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Offline dhirschfelder

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2008, 03:25:30 AM »
dhirschfelder  THANKS  is this guy amazing or what !!!    step by step   takes us by the hand to replicate" HIS!!"  baby [device] its like a dream come true   Chet

@ramset

indeed Archer is quite distinctive from what we are seeing. I think his approach is both unique and admirable.

Some points :
1. Unlike Steorn who sought media attention immediately, Archer is deliberately steering clear of them knowing how damaging their ignorance/agenda can be and hardly surprising when you consider who controls the media.
2. Unlike almost every other 'new energy source' that  seems to promise delivery 'next year', Archer by contrasts tells us this quarter ! i.e. a matter of weeks - 2008
3. Unlike every other source of new energy, his plan to auction the original T-Ford of his technology is both smart and selfless but he knows that any other path will be met with obstruction. I suspect he will be in demand for interviews, book deals and perhaps even a movie - all going well he will be handsomely rewarded for his efforts after deliverance. What engineering company would not want the guy who invented and delivered free energy on their advisory board. That makes the remnant weeks between now and June 20th somewhat special - I can't imagine Archer is likely to be able to handle the bombardment of contact he is likely to have.
4. I wonder myself what the very best way to spread the word worldwide would be by avoiding the media. If we assume that readers of this web site and others similar in nature would clearly be on board as would possibly many internet frequenters, that still leaves a gazillion people who would be unaware of the phenomenon.
You want to target people everywhere who are likely to build one for themselves, relatives and friends. Word of mouth is powerful but slower than a direct communication. There is nothing I can think of that has necessitated such a fast spread of information that didn't involve the media or the internet in recent history and therein lies the problem. One possible solution is direct mail - you'd need funding from a sponsor to pay for the post office to include with everyone's mail a 1 page summary flyer of everything you need to build one. Clearly the mail(postal) service is likely to clear its activities with the government and again a flaw presents itself.
The only other option is street flyers where a network of people worldwide agree to print up 1000 pages similar to the post office approach and literally hand them out person to person. At some point enough people will have the knowledge to hand to make it irreversible at which point any negativity the media may engage in would already be a mute point.

This has probably been discussed to death already on other threads - but if June 20 is what we expect - the concept should become a reality rather soon.

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« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2008, 05:09:44 PM »
DH  just a thought because of the already existing  infrastructure      churches  synagoge any place of worship [though I don't belong to one] senior centers [assisted living like sunrise]not invalids   craigs list  any community help center  civic association etc etc I would stay away from political orgs will set up a mobil demo unit for what ever course  we think  makes the most sense     Chet

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2008, 05:40:58 PM »
DH  just a thought because of the already existing  infrastructure      churches  synagoge any place of worship [though I don't belong to one] senior centers [assisted living like sunrise]not invalids   craigs list  any community help center  civic association etc etc I would stay away from political orgs will set up a mobil demo unit for what ever course  we think  makes the most sense     Chet

What du you and DH think about the hidden action like the Illuminanti do.
Why to take the Megaphon.? Call the Sharks?
First lets the mashine run and then make shure,that a planetised network of rebuilders come together.
Lets organise for a proper dokumentation and instruction.
If the first Youtube Demontrations become available,lets spread Links and mirrors.

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« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2008, 06:06:51 PM »
It is entirely conceiveable that due to the open source nature of this project and the fact that Archer states that it can be made by the common man with average mechanical skill and it will utilize readily available parts, many small time entrepreneurs or opportunists will begin to make the machines for profit.  If 20 people world wide make even 10 of these machines for sale or just for their friends and family, the news will spread rapidly and its development will follow rapidly as 200 people will be able to point their fingers at the device when questioned about how they do it.  Word of mouth can spread the information quickly, small town papers would make headlines of each individual that builds any free energy machine, especially if the person building the device is not secretive about who invented the device and how they can do it for themselves.  Currently, almost everybody that is utilizing current technology such as wind and solar to supplement their power are getting all kinds of average folks contacting them asking them how they do it.  One man I've seen locally has a small but obvious wind generator on his front lawn, I am uncertain if it would power much more then a lightbulb.  A friend of mine said the man is going to take it down because everybody calls or stops to ask him about the specs and details as if he created it or as if it was somehow taking care of his energy need (It is hooked into his garage I believe and supplements the lighting.)

If the device Archer is producing could be replicated for $500.00 to $1500.00 as claimed surely they would sell for significantly more for a finished working product.  The biggest problem will be whether the device is stable enough to be relyed upon as an independant primary source for household energy needs.  No one will buy a unit that is going to work some of the time or for a few hours and then it need to be rebooted, reenergized, untangled or whatever.  The consumer wants a machine that will work continuously with little or no maintenance and a contact phone number that will fix the machine quite quickly in the event it stops working. For any mechanical individual that is looking for a small/large business opportunity this may be quite promising as it will not require the investment or restrictions that corporate opportunities require.  In theory, if the unit is all that it is said to be, any competent mechanic could build and sell maybe 5 units per week at maybe $500.00 + profit per machine.  At $2,500.00 per week a very comfortable living could be had.  Because of the manner by which this development is coming about I am more concerned about the device working continuously and providing the necessary output and it being relatively easy to duplicate.  One thing most of the designs that tote a free energy claim have in common is the expertise necessary to duplicate the effect.  Claims of overunity and free energy are cropping up everyday and dying out just as quickly since most of the simple ideas have one or two secrets that everyone is trying to crack because the inventor decided to go for the money or never perfected his device before becoming public.  If Stan Meyer's, Henry Moray, Nikola Tesla, Steven Marks had no holds barred showed everyone every single element (completely open sourced) to there devices I have no doubt people would spend more time perfecting their work, then attempting to duplicate it based on incomplete information.

I sincerely hope everything goes as Archer has planned, I am certainly routing for him!

Take care,
Scott

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« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2008, 08:35:03 PM »
If i did not believe in Free energy being a possibility, I would not frequent this website. It has been famously said that extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof. A lot of people are counting a lot of chickens before they are hatched. Spreading the word on this if it is real will not be a problem, with or without the media.There are, I am sure , a lot of gifted builders on this site. However, these days I am amazed at how unpractical most people are today. As An appliance engineer, every day I get called out to unblock filters on washing machines, even though the customer has an instruction book explaining how to do it. Joe public will not be able to build his own machine, but as has been said, there is a business opportunity for the local engineer. I still maintain that a simple proof- of -concept machine would be the best start. OK, scaling up would not be easy, but every neighbourhood has a guy capable of it. At this stage we are still just talking theory, until we see proof. Past dissapointments have made me cynical, but not I hope, offensive.

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« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2008, 08:57:14 PM »
@Helmut @DH @MB  others  these are just ideas {you wuoldn't be able to demonstrate a non working device]  also selling and marketing is not what I had in mind  yes Helmut I agree the megophone with the bullseye is not good  however we need to discuss what is a workable  release   so Archer's device  can't be squished   How to teach others to build would be 1st [IMO] as many as possible as fast as possible  some of us here have a relationship by association  a certain ammount of trust in certain people a good start compared to total strangers   how do we build on this to establish further evolution of our forum relationship  not just for this idea but others that are in the oven[looks like the thumbtack on GIANT KILLER'S thread will be going back to the thumbtack box soon]  I have  no intention of showing anything without input on  how  when  why  where  from forum members if we can't be some kind of community[people of like mind] we should strive to be  we have almost 2 months to work on this and we've already started!!!  Chet PS ideas needed!!!!

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« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2008, 09:22:46 PM »
why don't you start saving pictures and text from Archers website, then, when you have a working machine a "How to build" pdf can be put together which can then be printed and posted through peoples doors, nailed to fences, sent to engineering firms, glued to pavements, left on cafe tables and of course posted in every forum you can find. You could even send one to your local councillor, MP (or equivalent) or local newspaper.
Once word starts getting round it would be unstoppable.

Light blue touch-paper at arms length and retire :)

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Re: Roll on the 20th June
« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2008, 09:48:12 PM »
@ramset and others
I just like to highlight some interesting Point.
Many good Guys have been here day by day and from one day to the other,they disappear
like in a magic.
Bobmarie,Hydrogene tab,Hans von Lieven,LancaIV,Chas Campbell, PM ,Traw?ger and so on.
And now comes a real Attac to the ground of the moneymakers.If this Devise is working as proposed,
then we can expect a debunking action in a never before seen quality.
I yust like you to think about possible consequences.
Here in my Country the local goverment is partner of the Gas and electricity supplyer.They will not like others to
supply themselve with cheap energy and especial because their profit from energy consumer is very high.
It might happend,that you are blamed to disturb the public order and be punished for that.Lets be realistic.
This technology can best be distributed with love and without the media.
We will distribute a usefull mashine as soon as possible,but to create a hype might end in a dangerous
Situation.And this would be contraproductive.
That is now your point Chet. Colect Ideas how to support a distribution in the best effective way

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« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2008, 10:17:55 PM »
Helmut @all very true what you say    also this device because of its passive  safe concept [no dangeruos elec or gas or mysteries hokus pokus [to the laymen] ] will test the powers that be more than any other    how do you hurt your selt or others with gravity [im being simplistic here  more people get hurt with a screwdriver every year than anything else] so anyway its gonna be out there   amoungs't the loving and selfish come June 20th    I think #1 is teaching others the way Archer is teaching us   I walk by faith and knowledge and some intuition others must see to believe  any ideas  Chet PS   @ Neptune missed your post I agree  I havn't been stung to many times here [plenty elsewhere] @Bourne yes  good ideas  Whats your last comment mean [blue paper something ] 
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« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2008, 11:41:10 PM »
@ all

Hi folks, I'm fairly new here but I thought I'd answer the call for information dissemination of this open source offering. (Hi chet!)

First off I'd like to exemplify that this should be (and maybe the idea should be proposed to Archer -- The Eskimo Quinn) treated exactly like an open source software project. If he would be agreeing to it, It would be a wonderful way to give conceptual credit where credit is due.
With the abundance of bright minds here, I think tuning and production of such a device should be possible and should also be given credit if merited.
Open source "rules" allow you to do just about anything with an idea except squash it, or steal it.

Just being open source will not spread it fast enough though.

I use both linux (preferred) and windows and the only way I've seen that linux has made any real inroads into windows monopolization is via brave individuals making proofs of the benefits of it as a server operating system.
Server, not workstation.
This is akin to power companies vs. home users.

People will NOT (as a rule) give up the familiar for the untested and exotic, so that model (brave individuals) just doesn't work here. There aren't enough of us in positions of "authority" to inject something like this into the mainstream.

For users (ordinary people) to adopt something not "approved and handed down" to them there has to be an extra something special. Something that makes them feel as if they are the one revolutionizing the world.
The other reason (and of a MUCH larger proportion) is money.
Some Sci-Fi author somewhere @ sometime quoth, "99.5% of the time when the question starts 'Why do they....?' or 'Why don't they.....?', the answer is money. (I think it was Heinlein, as he's one of my favorites.)

The money angle is being done for us, SO LET'S USE IT!

That last niggling 0.5% (all right,  maybe it's a full %) is because they (whomever they may be) think they're "getting over" on someone(thing). That they're beating the system and that they are one of the "true and enlightened" able to do it.
It's a dark truth of human nature, but why don't we use that too?

The thing is, is that most people can't stand is that no one knows how "enlightened" they are and they HAVE to tell their friends so someone will know and hold them in a higher esteem. They will tell anyone if they don't have friends. ;) But they will pick and choose whom they tell. The criteria for such disclosure is a mystery still but it seems (from personal experience) to cover a broad segment of humanity when employed.

I'm in IT and if I want to "convince" someone that they should use a freeware version of something with a bit less functionality than a proprietary (read $$$$) version of an application, 80% of the time all I have to do is preface any statements talking about it with, "I really shouldn't be telling you this, but..........." and 80% of the time it works. Sometimes so well that I've had to backpedal to explain the "user demand" as "Well, I let them use it on the understanding that they were sort of a beta tester. I didn't know they would tell everyone."

Suffice it to say that it's worked wonderfully a lot of the time. (Nothing is absolute, we know this. That's why we're here. :D )

If we help Archer to disseminate this knowledge, we have to start low. What I mean is, target schools and learning institutions of all types. In this I mean "get them before their minds are concrete". There's @ least 17-25% out there that can be saved from "the law" of physics, energy, conservation, whatever! They might be a person of potential enough to make the next big breakthrough!
All we have to do is help them question things and make their teachers explain why it's not possible.
We're all here because we have open enough minds to know THAT WE DON'T KNOW!! But maybe we can figure it out! :D
I bet quite a few of us bedeviled teachers by being bright and "just not caring" about what we were trying to be force-fed, or being (and a MUCH smaller segment) overtly antagonistic to ideas and thoughts we knew were not correct even though they were the "accepted and correct" way of doing things.

A printed idea, schematic, or hastily scribbled note with a website address stuck on a cork board has had amazing success. Usually it has to be prefaced with "Make $100,000 a month with only 3 hours per day."
But it works!

Their are also viral and spamming techniques (to be used VERY judiciously or you're just another spammer!!!!!) that there will always be people that can implement, but may have the high moral standards to NOT do.
They might be interested in compromising those standards for a purpose of global freedom.
None of us would get spam in our in box or annoying telemarketers on the phone if the "3% rule" didn't apply to humanity.

These ideas (and many more) may not seem ethical, proper, forthright, or honest; but do you see THEM (big brother, the Illuminati, global govt, "the power that oppresses and opposes change", etc.) caring about that with broad swathes of dissinformation and suppression we all are able to see daily?
After all, they have the "duty" to care for their "cattle".

These are dark opinions that I espouse, and it pains me that I must think in such a way. But not to do so when confronted with so many different examples of how's it's trying to be done to me everyday is just plain ludicrous.

I have morals and standards, and employ them until they have been used to hamstring me too many times.

Then, all bets are off..................and I'll come gunning for "you" using the same tools you used against me.

My $0.02.
Please tell me if you see other, better ways to do this and would like to teach me the err of my ways.
Also, please ask for other ideas if you think (some of) the extreme methods I outline might be necessary.

Better yet, look around you and see what's trying to be done to us (they wouldn't keep trying if it wasn't marginally successful) and use it to the worlds advantage.


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EXX very interesting insight   quite accurate in its context  food for thought [human nature] THINKING....... Chet

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« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2008, 01:30:08 AM »
@All

I agree with all of what's been said so far (except attracting the wrong people of course) and have an idea to spread the word.

Q: What is the world's biggest flea market? 
A: Ebay

Setup an account and give it away (the building plan or http link to) by advertising it as a carbon emission reduction device, it seems like it's the buzzword du jour these days...LOL

Maybe describe it as a handy man only type project or build to suit for people that are able to offer the service of building the machine.

Respect,
Paul


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« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2008, 04:29:21 AM »
@ Goat

E-bay probably would be a great idea, though I would bet the day it is released someone will start trying to make money off the plans.  It will be posted as "free" on e-bay +$15.00 shipping and handling or a pdf file with a password that can only be had by signing up for something.  Getting a device off the local laughing stage will be tough.  That Chas Campbell guy almost had the right idea but he mentioned that he was going to give the technology to the government.  LOL now there's the first and biggest mistake he could make - trust the government and they will take it and suppress it, legislate against it or turn it into a weapon.  Trust the larger media and it will become the joke of the hour and not heard of again.  The press treated that Chas guy like he was an senile old fart that was just deluding himself.  I cannot say whether his unit does what he said it does but he would have got his idea out much better to give it to the public completely so it can be duplicated independently.

I wonder what kind of satisfaction the Wright Bros. got when they were told so many times during the first 5 years of flying that it was impossible.  My gut still says whomever has a working prototype will open a flood gate of publicity every time it is announced in the local media (I don't think the small time local papers are terribly corrupt, brainwashed somewhat, but not totally corrupt).  Anyone that creates a prototype and wants to help their community could easily do one of the business opportunity like seminars that seem to get people out and motivated.  A short downloadable video on youutube or a torrent etc may go a long way if someone takes the time to video tape the entire process.  Getting the information out will not be as difficult as deflecting the naysayers with the big textbook brains that have squashed so many interesting ideas with a just a few words in the press.  One man could not sufficiently educate the world, even if a machine does what it is claimed to do, it takes many people doing it before someone in a position of world influence will stick their neck out and promote an idea.

Besides, Sales people are ingenious when it comes to drawing attention to a product and I would guess this one might be no exception.  Maybe the trick is to is to put the word "FREE P0RN" in big letters in a blog or downloadable file - Maybe call the video "Dick Schlong - The Perverted Perpetual Motion Machine" or "Bend Over Unity and Give It To Her"  I'm sure it would get a million hits - sexually frustrated hits that is.    :-*    LOL.

Just a thought,
Scott

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« Reply #43 on: April 29, 2008, 05:29:06 AM »
@All

some excellent points and ideas from everyone who posted in the last 24hrs. Ramset good idea on the church route - was thinking similar and indeed any charitable organisation e.g. Lyons clubs - the list is extensive. I think the Vatican came out with some new sinful behaviours recently of which one was pollution so that's an opening there - get Pope Benny on-board.


In ref to ebay I agree it will attract a lot of attention but again only from computer savvy people which leaves a whole world of untapped groups. Word of mouth has to compensate for the rest of the targeted people on the plannet. Very unchartered territory in terms of a product that is not simply a gadget like an ipod and is free if you take time to build and will get you off the grid if you are motivated.

No doubt Archer has thought about this at length and hopefully will add his perspective as time permits.

Once again though, some excellent points from everyone

DH


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« Reply #44 on: April 29, 2008, 11:46:16 AM »
I have looked at the recent posting on his webpage:

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Ok I will give you a little tip on why the machine works so easily, everyone go and get your pedestal fans again, and tape your coin to the blade again and put it at one o?clock again and let it go, it does not stop at six o'clock does it? and if taken to the one o?clock point will always have the momentum to take it well past the base, so equal lift requirement for equal fall is a myth, of course more Newtonian bullshit, in fact physics say it should return to the start point energy in equaling energy out, of course the friction on the axel from the weight and the torque created by the centrifugal force prevent this, but still it does not stop at the base due to momentum, thus you do not need the same amount of lift over distance as the fall provided, why??? the 5 pounds going down surely means you need an equal 5 pounds lift of an equal distance? well you can see with the rotation when you let the blade go that this is completely untrue, because of.......??? gravity!! and like a car uses less power at speed than it does to get there, it requires less to continue the motion. The base principal is very simple, the power used is the power coming from the generator at the point the arm passes a switch that provides the boost to get it that short distance back over the top, the creative point was to design the machine so that that was the total use. Get it???? OK only at the point of the switch does it use the power, hence the power produced through the rest of the rotation is unused, like a strobe light only uses power at the point of switching.


Sorry, I have to say, this writing makes no sense to me.
if you tape the coin at the blade at 1 oclock it will use up its potential energy to begin
rotating the fan and creates momentum, but also if the blades are heavy weight, if will only
add so much momentum as the coin multiplied with the height difference and earth acceleration
had:
Epot= m x g x h
so the potential Energy Epot is
converted into kinetic energy and the fan blade will
only go to the 11 oclock height again, if there would be no friction.
In my experience, shifting the weight from 7 oclock to 1 oclock
would also take the same amount of energy again and as there would
be even more friction invloved by somehow pulling the weight into the pipe
and transfer it diagonal to 1 oclock would even need more energy.
So you have no energy left to propell a coupled generator.

It is very clear, that if a weight has gone down in the gravitational
field, its potential energy:
Epot= m x g x h
has been lost.
The only thing I could see something would work in a gravity wheel
will be, if the down-movement of the weight  movement will be stored in a spring or pendulum
and this way the weight will be pulled up automatically again,
when the unbalancing of the wheel  and thus the energy extraction
from the gravity field has been done and the weight is retrieved again automatically
via the spring or the pendulum arm.

So in this moment I don?t see, how Archer?s wheel will ever work...

 

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