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Offline otto

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #615 on: April 28, 2008, 12:31:18 PM »
Hello all,

I had to earn my money so Im back.

I see 4 1/2 turns of the blue wire!? I suppose the other wires are the same lenght of 4 1/2 turns.

Mannix said  - not including the CONTROL wires!!

This means we are looking at the........

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #616 on: April 28, 2008, 12:40:54 PM »
@Mannix

I see your helices, wire ends at the quads (inside and outside) and the reverse handedness between the two layers. I also see 4 conductors per layer and the white wire only on the outer edge.
If your connect the innner ends between the top and bottom (left and right on the image) you have current flowing opposite directions but creating the same magnetic polarity in each layer. (like my EMP coil 8-)


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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #617 on: April 28, 2008, 01:43:35 PM »
the white ones are the power collectors !?

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #618 on: April 28, 2008, 01:56:34 PM »
The white wires appear to be just a common point for the windings.
I expect between the two layers the magnetic fields will be the same polarity but the net electric field will be near zero.

Nature abhors a vacuum.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #619 on: April 28, 2008, 02:20:47 PM »
Glad to see some are concentrating on the rings and eventually a consensus can occur.

That's why I said we have to look again at the rings. In a previous post, I was indicating that there were two wires in the ring each cut as a dead end. But there is no dead end on closer look.

On the top ring, what is obvious is at least 3 turns of a continuous loop. The 4 or 4 1/2 would have to be firmed up, but there is at least 3 turns of a single wire per ring. Something like a mobius.

I have traced the wires from the top loop going into a connector and you can see the bottom loop also goes to the same connector. Otto and Roberto, does this "ring a bell' .lol

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #620 on: April 29, 2008, 04:34:05 AM »
@MIke and Codewebs......wow  cooooollllllllll, going to try it

CodeWebs, Dom, good to see interest in this simple self oscillator experiment.
Here is an exact layout of it.
 
Should anyone replicates it, it would be great to confirm the high output voltage at points C and D without any load.
As I tried to measured, it overloaded the 500V max readout on the digital meter at 1KOhm and also overloaded without load.

Thanks

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #621 on: April 29, 2008, 05:03:36 AM »
Mikestocks2006,

that's a nice little "passive" bemf pusler, but of what relevance is it to the TPU?

i think this has been "discovered" dozens of times, it's not ou sorry to say.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #622 on: April 29, 2008, 05:03:40 AM »
@mikestocks

Good work. I'm glad to see some are trying reeds and you discovered the magnet at the right angles makes it oscillate. If you try and find some normally closed reeds also and use them side by side to the NO reed connecting one of the ends together. This will enable you to send the flyback to another coil and check the secondary output of that one. Actually a three way reed is preferable but two reeds having the same specs except for NO and NC will do this. I think if the TPU was using reeds, the 20 minute run time is logical. A 3-way reed would enable reusing the flyback instead of having it return only to create heat and burn out the reed....
Hi wattsup,
Thanks for the suggestions.
I checked again with RadioShack and they do not carry any NC reeds or any NC reed/activating solenoid combo.
So for the time being I?m trying to keep it as close and as simple as possible to the initial SM?s setup and as jdurban noted in the interview, RS was the source for parts back then. However; NC and 3 way are available from Hamlin and others.

A next logical step would be to have the small?s toroid output C-D feeding the primary control coils of the TPU or at least one of them, add more self oscillating circuits such as this for more control coils? Also what would happen if the small toroid is not used at all and the A-B are fed to the main primary coil(s) in the SM tpu? What would a series of high voltage spikes across the main primary to the tune of 5-6KHZ would result at the collector (final tpu output)?

The reed switch (magnetic sensor) could even be removed from its own activating coil and be placed near or inside a primary main control coil too, or better yet to get the complete feedback have it sensing and cutting off from the final collector output? 
Its an attempt to break the system down to its most elementary elements in an effort to test/understand the basics of the working principle before mixing it up to more complicated levels.

Note: the reed is very easy to remove from inside its activating coil from that RS part. Just slowly bend back straight the two center leads and it just slides out of one side from the blue coil casing.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #623 on: April 29, 2008, 05:06:59 AM »
Mikestocks2006,

that's a nice little "passive" bemf pusler, but what relevance is that to the TPU?

i think this has been "discovered" dozens of times, it's not ou sorry to say.
I never said it was OU, where did you see that? Did you read my previous posts?
Just trying to get a simplistic driving circuit for the primary of SM tpu using simple available parts from RS.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #624 on: April 29, 2008, 05:17:24 AM »
so why use a reed switch mate? using a transistor or fet or hall sensor is pretty darn simple too...have you studied any bedini circuits?

your operating frequency is at the mercy of the mag bias and coil surrounding the reed

radio shack had transistors and mosfets back then too, but assuming that all or most SM's parts came from radio shack is a pretty big assumption i think  :o

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #625 on: April 29, 2008, 05:28:23 AM »
so why use a reed switch mate? using a transistor or fet or hall sensor is pretty darn simple too...have you studied any bedini circuits?

your operating frequency is at the mercy of the mag bias and coil surrounding the reed

radio shack had transistors and mosfets back then too, but assuming that all or most SM's parts came from radio shack is a pretty big assumption i think  :o
Hi poynt99
Please read post 556, describes the scope and reasons, most if not all your questions are answered there.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4486.msg92135.html#msg92135

Anyways thanks for the suggestions?

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #626 on: April 29, 2008, 05:42:56 AM »
@Mike...., beautiful work my friend, I sent you a pm, hope to have you included into one of my fine contacts.....
for me you have sparked my enthusiasm in the TPU again. Simple yet effective in explaining what he could be doing with these magnets in the units, makes alot of sense to me...

Oh just remembered something, do you have a little vid you can do? if not don't worry, because no matter, im going to head your way with this.
Is there also any noise when this is happeneing?

Thanks Again,

Dom

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #627 on: April 29, 2008, 07:59:47 AM »
Hello all,

@wattsup

hmmm....the collectors....4 wires at 90? ....4 1/2 turns...hmmm....Im ....

OK, I have to use my little brain:

we see the end points of this coils. With 4 1/2 turns for each wire we have the starting points of this wires also at 0?, 90?, 180? and 270?. If I would connect my 4 controls somehow to this collectors I would have a horizontal AND vertical magnetic field. A much better field. Hmmm.....have I to connect the controls to the collectors? No. Can I pulse only the collectors? Yes, I saw fine nice kicks.
Can I pulse the controls not connected to the collectors but on this collectors have a nice shining bulb? Yes.
I tried it.

The Mobius as I made it all the time was really not good. A lot of times I saw that my Mobius doesnt work. I had a Mobius with 1 turn, with 3 turns, 5 turns 9 turns. All working or not in the same manner: not good!!

How to build this collectors?

I suppose it is the best solution to use 2 lamp cables. 1 lamp cable cutted to have 0? and 90? and the other 180? and 270?. I mean the 2 strands cutted to the needed lenghts. With 2 lamp cables we have 4 strands, of course.

As the 6" TPU is 1" thick I used 9 turns of lamp wires and so I can easily use 2 x 4 1/2 turns and again I have 1" thickness of my TPU.

Not bad for my little brain, ha,ha.

And I wound last week sooooo a big nice coil!!!! I needed ALL the week!! But my mistake: a 9 turns collector!!! S..T!!!

Bur whats with the white wire? 1 turn. A ring? Copper or Nickel or Alu, ......dont say iron!!! I hate iron. If I want to build a heater then OK. But Im building, I hope, a TPU. In my TPU is iron not wellcome!!

Its time for a new TPU, version - better not to post!!

Otto

PS: dont build such collectors as I tried to describe because Im a PC hero. The point is that I dont have such collectors. You may fail and .....its on you.
I can say for myself that I will have such collectors in a few days. Of course with my controls and then I can say more.



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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #628 on: April 29, 2008, 03:22:04 PM »
@mikestocks2006

Very good work. Try and look at The Tesla Project thread and learn a few of the rudiments of induction/capacitance in the simple circuit posted by @allcanadian. You can add a capacitor to your present circuit and place the reed switch so it will short from the battery positive to between a choke and a transformer or toroid primary. There are so many ways to play around with this set-up. With @ACs circuit, you can pulse the reed in forward and pulse it again when the primary reverses to the source. This should reduce the demand on the battery and still produce an output.

@otto

I would recommend that you not do a build right away. Please give us here another week or so in order that we can gather some more pertinent information on the FTPU. I am worried that you will be building and from our combined total effort here we will make another discovery soon and you may then decide to take apart your build to do it over. Also, concerning how you see these rings and coils, can you make some drawing so we can see if there is any way to observe this in the FTPU. This would guide us in another way to look at the device. The more we look at the FTPU and the more we understand what we are looking at, the more we will discover other facets.

I have done some tests with my first FTPU ring with the bailing wire. The outcome is dead nothing. No activity, no transfer, not even a small blip on the screen so at least by eliminating some variables we can hone in on better approaches. Next I will remove the primary coils of stranded wire and replace it with single mag wire of 16 awg and try it again.

@all

I really wish we could find the toroid manufacturer.

My son is downloading a new video editing software that permits zoom and pan so this will permit me to make some better close up views in motion. VirtualDubMod does not permit the pan feature so we lose the FTPU when we get too close. Always the elusive one. lol

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #629 on: April 30, 2008, 04:51:39 AM »
For those who want to attempt Mikes experiment, see what result you get when inserting the reed inside the toroid itself, rather than wrapping it with a coil....The toroid will have to be small of course.....

 

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