd need to bring down the building.  I mean they are talking about molten metal pouring out of the windows and pooling under the wreckage and staying molten for over three weeks.  How much incendiary do you need to do this?  Is it logistically possible to plant enough, in the right spots, for this effect?  I don't think we're talking about pounds here, but hundreds of pounds.  The thermite reactions I've seen only sputter about- not explode with a force strong enough to pulverize concrete or break bolts and welds.

Insight anyone?

PYRODIN123321

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« Reply #53 on: September 02, 2008, 05:10:07 PM »
I agree w/EDEN
OK,  CAT,

 MAYBE IT WAS JUST THE FIRE FROM THE PLANES AND SOME WEIRD PHENOMINA CAUSED THE BUILDING TO TAKE THE PATH OF MOST RESISTANCE DOWN TO THE GROUND (YEAHRIGHT) IM NOT SAYIN WHO DID IT JUST THAT IT DOESNT LOOK RIGHT!!

MAYBE OU IS INVOLVED(FREE BUILDING DESTROYING ENERGY), SO NOW WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT HERE :D


IF YOU ONLY TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT DIRECTLY APPLY TO OU YOU WON'T FIND IT, THATS PRETTY CLOSE MINDED , I THINK THAT YOU WILL PROBLY CHANGE YOUR MIND IN THE FUTURE,

YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE NOT LEARNED YET

ALSO,

HAS ANY ONE HEARD OF A "PHASE CONJUGATE MIRROR"
I BELIEVE IT CAN CREATE HOLOGRAMS  AND OTHER COOL EFFECTS

SO IT COULD HAVE BEEN A MISSLE OR ANYTHING REALLY WITH A HOLOGRAM AROUND IT

 I KNOW ITS OUT THERE BUT ITS NOT IMPOSSIBLE IF THE TECH EXISTS SOMEBODY WILL USE IT FOR THEIR OWN ENDS

LOOK AT THIS

TIME-REVERSED ACOUSTICS (FROM ANOTHER SITE)
Don Albert of the U.S. Army's Cold Regions Research and Engineering Laboratory will discuss a system that uses "time-reversal" acoustics to pinpoint the exact locations of gunfire and explosions in an urban environment. A network of simple audio sensors records sounds in an urban area; a computer then generates backwards versions of the sound waves and broadcasts the reversed versions in a virtual urban environment. The waves eventually return and focus at the original source point, enabling researchers to pinpoint the location of a sound, such as an explosion or gunshot.


(FROM ANOTHER SITE)
Laboratoire Ondes et Acoustique, ESPCI, France, will discuss an idea for transforming all objects in a room into touch-sensitive, remote control devices, even if they don't run on electricity. The idea is the following: touch any object in a room, and an acoustic detector records the sound or vibration from a touch. Then, employing a scheme known as "time-reversed" acoustics, the detector sends a reversed version of the soundwave to the object. After sending soundwaves back and forth several times between source and detector, the system is able to pinpoint exactly where the object lies in the room. One can therefore create "virtual switches" that perform certain functions in response to touch. (Paper 5aEA9)


I THINK YOU CAN DO THIS WITH ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES TOO (NOT SURE, CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG!!)

IF THIS TECH IS REAL THEN I COULD SEE 911 HAPPENING WITHOUT PLANES OR EXPLOSIVES OR THERMITE

BEARDENS STUFF FITS IN PRETTY WELL
YOU COULD MELT THE SUPPORTS WITH JUST ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES

BUT BEFORE YOU GUYS SHOOT ME DOWN
-WHAT DO I KNOW-
 LOOK IT UP YOURSELF THE PATENTS ARE FLOATING AROUND OUT THERE
ITS JUST MY VIEW THAT ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE AND WE SHOULD FIGURE OUT WHATS PLAUSABLE
(PS -I DONT CARE ABOUT SPEELLING)

JSHYDROXY

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« Reply #54 on: September 02, 2008, 07:57:48 PM »
IM JUST CURIOUS AS TO HOW MANY WELL RESPECTED CIVIL ENGINEERS ,INCLUDING THE ARCHITECT THAT DESIGNED THE TOWERS, HAVE TO PUT THEIR CAREERS ON THE LINE TO MAKE THE POINT THAT JET A (FUEL THAT TURNS BIG TURBINE ENGINES) WILL NOT BURN AND MELT STEEL COLUMNS AND GIRDERS LIKE THOSE IN THE TOWERS. THERMITE IS NOT AN EXPLOSIVE . IT IS USED TO CUT  THE STRUCTURE AND SHEAR THICK STEEL OR CAST PLATE , I BEAMS ,ANGLE AND C CHANEL OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF CONFIGURATION OF STEEL . IT DOESNT TAKE 100S OF POUNDS TO ACCOMPLISH SOME RATHER DEVASTATING EFFECTS . YOU SIMPLY CUT STRUCTURAL BEAMS AND GIRDERS IN KEY SPOTS AND LET GRAVITY TAKE AFFECT
THIS IS HOW THEY BRING DOWN "IN A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION " VERY TALL BUILDINGS. GOOGLE "CONTROLLED DEMOLITION" AND YOU WILL PROBABLY FIND A SITE THAT THE VERY PEOPLE WHO DID THIS ARE LISTED.
GW BUSH BROTHER WAS A PRIMARY IN A CO. THAT HAD THE CONTRACT TO PROVIDE SECURITY FOR THE ENTIRE COMPLEX.
THE NEW LESSEE WAS ALSO PRIVY TO THE FACT THAT AN ESTIMATE OF OVER 1 BILLION IN ASBESTOS REMEDIATION WAS INEVITABLE WITHIN A YEAR TO COMPLY WITH GOV.HEALTH STANDARDS. HE ACTUALLY MADE MONEY BY DESTROYING THE TOWERS AS HE HAD INSURANCE THAT COVERED THEM FOR OVER TWO BILLION. MANY OTHER ACCEPTED FACTS ON THE WEB. JUST STUDY THEM ALL AND THEN DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSION . UNTIL THEN DONT BE DUPED BY EITHER SIDE.

SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS

madsen

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« Reply #55 on: September 02, 2008, 08:15:06 PM »
Is it all caps day or something?

Anyway, how is the temperature at which the steel melts relevant?  You can weaken it substantially at lower temperatures.

Do you therefore believe the most complex and spectacular terrorist act in history was just an insurance scam?  Depending on what theory you subscribe to, I'm not confident the guy would actually end up making money.  If the scheme involved (nearly) real-time CGI and the cooperation of television stations, or maybe even star wars beams as Dr Judy Wood believes, I'm not sure $2 billion would go very far.


fuzzytomcat

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« Reply #56 on: September 02, 2008, 10:16:24 PM »
IM JUST CURIOUS AS TO HOW MANY WELL RESPECTED CIVIL ENGINEERS ,INCLUDING THE ARCHITECT THAT DESIGNED THE TOWERS, HAVE TO PUT THEIR CAREERS ON THE LINE TO MAKE THE POINT THAT JET A (FUEL THAT TURNS BIG TURBINE ENGINES) WILL NOT BURN AND MELT STEEL COLUMNS AND GIRDERS LIKE THOSE IN THE TOWERS.

JSHDROXY,

Leaving your "CAP LOCK" on like you have done on all of your post's at this FORUM is considered to be "YELLING" at everyone ........ your call dude.So Jet A, Jet A-1 and Jet B fuel (fuel that turns big turbine engines) ........ you mean "Kerosene" the stuff used in lamps back in the 1800's ??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerosene

Oh, thanks for the cat litter joke ........... really funny ................... maybe to you

JSHYDROXY

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« Reply #57 on: September 02, 2008, 10:55:48 PM »
CAT!!  I DONT GIVE A RATS ASS WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW ABOUT JET A OR KEROSENE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE!!!!! YOU EASILY SHOW YOUR IGNORANCE ON THIS SUBJECT . DUDE STICK TO WHAT YOU KNOW(OR IN YOUR CASE DONT KNOW)
BY THE WAY WHO DO YOU WORK FOR BIG "W" ??? SOUNDS LIKE IT!!!!
AND BY THE WAY IM NOT MAD AT ANY ONE IM JUST GOING BLIND FROM OVER EXPOSURE TO "CHEMICALS THAT ARE HARMLESS TO US" ACCORDING TO OUR WONDERFUL GOV.
ANY WAY IM OUTA HERE THIS IS TO RIDICULOUS TO CONTINUE WITH. DOES ANY ONE "REALLY" CARE . I MEAN IF THEY DID THEY WOULD JUST GO ASK ANY STORM VET OR NAM VET. I WONDER HOW THEY WOULD REACT TO SO MUCH LOVE FOR A COUNTRY THAT SO OPENLY SACRIFICES ITS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO HARM NO FOUL DUDE JUST DIFFER ON MY OPINIONS.LATER!!!

khabe

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Re: 911 , a short clip
« Reply #58 on: September 03, 2008, 10:31:39 AM »
hi surmisers,
do you have any idea about capacity of fuel tanks of Boeing?
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=4

HEYDUDE

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« Reply #59 on: September 03, 2008, 02:56:37 PM »
Please, don't cite everything written in PM as truth or we'd all be riding around in 200 MPG cars or flying in hovercraft by now.

That rag has gone seriously downhill in the last 30 or so years. Also a "Hearst" publication, the folks who invented "yellow journalism"

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism#Spanish-American_War