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Author Topic: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery  (Read 109570 times)

xee

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #165 on: July 12, 2008, 11:17:31 AM »
@ Jimboot
There is no hurry. Either you are making a mistake in your measurements or you have made a new scientific discovery. Without more information I do not know which. When I tried this per original instructions I did not get any current flow with dry paper and the only voltage was from the leads picking up stray electric fields. But I was using a horseshoe magnet not a neo magnet. I will try it again with a neo magnet, wet paper, and plastic spacer. But I suspect it is something you are doing that hopefully will show up in the video.

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #166 on: July 12, 2008, 11:46:38 AM »
@ Jimboot
I tried a chrome plated neo magnet, piece of wet paper towel, and a plastic bag spacer. My meter leads are nonmagnetic so they are not steel. Not sure what they are. I got about 0.3 volts with wet parper and magnet. No voltage when plastic bag spacer was inserted between wet paper and meter lead. No measureable current either way.

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #167 on: July 13, 2008, 06:17:28 AM »
Two, it's the floating voltage of the DMM. Digital multimeters tend to drift and may record a surprisingly large voltage if the two leads are not connected together by any low impedance connection (for instance touching them together). The semiconductors need a solid voltage to get a definite reading, even if that voltage is 0, so if you just have two wires dangling it may drift all over the place. You won't see this with a classic coil-based multimeter.

OK picked up an analogue meter today. Will let you know how I go. I am uploading a vid today with the digital meters measuring volts through plastic.

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #168 on: July 13, 2008, 06:59:39 AM »
video showing charge thru insulation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygWAi0r4wOQ

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #169 on: July 13, 2008, 08:09:59 AM »
@ Jimboot
Two things to consider:

1. Meters drift on low scales, so a change in reading may be due to drifting. You need to re-zero meters often when using lowest scales.

2. Digital meters have small integration capacitor across input when measuring voltage to help eliminate noise. This capacitor can remain charged for a while after voltage is removed from leads when using low scales. You may be creating a voltage by moving leads past magnets which then remains as a charge on this capacitor for a short time. Try moving steel lead probe back and forth near magnet and see if it produces a voltage on meter when using lowest scale.

Good video. What happens if you use one of your new probes instead of your old dirty one?


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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #170 on: July 13, 2008, 05:24:12 PM »
@ Jimboot
The time constant on the integration capacitor is too short to effect the reading you see on meter so my comment 2 in previous post is incorrect, please disregard. I'm just trying to think of any wild idea that may explain your results. That one was too wild. Moving wires near magnet can cause voltage, but you probably already knew that.

My best guess is the test lead you are using has a poor insulator on it. Trying a different lead may confirm this.

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #171 on: July 13, 2008, 11:36:56 PM »
I needed 2 NdFeB magnets for a different experiment so I ordered an extra one to try this with.
1"x1"x1/2" N50

Jimboot

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #172 on: July 14, 2008, 01:53:31 AM »
@ Jimboot
The time constant on the integration capacitor is too short to effect the reading you see on meter so my comment 2 in previous post is incorrect, please disregard. I'm just trying to think of any wild idea that may explain your results. That one was too wild. Moving wires near magnet can cause voltage, but you probably already knew that.

My best guess is the test lead you are using has a poor insulator on it. Trying a different lead may confirm this.

Ok I'll try with new leads tonight.

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #173 on: July 14, 2008, 01:55:38 AM »
Jimboot, excelent work. I am glad people like you are willing to do experiments, instead of let theory stop them.

Just to clarify my ways of thinking:

I know a lot about current day theory about electrons, and electricity. Ive taken electronics's classes, and studied a lot of different technologies. I myself am a computer guru. From the electronics and hardware all the way to software programing. I also know a lot about mechanics, from mechanical engineering to machine shop procedures with exotic metals like titanium. What interested me the most was that titanium shavings do not give you "splinters" in your fingers when you handle it. Yet other magnetic metals WILL give you "splinters" in your fingers, and they HURT! What I was told was that because titanium is non-magnetic, you wont get splinters in your skin! I thought it was very odd that being non-magnetic would have any effect on my skin, but it does. This fact alone made me really wonder about magnetism, and the human body.

So I started reading about quantum physics, and all of physics in general. From Newton, to Maxwell, to Alessandro Volta, to Einstein, to Nikola Tesla... I read it all.

Someone earlier was saying there is no monopole magnets. Well current theories are suggesting there is, but we supposedly haven't found them. Until I started reading the theories from Ed Leedskalnin. Most people don't know, or ignore Ed Leedkskalnin, even though he built a huge castle called "Coral Castle" all by himself, and people are wondering how he did it. But I gave HIM the benefit of the doubt and I started to use his theories to understand things..

When I talk on overunity.com I have, in a figure of speech, "multiple personalities" or "multiple mindsets".  I have the ability to switch from 0ne mindset to the other, or 0ne set of theories to another set.

I could be a "normal" electrical engineer, and tell you all the theories that you would hear from any "normal" electrical engineer. Or I could switch my mindset over and start thinking in other theories that an electrical engineer would never even consider simply because it goes against what they learned. This magnet battery that I have shown you, I like to think about it in "other" theories, specifically the theories of Ed Leedskalnin.  Actually, ever since I switched over to theories that I have obtained and or created by switching my mindset, I have made some very shocking discoveries about Ancient Egypt, and the human body, and it is carrying over to electronics.

I know most of you are stuck in 0ne theory, and all I have to say is that if you want "alternate energy sources" then you need to start thinking about, or trying to find, "alternate theories".

For instance, someone earlier on this thread, I think that user name is "sandor", claimed that there is no such thing as a "monopole magnet". Well, in theory, I have found "monopole magnets". The only way I could describe them is STATIC ELECTRICITY.

It is 100% possible to make objects contain either a positive charge or a negative charge. In MY "alternate theory" you can think of it as "monopole magnetic". An entire object that has a "negative charge" will be attracted to another object that is entirely "positively charged". Likes repel, opposite attract, just like magnetism. So in an odd way of thinking, ALL OBJECTS ARE MONOPOLE MAGNETIC BECAUSE ALL OBJECTS ARE SUBJECT TO STATIC ELECTRIC CHARGES, AND ACT ACCORDING TO NORMAL LAWS OF MAGNETISM.

Another user asked about "dry cells". Dry cells I believe are not galvanic, even though current day "THEORY" thinks it is. And current day experiments make the appearance of it being that way. But there are other theories that can explain what is happening, and even explain the experiments. What I believe is happening, is "electrostatics" with a twist.  When you have two dissimilar metals, 0ne with more electrons, and the other with less electrons, that means you have 0ne negative charged metal, and 0ne positive charged metal.  These two different statically charged metals are attracted to each other. But because of the very small amount of electron difference, the pull or attraction between them will not be very great. But the point to remember is that when 0ne metal is lacking electrons, and the other is over flowing with extra electrons, the electrons will want to pass from 0ne metal to the other. And when you put a piece of paper between the metals, or any "dielectric", then the electrons will have trouble traveling through the paper, and the electrons will build up before they jump across the paper to the other metal.

This same thing happens in today's capacitors in electric circuits.  With a normal capacitor, the negative wire (hot) is connected to 0ne plate, and the positive wire (ground) is connect to the other plate inside of the capacitor. In the middle of the plates is the "dielectric".  What happens is that a negative charged plate is trying to pass electrons to a positively charged plate, and the dielectric is slowing the process down which actually builds up and accumulates electrons (a charge), and then slowly released the electrons.

Anyway, I know it is very frustrating for you people who are stuck on 0ne theory to EVER accept an alternate theory, but sometimes you have to do it when ever you want to discover something new.

I hope this information helps.







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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #174 on: July 14, 2008, 10:56:22 AM »
Thanks 0ne. I don't pretend to understand but I do know there are still quite a few things science can't explain so I do enjoy exploring and reporting with complete naiive candor :-)

Also I am a big Tesla fan and enough of his work was surpressed to make me suspicious when anyone says "it's impossible" or "stick to your knitting". I have a very humble attitude towards the universe. I guess I like Boyd Bushman's attitude when he was bending a couple of Newtonian theories "mother nature doesn't speak English but she is telling us things all the time. We just need to be listening" .


I have posted another vid that I made a couple of nights ago with a closer view of the setup for Xee et al.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3mX8S767zT4

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #175 on: July 14, 2008, 12:37:53 PM »
OK I'm starting to be convinced of the Galvanic effect only unless 0ne can point out something.

I bought new leads and I can get charge slightly through some bits of light plastic wrapper but it is inconsistent so I'm thinking minute perforations in the plastic or surface moisture.

It seems the voltages I was getting via the air gap (and I don't understand this) were visible when I was holding the positive lead (new) in one hand and I was touching the plastic platform (that the set up is sitting on) with the other hand. This occurred in both the digital and analogue meter. At no time though was I touching the probe itself. That one does my head in .

There is definitely a galvanic effect happening as there is discolouration of the washers, dark stains on the paper contact points and cracked, peeling neo coating (nickel or chrome) at the contact points.

The paper placement however does change the polarity of readings depending on where it is placed.

There is one last experiment I would like to try. Distilled water with non plated steel washers. Or is there a better material that is magnetic but unlikely to contribute to a galvanic reaction?

Just a question. Would a rusty old steel gate hinge and an alnico horseshoe cause a galvanic effect? I get voltage from that as well.


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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #176 on: July 14, 2008, 01:32:31 PM »
I bought new leads and I can get charge slightly through some bits of light plastic wrapper but it is inconsistent so I'm thinking minute perforations in the plastic or surface moisture.

Listen closely.

The reason plastics suck for magnet batteries, is because PLASTIC ABSORBS STATIC CHARGES. It all about static electricity. When you have metal/plastic/metal the electrons from both metal pieces are being absorbed into the plastic, then the plastic actually starts to repel the metals. This is killing the total effect, but not 100% depending on the exact properties of the plastic, and how well they react to static electricity. Just read about how plastic reacts to static electricity.

You want a substance that will still allow the electrons to pass from metal to metal. You don't want a substance that takes electrons from both metals and holds them.

Look at this thread I created at abovetopsecret.com
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread353950/pg1

Get a PLASTIC comb and comb your hair many times as fast as you can. The PLASTIC will absorb electrons and will be statically charged!!  Now... put that comb near a small stream of WATER. THE WATER WILL BEND TOWARDS THE PLASTIC.

The reaction above is really important to understand. It actually amplifies the reaction of the magnet battery!

Yes of course the pH level in water (acidity) will create a VERY WEAK CHEMICAL REACTION.  This is why on my website I strickly say to use "drinking water".  The chemical reaction is NOT enough to make this battery as powerful as it is.

The entire problem with ALL theories of today, is the theory about Magnetic Force! All theories of today are WRONG! They don't even understand what it is.  I DO, it is PARTICLES.

Metal does not make magnetic force, it only holds it and circulates it!  You have to find out what "it" is.  Ed Leedskalnin claims it is might actually be electrons running against another particle (protons?), but also says even the electron theory is incorrect and it is something else!

Electricity is magnetism running in streams (dc). Metal magnets are AC.  Very hard to explain in current day theory.

Don't try to correct me, just read and think about it.

Koen1

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #177 on: July 14, 2008, 01:41:07 PM »
There is one last experiment I would like to try. Distilled water with non plated steel washers. Or is there a better material that is magnetic but unlikely to contribute to a galvanic reaction?
Well you could of course try nickel eh, that at least should not give any galvanic reactions with the nickel coated neos... ?

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Just a question. Would a rusty old steel gate hinge and an alnico horseshoe cause a galvanic effect? I get voltage from that as well.
Well it can. Depends on the exact compositions of the materials I think. After all, at least iron and cobalt and I think nickel too have several
possible "oxidation states" so they can have slightly different ionisation potentials depending on what isotope you've got.
This gives a certain range of ionisation/emission potentials for both the iron hinge and the alnico magnet.
In theory there is more than enough room in this range to give rise to a potential difference and work function to generate a galvanic-type
electron exchange.
But without knowledge of the exact composition we can't give much more detail there.
Oh, and all that is my opinion of course so if you want you're more than welcome to disagree. ;)

Jimboot

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #178 on: July 14, 2008, 02:16:32 PM »
Well you could of course try nickel eh, that at least should not give any galvanic reactions with the nickel coated neos... ?

DUH! Now I feel dumb! Although what about steel to nickel? If the plating lifts on the washers?
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Well it can. Depends on the exact compositions of the materials I think. After all, at least iron and cobalt and I think nickel too have several
possible "oxidation states" so they can have slightly different ionisation potentials depending on what isotope you've got.
This gives a certain range of ionisation/emission potentials for both the iron hinge and the alnico magnet.
In theory there is more than enough room in this range to give rise to a potential difference and work function to generate a galvanic-type
electron exchange.
But without knowledge of the exact composition we can't give much more detail there.
Oh, and all that is my opinion of course so if you want you're more than welcome to disagree. ;)

I'm not quite ignorant enough on the subject to disagree, sorry :-)  Impressed the socks off me though!

What about the voltage levels? I can get 5V but 3.5V is very sustainable. Would this be a believable for a gal effect? I guess I should test one washer and one battery in water eh? If the levels are the same when in water as they are out with just a piece of wet paper between them,, that's another one for the gal argument. Certainly with my brass washer test that wasn't the case.

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Re: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery
« Reply #179 on: July 14, 2008, 02:28:21 PM »
Listen closely.

You want a substance that will still allow the electrons to pass from metal to metal. You don't want a substance that takes electrons from both metals and holds them.

Look at this thread I created at abovetopsecret.com
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread353950/pg1

Get a PLASTIC comb and comb your hair many times as fast as you can. The PLASTIC will absorb electrons and will be statically charged!!  Now... put that comb near a small stream of WATER. THE WATER WILL BEND TOWARDS THE PLASTIC.

The reaction above is really important to understand. It actually amplifies the reaction of the magnet battery!

Yes of course the pH level in water (acidity) will create a VERY WEAK CHEMICAL REACTION.  This is why on my website I strickly say to use "drinking water".  The chemical reaction is NOT enough to make this battery as powerful as it is.

The entire problem with ALL theories of today, is the theory about Magnetic Force! All theories of today are WRONG! They don't even understand what it is.  I DO, it is PARTICLES.

Metal does not make magnetic force, it only holds it and circulates it!  You have to find out what "it" is.  Ed Leedskalnin claims it is might actually be electrons running against another particle (protons?), but also says even the electron theory is incorrect and it is something else!

Electricity is magnetism running in streams (dc). Metal magnets are AC.  Very hard to explain in current day theory.

Don't try to correct me, just read and think about it.

Hi 0ne stuck my ear to the monitor but couldn't hear a bloody thing! :-) Only gaggin ;-)

Love your passion.

Have you tried distilled water like others have suggested? I'm trying to eliminate a gal effect as much as possible.

So far this experiment has cost me about $100 in gear so I don't want to be asking questions later! I've made the investment so I may as well be satisfied with my results, whatever the outcome.

Here's the next experiment I'm looking at; nickel washers, nickel plated neos and distilled water with the same paper measured with both a digital and analogue meter. All new leads!