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Jimboot

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #180 on: July 14, 2008, 02:35:02 PM »
This guy reckons he charges a mobile phone with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRPE6OG7Mp0



Btw I can think of at least half a doz ways I could fake this but they seem deadly serious about charging the phone. One guy claims he had 27 volts with a 50ft antenna. I built the circuit but only got mv when hooked up to the telly aerial on the roof. Min d you I think I had the wrong diodes.

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #181 on: July 14, 2008, 04:03:43 PM »
G'Day all,
@One:  I can assure you a "dry cell" is galvanic. It is just not as wet as a "wet cell".


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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #182 on: July 14, 2008, 05:09:32 PM »
@ Jimboot
If you are interested in galvanic reactions your should learn about the electromotive series. The farther apart the two metals are in the series the higher the voltage will be between them in a battery. Here is a link to a not very good list. You can find better lists and discussions in basic college chemistry books and maybe on the web if you spend some time looking.

http://www.ipfw.edu/chem/104/kimble/Activity.htm

A battery needs a solution with free ion to work. The fewer the ions in the water the poorer the battery will work (lower current). It is hard to get pure water. Tap water has many impurities in it. Distilled water is mostly pure but there are grades of distilled water. Laboratory grade is much purer than what you get in a grocery store. But however pure the water is, it will probably not be pure once you put it into a container because most things have surface impurities even after coming out of a dishwasher.

Your last video was good at showing your setup.

allcanadian

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #183 on: July 14, 2008, 08:51:43 PM »
@ ian middleton
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@One:  I can assure you a "dry cell" is galvanic. It is just not as wet as a "wet cell".
LOL, thats a good one ----- this reminds me of the person who said I will listen with an open mind but won't believe a word I hear. ;D
Galvanic action is a word to describe a process which is electrostatic in nature as all processes are electrostatic in nature. If you believe matter is composed of opposite charges as physics states-- Proton/Electron then all matter must be electrostatic in nature thus all reactions must be as well because nature cannot utilize something that was never present in the first place.

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The entire problem with ALL theories of today, is the theory about Magnetic Force! All theories of today are WRONG! They don't even understand what it is.  I DO, it is PARTICLES.
Metal does not make magnetic force, it only holds it and circulates it!  You have to find out what "it" is.  Ed Leedskalnin claims it is might actually be electrons running against another particle (protons?), but also says even the electron theory is incorrect and it is something else!
Electricity is magnetism running in streams (dc). Metal magnets are AC.  Very hard to explain in current day theory.
;)
Thankfully somebody here can see past the illusion of effects and examine cause, you are light years ahead of most of the people here.



ian middleton

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #184 on: July 14, 2008, 10:23:57 PM »
G'day all,

@allcanadian:  I'm not sure what you're point is here. What is incorrect about a dry cell being galvanic ?

Koen1

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #185 on: July 15, 2008, 01:47:44 PM »
Well Ian, I think there is a little confusion going on here.
A "dry cell" of the type you speak of is indeed a galvanic cell with
just he minimum amount of moisture to allow galvanic reactions.
It is indeed a "less wet" version of a zinc bucket filled with
acid and a carbon rod partially submerged in the acid,
but with a "dry cell" they use a substance that contains the
liquid and there is no actual body of liquid sloshing around in it.
It's just the name they decided to use for a less wet cell.

The "dry pile" however is slightly different in that it was not
intended as a galvanic battery at all, it is simply a stack of
plates of two different metals, sandwiched between pieces of
paper. It behaves like an electret in that it also builds up a
(static) charge which can be used and will re-build again.
Originally it was thought this was a totally different effect that was
not related to the galvanic effect, and indeed it seemed to be
more closely related to the "work function"/"emission energy threshold"
and the relative Fermi levels of the different metals, as well as
the pressure applied to the stack (which in turn led to it being
categorised as a "contact potential" effect).
But soon after that the "dry galvanic cell" became popular,
and it didn't take long for people to suggest the seemingly dry paper
should in fact contain a certain level of moisture due to the air humidity,
and will act in a similar way as the "dry" electrolyte paste used in
"dry galvanic cells".
And indeed some dry piles were dissected and found to contain minute
amounts of moisture in the paper, which seemed to confirm the galvanic
interpretation of what was before categorised as a peculiar electrostatic
effect of the application of pressure on metals with different Fermi levels.
Mind you, that effect is also real and proven, but after more critical
analysis of the "dry pile" it was agreed this is most likely an effect that
does play a role in the "dry pile", but it is not the predominant process
that gives rise to the electret-like behaviour.
Or at least, that's what I know of the development of "dry cells" and
their relation to the "dry pile".

So Ian, you're entirely correct and I'm not sure why allcanadian found it so funny. ;)

Jimboot

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #186 on: July 15, 2008, 02:00:40 PM »
@ Jimboot
If you are interested in galvanic reactions your should learn about the electromotive series. The farther apart the two metals are in the series the higher the voltage will be between them in a battery. Here is a link to a not very good list. You can find better lists and discussions in basic college chemistry books and maybe on the web if you spend some time looking.

http://www.ipfw.edu/chem/104/kimble/Activity.htm

A battery needs a solution with free ion to work. The fewer the ions in the water the poorer the battery will work (lower current). It is hard to get pure water. Tap water has many impurities in it. Distilled water is mostly pure but there are grades of distilled water. Laboratory grade is much purer than what you get in a grocery store. But however pure the water is, it will probably not be pure once you put it into a container because most things have surface impurities even after coming out of a dishwasher.

Your last video was good at showing your setup.

Thanks for the link Xee. Your explanation about the metals being farther apart and voltage levels being higher means I can't let go of this experiment yet! I'll do some study.

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #187 on: July 15, 2008, 05:28:40 PM »
@ Jimboot
Another term used for the series is Galvanic series. Here are some links I found for that term.

http://www.corrosionsource.com/handbook/galv_series.htm
http://www.brushwellman.com/alloy/tech_lit/AT0027_0800.pdf

These have the metal voltages listed so you can actually calculate the voltage the battery will have (the difference between the metal voltages),

triffid

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #188 on: July 15, 2008, 08:13:06 PM »
test,I just wanted a link back to this thread.triffid

Jimboot

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #190 on: July 17, 2008, 01:31:37 PM »
I haven't tried with nickel washers yet but with new meters new leads I am getting similar readings with a single washer from the array in a solution with mag and just a washer mag and paper. Looks like a gal battery to me.

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #191 on: July 17, 2008, 06:12:58 PM »
I tried it with a cubic magnet and a keychain(in place of the keeper).I could make the minus sign go away or come back.But could not get voltage readings untill I put some water on the dielectric(cardboard).My voltmeter reads only 1/100 volts not 1/1000 volts.The highest voltage I got was .11 volts.It was easy with the water added to get .05 or .06 volts.I wish my voltmeter could read 1/1000 volts.I would have liked to know what millivolts I could get without the water.Interesting experiment however.I got .11 volts with the most water.However I almost got a reading without water.I could make the minus sign go away almost at will(and come back).Triffid

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #192 on: July 17, 2008, 06:18:17 PM »
That cubic magnet is nickle plated and the keychain is made out of low grade steel.So two different metals.But I almost got a reading without the water.Maybe someone here has a better voltmeter than me?I suspect a voltage in the millivolt range is being generated without water?Maybe use glass as a dielectric?Triffid

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #193 on: July 18, 2008, 06:01:48 PM »
I'll  give it a try on my meters tomorrow and report back.

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #194 on: July 19, 2008, 01:25:24 AM »
Twice before in other experiments I had made an unintended battery.I am talking about myself,not One here.So I read back over the thread here.Magnesium and graphite electrodes make a very high powered battery.3.5 volts or more just stuck in wet earth or dry earth like some have claimed.I think a voltmeter that reads millivolts and milliamps should be used for this experiment.Glass is a very good dielectric,So maybe someone here could use a glass slide from a kids microsope kit?Triffid