Author Topic: Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery (Read 109568 times)

kaworuweb · « **Reply #210 on:** August 13, 2008, 11:37:52 AM »

Ofc, only voltage means nothing.

But if a REAL insulator is used, then surely NO current can get through the gap, which means NO CLOSED LOOP for current ! How could it be possible?

hypersoniq · « **Reply #211 on:** August 13, 2008, 11:53:57 AM »

I tried using PET (polyethylene terephthalate) from a soda bottle as a dielectric.
First by placing a 1 & 1/2" square between a 1"sq x 1/2" N50 Nickel plated NdFeB and a steel block 1"sq x 1/8"
no meaningful mV or mA readings at all.
then by adding another NdFeB (same type) and a second piece of PET (making a "sandwich" Neo-PET-Steel-PET-Neo)... same results.

experiment was then repeated with HDPE (High Density Polyethylene Plastic) obtained from a milk jug... same results.

just for fun, tried a wet paper towel between the 2 NdFeBs and got no readings of value (nickel-nickel not galvanic). However, I have a smaller 1/8" neo from my son's Magnetix toys and when placed between a wet paper towel and a zinc bolt, millivolts were picked up (but useless amps). I don't want to compromise the coating on the N50's so I didn't use them for the dissimilar metals test.

I'm going to draw the logical conclusion here that the observed results were some sort of galvanic reaction, at least they were in what I have attempted.

sirmikey1 · « **Reply #212 on:** August 13, 2008, 12:14:51 PM »

Is Tinkers device enough to charge a similar rated capacitor?
There is hot melt glue on the paper to hold the magnets from
sliding, and so this may be causing part of the effect?
Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWF6UJ77vD0

Tinker · « **Reply #213 on:** August 13, 2008, 06:45:37 PM »

Quote from: Koen1 on August 13, 2008, 11:14:32 AM

Why do you say, in the video, that the left meter shows the voltage build
"up to one amp"? You show no amps in the video, you're measuring voltage...

Did you only measure voltage? Then you must know you haven't really
produced "power" yet, only voltage. You can have 1000 Volts, but if there's
no amps behind it, it's still very little usable energy output...

Try using a real isolator ("dielectric") instead of a piece of paper...
I got what I think are galvanic voltage readings using nickel coated
neos and aluminium and a piece of paper, but as soon as I replaced
the paper with a proper electrical isolator the voltage readings dropped to zero.
I would like to see what your setup does when you do the same thing.

Becouse the Post it Notes worked, the "Real Dielectric" did not.

In the vid I was careful to point out that I made NO CLAIMS I just shared information for anyone to accept or reject

If you have read the thread here you will see that I retracted the "amps" comment in the video it was my error and it's not like the video can be edited like we do here on the forum.

I wait with baited breath your replication so I can pick on it and tell you what you should have done.

P.S. while I'm here Dr. Stifflers dialectric setup I called a Tupperware type bucket, in retrospect it looks more like a microwaveable storage container like GLAD or Ziploc the microwaveable part may have propertys worth exploring, it's just a thought without any evidence and no warranty.

Be Well
Tinker

Tinker · « **Reply #214 on:** August 13, 2008, 08:07:52 PM »

Quote from: sirmikey1 on August 13, 2008, 12:14:51 PM

Is Tinkers device enough to charge a similar rated capacitor?
There is hot melt glue on the paper to hold the magnets from
sliding, and so this may be causing part of the effect?
Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWF6UJ77vD0

Sirmike

What you see in the vid is all there is, I haven't done any further work on it. The Neo's and post-it notes fit in the aluminum rails snugly and did not require any adhesive. Something else I learned was to make sure that the magnets were free from debris or greasy kid stuff from handling the magnets after cleaning them there was a serious increase in activity on the meters.

Be Well
Tinker

Tinker · « **Reply #215 on:** August 13, 2008, 09:13:40 PM »

This is the bucket I was talking about above.

http://67.76.235.52/images/tmbwtr.gif

Be Well
Tinker

sirmikey1 · « **Reply #216 on:** August 13, 2008, 11:14:40 PM »

Tinker,
At 2 minute and 30 seconds, you mention a piece/slice of
hot glue, and so I just wanted to bring that into the equation.
Mike

Tinker · « **Reply #217 on:** August 13, 2008, 11:43:11 PM »

Quote from: sirmikey1 on August 13, 2008, 11:14:40 PM

Tinker,
At 2 minute and 30 seconds, you mention a piece/slice of
hot glue, and so I just wanted to bring that into the equation.
Mike

That was a piece of hot glue I cut off and used for a spacer to keep the neo stacks seperated in the AL rail you can't see it in the vid it was not used as an adhesive.

Be Well
Tinker

captainpecan · « **Reply #218 on:** August 14, 2008, 08:56:29 AM »

Okay, forgive me if my questions have already been answered, as I'm new here and I tried to read the whole thread to catch up, but it was taking me forever and after page 2 all the bickering was getting a bit old so I skipped to the end.

@ One, and anyone who actually owns U shaped magnets... My magnet supply kinda sucks, but I have gotten small results from tiny neo's and from ceramic magnets.. best so far was only about 20mv, 0 amps. I do not have any U magnets as that is obviously where the best results are coming from so I do not have a way to test for myself my following questions:

1. Have you tried attaching some neo's to each pole of your U magnet, then the dielectric and the keeper? In theory, it seems to me it would add to the magnetism increasing the voltage, while still effectively making use of the U shape loop. Just curious if anyone has been able to jump the voltage this way or if my brain is malfunctioning again as it usually does... lol

2. I did not see where anyone has commented at all about your method of recharging a U magnet with the two coils? Does it work? Because I was wondering what would happen if you introduced a low voltage, high amperage into the coils around the magnet? Would you end up with a nice voltage finally combined with amps allowing you to use it?

sirmikey1 · « **Reply #219 on:** August 14, 2008, 10:24:56 AM »

This thread led me over to the Testatica device, reading, and I'm seeing that they
take the original static voltage and split it off into several different power building
devices, some in series, to build power/amps.

Scroll down on this link to FIGURE 7, read the details/construction materials.
http://www.rexresearch.com/testatik/testart.htm

SM

Tinker · « **Reply #220 on:** August 14, 2008, 11:25:38 AM »

Quote from: sirmikey1 on August 14, 2008, 10:24:56 AM

This thread led me over to the Testatica device, reading, and I'm seeing that they
take the original static voltage and split it off into several different power building
devices, some in series, to build power/amps.

Scroll down on this link to FIGURE 7, read the details/construction materials.
http://www.rexresearch.com/testatik/testart.htm

SM

I wondered into to my kitchen today and found a "bucket" that appears to be Identical to the one in Dr Stiffers image of one of his setups that I posted earlier today.

I played around with it tonight and it did read voltage with the same neo's from the first vid but results were far less impresive from my first vid 8 neo's vs 48 in the first vid.

Also according to the new meter I bought when I turn it to amps it displays .078 amps for a brief instant consistantly and then settles on zeros, it has a resistor in it I suspect that has something to do with it.

I did a wet (water in the Bucket) and dry both with the similar results.

I will see what I can do to post a video by the weekend.

The bucket I found today has no label or identifing markings sorry I can't provide a source but the microwaveable plastic I think is the key.

Be Well
Tinker

Koen1 · « **Reply #221 on:** August 14, 2008, 12:31:08 PM »

Quote from: Tinker on August 13, 2008, 06:45:37 PM

Becouse the Post it Notes worked, the "Real Dielectric" did not.

Right. Just like I've been saying all along. It only works with a paper "dry electrolyte"
and not with a proper dielectric/isolator, and so it must be a galvanic reaction.

Quote

If you have read the thread here you will see that I retracted the "amps" comment in the video it was my error and it's not like the video can be edited like we do here on the forum.

Well yes, but I did not see you retract that untill after I posted that remark. Thanks for clearing that up though.

Quote

I wait with baited breath your replication so I can pick on it and tell you what you should have done.

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you, since I had already tried this before you posted your video, and it seems
quite silly to "replicate" something I had already tested before you tried and filmed it.

Isn't your version the "replication" then, by the way?

I've been pointing out that it doesn't work with a real isolator material and that it appears to need two different
metals to work, which leads to the conclusion that it is a galvanic effect.
And everyone has confirmed this so far.
If you had read the thread, you would have read those things in my posts.
And you are welcome to "pick on" my reported observations there... Although I wonder what there is to
pick on; we have a bimetallic junction that seems to produce low voltage when a typical classic
"dry battery" seperator like paper is used, but no longer when an actual isolator is used, and
therefore it seems to be a form of the very classic "dry" Voltaic Pile. But instead of using a bench vise
to apply pressure to the stack, here magnets are used to apply the pressure.
We also have very low voltage and very low amperage, if we get any amps at all.

If there is anything you feel I have omitted here, or that there is a better or different explanation
for the observed readings, then by all means educate me.

Also, please don't think I am trying to "pick on you" or anything, I'm just trying to divide the
wheat from the chaff so to speak and to seperate known effects and psysical explanations
for the observed effects from the overenthousiastic but scientifically highly implausible explanations
suggested by some, like the idea that "electricity is all magnetic particle streams and those can be
pulled out of a magnet and used as electricity" and such misconceptions.

Tinker · « **Reply #222 on:** August 14, 2008, 01:10:30 PM »

Quote from: Koen1 on August 12, 2008, 04:17:58 PM

I just watched it, and there's a few loose ends there
First of all, the guy shows two meters and says he's measuring the DC voltage on the left one,
and simultaneously the AC voltage on the right one. Now that sounds like a good double test setup,
but then you can never clearly see if the meters are showing millivolts or volts, and the guy
never mentions it either. He does mention at some point that, quote, "you can see the charge build up
on the left meter, up to one amp, then it starts over again". Now that is a hell of an odd statement,
since he's measuring voltage and not amperage... Seems to me he just made a mistake and meant
to say it goes up to one volt, probably. '
Second of all, voltage is just that: voltage. It is not current and not really usable "power". It's just static
charge. The video never shows any amperage anywhere, the guy mentions "one amp" but never shows it,
and he sure as hell isn't measuring it in the video...
Third of all, and extremely important, he does not say exactly what kind of neo magnets he's using, although
I think he's using nickel coated neodymiums since those are most common. So he still has nickel and
aluminium and a very bad isolator and potential "dry electrolyte" in a typical "dry battery" setup...
He should try replacing the post-it note with a real isolator, a good piece of nonconductive plastic or something...

I tried this with far fewer neos and I also got a very small voltage when I didn't use a proper isolator material,
but whenever I replaced it with a good isolator I got zero volts.
Even when I used post-it and brown paper as "isolators" (or actually "dry electrolyte" but hey) and I did get
very low voltages, I never got any amperage.
Voltage is easy to make. But to make so much of it continually that it turns into a current, that's something else.

Fair assement I am that guy,

I tried very hard to display the actual results on the meters for all to see but most weren't able due to my limitations and lack of expertise and equiptment.

Both meters were reading MV AC and DC

Your statment about current is correct I have pondered the same question. But I have seen more than one replication where an LED was been powered using magnets.

Today I looked back at Dr Stiffers work and recognized a vessel that he used in one of his builds.

I happened to find one in my home that appeared identical and spent some time working with it. It is a common microwavable storage container. I spent some time with it and had some sucess with it today.

I suspect it has propertys not found in other non microwaveable containers.

My "amps" statment was corrected here on this forum in another thread later that day, you might also note the time on the Vid it was 4am EST it was a long day.

I am working on a new Vid that I hope will be up over the weekend.

Be well
Tinker

sirmikey1 · « **Reply #223 on:** August 14, 2008, 01:23:55 PM »

Koen,
Tinkers is no replication, it's quite different/unique and with different results.
So what's your conclusion to this device? Point me to the thread if I've missed
anything? Not enough initial power to bother with? Like trying to start a fire by
rubbing two sticks together?
Regards,
SM

alkaro · « **Reply #224 on:** August 15, 2008, 07:48:43 AM »

The energy does not come from the magnet. It come from 2 different metalls. That's all.

Mark

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