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Offline BEP

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #675 on: May 04, 2008, 02:24:18 AM »
@Wattsup

Before destroying a good core you may want to look into Rogowski coils. At this point I am almost convinced the little toroid on top of the FTPU is exactly that with one variation: center tapped.

Most of the descriptions of the TPU supplied to us fit a Rogowski toroid. If it is, then a TPU is a set of stacked Rogowskis and that little toroid on top is nothing more than a miniature TPU.

In any case I doubt it is a metallic core of any kind.

Cheers!

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #676 on: May 04, 2008, 04:51:03 AM »
Spherics posted this patent.  It explains what the toroid was for, IMHO.  I suggest you read it and try to understand why SM needed this.  The answer is there. 

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19820016542_1982016542.pdf

Cheers,

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #677 on: May 04, 2008, 05:39:28 AM »
@Bruce

At this point I have no doubt the core is not a core at all. It should be only a form and will likely contain a horizontal internal winding. The deposited high permeability micro coated skin would seem a resonable solution to reverse voltage. The pdf makes sense to me, especially when the outside winding is a Rogowski style. This would seem to make it extremely fast (low impedance) one direction and the opposite when flyback should happen.

I've been experimenting with ways to eliminate the flyback without active devices.
It is interesting to say the least. The blasted things glow a weird blue @ 6KHz when the lights are out  ;D Sorry to say, it is still an energy sucker but the wrong way.

Unlike a standard current transformer the Rogowski is a voltage source instead of a current source, like a C.T. Basically meaning it 'should' be a constant voltage source.
I have not proven that idea to myself yet.

They are known for having a verly low voltage output but if you want more voltage you just increase the current going through the middle -or- the speed -or- put a bunch of them on the current carrier and wire them in series -or- rotate the current going through at a higher velocity. Sound like increasing the number of short wires idea?

Their winding design is counter intuitive to most. Tight winds are not good. These are not affected by bi-polar magnetic fields unless the windings are too close. They are made to make use of the unipolar magnetic field around a current carrying conductor.
My thought is they are the same as all other inductive coupling circuits. Reverse action should also work.

JLN has past work on 1 atmosphere glow discharge (my mention of glowing coils above) but I don't think it applies to a correct TPU.

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« Reply #678 on: May 04, 2008, 03:06:56 PM »
@wattsup: Thanks for the heads up on the sharp edges on the cores.

I'm sorry, but I can't see SM winding those toroids. They are out of a product that he had available to him for gutting or he got a hold of them off the shelf. The most he may have done is remove some of the wraps.

There are wedges across the inside diameter of every exposed toroid. Do we assume that the wedges are made of plastic or some other material. I suppose we can give W. C. Magnetics a call on that one.

The toroids are loosely wound, as BEP has mentioned, and appears to me to be wound in a common mode fashion.

Common mode cores are, most likely, going to be made from different materials or material structures/alignments as opposed to 60Hz power transformer cores and different from switching power supply cores. The color of the coatings usually indicate what type of core they are but could vary between manufacturers.

Getting a hold of toroids that SM used would help.

Anyway, here is another common element between the TPU's:

(http://www.phonecotech.com/OverU/LTpuLampWire1.gif)

It appears he is using that 2 conductor molded cable, again, wrapped all the way around the perimeter of the LTPU. Not clear if this is sectioned off in quadrants or not.

Is there a consensus whether this cable he is using is lamp cord or speaker cable? Looks to me like lamp cord.

Anyway, thanks again for the indulgements. Take care.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #679 on: May 04, 2008, 07:28:18 PM »
@Bruce_TPU

I looked over that patent with thanks. It is a great idea for pulsing without using discrete components which has always been my main concern with these TPUs. But the problem is I cannot see SM working away a winding the toroid cores with ultra thin 1-2 micron films. When you consider the smallest particle visible to the human eye is around 40 microns, how could he have made such toroids. Rise times in the patent are also very fast, I doubt the TPUs are using such fast pulsing times. I think the final nail on the coffin is that the toroids in the FTPU and LTPU are identical, so identical that it is doubtful that anyone could manually make these so precise and so identical without it being part of a real industrial assembly line type manufacturing process. This leads me to conclude that the toroids have to be off-the-shelf. It you look at the photo below, you will also see that the center of the toroid is epoxy filled. You may also notice the holes I was talking about.

@BEP

Too late. I have already drilled the core. Just jokin. I will wait and check this again and again before I try anything. Damn it. I could swear there are holes in the toroid.

@slapper and @EM

As you know, I am using VirtualDubMod and at the 400 zoom level, the TPU is barely observable because it is mostly off the screen at that zoom level. I just found on another Forum with a thread that indicates by using the Filter called Null Transform, you can change the standard 0:0 x/y (upper-left) starting coordinates to where you want and this now puts the TPU smack dab on screen center at 400 zoom. lol WOW so you can then do the usual but much closer.

@EM or others

About the @EM capacitor, (coined because @EM was the first to see it), can you find any picture of such a capacitor in real life. Can you see the capacitor in question on the following web page?
http://capacitor.tedss.com/CapacitorTypes/VisualGuide.asp

I need to know what you think it really looks like because I think there is an identical one behind the toroid and need some real perspective on it.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #680 on: May 05, 2008, 01:43:10 AM »
Hi Wattsup,

I do not think that Spherics meant that SM wound that EXACT sat ind switch.  I think he was saying that SM used the toroid as shown, in "much the same way."  To provide two needed items.  1.)  HV pulses 2.) fast rise times.  SM did not have the luxury of the electronics of 2008.  SM said that it took them 10 years to work the circuit from tubes to SS. 

Just something for everyone to chew on.   ;)

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #681 on: May 05, 2008, 02:14:06 AM »
Yeah, I also think that's possible these toroids were used to "shape" the waveforms.  ie.  Improve rise times, etc.  Vacuum tubes have very fast transit times (<2ns) but MOSFETs and transistors do not (25ns-700ns).  Just a thought.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #682 on: May 05, 2008, 04:49:06 AM »
Just a thought here, what if the torrid is just a transformer that is used for an oscillator or just a transformer that is wound with opposing coils?

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #683 on: May 05, 2008, 12:00:31 PM »
 I dont like to break in on your argy-bargy discussion but there are some of my observations during few past years.
 When Mannix(?) published messages from Steven then he (S.M) told that has spent US$10K for Neodymium magnets - not any reaction from your side.
 Although S.M. told about benefits of vacuum tubes ... are you up till today naive to find out some hidden ones from built by S.M. samples?
 Why J.D. mentioned about boyfriend of Steven, is it part of Novel or was it like masturbation?
 Are you sure anybody got even one real message from Steven Mark?
 Lot of questions - hereby was only fews,
 Sorry about my poor English,
 Regards,
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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #684 on: May 05, 2008, 05:42:46 PM »
@Loner,

The large TPU has a piece of COAX in it, check the video out when he cuts it open, it is near the top if I am not mistaken.

Starcruiser, That is along the lines I was thinking.

The Torrid could be used to jack up the voltage and Freq. control and the Saturated
Inductor switch would be in any cable just by placing VERY thin material against
the wire.  Put some tape over that and you  are at exactly what the patent describes.
(Well the patent specs Coax, but even a wire pair would work.)

Just a thought.

Art.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #685 on: May 05, 2008, 05:58:24 PM »
Summary of Important Points From SM's Videos & Letters To Mannix:

1.   Compass will spin up when turned on.
2.   Never tune too closely to the exact frequencies
3.   Make a Kill Switch with Over Voltage & Heat Sensors.
4.   The control units are so very important to control the frequencies.
5.   The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil.
6.   First frequency, then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.
7.   You could describe the useable current output of my coil as DC but with some hash in it.
8.   There are 3 Control Coils (all the way around) each of the 3 Collector.  Start them 1 at a time.
9.   The ?TPU? units heat up to a potentially dangerous temperature after a considerable period of time
10. The Collector is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other.  Other
      control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together.

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There is a wealth of knowledge in almost everyone of my letters.  You seem to be the only one who has the ability to absorb and digest the information the way it is intended.  After rereading my letters to you I became aware that in fact I have already sent you enough information to duplicate my power units.  I have certainly given you more to go on then I had when developing it.


Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on top of the other. But the important thing is to wrap the control coils perpendicularly around the collector coils. There need to be three of them all the way around. Start them up one at a time each. First frequency then second harmonic component into the second, then the third. When you eventually strike the cord look out. you will know what has happened at that point. In the mean time you can measure a slight output even if you do not strike the exact cord.


In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's circumference.  The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the Collector Coil.

On to another point. There is an inertia. With the right combination of frequencies, you can actually create a revolving field with inertial! That is what I have referred to as , The inertia effect.

There is a genuine gyroscopic effect when the units are on. Everybody has noticed that when held and in operation, the units have a definite vibration and have a gyroscopic effect..  They seam to resist being moved through the air. When placed on a smooth surface it is very pronounced. Some of you should think about that.


Electron tube circuits work much more precisely then solid state units. Especially when first experimenting. You will be able to get some excitation with solid state units but we had to design with tubes first and then try to duplicate the functioning system with solid state circuits later. It was difficult. Solid state circuits are very dirty and imprecise.

Solid state devices are too slow to find the three major intersecting you know whats...

About the collector:   It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not interleaved. Three is important. You can do many things with three coils. You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel, or etc. You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control on large power units if need be.

The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils. Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together. Through the different control wire and coil wire arrangements you can keep complete control of the unit most of the time.

However, you must have an emergency KILL switch. A way of cutting off all the control frequencies simultaneity. This kill switch must be, manual and also connected through a heat sensor buried within the collector coil. it should automatically stop the function of the unit before it self destructs on it's own.

This is important for obvious reasons. Also the kill switch should also be connected to cut off whenever it measures over voltage. If that should ever happen, you would never have enough time to hit the kill switch before the inevitable explosion occurred. You know, it is very similar to the idea of a long garden hose. Picture a hose with water in it. If you pick up one end and move along the length of the hose you will move the water constantly along in the direction you are moving. You could also squeeze the hose in the direction to move the water along as well. And you could do both to control the movement of the water more precisely. You can think of the movement of water as the movement of electrons through the collector coils.

I hope the things I share with you give you ideas about how my unit works. As you know, I am a great believer in understanding, not copying.
Sincerely,
SM.

As you know, Large amounts of FEEDBACK is essential to frequency and control when using SS devices for everything in the electronics world, HOWEVER, it is the enemy of generators!  If anyone ever gets one of these things operating, have them measure the electro magnetic and hash radio around the unit....it will blow your mind. so, what does that do to control devices in close proximity?


Most of the most successful units we made had control wiring run or wrapped vertically over the horizontal collector wires. You can see them in the units in some of the videos under black plastic covering. They were run perpendicular to the travel of the collector wires. They were run in multiple segments. each segment could be fed a different frequency individually and or from a collector section to help perpetuate the oscillation and control. The control frequencies are important in order to make power from the collector.

By starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation. It is electron flow of a high order creating a large magnetic field. Or vice versa.

My point to this story is.... WE spent months and months trying in every conceivable way to duplicate a unit. The only thing that kept us going night and day was the fact that we already had one. We knew it was possible to have a working device.. It was the only thing that kept us going on the project. And even then we said I GIVE UP so many times I cant count.

REMEMBER, all of that noise and hash in your solid state amplifier is in the output signal ! Now tell me? What do you think is happening inside the extremely sensitive torrid generator when you use solid state devices to attempt to create the required precise control frequencies to make catalyst and produce power???


BUT, i guarantee you that their SS control devices are all sitting right beside the collector... aren't they? They will probably never start the coil and get to catalyst. I am not saying it is impossible, but it will Damn difficult for these guys to get more then a big bang once in a while. And just like me, that big bang will excite them enough to continue for a while longer. Maybe one of them will read back and see where I said the SS control device must be placed inside the collector coil. then they will explode with, MY GOD, maybe that is the reason why...... and off they will go. in the right direction at least.


I hope things are calmed in your life when you receive this.  I fully understand your feelings of frustration. To work hard to see nothing of a positive is sometimes shattering to one's self.  I know very well... I had a great deal of help and it took us years just to develop a SS control system that would work! And this is after we knew how to make generators!!!

Some of the units in the demo videos did in fact have one or two 9V batteries to provide a separate controllable DC source for the solid state control circuit.

We eventually learned how to make the power converters start with only the flick of a permanent magnet across the coils.  You may find it humorous that we had to find a way to make the things work without any batteries purely because UEC needed us to honestly answer the question:  Does it have any batteries inside of it?  They wanted us to be able to truthfully answer NO, to anyone who asked that question.  You would be surprised how difficult it can be to explained to a lay person how impossible it is to convert a 9V battery into the juice needed to light a single 100 watt 120 volt light bulb, let alone make toast with an electric toaster!!!


The output of the unit is high voltage DC with a frequency component of around 5k Hz.  Think of the output as dc (pulsed) 5 KHz with lots of Hash in it.

The unit had been in steady operation for exactly two hours and fourteen minutes (2hours and 14 min).  The load of 2 amperes amperes at 137-volts did not change through the test period. I can personally state that I do not know of any battery or storage device of this size or weight with this capability.

The time was 12:47 when the inventor removed the large toroid device from operation. It had been in constant operation for three hours and eight minutes (3-hours and 8 minutes).

The ?TPU? units apparently heat up to a potentially dangerous level after a considerable period of time, and must be shut off at that point. This makes some people suspicious of a battery that is being depleted and which must be recharged after a few minutes. However, after having cooled down, the inventor has always managed to start the unit up again and light the lamps again for the same amount of time as before, until the unit heats up again, without removing the device from the observers sight to be ?recharged?.

This can apparently be done any number of times, such as the cumulative ?ON? time can be extended to at least 30 or 40 minutes. This is several times longer then the theoretical limit of any kind of concealed battery pack that I, the battery experts or electrical engineers have yet been able to discover. I have personally seen this demonstration at least fifty times.

By the way, we found that ordinary multi strand lamp cable worked very well for use as a collector.  Thick gage wire can dissipate the heat very well but there are two problems.  First the heavy gage wire isn't as efficient as the multi strand copper and also there is a safety advantage in using the multi strand lamp cable.

If the unit goes too far on frequency it may begin to convert too much current and try to dissipate way too much voltage.  The multi strand wire will just burn up and open the circuit whereas the heavy gage wire will continue to conduct until there will be the equivalent of a lightning strike of the unit.  That of course ends the operation of the unit but can also prove to be rather dramatic and also somewhat dangerous if you are in close proximity to the power unit.


The coils get hot. THis problem has not been resolved. It apparently due to the windings moving.  The destructive heating caused by the eddy currents become the problem we face when we make a really large powerful coil. Now you understand more about the heating problem and why using a fan does not work.  The time was 11:20 AM when the inventor removed the small toroid unit from operation because of heat build up. I examined the small toroid unit and it was indeed quite hot to the touch.

Strangely, using the left hand rule for magnetism, this toroid is an aberration.  Because when one thinks of the current beginning the flow through a load, the magnetic flux this winding creates is ADDITIVE to the pulsing magnetic flux created by the coils.

When it is unloaded the voltage climbs substantially and I do not mean a spike. it lasts for several seconds and is a good third higher. Steven calls it the turbine effect..


YES NORBERT, WE DID TRY THEM SOUTH OF THE EQUATER,   THEY WORK IN REVERSE. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY?


Outside Diameter:   6"
Inside Diameter:   5"
Height:   1 - 3/4"
Weight:   12 ounces
Output Power:   250 Watts
Output Voltage:   160 Volts
Voltage Frequency:   5000 Hz.
Duration of Performance: 30 Minutes


Univ Prof = The first unit was roughly shaped like a large donut. It measured approximately 4.72? across with an inside diameter hole of 3? making a core width approximately 1? thick.  The unit was exactly 2? tall, resembling a toroid. I did not measure the weight however the unit was extremely light when held in the hand.  

Univ Prof = Mr. Mark connected the unit directly to a 100 watt 120 volt incandescent light bulb and caused the unit to operate. It did in fact illuminate the incandescent bulb quite brightly. I measured the
voltage at 137 volts D.C. exactly, (ObS). See note*

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Univ Prof = The second unit was again toroid shaped with a large hole in the center. It was approximately 15? at the outside and 13? inside with a core thickness of approximately 1?.  The unit was 4? tall. The unit was not measured in weight but could be easily lifted with one hand, (ObS).

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Univ Prof = I asked the inventor if this was the limit of the unit and he replied, ?no way.? He provided a quick blow fuse rated at 50 amperes.

Univ Prof = With two large electrical clamps and wiring, he shorted the fuse across the output terminals of the toroid and destroyed the fuse, (ObS). There was only a slight flickering of the ten incandescent bulbs as observed although there was a tremendous discharge of sparks from the output terminals of the toroid unit.

Univ Prof = The inventor then gave me the fuse for examination. It was warm to the touch and smelled acrid, (ObS). It was a large 240 volt AC air conditioner disconnect fuse and designed for severe service duty, (OsS).

Univ Prof = The inventor?s claim that the large toroid output terminals were at lethal potential was no longer in question. The time was 11:20 AM when the inventor removed the small toroid unit from operation because of heat build up. I examined the small toroid unit and it was indeed quite hot to the touch.

I had only this to go on when I started and little by little I figured out how to make many several thousands of kicks per second. . .  AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IT ISN"T DIFICULT AT ALL.  No, I take that statement back.  Actually it is difficult if you refuse to start thinking.  Some of the information I have given to you is golden.  I have certainly given you enough information to move in the right direction.  I will continue to give you more information but I am so disappointed with the complete lack of ability I see in most everyone so far.

============================================

12 Ounce Open Unit in the 38 Min Film.

OD = 6 inches.
Height = 2 inches.
Thickness = 1 inch.
Output = 186V @ 5 Amps.  7 Amps with a Heat Sink.

============================================
Small 1 Pounder, Open Coil.  Took Magnet from his pocket.

OD = 4 inches.
Height = 1 3/4 inches.
Output = 100V @ 1 Amp.  7.3 Hz & 5 KHz.
=================================
Small Open Coil, 1 1/2  Pounder:

OD = 6 inches.
Height = 2 inches.
Thickness = 3/4 inches.
Output = 120V @ 5 Amps.  7.3 Hz & 5 KHz.
=================================
Large 17" Open Coil.

OD = 17 inches.
Height = 4 inches.
Thickness =
Output = 830V @ 10 Amps.

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« Reply #686 on: May 05, 2008, 06:29:21 PM »
nice summary, good work guys,  wattsup, I'll look for your capacitor later.  Nice gif file, motion tells a lot !!!
EM

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #687 on: May 05, 2008, 08:49:16 PM »
Summary of Important Points From SM's Videos & Letters To Mannix:

1.   Compass will spin up when turned on.
2.   Never tune too closely to the exact frequencies
3.   Make a Kill Switch with Over Voltage & Heat Sensors.
4.   The control units are so very important to control the frequencies.
5.   The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil.
6.   First frequency, then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.
7.   You could describe the useable current output of my coil as DC but with some hash in it.
8.   There are 3 Control Coils (all the way around) each of the 3 Collector.  Start them 1 at a time.
9.   The ?TPU? units heat up to a potentially dangerous temperature after a considerable period of time
10. The Collector is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other.  Other
      control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together.


Has anyone independently verified that it was in fact Steven Mark himself that wrote the information?  A voice sample, picture,.. anything? I have not seen conclusive identification of the letter's author.

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« Reply #688 on: May 05, 2008, 11:55:08 PM »
Jack Durban:
 â€œI met Steven in 1996 when my company was hired by Mercury Marilla, Steven's boyfriend at the time, to replicate the device's capabilities by any means possible. At First I thought he was trying to find out if there was another quick way to produce the same result with an alternative approach, but I later realized he was likely looking for a second design that he could pawn off on investors so he could retain the original design" ...
Perhaps because my poor English but all what sed J.D. - it looks like S.M. is not alive anymore (New informations by Dave Doleshal
? on: April 16, 2008, 12:02:58 PM ? http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4501.0 )
This is first question for me - S.M. alive or not?
Mannix posted it in 2006 but about what years of ? Present tense, 21 century? SM alive?
Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
? Reply #47 on: February 07, 2006, 06:32:18 AM ?
..._10    We have done a great deal of experimentation with permanent magnets with some very astounding results.
I could stop now and start over again with that subject alone. Has anyone ever read any of the reports about our experiments with what was called, the Magnetic shadow casting material? No it wasn't some kind of paint. But you would be fascinated with the amount of renewable energy you can extract from a permanent magnet! We went through about ten thousand dollars worth of Neodymium and Super Cobalt 404 magnetic material in our experiments. I could write volumes of information about that stuff. Those experiments tie in to our development of the power unit._...

Second question - perhaps toroid shape (somewhere was "like cork" ...) is molded from magnetic materials? 

K.Habe


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