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Offline mental breakdown

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2008, 04:28:27 PM »
I sent this man an email from the contact on his website.  I asked a few basic questions and wished him the best of luck.  He personally responded to my questions and not with the flare of a salesman.  No exclamation marks throughout the response, no self promoting monologue or scripted canned responses.  I doubt he is looking for a million emails... who knows...   If this is a "scam" then the pitch is more like Tesla, Moray and other inventors and without a dollar value attached.  I do not believe this is a scam, I believe that the man who goes by the name "Archer" truly believes he can do it.  His understanding of what he is doing exceeds my basic understanding of the principles involved.  If it costs me nothing, I am going to support his efforts and be skeptical but not completely dismissive of his claims.  If there is one chance that this guy has a special talent such as many of the deceased inventors that are admired in these forums and on the internet then it is worth keeping an eye on this fellow.  Card table salesman, generator salesman, used car parts salesman..... Puleeesssse.  There have to be much better methods of gaining sales then making a free energy claim and everything he has included so far in his design has cheap or generic options.  If there is anyone in these forums that has some real understanding of any of the concepts he is speaking of I would suggest you ask him yourself.  He isn't in hiding or dead (yet).   :o

Just a thought...

 ;)

   

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2008, 04:28:27 PM »

Offline ramset

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2008, 12:49:58 AM »
Mental B   sorry you thought I was serious about generator salesmen [it was a joke]   I would'nt  be building his frame as I stated above if I didn't  have some confidence in his ability to come thru     Chet

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2008, 05:01:46 AM »
He certainly is sticking his neck out - not afraid of offending bigoil or the Tesla disciples (he's not a big fan of Mr T. it would appear)...

I thought some of the 'heavy-weights' of Bessler would have been all over this by now.  I'm intregued by his use of three hollow tubes in order to somehow re-distribute overall wheel weight, as opposed to trying to move the weight from the 7 to 1 o clock position.  Unfortunately, I lack the brain power to perform the mental gymastics needed to figure out the next step! :D  It is interesting though that he is opting to go the quasi-PM route, using power from the generator to 'close the loop', instead of an all-gravity affair - which seems to be what 99% of all failed wheels have attempted...

On another note, someone posted a 'proven' (at least according to the pdf :)) Gray magnetic motor pdf that was hosted on Rapidshare,  Has this thread fallen onto another 'black hole'?  The construction details are succinct and detailed imo - just wondering what opinion people that are skilled in building such motors have about this...

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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2008, 05:01:46 AM »
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Offline dhirschfelder

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2008, 05:50:25 AM »
Guys,

I emailed Archer and asked if he would consider posting on this thread. He advised that his account no longer works but said I can post the following text below. Thanks Archer for taking time to reply

"for the note on the accelerator, two things, for the guy who said 
about the 9 liters from 10????? sorry first of all the equation is 
false, when you have a 10 liter bucket and you add ten liters per 
minute it overflows at ten liters per minute once full, if you have a 
20 liter bucket and add ten liters per minute it overflows at ten 
liters per minute once full, the addition of the loop does not alter 
the rate of airflow once the tube is full, and considering the airflow
 
rate is 60litres per second it is full instantly the wind speed 
measurement when running with the loop open or closed was the same. 
Mike Bell the engineer for whom I built the device is a pilot and 
carries a wind speed meter with him always, and if you knew the man, 
you would know his testing methods are exceptionally precise, in fact 
without insulting the man, he is so pedantic about perfection, that 
although his heating equipment is the only kind in the world with no 
competition, he keeps upgrading and changing the models so much, that 
no one model has lasted a year, which drives everyone in his factory 
insane. They spend so much time building new prototypes of existing 
products they can't get their own work done. (sorry mike but it's true)

Lower airflow?? ten liters per second is just that regardless of 
container size, and if it goes in at that speed it has to come out at 
that speed.

So too many things in physics by Newtonian bullshit are not true, EG: 
for every action there is an equal or opposite reaction, well you can 
print this very in your face proof it is not true in the science 
monthly magazine, for in front of mankind?s eyes everyday, especially 
science one very basic instrument proves this wrong. A magnet, a 
magnet can lift more than it can push, the attraction and hold 
properties are greater than the repelling properties. EG: a magnet 
capable of pulling a 200KG magnetic block cannot even strapped to a 
front end loader moving slowly up to the same block push the 200kg 
block along the same surface with that repulsion effect, the hold 
effect of a magnet is far greater than the repelling effect. Poor old 
Isaac, sorry champ but wrong again, for every reaction there is not an
 
equal or opposite reaction, that in itself should show you that you 
can get movement without power and that magnetic friction is not 
equal, thus in the same vein that fall usually equates to lift and why
 
an evenly balanced wheel will not turn, or an unevenly balanced wheel 
can fall but not rise, this does not apply to magnets where the lift 
verses repulsion, the lift will always have more (spare) power of the 
repulsion, that in itself is natural over unity!!

AS for the smaller version, yes you can build the machine scaled down,
 
but we need to convince the world this is the answer not some dinky 
toy that does a trick, it must run a standard household item so that 
all will be convinced and all will move to make the change and general
 
engineering will get into the act without thinking they need a 
research team to do it, and I can assure you up-scaling is not as easy
 
as it seems, some parts for the small one I was able to buy in toy 
scale, but have to be made in the larger scale, this will become 
evident when we reach building the control arc.

Hang in there, you have waited this long to see an answer 8 weeks is 
nothing, don?t expect too many to start building until it is complete 
and working, but you also have my word that I will download it to this
 
site even before the website."


 

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2008, 01:45:23 PM »
THANKYOU  very  Very cool  a brave and true hero ..... regardless   Chet

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
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Offline ramset

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2008, 01:23:51 AM »
dhirschfelder can you ask Archer if a car alternator will work   and will the special parts be cast  or machine steel   if machine how big a piece   Thanks Chet

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2008, 03:35:30 AM »
Wow!

8 weeks will seem like an eternity.

But only seem so.

Stay well and wary Archer!

The world will wake up when it receives this gift.
I only hope it has the good sense to thank you. ;)

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Offline dhirschfelder

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2008, 04:30:48 AM »
dhirschfelder can you ask Archer if a car alternator will work   and will the special parts be cast  or machine steel   if machine how big a piece   Thanks Chet

certainly - I'll shoot him an email and see what he says.

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2008, 06:07:30 AM »
@ Ramset

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Mental B   sorry you thought I was serious about generator salesmen [it was a joke]   I wouldn't  be building his frame as I stated above if I didn't  have some confidence in his ability to come thru     Chet

Funny thing is I was seriously trying to figure out the angle for such a pitch ... looking through the website for the "lightbulb" to go on that would indicate an ulterior motive.  (Sincerely wanting to help mankind seems suspicious as it is unselfish and uncommon in my experience).  No big DONATE HERE sign... not even ads or investment opportunities etc.  I thought maybe there's something being sold thats not so evident at this time.  Who knows maybe Archer will finish by saying and the last piece is this "Exziduancy Deciduating Replication Device that you can only buy from me for $499.99".    Thus far his claim is that it can be made from readily available parts.  I think the coolest thing about this free energy device / perpetual motion machine claim is that Archer is putting it together in a "shake and bake" fashion. If it doesn't work as required, it will crash and burn as if it never existed.  (Along with many claims from individuals that they "knew" it wouldn't work and everyone should have known that this guy is just an eccentric kook.)  So I guess what I'm trying to say is... generator saleman...it crossed my mind for a brief second and I gave my head a shake and thought ... maybe I'll just wait this one out before I start condemning the guy; at very least he was courteous enough to personally reply to an email by a potential... fan or admirer,  i guess you'd call it.  This may end up being nothing... in the mean time it is more exciting then waiting for a few watts/amps/volts come out of some of the other units that some of our more mechanically and mathematically inclined people are doing in the forums.    ;D

(BTW - I wouldn't minimize what any of the members here are doing... its just I don't have the time or skill necessary to do the research and it is sometimes slow between the "Eureka" and the prototypes.  This will finish in about 8 weeks and if Archer's words hold true it will be practical for all.  In the mean time I'll keep browsing the forums to keep up with some of the other research being done here.    ;)

later,
Scott


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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2008, 10:33:00 AM »
There will be a new update in around an hour, thanx for the input, and i do appreciate the manner of the last response to the thread, you can be skeptical without being a jerk, so thank you for being polite, it makes it worthwhile to know that common sense still exists, as would i doubt there was not some other motive if i had seen it myself. The problem is the scams of the past and the infiltration onto sites and threads by oil companies posting absolute garbage to make readers thinks the whole site is just a waste of time, not just here but over all net sites.

But i can assure you I try everything possible not to cost you money by using readilly available substitutes for machined parts. One of the great kickers of the machine is the comments i get about how rough it is, and that my friends is its greatest asset, something so crude and so simple still produces the power!! imagine engineered versions built to critical tolerance in an engineering workshop? The output for the same weight distribution will be greatly improved. My name and face is all over the internet, i work in the engineering industry, imagine me trying to get a job if this fails? imagine being seen in public? If i was just attempting it, i would say exactly that, but as this is not the first working machine i am unconcerned. tonight's writeup should help clarify why you can steal from gravity with huge weights and little lift.

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2008, 11:26:58 AM »
@The Eskimo Quinn
Thanks for your kind words.
If you will free a working mecanism,you start a Revolution at this Moment.
I guess,that a lot of rebuilders have their welding mashines in stand by Mode.
And many of them will be able to improofe the mashine with knowledge in design
and engeneering.
Hopefully  Open source , public  and   just in time.
@Dhirschfelder
A alternator will work as well. A small one gives about 50 Amps .So you get 12*50=~ 600Watt
So you can feed a Batery,a converter or both of them.
Old models have pulleys instead of timing belts.

helmut

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2008, 06:07:09 PM »
The Eskimo Quinn  thanks for sharing  am building your device as per your instructions  seems like Taps ,pulses kicks  are all the rage these days  THANKS again   Chet

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2008, 06:33:06 PM »
dhirschfelder can you ask Archer if a car alternator will work   and will the special parts be cast  or machine steel   if machine how big a piece   Thanks Chet

@ramset

here is the reply I got from Archer in ref to your question. Since then it seems Archer has revived his Overunity.com id so that's great.

here you go ... and many thanks Archer

"Alternator is just a generator that has a limiter so as to limit the 
amount of power it puts into the battery. In fact it is likely how it 
will work in an electric car with the charge being internal and 
constant, as opposed to having to stop after one hour, it may be that 
due to size limitations you would have to stop every 2 or 3 hours 
anyway, yet it could be in the desert whilst the car regains 
sufficient charge to complete the trip.

As for the special parts there will not be any cast parts due to it 
being a requirement of mass success that it can never be suppressed, 
thus it must be able to be made at home or with very little 
engineering help.

so much so I have evn changed the large pully to a racing bike rim 
from an old bike, simply due to the cost of a large aluminium 
flywheel, and the steel in the rim is minimal and having little 
magnetic interference, removing and replacing the spokes will be 
posted as part of this evenings upload."

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2008, 06:46:44 PM »
dhirschfelder  THANKS  is this guy amazing or what !!!    step by step   takes us by the hand to replicate" HIS!!"  baby [device] its like a dream come true   Chet

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2008, 03:15:31 AM »
His writing style cracks me up! :D

"And to the few questions regarding gravitational axel torque you are indeed correct, when the weight of the arms is increased the weight required to move the wheel increases, however this although proportional is fractional thus the traveling weight still need only be the straw the broke the camels back, EG a ten ton Ferris wheel can be turn by hand by a man on the ground less than a 100 kg, or if the man climbs up the centre of the ride and out to the carriage at 1 o’clock the wheel will turn and in fact the momentum will still take him past the 7 o’clock point (have personally done this climb many times as I traveled with the carnival as a boy and worked on just such a wheel).

This component confuses many science students of the Newtonian school of thought, for they work the calculation as such: EG 5 pounds extra on one side of an evenly balanced wheel is only 5 pounds thrust plus a small addition for gravitational fall of the 5 pounds according to Newton. For all those who truly believe this go and lay down under a 30 ton train locomotive and have 3 of your friends who weigh a total of 300 Kilos push it over you, now you can surely withstand this Locomotive (arm) weight as it is only 300 kilos right??? trust me, Gravity never gave a flying fuck as to who Isaac Newton was, 30 ton is still 30 ton when falling regardless of what initiated the fall, or you could always have yourself and 2 friends measure 100 meters of track, to equal the circumference of a large gravity wheel push the train for 20 meters on this flat track, run around it to the 6 o’clock length of the track and try and stop the train with the same 3 people??!! funny thing about momentum, it too never heard of Isaac Newton. To be really fair I will give you 3 to one, get yourself and two friend to waith for the guy on the ferris wheel to climb out and when the cage before him passes at 6 oclock jump in front of his cage and stop the wheel, after all it's only his weight plus gravitational fall of his weight which is not 3 times his weight, Good luck with that and give my regards to Newton."

 

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