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xee

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #150 on: July 10, 2008, 10:37:04 AM »
@ Jimboot
Thanks for posting your results. Most experienced researchers would say what you claim is impossible and you must be making a mistake. Maybe you are, but I think you seem to be doing the right things and asking the right questions. I have over 30 years doing electronic research and development and it is from the unexplainable things that you learn the most. I am looking forward to your videos. Maybe with more information the explanation will be more obvious.

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #151 on: July 10, 2008, 12:47:59 PM »
@ Jimboot
Thanks for posting your results. Most experienced researchers would say what you claim is impossible and you must be making a mistake. Maybe you are, but I think you seem to be doing the right things and asking the right questions. I have over 30 years doing electronic research and development and it is from the unexplainable things that you learn the most. I am looking forward to your videos. Maybe with more information the explanation will be more obvious.


Hey Xee,
The experienenced researchers are probably still right! I guess I am being a little selfish here and learning as I plunder along. Looks like I have to find a meter with a coil now. I just through an old one away two weeks ago! DOH! Had no idea the digital ones could be subject to gazing at their own navels.:-) So it's good to find out about this stuff.

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #152 on: July 10, 2008, 12:53:27 PM »
Here you can see another free energy technique. They guy is getting 3,75 volts from the air
Check it out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y_EotqAn1M

First of all I thought you were 'takin the piss' as we say down here but I have to build one of those now! That looks fascinating. I guess I had a follow up question for the post earlier that thought I was only measuring radio waves... my question is if it meters isn't that usable energy? Reminds me of the minor shocks when you install the TV aerial. Do they get more volts just before a thunderstorm I wonder.

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #153 on: July 10, 2008, 12:56:08 PM »
That particular insulator (the yellow one) is awful in terms of un-desired effects. It retains a lot of moisture and dirt on its surface. I don?t think it conducts through it but it offers a good electrical path around; anyway, never took the time to see what?s exactly about as I don?t think it?s really worthy.

If you?re a smoker (yeah, I know it?s unhealthy but look as some minor advantages  ;D), take off the outer foil on the pack and use it as a real insulator; it still retains a lot of static electricity (some patience and no more mechanical stress pls after placing it) but otherwise it is an excellent insulator at these voltages. It shall quickly solve several main questions. Please post back.

Best regards,
Tinu

Hey Tinu - do you actually mean foil on the inside of the pack? I'm in AU just want to make sure we are talking about the same thing here.

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #154 on: July 10, 2008, 02:17:57 PM »
One wrote:

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For those that think it is only a chemical reaction:

Water has an atomic structure set in such a way that it makes it diamagnetic. This is a fact. When you add a diamagnetic substance between two magnetised objects such as two metal plates, there is not a chemical reaction. You are simply using water as an "insulator" or "dielectric" like a capacitor, and the electromagnetic interactions between the two metal plates have to pass through the water. The water helps slow the electromagnetic interaction and it actually builds up a collection of electromagnetic particles near the two plates. Much like a capacitor, but with "electricity" running both directions in the capacitor.

I think the hardest thing for people to understand is the FACT that every single object on Earth is electromagnetic.

Ok so you obtain a reading with dry paper and plastic as a dielectric, then you obtain a larger reading with paper soaked in water as a dielectric. From what I deduce from this so far is that you need a magnet and a metal plate in close proximity with each other held apart by a dielectric of sorts in an arrangement as depicted above. As far as I'm concerned I personally would be prepared to look further into this concept and it's plausability if this system would work with an airgap as a dielectric, according to your claims so far there is no reason why this shouldn't work. A water dielectric will result in some sort of chemical reaction between 2 different metals and a resulting EMF, so in that system your newly discovered phenomenon has been contaminated with a well known phenomenon. You should also try eliminate out thermoelectric effects (Seebeck and so on) by comparing readings at different temperatures. At this stage it seems as though the system's ability to deliver power is limited by the dielectric itself (nothing capacitive about it, ok mybe a pF or 2). You need to further your experimenting under varied conditions targeting the concept you are claiming, at this stage there is far too much ambiguity for a thumbs up.

I really do appreciate people who come forward with observations they have made, let's be honest it is progressive and goal orientated. There will be cases where these observations will turn out to be nothing new but then again maybe something big may crop up. The problem is - some readers have no sense of tact when it comes to commenting on people's observations while people that present their observations claiming this and that do not take criticism very kindly and the whole topic becomes a waste of precious reading time, which I've seen here time and again. Moderation on this forum is non-existant. Lets keep the observations coming, the crit posative and the acceptance of success/failure honerable.

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #155 on: July 10, 2008, 02:59:38 PM »
Here you can see another free energy technique. They guy is getting 3,75 volts from the air
Check it out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y_EotqAn1M

I dont see the 3,75 volts, I see him just barely reaching 300 milliVolts...
And I see him using a fairly long antenna wire...
Surely everybody knows we can use a long wire antenna or metal plate
antennas to "collect" charge? The higher you hang them, the better...
But I never see the guy mention amperage even once, so for all his talk
about collecting free volts, it could be he gets a voltage on his capacitor
but that he's still getting near zero actual power...
Not very impressive at all, imho.

oh and @Magnethos, I happened to come across you peltier element idea
on youtube as well, and I just have to ask: You do understand why that won't work,
don't you? If not I will explain, but I can't imagine you haven't realised it yet...

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Hey Tinu - do you actually mean foil on the inside of the pack? I'm in AU just want to make sure we are talking about the same thing here.

I don't think he's talking about the silver paper inside the pack, I think he means the transparent plastic wrapper the packs come in (in most countries).
I'm not sure but I think it's cellophane or something very close to it. It has the typical 'static' cling of cellophane... In general most things that tend to
build up static are bad conductors and many of them are good isolators. Except cats. ;)

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #156 on: July 10, 2008, 03:18:32 PM »
@Koen1
Thanks for the info, I think that the energy is 3.75 Volts because the guy wrote that in the comments of the video. I can?t see clearly the multimeter in the video.

About the idea of the peltier module, I think that is a waste of time. I made that video because I thought that it would be usefull for somebody with a better electronics knowledge. But I have seen that my invention is a waste of time... This is cience... some ideas will be awesome, and other will be a waste of time. The key is try and test and see what happens.

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #157 on: July 10, 2008, 03:34:59 PM »
Thanks Froot,
I guess that is my approach as well.

Some of the greatest discoveries have come from the most unlikely of places. I/m prepared to accept any other theory that makes sense which is why I have been testing the Gal bat levels as well as try various bits of plastic to make sure the effect of getting voltage through insulation material is not isolated to a single item.

I have used brand new clean clips as well as thin pieces of plastic wrapper. I'd love to see if anyone can replicate the effect, I am now thinking of simplifying the array and measuring again.

I think my fields need 'tuning'. If a magnetic field is somehow causing a voltage and not the chemical reaction, I'd think it would work best with the fields aligned in some sort of optimal pattern. With so many washers and bits of paper (which seem to effect overall polarity depending on where they are connected) involved it is difficult to visualize what is going on.

Which brings me to my next question. Is there any PC/Mac peripheral which will act as a multimeter and record readings etc? Or PC Oscilloscope or something?

THanks

tinu

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #158 on: July 10, 2008, 03:37:55 PM »
Hey Tinu - do you actually mean foil on the inside of the pack? I'm in AU just want to make sure we are talking about the same thing here.
No, not the inside one (which is Al on paper) but the outside one.

Koen1

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #159 on: July 10, 2008, 03:44:22 PM »
Quote from: Magnethos
@Koen1
Thanks for the info, I think that the energy is 3.75 Volts because the guy wrote that in the comments of the video. I can?t see clearly the multimeter in the video.

About the idea of the peltier module, I think that is a waste of time. I made that video because I thought that it would be usefull for somebody with a better electronics knowledge. But I have seen that my invention is a waste of time... This is cience... some ideas will be awesome, and other will be a waste of time. The key is try and test and see what happens.
That's right. And it is not a bad thing to come up with different ideas for
OU devices and think about them, not at all.
I think everyone who's into alternative energy solutions has thought about
using a setup that uses and recycles thermal differences. And everyone
comes to the same conclusion: energy is lost in the process.
I hadn't realised you had already come to the same conclusion.

BOT; it should be easy to determine if the dielectric you're planning to
use is a good isolator, one should merely need to put it between two of those
washers and connect a simple 9V battery (or another type) to the washers
and to your multimeter. If it is a proper isolator your meter should read zero millivolts
give or take ten from ambient charges. If it is not a true isolator but rather just
a bad conductor, you should be able to read some higher value.
If you still don't believe wet paper can act as a weak electrolyte then you might want
to try that too to see the difference. But I would advise to read up on the history of
galvanic cells (as you'd see that wet paper has been used ever since galvanic batteries
were invented).

In any case, the voltages you're getting do sound a bit high for a mere galvanic process
so that does suggest tere is something else going on...
But it could of course be something along the lines of the carbon rod "Protelf" generator
thread, which in turn also seems to be related to Luc's thread on the weird effect of
sparks being able to jump a much larger air gap than they should be able to given their
voltage, as long as the feed pulse is fed through the right pole of a conductive magnet (a neo).
All these things appear to be related somehow, as they all use a strong conductive neo
magnet, and the energy pulse is in alignment with the magnetic field orientation.
In this battery there is zero pulsing going on, yet it seems somehow a slight charge flow is
induced purely by the difference in magnetic permeability inside a strong B-field.
In the carbon rod setup a pulse of DC is fed through a carbon rod inside and parallel to a
magnetic field, and in certain setups this appears to produce a stronger pulse on the output
side than was fed to the input side, which was claimed to be able to produce 5 times the input...
And in the spark gap thing a DC pulse is produced by momentarily connecting the DC feed wire
(cathode) to the anode wire which has a neodymium magnet attached in such a way that the DC
flows into the south pole of the magnet, and that wire leads to a car spark plug which now
all of a sudden produces sparks that are like twice the size of the original ones.
In every setup we have alignment of DC with the magnetic field lines.

Now I'm not opposed to serious discussion of this apparent effect as long as we can keep Leedskalnin
out of it please. ;)

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #160 on: July 10, 2008, 03:50:58 PM »
Which brings me to my next question. Is there any PC/Mac peripheral which will act as a multimeter and record readings etc? Or PC Oscilloscope or something?

Sounds like you're looking for a Datalogger aka Datarecorder.
I have a nice one, not expensive either, hooks up to your usb port, comes with software such as
digital oscilloscope etc, and has 4 channels to record. It can only record voltages though,
but with the voltage over time reading you can still get quite good info.
There are better ones around that are a bit more expensive but can give more detailed readings.
The one I have is made by Velleman instruments and it called the PCS10 4-channel datalogger.
Cost me something like 50 Euros or less.

Jimboot

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #161 on: July 11, 2008, 01:31:14 AM »
I dont see the 3,75 volts, I see him just barely reaching 300 milliVolts...
And I see him using a fairly long antenna wire...
Surely everybody knows we can use a long wire antenna or metal plate
antennas to "collect" charge? The higher you hang them, the better...
But I never see the guy mention amperage even once, so for all his talk
about collecting free volts, it could be he gets a voltage on his capacitor
but that he's still getting near zero actual power...
Not very impressive at all, imho.

This guy reckons he charges a mobile phone with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRPE6OG7Mp0


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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #162 on: July 12, 2008, 03:08:38 AM »
1st vid showing volts vs amps

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x63ay9

BTW I tried the suggestion of using an air gap and got up 0.5 volts. I'm wondering whether that could simply be an antenna effect close to the array. I have to be no more that 10mm away from the top mag to get a reading. MY highest reading was achieved with about 3mm clearance and I got higher readings if the metal of the clip was wet.

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #163 on: July 12, 2008, 03:59:22 AM »
 Jimboot
I was disappointed with your video. Can you show more of how your battery is constructed? To measure volts just put one lead on the positive terminal and the other on the negative terminal, To measure amps, just change the meter to amps (leads in same place). That will give you open circuit voltage and short circuit current which is the maximum voltage and maximum current. With a load resistance, each will be less by an amount depending on the load. Note, some meters require moving the leads to different plugs for amps and volts, so you may need to do that. By terminal, I mean where your meter leads connect to thee battery (which in one case is through the plastic on the lead probe).

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #164 on: July 12, 2008, 10:26:09 AM »
Sorry Xee!

I've recorded about 30mins worth so far. One of my cams was on the fritz so I have been delayed in getting the other vids up.

THere is not much to see with the setup really Just the diagram that I posted earlier, but I will get the rest up. Also I got 0.8volt with an air gap today with an electrician watching what I was doing and he thought it was "very weird" and "did not make sense" He had a go at measuring himself and got similar results.



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