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### Author Topic: Roll on the 20th June  (Read 1853407 times)

#### CLaNZeR

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##### Roll on the 20th June
« on: April 21, 2008, 05:41:56 PM »

#### hartiberlin

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2008, 06:53:40 PM »
Hmm,
on
http://www.surphzup.com/gpage3.html
he says:

The premise of the wheel is simple in the object, and that is to get the wheel to turn itself. For those who wish to understand the basic principle of a gravity wheel; take the cage cover off your pedestal fan (or any vertical fan) and place/tape a coin of any size to the outside edge of one of the blades, holding it just past the top at the 0ne o?clock position, let it go. the fan will turn simply because there is more weight on one side than the other. What is notable and also important is momentum. the blade with the coin will always travel well past the centre base of the fan, before rolling back. So we have gravity that makes the turn possible with any other energy, and we have momentum created due to the loss of impact normally given to a falling object.

what we are building is a machine that has mastered the art of moving the weight roughly from the 7 o?clock position back up to the one o?clock position so that the wheel is always having to let the heavier side fall. speed of moving the object is crucial so continuous motion is maintained, and weight is also key to the amount of power derived from the machine. The impossible or previously impossible task was to lift an object using less power than is gained by the falling object. Key also to this was what even DaVinci himself missed, and that was that it takes less energy to move an object A) a shorter distance and B) on a diagonal slope. It takes far greater thrust to launch a rocket to 10,000 feet than to get an aircraft to the same height, and we are not talking percentage amounts we are talking hundreds of time the power or less power.

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How can he get the blade with the coin back from 7 o clock to 1 o?clock ?

Did somebody understand this ?

Has this anything to do with a airplane going into a parabel for free fall speed tests ?

#### CLaNZeR

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2008, 07:10:37 PM »

How can he get the blade with the coin back from 7 o clock to 1 o?clock ?

Did somebody understand this ?

Has this anything to do with a airplane going into a parabel for free fall speed tests ?

This is the component he will not release till last in his build project.

I am tempted to start this, but I hope it does not turn out like the Pyramid Project, where everyone went off welding up frames and now are stuck with Metal Pyramids everywhere  , inlcuding ME hehe

Also he states in his original design that no extra power was needed to get past this stage of the revolution, yet in the new bigger version 10% of the power produced will be used.

Be nice if this one is genuine for a change.

I stay open minded as usual and looking forward to more information.

#### oouthere

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2008, 08:13:50 PM »
Gravity wheels can't work.  The only one I remember reading about that did was built by a clock maker in the 1800's and he destroyed it after the buyer wanted to look inside.  Another scam, he just did not want to be killed for tricking people.

Rich

#### mikestocks2006

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2008, 08:38:02 PM »
Thanks for the links. Not enough info on the gravity device yet, so not much to comment

But I just finished reading his Thermal Accelerator provisional patent, and it appears there is a flaw in the out put energy balance.

Yes it is true that the exit temperature would rise but, it will rise at the cost of reduced air flow. The fan can only ?suck in? 10 litters per second at the plane of its blades. The fan doesn?t care where the air/fluid comes from. It can only move 10 liters/sec

With the ?venture? type loop attached, some of the outlet air gets re-circulated back , before the fan blade?s plane entrance.

So the fun still pushes 10 litters/sec at the entrance, but only 9lit/sec are getting out, the other 1 is re-circulated back.

To make this very simple to understand.

Take a fluid that has a specific heat capacity of 1 (J/(g*k)
Start at 0 ref degrees and elevate it to 50 deg, basically looking for 50 deg dif

Either you take 6 grams from 0 to 50 or 5 grams from 0 to 60, it?s the same energy out.

Now I?ve used the above example to match his, since he mentions air (Cp=1.0035 Jg^(-1)K^(-1)
He mentions airflow at the inlet, but did not provide air flow measurements at the outlet.
He mentions 20% increase (60/50) output but he only notes the temperature rise from 50 deg to 60 deg, without including the mass flow rate factor at the outlet.
The heat energy deferential per unit time, delivered at the outlet is m*Cp*DeltaT
Where m is mass flow per unit time, Cp is specific heat and DeltaT is the temp differential achieved.

Anyway, unless something is not understood properly, the claim, as far as increased energy out from the outlet only, doesn?t seem to be valid or at least is incomplete according to the example he has provided.

The new gravity set up maybe interesting to analyze/build if it shows promise though.

Thanks

#### pese

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2008, 09:47:43 AM »
« Last Edit: April 22, 2008, 12:58:16 PM by pese »

#### neptune

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2008, 10:07:01 PM »
Why do I get a feeling of Deja Vu?  Start by making a frame from welded steel with a square base and four bits sticking up in the air at an angle to the vertical. Photographs are provided to show you how to do it. I am not giving you all this info now, but at some (un)certain date in the future. Hey, maybe we could save some steel and time and use our Trawoeger pyramid frames as the base, That way we will have only one piece of junk come July instead of two. If we had a working gravity wheel that would generate 8 kilowatts, I reckon it would need to be the size of the London Eye (google it). It ain't going to fit in your garage, and the Planning Department are going to ask awkward questions. Sorry but I have been had before. Anyone taking bets on when this guy will disappear? I shall not be welding just yet or any time soon. If this turns out to be genuine, I will eat my hat on Youtube.

#### hartiberlin

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2008, 11:17:23 PM »
Well, as he explains now,
he wants to lift a weight, that has gone down from 1 o?clock on the right side of his wheel to 7 o?clock
via tubes from  7 o?clock up to 1 o?clock again.

I think this is not possible, as he would only be able to move it up to about the same height 11?clock or 1 o?clock,
but as there is always friction it will not work and come to a stop,
if he did not find any new secret how to need less energy to move the weight up.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2008, 04:43:33 AM by hartiberlin »

#### Feynman

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2008, 11:31:45 PM »
Watch him get murdered on June 19th.

#### bourne

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2008, 12:36:06 AM »
Indeed roll on 20th of June.....

It will be my 35 Birthday!  Yipee

Party poppers at the ready!!

35 times round the sun and still chasing dreams. It would be a nice present but some how I think all I will be getting is more socks.

#### ramset

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2008, 02:52:52 AM »
MY lawyer once told me never give a man a stick to beat you with   this fellow seems to be handing out an awful lot of sticks     anyway I will have my frame ready for the 20th   Chet

#### neptune

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2008, 08:47:04 PM »
OK OK tonight I am feeling a little bit more benevolent. Only a bit though. Just suppose you received a letter showing you a system that would enable to to back the winner in every horse race for the rest of your life. Would you rush to the bookies and stake your life savings on the next race? No i thought not. You Would start with a very low stake that you could easily afford to lose. So if some guy turns up with an equally amazing claim about a free energy machine , why would you go out and buy a brand new generator and start attacking it with an angle grinder. This either works or it doesn't
If it works, then a table top small scale machine, using an electric motor from a toy as the generator, will prove the concept. Remember there are prizes for one watt overunity. Once people have built small scale cheap machines, they will need no persuading to build big. As he claims to have already built small machines, he could show us straight away. I may not be the brightest star in the sky, and I cannot guarantee to redesign and improve any machine in 24 hours. But I know what Bullshine smells like. If this guy is gonna change the world,he wont be too worried about the doubts of lesser men like myself.

#### helmut

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2008, 10:24:45 PM »
@Neptune
We have a Date to wait for.
The date will come.With or without his new advice.
I think the inventor is a realy clever guy. If you read his plans carefully,you can see,that he explained a lot yet.

@Feynman
He will protect himselve via clever actions.
I guess,some of us will be surprised,others not that much.
If i was on his place,the plans would be spread to servers in all kontinents
and would be posted by a army of bots ,fully automaticesd.

Or he has prepared the future all ready.Who knows.

helmut

#### ramset

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2008, 12:45:43 AM »
Neptune so you think this guy could be a generator salesman?

#### Rusty_Springs

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##### Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2008, 01:24:35 AM »
Hi All
This sounds interesting but it is a wait a see thing, I must admit I'm a sceptic until I see the proof. Speaking of Gravity wheels I did have an idea using my Trigate and a Gravity wheel and I would like to know what some of you think.
The idea was having a wheel balanced with roller magnets on it and having two sets of Trigates one at 1am to the wheel the other at about 3am at the wheel the theory is having a roller move along the bottom set of trigates to the wheel, dropping onto the wheel moving it down where it releases a roller at the top set of Trigates it moves along that set drops down to the bottom set of Trigates moves along to the wheel and drops into the wheel releasing another roller to start the process again.
Take Care All
Graham