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Title: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Jdo300 on April 14, 2008, 08:40:29 AM
Hello All,

Here is the promised thread with information on the video. Below I have posted a couple of comparison screenshots so you can all see how great the quality is compared to the videos available online now. I also have included instructions for downloading the torrent (and installing torrent software if you don't have any).

Brief Description of the video contents

As far as footage is concerned, all the video is the same as what is available online now, with the exception of the greater image quality. There are three video clips from the available TPU videos online that are included in the footage. The first part of the video contains the first 16 minutes of the UEC video that was posted: (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=167210479374903373).

The second clip is of the first open TPU that Steven pulls from the plastic case (same as this video here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8435800732540412467)

The third clip shows the two demonstrations of Steven's larger Open TPU, the first of which is shown in the following clip: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=333661567309752927

The second part is also floating around online somewhere but I can't seem to find it at the moment.

Video Tech Specs

Format: Raw DVD (.VOB)
Size: 3.4GB
Run Time: 1 hr 14 mins 37 secs
Resolution: 720 x 480
Frame Rate: 29.97 fps
Audio: 256 Kbits Dolby Audio

Screenshots for Quality Comparison

(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4486.0;attach=22415;image)
Open TPU 1 (Low Quality)

(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4486.0;attach=22416;image)
Open TPU 1 (High Quality)

(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4486.0;attach=22417;image)
Open TPU 2 (Low Quality)

(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4486.0;attach=22418;image)
Open TPU 2 (High Quality)

Instructions for BitTorrent Download

I am presently the only one seeding the torrent for the Video file. I simply took the contents of the DVD and put them into a single zip file. I may also make a .ISO file available for download later but I'm doing the zip file first because it dropped the file size from 4.1GB down to 3.4GB.

***IMPORTANT***     ***IMPORTANT***      ***IMPORTANT***      ***IMPORTANT***

For those of you who are familiar with torrents, you know that the download speed is determined by the number of people seeding the torrent. Currently I am the only one who has the full copy of the file and and with a limited upload speed of only 57KB/s upstream, having other people help to seed the torrent after completing the download will significantly increase the download rate for others. So I'm asking that after you download the file, please leave your torrent client running for at least a day to allow others to enjoy the faster transfer speeds.

Before making this post, I setup the torrent and there are currently nine people online who are in the swarm; so the speed should be pretty decent by the time everyone else jumps on board.

Here is the link to download the torrent file: http://tpu.thruhere.net:6969/

For those who don't have a BitTorrent client installed, I recommend using Azureus (www.azureus.com). Below I've included some quick instructions on how to set it up if you don't have it already.

Setup Instructions
Download and install the Azureus client from the above link
Download the torrent file from the link I mentioned above and save it somewhere where you can get to it easily.
After opening the program, the first thing you want to do is make sure that you can connect to the torrent network. Goto the Tools menu and select "NAT /  Firewall Test"
Select the test button and see if the program returns with "OK!" in the results box
If you get an error, chances are that you are being blocked by a firewall. In this case you will need to open up a port on your router and/or firewall software to allow the program to access the internet through an open port. Check out this link here for more information on forwarding ports: http://azureuswiki.com/index.php/Port_forwarding
Once the network issues are resolved, goto the File menu, select Advanced, and click on the "My Torrents" command. The screen will change and you will see two windows on the screen. The top list shows torrents that you are downloading and the bottom list shows torrents that you are seeding (sharing with others)
If there are any torrents downloading or uploading (there will probably be one for some media player thing the program tries to download) then just stop and delete it by right-clicking on the torrent in the list, and selecting "Remove and" and "Delete Both" commands in the shortcut menu,
Now to start downloading the TPU video, goto File, select Open, and "Torrent File."
In the dialog box that appears, select the folder that you want the video to be saved in by clicking the Browse button next to the "Location to save data" textbox.
Now click the "Add Files" button at the top of the dialog and browse for the torrent file that you downloaded from the link I posted above. Once selected, it will appear in the list at the top of the dialog. Select the OK button and the torrent should start downloading.
To check on the statistics and see how many other people are downloading, simply double-click on the torrent in the main window and a tab with more information will appear.

And thats it!

Final Remarks

I plan on seeding this torrent for the next three or four days depending on how many people get on to download it. But afterwards, I'll continue to upload the files to the MediaShare folder that I made (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=bcb5de0bd0f181ea8c9e7c56ba37815f5a52c02ec6da2cd7) but it will take a while for me to get all the file pieces up. So if you can download the video from the torrent while it's running now, that would be the best solution, especially if everyone gets on it all at once.

And again, please leave your client running for a day or so after downloading so that it will be available to others!

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: zapnic on April 14, 2008, 09:10:27 AM
thanks man again

and utorrent is better ;D

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Jdo300 on April 14, 2008, 09:25:28 AM
thanks man again

and utorrent is better ;D

Haha I'll have to look into that one. Looks like there are more people using it  :)

Just letting you all know that I'm off to bed for the night here and will check the torrent in the morning. I am hosting both the file and the torrent tracker from my system so if the connection gets interrupted overnight it will kill the network for everyone. In the event that this happens, just leave it running and I'll get it restarted again when I get up.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 14, 2008, 09:39:14 AM
The video as shipped was bumped from a hi-8 to a hi-8 to DVD. I would have liked to have sent it prior but I was hoping to be able to have my hi-8 deck repaired so I could create a better copy. Ironically the deck, a Sony EV-C100, was Steven's prior to it becoming mine. As to the reason why there's several scene repeats with rewinds I was trying to assure that I didn't miss any valuable scenes due to dropouts or other anomalies.

Since this is my first post here I would like to clarify a few things. Regardless of what you may think of me or my motives I would like to say that I would have been much more accommodating in getting this recording out if it weren't for a few people in this forum attacking my character again and again. I did reach a point where I wondered why I would ever want to help a group so littered with paranoid  malcontents. Then over time after communicating directly with "Wattsup" and a few other quality members from this forum I realized that I was wrong. As in any group you have a microcosm of society. With that said I would like to help this cause in any way I can. I do have a well equipped lab for doing analog and R.F. work.

All the best,

Jack Durban
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: templar00 on April 14, 2008, 09:43:06 AM
im pullin it down now will re encode to a avi should drop the file to about 600ish without to much of a quality loss.




Templar,
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 14, 2008, 09:49:47 AM
If you really want the best quality use DIVX. The Codec works with Adobe Premiere and as a standalone converter for just $30.00.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Jdo300 on April 14, 2008, 09:54:05 AM
Hi Jack,

Thanks for joining us here on the forum! These high-quality video clips will be very valuable to us as we can glean loads of fine details about the devices from analyzing and clarifying the sound and images.

One thing I believe we will need help with is identifying some of the pieces and parts that we see in the two open TPU video clips. I have noticed a lot of new things that I couldn't see previously thanks to the higher resolution but will go into details later as I am about to pass out on my keyboard  :P.

Have you had the opportunity to see/handle either of the open TPUs in person?

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: zapnic on April 14, 2008, 10:08:05 AM
thanks jack
 :D :D :D

you are THE MAN

kiitos
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 14, 2008, 10:08:11 AM
I was able to play with the larger unit but not the smaller ones. You will notice that the latter small unit has a speaker connector as the output. That may or not be visually apparent. I truly believe that the smaller two units reveal much more information than the big unit. They really show the scalability of the technology and they are much more revealing visually. There is just no room for much more than the coils and the interface and I am almost 100% certain there were no integrated circuits involved at all. My belief is that the primary was a resonant tuned receiver and the secondary was somewhat conventional.

Good luck!
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 14, 2008, 10:57:17 AM
Jack, welcome to the forum, and thanks a lot for the video!!! 
Any recollections you might have of the devices, materials, etc will help greatly.    Like Jason said, we should identify as many of the parts as possible, and your help can be invaluable.

One curiosity I have is , what are the two rings made of?   (seen in the open TPU,  the one with the speaker connector) Are they iron rings?  plastic?

Jason,   what program did you use to zip up the files?  I'm running Microsoft XP and when I click on the first TPU DVD.zip file it says it's corrupted.   (I did download all the z01,z02....z19 parts)

Finally, I just want to express my joy once again.  I thought we might never get a better copy of this first TPU, and all the holding back by LM was just unbearable.   Guys, if we are ever going to find the secret we need to work together and share whatever info we have.  We will have arguments and we will have mockers that drop in to see our efforts, but we will succeed despite it all !!!

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Turz on April 14, 2008, 11:54:25 AM
Hi EM you may use winrar
you can download from this site:

http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm

turz
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: MeggerMan on April 14, 2008, 02:06:21 PM
@Jack,
Many thanks for taking the time to create and send the DVD to Jason.

Would it be possible to get further clips from the original?
Jason mentioned that there were a few portions that were fast forwarded through that would be useful.

@All
I was discussing with Jason as to how the TPU may work:
This has probably been said a few times before in one form or another..... one idea was that the train of pulses feed into the three or four control coils causes a localised spin of a magnetic field in the form of a vortex or doughnut.  This magnetic spin then induces current in the collector coil, but because the spin speed is very fast, say 250,000 RPM then the field can be very weak yet still provide a large current/voltage in the collector coil. The coils are not actually moving a rotor so there should be no noticable resistance when a load is applied to the collector. This slowly building vortex idea fits in with clip where SM turns one of the cores over and the voltage dips then rises again. (I have not seen this clip but Jason mentioned it).
So perhaps what we are seeing is the coriolis effect with the ether and the pulsing of the control coils is the pulling of the plug out of the bath.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect

Its possible the heating effect is the eddy currents occuring in the thicker copper coils and this could be combated with multi-strand wire.
It should be possible to fit all the electronics to pulse the coils onto a postage stamp sized board once we know how it works. ;)

Regards
Rob

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 14, 2008, 02:24:39 PM
Thanks Jack for all.

I (and others) warned the troops a couple times regarding exactly what you said about getting bashed about, and I was surprised it even happened, but glad you decided that we aren't that bad after-all. I hope they've all learned something.

I, like EM am curious about the two black rings on the unit with the speaker connector. Any idea what material they are, and maybe what they were taken from?

Also, there's the first small unit that looks like a wire spool or something, what is the basic construction of that device?

Thanks again. From JDO's pics, it looks to be the same quality video that LM has  ;D
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: templar00 on April 14, 2008, 02:48:30 PM
If you really want the best quality use DIVX. The Codec works with Adobe Premiere and as a standalone converter for just $30.00.

avi is the file extension for divx, xvid and a few others. I like vlc to do encoding.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 14, 2008, 02:56:48 PM
@JD

Thanks for your great help, effort and patience with us in our continued SM saga. You have too admit that most of the guys here are made of the metal and will not give up and thanks to better quality videos, this WILL now help us even more. I guess I will not need your DVD after all, with thanks.

Just from the short video you put up on YouTube, you can now clearly see the only visible SM circuit board on the OTPU (looks like a transistor radio circuit - lol) , plus I can see a horizontal wire on the Coil No. 3 that I had imagined would have to be there. This is great.

@all

I also downloaded the z01 to z19 and the zip file. Used Winrar to then create the master VTS_01_1.VOB file. Now the thing is to find the right player for this. WMP is opening it but nothing is happening.

So as Jack suggested, I downloaded the free DIVX from here http://www.divx.com/divx/windows/

Even with DIVX, nothing so I used the DIVX converter but get an error about a missing AC3 Filter which I downloaded here http://ac3filter.net/project/1/releases. Go down a bit and click on the AC3Filter 1.46 Installer that will take you to a mirror site. If download does not start, there is a link for direct download. Save the file to your hard drive then execute it.

I am now converting the *.VOB file but it is slow. Should take 1 hour but before converting, the program said the final file would be about 260mb which is not bad at all. Will advise when it is done.

OH I FORGOT to thank Jason also for his great help in setting up the download site. Thanks Jason.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: templar00 on April 14, 2008, 03:44:03 PM
to play the vob you should need just the standard dvd player. compressing that to 260 will drastically cut your IQ.

http://www.download.com/Windows-Essentials-Media-Codec-Pack/3000-2140_4-10662709.html?tag=lst-6

this codex pack should give you everything you need to play about anything.

http://www.doom9.org/

this site will tell ya about everything you need to know about video encoding decoding. Hit the download like for the goods.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: ramset on April 14, 2008, 04:13:22 PM
GENTLEMAN perhaps you could run this thread like the Stiffler  thread [ difficult but possible] ?    Chet
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 14, 2008, 04:22:59 PM
OK, I finished converting the VOB to divx format and the file is now only 138 MB. It runs perfectly with DIVx and my SnagIt image grabber is available when the imagine windows is full.

I also downloaded as per @templar00 first link above for more codecs and installed them. The VOB now plays on Windows Media Classic player. Thanks.

So I opened the video in both players to compare image quality and they seem to be the same. Both have the same default image window size and clarity. Wow, this is great.

Just to repeat Jasons regular download site is here;
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=bcb5de0bd0f181ea8c9e7c56ba37815f5a52c02ec6da2cd7

Now to download Part 2
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Jdo300 on April 14, 2008, 04:40:23 PM
Hi Everyone,

So far, looks like things are humming along nicely with the torrent (there are currently 39 people connected and downloading).

About the video parts on the MediaShare site. You may start downloading the part 2 files but There are actually 12 of those and I only have 10 uploaded so far. Since I am hosting the torrent on my system right now, I can't get the other two files up but I'll see if I can goto another computer with a faster connection and upload the other two pieces for part 2.

I used WinZip to split the zip file into pieces, so for best results, that would be the best thing to use, though I'm hearing that some were able to get it to work with WinRAR as well.

To view the file, I tried using VLC media plater, DIVX player, and Windows Media Player (Version 11). VLC and DIVX both loaded the file but it didn't seem to want to play correctly (it would speed up and slow down and stop). But playing it in Windows Media Player 11 worked great for me.

Also note that after everyone has the files, we could actually chop it down significantly without even converting into another format because there are significant amounts of dead space between, and after the clips. But Jack and I both left it in the raw form so you all can have what we have.

If I have a chance to upload the other two pieces to the MediaShare folder, I'll let you all know when it is there.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sterlinga on April 14, 2008, 06:25:18 PM
I've posted at feature page at http://peswiki.com/index.php/Videos:Jack_Durban:Steven_Marks_TPU  (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Videos:Jack_Durban:Steven_Marks_TPU)  

This will enable us to post one one page a directory of videos available from Jack Durban regarding Steven Mark's Toroid Power Unit (TPU), a solid state energy generation device that had it's zenith more than a decade ago, and which never materialized into the market. Several groups are seeking to replicate/resurrect the technology. The realize of the original video footage by Jack Durban in April, 2008, marks a major development in the process.

Feel free to add links as you know of them.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: gn0stik on April 14, 2008, 06:49:34 PM
downloading, will seed indefinitely from my work computer.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 14, 2008, 07:28:03 PM
Hi Guys  :)

Thanks for all the hard work.

The picture Jason posted above shows that the coil on top of the smallest device is exactly the same as the two coils on the black box in the middle of the biggest tpu.

M.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 14, 2008, 08:04:27 PM
Hi Jack,
you are very welcome over here.
Many thanks for making this available.

The video as shipped was bumped from a hi-8 to a hi-8 to DVD. I would have liked to have sent it prior but I was hoping to be able to have my hi-8 deck repaired so I could create a better copy. Ironically the deck, a Sony EV-C100, was Steven's prior to it becoming mine. As to the reason why there's several scene repeats with rewinds I was trying to assure that I didn't miss any valuable scenes due to dropouts or other anomalies.



So is this now a Hi-8 to Hi-8 dub copy
and then you copied the second Hi-8 to a DVD recorder ?
So it was not possible to copy directly the Master Hi-8 to the DVD -Recorder ?
Do I understand this correctly ?

Maybe if we have special questions could you later maybe copy
directly from the Hi-8 Master tape again special scenes again to
DVD format, so we could have a first generation copy as MPEG-2 format ?
( only if it is really needed..)

Now did anybody already convert the MPEG-2 to DIVX AVI and post it somewhere  ?

Many thanks again to all who made this available.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 14, 2008, 08:22:24 PM
hey why are we talking about compressing the thing again?? ???
just leave it as it is.
first we got bad quality video's , then we get a real good one and we are talking about compressing it again.

makes no sense.

The only thing i want to convert it to is a couple of thousant JPEG or PNG files so we can watch each frame like a picture for the details.

M.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: gn0stik on April 14, 2008, 08:41:23 PM
It's not compression so to speak marco, converting to divx just allows for superior quality while saving space, as the codec is much more efficient at storing digital video data than other codecs.

Rich
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: gn0stik on April 14, 2008, 08:52:04 PM
thanks man again

and utorrent is better ;D



utorrent doesn't exist anymore. It was absorbed by bit torrent proper. The new Bit Torrent IS utorrent now. www.bittorrent.com.

Rich
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Jdo300 on April 14, 2008, 09:01:53 PM
Hi Marco,

Great Observation! I've been doing some research on those little white toroidal coils and, just as Spherics alluded to by the patent he posted, these cores are actually Saturable Reactor Switches. I found that these are used in the industry as a high-power, high voltage replacement for SS devices.

So lets say that you want to make a short, fast, really high voltage pulse? You pulse one of these cores, which saturates immediately at a given current value; suddenly after that, the inductance of the core drops to almost nothing which causes a large current surge and resulting spike on the output, just like if you were reverse biasing a diode until it broke down!

Here is an interesting paper that discusses exactly how it works. The information about the saturable core switches is on page 6  :)

http://www.physiqueindustrie.com/Publi/solid_state_pulsed_power.pdf

Now I'm just trying to see if I can find a source for these little cores.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Jdo300 on April 14, 2008, 09:08:41 PM
FYI, the last two pieces of the Part 2 zip file have now been added to the MediaFire folder. you should be able to rejoin and view it after downloading them

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=bcb5de0bd0f181ea8c9e7c56ba37815f5a52c02ec6da2cd7

I'll try to start uploading the part 3 pieces soon.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 14, 2008, 09:12:12 PM
Hi Jason

These cores are used in about every power supply in the form of noise filters and as little magnetic amplifiers.
They are also used in crossover filters in speaker systems where they only pass the signals in the low frequency range so the woofers doesnt get signals above certain frequencies it cannot respond to , but these are mostly vertical wound coils so they do differ somewhat but the principle is the same >getting rid of high frequency peaks.

I have used them in my tube rectifier as to cancel out/short cut the high order harmonics.
It's about the same thing.


M.



Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 14, 2008, 09:41:01 PM
you can always DC bias the cores to get them closer to saturation.

another observation from the videos:

in the spool TPU,  we now can see the two wire loops with another smaller wire wound around them, like a helix.   This appears to be the same bundle of wires seen in the large tpu, connecting the two toroids in the center to the main toroid body.

It's that "squizing the hose" that SM mentioned.

All these variations in the TPU topologies can be frustrating, but actually they can help us understand the principle of operation, they are like extra "xy-points" that we can "curvefit"

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 14, 2008, 10:21:09 PM

Good job by all involved - a fine example of cooperation and teamwork.

I have been interested in the operation of this device and its potential for a number of years...due to my lack of formal backgrounding, I try to stay out of the way in technical discussions, and will continue watching and learning until I have something helpful to contribute.


@ Jack...much thanks to you for helping the cause.

Did you get a chance to examine the switch box that the TPU was wired to ?

I am concerned that the depth of the average box together with extra wide box used in the demonstration would provide space for the batteries some speculated were hidden inside the unit.

Anyone familiar with electrical installation can see in the above pics, that much narrower switch boxes are normally used to house common wall sockets.   

It appears there is something besides the plug socket in the switch box...could it have been an DC to AC converter ?

Regards...

 

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 14, 2008, 11:06:15 PM
I like many others, at one time believed this was possibly fake and used batteries, but it is NOT SO.

Just read once again the report from Dr. Schinzinger:   What does that tell you about it's output resistance  (internal source resistance)?  It tells me it is very small, less than one ohm, since the current goes from one amp to two amps and the voltage practically stays the same  (137 Volts) so it's within the round off error on the ampmeter display.  Note, the output is DC, makes you think doesn't it?

Also note that he shorted the large tpu across a 50 amp fuse, with only a small flicker on the connected lightbulbs.   What does that tell you?  This tells me this thing has freeking lots of power potential with a VERY LOW INTERNAL RESISTANCE.  If you will, it's the same for a simple coil of wire, THE COLLECTOR, that SM has been refering to, and a moving magnetic field that induces "electron flow of high order".

No friends, this is not a battery , but it's what SM said to us in his letters, read them carefully, they're packed with info, and the descerning mind will draw valuable info from them.


Here's the report once again:

Roland Schinzinger, PhD.
29 Gilman St. Irvine, CA 92715-2703, Phone & FAX: (714) 786-7691

Second report on Energy Device
 
At the request of Steven Mark I agreed to thoroughly test his invention of an energy device “toroid” at my laboratory at the UCI campus.
With me was John Sanchez who will act as an observer and Mr. Mark who will operate his device for the tests.
 
The device is reported to develop measurable amounts of electric power beyond any known battery or storage device. In fact the inventor claims that his device will create electric power indefinitely as long as it is permitted to cool at intervals.
 
Mr. Mark arrived promptly at 8:30 AM and wasted no time in permitting my examination of two units.
The first unit was roughly shaped like a large donut. It measured approximately 4.72” across with an inside diameter hole of 3” making a core width approximately 1” thick
The unit was exactly 2” tall, resembling a “Toroid”. I did not measure the weight however the unit was extremely light when held in the hand.
 
Mr. Mark connected the unit directly to a 100 watt 120 volt incandescent light bulb and caused the unit to operate. It did in fact illuminate the incandescent bulb quite brightly. I measured the voltage at 137 volts D.C. exactly, (ObS). See note*
I then measured the current flowing through the wires to the bulb at a steady one-ampere, (ObS).
We noted the time at 9:06 AM.,(ObS).
We next measured the light output from the bulb with a luminescence meter and noted that it read2.5, (ObS). Next we measured a similar incandescent bulb placed in a socket powered from the main 120 volt (as measured) AC power provided to the laboratory. It measured 2.4 on the luminescence meter. This can probably be accounted for because the voltage as measured from the Toroid device is 137 volts and therefore 12 volts greater, generating a slight increase in light output over the incandescent light powered by the laboratory main power supply system.
The toroid device did indeed provide the standard voltage and current necessary to provide electric lighting for a 120-volt circuit.
The inventor then asked us for another bulb, which we provided him and he set about connecting the second bulb along with the first.
The second bulb was connected in parallel to the first and did indeed light just as brightly as the first.
I measured 137 volts now across the output just as before although the load had doubled and the impedance halved (ObS).
I measured the current flowing to the two bulbs at just less then 2-amperes, (ObS).
The inventor stated that the unit would provide the two amperes at 137 volts for several hours, if not indefinitely. We were cautioned that the unit while in operation would generate heat leading to self-destruction if not shut down and permitted to cool. He claimed that after cooling the unit could be restarted and used again over and over.
We permitted the first unit to remain in operation and provide power for the two incandescent bulbs while we turned our attention to the second larger unit the inventor brought with him for testing.
 
The second unit was again toroid shaped with a large hole in the center. It was approximately 15” at the outside and 13 “ inside with a core thickness of approximately 1”.  The unit was 4” tall. The unit was not measured in weight but could be easily lifted with one hand, (ObS).
 
The inventor started the second larger unit in operation and cautioned myself and Mr. Sanchez not to touch the output leads from the device as they were at lethal potential. The time was 9:39 AM.
The inventor measured the output leads and told us there was 600 volts potential at several amperes.
He connected the unit to five 120 volt 100 watt incandescent light bulbs as provided by myself. The larger second unit did indeed brightly light the five incandescent bulbs brightly. These bulbs were wired in series.
I measured the current through the wire connected to the 5-bulbs at 1.1 ampere, (ObS). I measured the voltage at 614 volts D.C., (ObS).
 
The inventor then connected another five 120 volt light bulbs along with the first five making a total of ten 120 volt, 100 watt incandescent light bulbs lighting at equal intensity.
I measured the light output with a luminescence meter at 2.43 each light bulb, (ObS). I did not measure the current but calculated it to be 2 amperes at 614 volts.
I asked the inventor if this was the limit of the unit and he replied, “by no way.”
He provided a quick blow fuse rated at 50 amperes.
With two large electrical clamps and wiring, he shorted the fuse across the output terminals of the toroid and destroyed the fuse, (ObS). There was only a slight flickering of the ten incandescent bulbs as observed although there was a tremendous discharge of sparks from the output terminals of the toroid unit.
The inventor then gave me the fuse for examination. It was warm to the touch and smelled acrid, (ObS). It was a large 240 volt AC air conditioner disconnect fuse and designed for severe service duty, (OsS).
The inventorÂ’s claim that the large toroid output terminals were at lethal potential was no longer in question.
 
The time was 11:20 AM when the inventor removed the small toroid unit from operation because of heat build up.
I examined the small toroid unit and it was indeed quite hot to the touch.
 
The unit had been in steady operation for exactly two hours and fourteen minutes.  Noted: 2-hours and 14 minutes, (ObS).
 
The load of 2- amperes at 137-volts did not change through the test period.
 
I can personally state that I do not know of any battery or storage device of this size or weight with this capability.
 

The time was 12:47 when the inventor removed the large toroid device from operation.
It had been in constant operation for three hours and eight minutes.
Noted: 3-hours and 8 minutes, (ObS).
 
The load of 10-amperes and the voltage of 614 volts did not change throughout the test with the exception that the voltage did began to fluctuate at 12:03 and began a slight decline to 598 volts by the end of the test. This could be due to heating of the unit while in operation.
 
I can personally state that I do not know of any battery or storage device of this size or weight with this capability.
 
I cannot determine how many hours the toriod units could potentially operate because of our limited time available for testing.
I can however state with relative certainty I believe the tests show great potential for this Toroid technology.
 
 
 
December 12, 1995                                                      Roland Schinzinger
 
*note:  (ObS)  “also observed by John Sanchez”.

P.S.  I drew this collector diagram to illustrate the output circuitry of the TPU based on these clues.  Yes there are dual stacks as seen in the spool TPU, and control coils as well, but this is just about the collector coil as SM called it.  With this model we will have some "hash" as SM said, but it's mainly DC, just like he said in the videos.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 14, 2008, 11:13:29 PM
Jack ,
can you give us a few more names, who were involved in all
of this at this time you were around this ?

Who are the other persons in all the videos ?

Maybe if we can reach them and ask them also questions
we will still get more informations by some other persons
who might have played still more with the devices than you yourself.

Many thanks.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 15, 2008, 01:02:54 AM
Regarding the other players surrounding the technology... There were no other people around outside of those mentioned. Most all of the inner circle were investors, Steven's attorney, and periodic visits from Spheric management. No one had unsupervised time with the devices including myself.

The video by the way, is a direct cut from the hi-8 master. I just dubbed the DVD I made years ago as a backup in case someone broke in and found it.

Getting back to prior statements...When I look at the output chokes and large polycarb caps I can't help but think that these are used as a means of isolating the load from the output. This theory would prove true if one were to discover that the output was feeding the choke/cap pairs in series. I cannot fathom why these would act as hash filters since the output is H.F. to begin with. In other words I only use chokes like these to mitigate noise in exotic power supply designs utilizing switching type regulators. The TPU is already producing H.F. so why filter it? The only argument I can see in opposition would be the I.R. drop across the chokes causing moderate to high localized heating. A slight discoloration of the choke windings would occur during operation perhaps even localized visible heat vapor. Another hint to consider is the capacitor chemistry selection. Why such an exotic cap? The polycarbonate capacitor exhibits very low ESR providing the purest or most ideal filtering characteristics especially in an application using higher voltages.

Do remember that Steven could not run inductive loads for quite a while. The youtube video that shows Steven running inductive loads was indicative of his finding a fix for the problem. The video quality however is so bad that it is very difficult to spot and obvious hardware mods made to the device.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 15, 2008, 01:19:22 AM
I just read references to the output being R.F. I disagree. I believe the output was around 6khz as Steven stated. I have designed a lot of transceivers and R.F. just doesn't fit this form factor at all. R.F. is grossly inefficient under ideal conditions. Seeing how imprecisely wound the coils were I find it difficult to see R.F. at play here. I would be more open to considering that the quadrature orientation of the coils may act in some way like a phase locked loop. In other words consider that during startup an unlocked frequency or carrier if you will wonders around a bit then reaches a frequency that causes the secondary to resonate at some fundamental or harmonic frequency likely a multiple of the Schumann Cavity.

This may sound like a long shot but the more I ponder all the possibilities I keep coming back to a tuned resonant tank within a secondary tank.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 15, 2008, 01:31:08 AM
Hi Jack,

I believe you will find the information provided by Steven Mark to be quite usefull.   Check out the "The Master of Magnetics Steven Mark" thread up top in the locked threads section, there's also a pdf file Marco composed here (user Turbo, at the time):  http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2383.msg31887.html#msg31887 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2383.msg31887.html#msg31887)

Here's an excerpt from one of his letters to us:

Think of the power unit as a device similar to a radio receiver. No I do not want to hear feed back informing me that I am trying to convince the world my unit works on radio waves!!!.
But it behaves very much like a simple radio receiver except for the fact that radio waves need to be amplified before they can be of any use to us.
My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and we are tuning them to a frequency just like a radio. The closer you get to the center frequency the more power you permit the collector to dissipate into a load.the important difference here is that in the case of the radio, you tune into the frequency and amplify it for use. In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's circumference. The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil. You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain.  It is important that you note that you can never tune too closely to the exact frequencies of power conversion because the power received by the collector will instantly destroy it. We instead must deliberately tune off the frequencies of conversion in order to make the thing properly work. Remember that it is like a furnace which feeds itself. The hotter it gets the more fuel it gives itself to burn. that is why the control units are so very important. Without the control unit constantly monitoring the frequencies of operation and making the necessary changes to keep the whole thing off exact conversion frequency, then the unit would very quickly destroy it's self.
 
By the way, have you seen the video of the compass turning violently in the center of the unit while in operation? Notice that when I first turn the unit on that the compass starts to spin very slowly. it speeds up faster and faster until it just stops. When it stops the unit is always operating at about it's design maximum. We never found out why any of this occurred. It tended to reinforce what I observed as the turbine effect. When the unit is shut off the compass starts to revolve again and slowly comes to a rest.

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 15, 2008, 01:56:39 AM
sorry for the dumb question:

what is the difference, if any, between the torrent file that jdo is hosting and the files uploaded at MediaFire? isn't everything already in the torrent file?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: gn0stik on April 15, 2008, 02:01:20 AM
I believe you may be right about this Jack. It could be a Saturatable reactor LC circuit, or actually, 3 or four of them arranged around a toroid.

EM's post was good for a few reasons, not the least of which were the reference to the "missing video", and the "turbine effect".

The topology I posted about above would explain why it spins up slowly. At first it takes longer for the saturatable cores (mag amps) to reach saturation, than when they are in full operation. Of course the compass does not stop spinning because the magnetic field stops spinning, it stops because it's spinning too fast for the compass to respond. It would also explain a few of his other metaphors. The cannons firing successively, squeezing the hose, etc., etc.

At any rate, did you ever hear of the compass video? Or was that shot during the time that you worked with SM?

Oh, and thanks for this.

Regards,
Rich.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 15, 2008, 02:18:16 AM
I just reviewed the larger unit segment and sure enough the chokes are the outputs.

Another little nugget...

I don't think the smallest unit has power switch. The entire assembly is covered with tape and Steven just walks up to it already sitting on a table and just connects to it. Could one assume that the earliest device was the smaller unit and due to its limited output it was never considered being dangerous left on. This would reveal that the device could run infinitely if not connected to  load! This also supports a phase locked device.

Perhaps the next larger unit with the magnet as a switch was designed as such when it was determined that the output was dangerous enough to warrant a switch. So what? Well it does reveal a lesser important but interesting clue. Magnetic reed switches are low current in this size. This would mean that the switch is connecting the low current/low voltage side of the device or the Primary!

So what? So what if the primary is in fact an antenna, a tuned antenna, better yet a tank circuit? An ordinary tuned tank circuit is designed to favor an in band frequency or wavelength and reject all other frequencies or wavelengths. Well the tank circuit certainly would not be conventional in that there is no ferrite rods or cores visible to maximize Q creating the ideal tank. But what if the target wavelength was very high amplitude in its natural state to begin with or at least a couple orders of magnitude above the ambient noise floor? Theoretically you would not need a tank at all but just a means of capturing the wavelength and introducing it to a matched secondary where the captured wavelength is superimposed over a series of windings that causes the primary and secondary tanks to harmonize with the original wavelength acting as a tickler or excitation wave and the secondary becomes an amplifier of sorts.

Prehaps the whole overheating issue is really the natural result of  gain from the primary to secondary and unlike a conventional amplifier that can be conventionally cooled the TPU's amplifier is a secondary winding of just wire!

Time to revisit our Tesla books.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on April 15, 2008, 02:24:40 AM
Great work Jack, Jason and all!

At some point, someone please consider sending discs via snail mail. Cover your cost, by all means. Here torrents are blocked and non-negotiable. Downloading a bunch of 50 or 90 MB files would take weeks. I'm sure like many others, I have no other options.

Thanks,

John
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 15, 2008, 02:26:49 AM
Thanks for reminding me of the pdf. I skimmed it a month ago when someone from here emailed it.

Forgive my thinking out loud. I often do this to create a record so I don't end up in a loop!

If my ideas are yesteryear its because I am just starting to relive this a bit.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 15, 2008, 03:05:07 AM
Very interesting!


My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices...

This sounds like Steven but I have trouble with the theory of operation. If one believes that the frequencies are unimportant and are determined by the circumference of the device then it is not a resonant receiver.

I have a real hard time believing that there was a single integrated circuit in any of the devices or any batteries for that matter. I really think Steven is attempting to deceive the party he is communicating with. Steven was always tinkering with and or demonstrating the devices and I can't imagine him going through the hassle of changing batteries especially in the smallest unit that was 100% covered with tape. The devices were kludged together and were not serviceable as far as I could tell. You can see in one segment that Steven's fingernails were stained with black paint supporting the idea that he did all the work on the units even painting them!


"By the way, have you seen the video of the compass turning" It seems only natural that the compass would stop spinning when the lines of force exceeded the speed at which the compass's needle could spin.

 
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 15, 2008, 03:21:14 AM
 :o what's that purple glow around the top perimeter and also to the right?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Super God on April 15, 2008, 03:37:50 AM
The torrent link is down.  Is there another place to download it via torrent client?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 15, 2008, 03:39:04 AM

Thanks EM...that witness account certainly sets my mind at rest.

Dr. Schinzinger was very compelling with his detail...even without knowing his background or credentials.

With all the minds here with the same objective, I am very optimistic at this point.

Interesting how the juice from one unit fried an air conditioner fuse...that is exactly what the unit should be sitting in front of, as it requires cooling.

Regards...



Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 15, 2008, 03:51:11 AM
Regarding the other players surrounding the technology... There were no other people around outside of those mentioned. Most all of the inner circle were investors, Steven's attorney, and periodic visits from Spheric management. No one had unsupervised time with the devices including myself.

Could you please name the attorney and the Spheric management guy?s names please ?

Who was the guy that filmed the video and who was the one assisting Steven Mark
with putting in the lightbulbs at the biggest device ?

Do you know or ever spoke to John Sanchez a colleague of Prof.
Roland Schinzinger ?


Quote
The video by the way, is a direct cut from the hi-8 master. I just dubbed the DVD I made years ago as a backup in case someone broke in and found it.


Okay, that is great, that the DVD is a first generation copy of the Hi-8 tape.

Quote
Getting back to prior statements...When I look at the output chokes and large polycarb caps I can't help but think that these are used as a means of isolating the load from the output. This theory would prove true if one were to discover that the output was feeding the choke/cap pairs in series. I cannot fathom why these would act as hash filters since the output is H.F. to begin with. In other words I only use chokes like these to mitigate noise in exotic power supply designs utilizing switching type regulators. The TPU is already producing H.F. so why filter it? The only argument I can see in opposition would be the I.R. drop across the chokes causing moderate to high localized heating. A slight discoloration of the choke windings would occur during operation perhaps even localized visible heat vapor. Another hint to consider is the capacitor chemistry selection. Why such an exotic cap? The polycarbonate capacitor exhibits very low ESR providing the purest or most ideal filtering characteristics especially in an application using higher voltages.

Do remember that Steven could not run inductive loads for quite a while. The youtube video that shows Steven running inductive loads was indicative of his finding a fix for the problem. The video quality however is so bad that it is very difficult to spot and obvious hardware mods made to the device.

Hmm, I think the TPU is probably much simpler than we all
think about.
As SM said, when he switched on his biggest 17 inch 1 KW device,
he said:
"Now I switch on the first frequency, now the second frequency."

So obviously only 2 driver frequencies are used, not  3 frequencies..

Hmm..
Maybe there are also only 2 output collector coils and not 3 output coils.
As in the smaller open devices also there are only 2 discs, one upper
and one lower disc where at the outer circumference a output coil is wired..
And we don?t know, if Mr. Mannix really was in contact with SM or if he just made
it all up from his own views..
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on April 15, 2008, 04:49:03 AM
I?m sure you can have two or three frequencies but think only two were used for control. As in a reversing switch mixer. The conventional reversing switch mixer has one square wave control signal and can use two toroid-looking chokes. The switching mechanism is the conduction of fast diodes being triggered by the control signal. Not far from a mag-amp or directional coupler. One nice thing about such mixers is they tend to cancel out even orders ? helpful for rotation and unidirectional current flow.
I?ve never seen more than one control signal used but I?m sure two or three could be done with more inductors.

Basically, not only could they be used as common-mode chokes but with no wiring changes they would also act as a balanced to unbalanced coupler between the coils and load. As Jason pointed out? the switching would be very fast since the only active devices would be diodes (de-coupled from the load) and an oscillator, probably a VCO(also de-coupled).

Bunching of the waveforms could be done with a center conductor (collector?) wrapped with bi-filar vertical acceleration coils and then on top of those ? quadrature coil sets(cancellation of fields and squeezing ? raising the hose). As many will disagree, this system would lend itself to resonating at extremely low and unexpected frequencies and their subharmonics.

This would help explain the DC Ampprobe showing current at different points and angles inside the large TPU. Such a meter would need a strong difference in current between the middle and surrounding areas of the clamp to register much of anything. Usually the only areas exposed to mag fields are the inside of the clamp. However, with no wire conductor in the middle he would have to effectively put the clamp around a directional flow (tail of a mini-tornado?).

The idea that the compass stops because the rotation is too fast may be right but I think it is more likely because the first axis of rotation is joined by another that is perpendicular to the first. Where they meet there is only current flow and no mag flux.

All only opinions. Sorry to butt in. I?ll leave you all to your good work now.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 15, 2008, 04:49:52 AM
:o what's that purple glow around the top perimeter and also to the right?

  I know what your saying.  It seems to be a light scource and it is reflecting off some plastic disks on the open tpu.  Maybe Jack knows?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Jdo300 on April 15, 2008, 04:56:24 AM
The torrent link is down.  Is there another place to download it via torrent client?

Hi,

I just noticed that the tracker is down, I'm working on it now and should have it up and running in a few minutes :).
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Jdo300 on April 15, 2008, 05:02:26 AM
Ok, I found the problem. Forgot to add the domain name I made to the update list for my DNS updator. It should be working now :)

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: slapper on April 15, 2008, 05:13:34 AM
:o what's that purple glow around the top perimeter and also to the right?
I know what your saying.  It seems to be a light scource and it is reflecting off some plastic disks on the open tpu.  Maybe Jack knows?

Looks kind of like the light that comes off of a fluorescent starter tube with the case off when it is constantly switching at a rapid rate.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Jdo300 on April 15, 2008, 05:18:51 AM
Hello,

About sending discs out via. Snail mail. If anyone wants one, please PM me. Once I get a list of people who want it, I'll cut all the discs at once and send them out. I need to look up the shipping rates to determine how much I'll charge but let me know if you are interested.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 15, 2008, 05:31:56 AM
   If that purple light is the near ultraviolet light  this could be a reflection of some kinda coronal discharge.  Anybody here able to build a tank circuit and antennae for infra-red wavelengths.  Looks alot easier to build then one of these Rue Goldberg rigs.  The more I see in these shots the more screwedup this thing looks.  No wonder he started putting black tape on everything.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 15, 2008, 05:54:36 AM
Hi Jason,
I am just finished downloading the Mediafire version so far,
but only 2 VOB files there...
Can you please upload the next VOB files also there ?
Seems to be faster for me than the bittorent.

The VOB files did not play well,
so I used VOB2MPG from
http://software.badgerit.com/VOB2MPG.html
to extract the MPEG2 file  and that played very well
with Mediaplayer Classic or VLC.

EMDevices is right.
The output coils must only be a few turns of stranded loudspeaker wire or
something like this, cause the internal impedance of the output
coils must be very low, simular to only 1 Ohm or even below,
at least in the bigger units...as when connecting additional
loads did not change much the output voltage....

So for the open TPU where he connects the 2 x 60 Watts bulbs and
about only 4 control coils are around these output coils,
this must be a real easy circuit, if we only had one scopeshot
of the output voltage, that would really point us into the right direction..
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 15, 2008, 06:48:05 AM
In case of the Open TPU,
if you have again 2 magnets switching ON the device,
like the big 17 inch device,but there only with real switches,
on the Open TPU probably via ReedRelay switches...

So does the OpenTPU also use just 2 driver frequencies ?

At least we could maybe calculate the internal impedance
of the  output coil winding powering the 2 x 60 Watts bulbs.

As the open circuit voltage is 91.2 Volts of the OpenTPU
and also the voltage at the 2 x 60 Watts bulbs load is 91.2 Volts,
the internal impedance of the OpenTPU must be very low.
So low, that not even a 10th of a Volt moves down.

So does anybody know, what resistance a standard
60 Watts light bulb has when it is illuminated with around 91.2 Volts ?
Then divide this by 2 cause 2 bulbs are in parallel and then
calculate what the voltage divider must be, if the voltage will
only drop by 0.05 Volts ( so it does not show on the meter)
if these 2 bulbs loads are applied.

Okay lets calculate:
A 60 Watts bulbs at 120 Volts AC
has about an impedance ( ohmical resistance of 240 Ohms,
cause 120 Volts  / 240= 0.5 Amps flowing, that gives 120 Volts x 0.5 Amps= 60 Watts.

So both bulbs in parallel gives a load resistance of just 120 Ohms for the OpenTPU.

So that the output voltage does not change more than 0.05 Volts, ( so it does not register
on the digital meter in this scale)
the Open TPU must have an internal resistance of about only 0.05 Ohms.
Cause 0.05 Ohms / 120 Ohms= 0.00041666
This then multiplied with the original 91.2 Volts open circuit Voltage will
give a change of just 0.038 Volts.
So a change of this 0.038 Volts would not register on
the shown scale of 91.2 Volts.
So the output coil of the TPU must just have a resistance of just 50 Milliohms only,
so it is probably just only one big stranded wire turn, not much more...

Maybe someone can post the resistances of different wire sizes for different length of wire
so we can see, how big the diameter and/or wire length must have been
for this low resistance.
Many thanks.

P.S. ALso it looks on the new video, that these red control coils
are just wound around this 1 wire white output wire.
In one shot there was the 1 white wire be seen going inside the red control coil,
so he used probably only this 1 white wire as the output coil in one turn loop.


Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 15, 2008, 07:16:22 AM

So does the OpenTPU also use just 2 driver frequencies ?
   
Regards, Stefan.

Hi Stefan

It is possible there are only two "driving frequency's"
Then these two frequency's create the high speed rotating field and the third is the "brake frequency"
This Third frequency can just be a means to switch the load on and off the collector @ app 6000 Hertz to keep it from going below catalyst and to prevent it from self destuction.

M.

 
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 15, 2008, 08:36:08 AM
All this dribbling of minute details from Steven reminds me of the movie "The birdman from Alcatraz". It's like Steven is sitting in a cell looking forward to every moment he can share with someone without really ever revealing anything of merit assuring many future visits. This guy could have cut to the chase at any time and just revealed the details but he chose to just tease and toil. I wonder how much of his tales are just ad lib. The devices are very obviously very simple and use a scarcity of parts. There just can't be much to this technology once uncovered. The smallest unit really shows how simple this has to be in that there is just no room for anything beyond the basics.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: rensseak on April 15, 2008, 08:49:24 AM
@Jdo300


could download all files of part 2 except .z04 and .z07. Something is wrong there, it will not start with downloading. Pleasae could you check it?

thanks a lot

Norbert
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Jdo300 on April 15, 2008, 08:50:43 AM
Hi Jason,
I am just finished downloading the Mediafire version so far,
but only 2 VOB files there...
Can you please upload the next VOB files also there ?
Seems to be faster for me than the bittorent.

Hi Stefan,

I can't upload more pieces to the MediaFire folder right now since all of my upstream bandwidth is going to the Torrent. If your download speed was slow before, you might want to try again now. In about another hour or so, there will be  20 people completing the download and turning into Seeds. Those people are already at around 94% completed and I was hearing that some are already getting download rates of up to 200KB/s so it should start going much faster now with all the extra people seeding the file.

I won't be able to add the rest of the pieces to the MediaFire page until I get another chance to upload from a different connection or I stop seeding the torrent.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Jdo300 on April 15, 2008, 09:00:49 AM
@Jdo300


could download all files of part 2 except .z04 and .z07. Something is wrong there, it will not start with downloading. Pleasae could you check it?

thanks a lot

Norbert

Hi Norbert,

So far, other people have been able to download all of the Part 2 files and view them. I don't have any control over what is going on at the file server since I simply uploaded the files there. However, I have heard that some people had problems downloading files from the MediaFire site using Internet Explorer 7 but were able to get the files using Firefox. I would try using a different browser if you keep having problems. But I highly suggest that you just download the compete DVD from the torrent, it is finally starting to move fast now and you can get the whole thing at once rather than in lots of pieces.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Jdo300 on April 15, 2008, 09:13:10 AM
All this dribbling of minute details from Steven reminds me of the movie "The birdman from Alcatraz". It's like Steven is sitting in a cell looking forward to every moment he can share with someone without really ever revealing anything of merit assuring many future visits. This guy could have cut to the chase at any time and just revealed the details but he chose to just tease and toil. I wonder how much of his tales are just ad lib. The devices are very obviously very simple and use a scarcity of parts. There just can't be much to this technology once uncovered. The smallest unit really shows how simple this has to be in that there is just no room for anything beyond the basics.

Hi Jack,

There is a FAQ PDF that was compiled a while back which addresses many of the most commonly asked questions about the TPU here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=712.0;attach=10461

Point 13 in the document addresses your question about Steven's seemingly elusive approach to sharing information. But you can read more specifics about in the main PDF full of his letters to Lindsay.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 15, 2008, 09:21:58 AM
Could you please name the attorney and the Spheric management guy?s names please ?

Who was the guy that filmed the video and who was the one assisting Steven Mark
with putting in the lightbulbs at the biggest device ?

Do you know or ever spoke to John Sanchez a colleague of Prof.
Roland Schinzinger ?

The attorney was Cavenaugh and he is the shooter and lamp assistant.

Never heard about the two guys that did the test but I can look them up. I have Nexis Lexus.

Here's a little bit of fun for all you junior psychologists out there. Watch how Cavenaugh runs the camera. He periodically sneaks in close ups that are very brief as if to get one over on the boss. It makes him look like he is also there just to rip off the technology like everyone else!
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 15, 2008, 10:07:54 AM
:o what's that purple glow around the top perimeter and also to the right?
That's a light of strong air ionization. If so, the device is really is dangerous to health if you expose yourself to it for too long.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: zapnic on April 15, 2008, 10:17:01 AM
full speed
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 15, 2008, 02:16:26 PM
@All

Anybody see the big toggle switch on the small TPU shown on the glass coffee table. I never saw that in the old vids.

@JD

On the video you put up on YouTube at 3.32 you will see the Open TPU (OTPU) and a circuit and the left leg is covered with a slip on sheath for rapid battery replacement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X26_8LW-S2o

More on the OTPU device I have put up a pdf here. Just look at the pictures.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3403.0;attach=13871

Your comment about bits of info is correct also and this has been a tribulation trying to weed out what is relevant and what is not. When you take SM statements in the context of their originating threads, you often get the feeling we were the teacher and he was just "going with the flow".

One of the first analogies "magnet over wire" was probably the only real analogy and realizing the level of sophistication of the guys here, he quickly changed his tune to not give out any more.

@All

The theory of operation will be simple because it can only work if it is simple. If you follow the law of probabilities, the less components and operational fancies, the more chance you have for it to work, because there will be an exponential lessening in variables that could go wrong. Simple. lol

Question; If the TPU is too work in a loop, is it not better to have the beginning and the ending to be the same. I think from now on, if you guys want to consider the function, you have to consider the complete functional loop. A working loop can do things that a straight linear driven scheme cannot do. And what do you think that is? So if you do builds, build it all or don't waste your time. If you don't think loop from the start, you won't get it.

Stefan, put up some great thoughts on the OTPU. This is what we need is observations that are directly relating to the physical device. 

Reed switches oscillate when placed between an iron core coil and a magnet or when inside an air core coil and a magnet on the side. I have tried it and it works.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: starcruiser on April 15, 2008, 07:16:16 PM
@wattsup,

So you think that the reed switches and magnet might be SM's control circuit? or his Oscillator?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 15, 2008, 07:24:59 PM
I'm not sure about the reed switch theory Jack brought to us, so I'm hoping he can clarify more.

Why? 

Well just look at the way the magnets are used in some of the larger units.  It is the speaker magnet and it has the IRON DISKS on it.   What does that mean?   It means the magnetic field is very very small outside of it since all the flux is contained in the iron disks and the flux is strongest only in the tiny circular gap where the speaker cone coils would be located. And look how he moves the magnet about in different locations along the TPU, that does not tell me he has VERY VERY SENSITIVE reed switches ALL OVER the place, it's kind of ridiculous to think that.

Then in the First TPU, the spool one,   we see  he places the magnet on the ferrite toroid, EXACTLY AT THE SYMETERY point between the two coils.   What does that do?   It's a form of bias to bring the B-H curve closer to saturation to allow for nonlinear operation.  We already went over this so many times.

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 15, 2008, 07:48:47 PM
@Jack

Quote
This sounds like Steven but I have trouble with the theory of operation. If one believes that the frequencies are unimportant and are determined by the circumference of the device then it is not a resonant receiver.

Why is it not a resonant receiver, if the frequencies are determined by the circumfernece?  Is that what you are saying?

When a frequency has a wavelength depended on the circumference, that's when you hit resonace and have standing waves.  You can have 1/4, 1/2, 1, 2, wavelengths etc.., after all loop antennas become directive when this happens.

What wavelength are we talking about?   Is it the one determined by the speed of light?  If yes, then the frequencies would have to be very high.  (at 300 MHz the wavelength in free space is 1 meter)

What if the wavelength is a sonic wavelength in the iron wire or material?   You see weve been down this road before.  If you listen carefully to what Steven says in the Dual Ring Open Tpu,  he says his frequency is 6kHz, and we approximated that this matches with the speed of sound in the ring judging the size from the video.  So we embarked on the MAGNETOSTRICICTION theory for a while and and I still have not discarded this theory yet.   

The reality is that Steven did not know how his device realy operated, or rather where the energy comes from, he just stumbled on the effect using 3 frequencies, then later he realized there are so many combinations.  So what does all this mean?     To me it means it is a type of mixer, and he is heterodyning  and mixing frequencies and taping into a low Schumann or radio tower frequency in a VERY EFFICIENT manner so lots of power gets produced.    Why does he mention the 7.3 Hz vibration of the first TPU (spool type)  ?     well, that happens to be close to the Schumann frequency.

Here's some things he said:  

   
I and my collogues noted the rather maximum magnetic factors involved with the devices in operation, i.e., there is always extremely strong magnetic fields at frequency at close and distant proximity. We were never able to actually understand what came first... The fields or the power. Are the fields just a coupling mechanism from a power source converted from? Or is the power source that the unit couples just the earth's magnetic field pure and simple?We were coached to come to a decision and maintain that it is the Earth's magnetic field which is the source of the power which is converted by the power units while in operation.
Well, I tell you now Lindsay that actually we never found out what the absolute provable source of the power is. Our founding was cut off. The powers that be assumed we had a marketable item and that money would be available for future research. we would find out all the secrets of the universe, etc.
However, that was not to be.
So here we are..... I tell you that I honestly do not know for sure where the actual source of the power comes from.


and also this:

I am restricted from making any statements involving the following:
Size and number of turns of collector coil.
Material of collector coil.
Control apparatus.
Any control frequency.
Any combinations of control frequencies.
Any lack of controlled frequencies, etc.
Amount of amplification and or power of input needed, etc.
I have been in some difficulty trying to convey as much help as I can while being restricted by these parameters.


Why would the material of a coil be restricted?   Because it's something unconventional and the secret revolves around it.  Also note it's the material of the COLLECTOR coil.    :)   
If you understand some of the theory of magnetostriction you will understand a lot.

more:

This is exactly what I said to Dr. Schinzinger the first day I met him. I blatantly admitted that we knew how to make the music but had no idea how the violin worked. He told me that he understood fully what I meant and that he wanted to work on the solution with me if I would be willing. I agreed and was excited with the thought, but the gentlemen I worked with did not think it was such a good idea.

more:

I understand about your frustration concerning your experiments. I was never frustrated because I stumbled on to the right combination and then just worked up more from there.

more:

However, I very much enjoyed the concepts you sent to me because these people appear to be thinkers and in fact have many parts to the concept puzzle. If you read the information provided by many research scientists you will find that it seems to always point to some form of release or catalyst of sorts occurring.?  .Note that in the TPU this is what happens. I never had the benefit of knowing exactly what was going on inside the thing. We had theories and so on but never any concrete facts. I kept moving frequencies up and down, changing control devices and size of rings the kind of wire and materials used and over the years we developed some basics for tpu design. But we never found out all of the high order thinking involving the depth of some of the research I have read about.
Sincerely,
SM   

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 15, 2008, 08:10:09 PM
Why does he mention the 7.3 Hz vibration of the first TPU (spool type)  ?
Measuring or estimating such frequency by ear is impossible. Only a very high quality microphone can go that low. 7.3 Hz could be a speculation if no clear claim vibration was measured with a mic exists. Measuring ambient EM fields of this frequency are also very problematic I think.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 15, 2008, 08:16:42 PM
If you understand some of the theory of magnetostriction you will understand a lot.
Sorry if you dislike my ideas, magnetostriction is closely related to acoustics and so probably to my DC acoustical wave hypothesis. One of the proposals I had is to use powdered iron core coils which should exhibit strong phonon production on pulses. This is also a kind of magnetostriction, but without a solid material involved, so there is no other effects available like potential electric field buildup - only phonon excitation. It will go better with time as powder becomes finer and finer due to pulsing.

correction: I incorrectly referred to potential electric field. I meant a kind of "tension" field between atoms of a magnetostrictive material. In the case of powder such field is not created.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 15, 2008, 09:04:03 PM
Why does he mention the 7.3 Hz vibration of the first TPU (spool type)  ?
Measuring or estimating such frequency by ear is impossible. Only a very high quality microphone can go that low. 7.3 Hz could be a speculation if no clear claim vibration was measured with a mic exists. Measuring ambient EM fields of this frequency are also very problematic I think.

that's exactly the point,  why does he mention the vibration to the decimal point?   It's because he MEASURED it.  On a scope?  yes,  it is a beat frequency, and you can see those quite easily on the scope.

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 15, 2008, 09:14:54 PM
that's exactly the point,  why does he mention the vibration to the decimal point?   It's because he MEASURED it.  On a scope?  yes,  it is a beat frequency, and you can see those quite easily on the scope.
Why would it beat at 7.3Hz? Beat frequency is a difference between two frequencies of any magnitude being summed. This means that one of the frequencies in the sum should be shifted by 7.3Hz against the other. I do not see how one of the frequencies can be shifted due to ambient oscillation without the other shifting there as well and thus removing any beating. The only 'sane' answer is that SM puprosely used two frequencies with a difference of 7.3Hz between them. Being at beating is energy ineffective. Any natural - or rather naturally induced - oscillations won't (or likely won't) exhibit such behavior.

Then you should ask yourself how a sinewave of 100Hz can be shifted to 107.3Hz, for example? This is heterodyning which in the simplest case can be produced from a sum of 7.3 Hz and 100 Hz with a heavy saturation applied. This will produce intermodulation distortion with 107.3Hz created. Not to note this will work only if the amplitudes of both 100 Hz and 7.3 Hz waves are basically equal. Otherwise no such heterodyning will be present (only a normal saturation of the loudest wave will happen).
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sypherios on April 15, 2008, 09:55:25 PM
this is great
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 15, 2008, 10:06:44 PM
great?
it's starting to look like the biggest joke in history.

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 15, 2008, 10:59:35 PM
         Looks to me like Mark or Marks whatever was a tinkerer.  He has more shit taped down to the open tpu stonehenge looking thing than U-DO-IT electronics distributor has in it's central warehouse.
    Build it and you will understand?  Build what? 
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 15, 2008, 11:55:06 PM
[edit...] I'll tell you more later..
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: MeggerMan on April 16, 2008, 12:16:01 AM
@Wattsup,
Thanks for the PDF document, quite a lot of work has gone into that.
I am wondering if the board had a simple rat race circuit on it, I think it could be built with 2 x ICs and a simple single transistor oscillator to drive it, plus three transistors for the output stage - OK maybe the component count is still too high.

I wonder if its possible to have 3 coils driven by 3 mosfets and use the back emf from each coil to trigger the next mosfet in the chain, so you have a self sustaining simple rat race circuit. You would need to pulse the first coil manually to start it running.
Regards
Rob
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 16, 2008, 12:34:32 AM
[edit..] I'll tell you more later...

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 16, 2008, 01:22:23 AM
@Jdo300


could download all files of part 2 except .z04 and .z07. Something is wrong there, it will not start with downloading. Pleasae could you check it?

thanks a lot

Norbert

Hi Norbert,

So far, other people have been able to download all of the Part 2 files and view them. I don't have any control over what is going on at the file server since I simply uploaded the files there. However, I have heard that some people had problems downloading files from the MediaFire site using Internet Explorer 7 but were able to get the files using Firefox. I would try using a different browser if you keep having problems. But I highly suggest that you just download the compete DVD from the torrent, it is finally starting to move fast now and you can get the whole thing at once rather than in lots of pieces.

God Bless,
Jason O

Hi Jason,
as I have already downloaded 2 GB from  the Mediafire server,
I don?t want to download it again via the Torrent download.

Could you or somebody else please post the missing
parts 3 to 5 of the VOB files and the BUP and IFO files
to the Mediafire server or megaupload.com
for easier download ?
Many thanks.

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 16, 2008, 01:25:45 AM
Could you please name the attorney and the Spheric management guy?s names please ?

Who was the guy that filmed the video and who was the one assisting Steven Mark
with putting in the lightbulbs at the biggest device ?

Do you know or ever spoke to John Sanchez a colleague of Prof.
Roland Schinzinger ?

The attorney was Cavenaugh and he is the shooter and lamp assistant.

Never heard about the two guys that did the test but I can look them up. I have Nexis Lexus.

Here's a little bit of fun for all you junior psychologists out there. Watch how Cavenaugh runs the camera. He periodically sneaks in close ups that are very brief as if to get one over on the boss. It makes him look like he is also there just to rip off the technology like everyone else!

Never heard of this Mr. Cavenaugh.
Where does he live and can he be contacted ?
If somebody would give me a phone number I will call him
and ask him.

Any other names ?
Many thanks.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 16, 2008, 01:35:45 AM

Excellent work wattsup.

A coup[le of observations which may or may not be useful...iny our PDF you noted...' see white wires that have very jagged edges when they turn and twist. This is indicative of LITZ wire '...I wondered if the outer surface of that wire type has that outward appearance normally ?

If not, would intentionally twisting litz wire have any effect on the properties of the coil ?

Could his adjusting the magnet actually be to modify a field or to tune a frequency ?
 
The configuration of magnets and coils in your our diagram puts me in mind of old style speakers.

There definitely appears to be something weighty in one of the legs...instead of batteries, could also it be magnets ?

EM..very interesting findings...there may be more going on than meets the eye.

Regards...

   
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 16, 2008, 03:13:10 AM
anyone had trouble extracting the DVD zip file with winrar?

2 days downloading and the damn things says it's corrupt.... :'(
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: comp-tech on April 16, 2008, 03:51:16 AM
@ Poynt99

I managed to download it in two days too. To make sure that I do not lose anything, I copied te file into a new folder. ( I am using Windows XP and the eval. version of Winzip). So, i made a right click on that file and from the displayed menu I selected "Extract here". Everyting went well :-).
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aethernut on April 16, 2008, 04:22:50 AM
@ Poynt99
Try it again but shut down everything else first. Whatever comes with Vista Business will work but takes 10 minutes and most of your CPU cycles.  Freezip works great with Windows 98 but it won't run on Vista.     http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nulifetv/freezip/
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: eldarion on April 16, 2008, 04:25:39 AM
There is one corrupt VOB file in the ZIP (#4, if I recall correctly), but Linux's unzip program just kept going and the VOB seems to be fine.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 16, 2008, 04:37:29 AM
thanks guys. frostwire lost my connection part way through the download, so I think it might have got corrupt when I reconnected and finished it.

i'm getting about 200kB/s right now, so i'll just try it again...hopefully my connection hangs in there long enough.  ;)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: johnnyt3514 on April 16, 2008, 05:07:40 AM
Anyone having trouble w/zip files: Try 7-zip (open source zip/unzip program that supports a ton of operating systems)

Supported formats:
    * Packing / unpacking: 7z, ZIP, GZIP, BZIP2 and TAR
    * Unpacking only: RAR, CAB, ISO, ARJ, LZH, CHM, MSI, WIM, Z, CPIO, RPM, DEB and NSIS

http://www.7-zip.org/download.html

-JT
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on April 16, 2008, 05:37:55 AM
Lyrics - Pissing in the Wind by Badly Drawn Boy

I've been pissing in the wind
I chance a foolish grin
And dribbled on my chin
Now the ground shifts beneath my feet
The faces that I greet never know my name

Just give me something
I'll take nothing
Just give me something
I'll take nothing

Now the drought is crippled by the rain
That hammers on my pain
We lose ourselves again
But all we need
Is to fid a place to look
Our worm is on the hook
A love which dangles free
Lets watch it swim
Against the waters flow
In doubt the courage grows
With no guarantee

And so it goes
The moral to this tale
As tortoise catches the snail
A strong heart will prevail

It keeps on pumping
It still needs something
Just give me something
I'll take nothing
Just give it something
To keep it pumping
And I'll take nothing
Just give me something
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 16, 2008, 05:48:00 AM
@MeggerMan

Thanks for your comments. That was over 6 months ago. With the new video I will make a few close up grabs of the circuit and post it here. Hopefully, I will also be able to refine the OTPU wiring diagram.

@Cap-Z-ro

Thanks also for your comments. I think this TPU is the only one using any real SS circuit and that the round tpus are using a simpler tech. About the white wire, I have also thought about litz and from the diameter, I would think multi-bundled, like one wire is 147 strands and you would have 5 wires bundled together. That would give you 735 wires.

Also in the LPTU, there is 6 winds of a horizontal wire that is under the four vertical coils. I think this may be bundled Litz also since during the cut-away scenes you could see a cut wire length fall to the ground as the piece is being removed from the TPU. There were no shredded parts like you would expect if it was a regular wire.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 16, 2008, 07:35:35 AM
Hi

I have extracted some pictures from the video's
M.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item32 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item32)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item33 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item33)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item34 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item34)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item35 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item35)

Edit:
I have uploaded 4 more zip files containing 5 pictures each.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: rensseak on April 16, 2008, 08:39:17 AM
@Jdo300


could download all files of part 2 except .z04 and .z07. Something is wrong there, it will not start with downloading. Pleasae could you check it?

thanks a lot

Norbert

Hi Norbert,

So far, other people have been able to download all of the Part 2 files and view them. I don't have any control over what is going on at the file server since I simply uploaded the files there. However, I have heard that some people had problems downloading files from the MediaFire site using Internet Explorer 7 but were able to get the files using Firefox. I would try using a different browser if you keep having problems. But I highly suggest that you just download the compete DVD from the torrent, it is finally starting to move fast now and you can get the whole thing at once rather than in lots of pieces.

God Bless,
Jason O

Hi Jason,
as I have already downloaded 2 GB from  the Mediafire server,
I don?t want to download it again via the Torrent download.

Could you or somebody else please post the missing
parts 3 to 5 of the VOB files and the BUP and IFO files
to the Mediafire server or megaupload.com
for easier download ?
Many thanks.




@hartiberlin

am Browser kann es wohl nicht liegen, denn die anderen Datein konnte ich ja einwandfrei herunterladen. Hast du die beiden mir fehlenden Datein schon und wenn ja, kannst du sie mir irgendwie zum downloaden bereitstellen?

@Jdo300

I tried already with different browsers under Linux (Konqueror, Iceweasel) and WinXP (IE und Firefox) but same result.

Thanks a lot

Norbert
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 16, 2008, 09:16:15 AM
"Hmm, I think the TPU is probably much simpler than we all
think about.
As SM said, when he switched on his biggest 17 inch 1 KW device,
he said:
"Now I switch on the first frequency, now the second frequency."

So obviously only 2 driver frequencies are used, not  3 frequencies.."

I think the whole frequency switch thing was a ruse or better put, false information. The second switch he throws is just the output going to the lamps from what I can see.

If there was an ideal time to use this tactic it would be the video that would be used to raise more money by sending it out to those who were skeptical and needed a little evidence prior to flying in to see it. Some very big companies came in to see the devices including Toyota and Sony. Steven had to be scared to death at this juncture that someone might figure out the device.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 16, 2008, 09:50:53 AM
"@Jack

Quote
This sounds like Steven but I have trouble with the theory of operation. If one believes that the frequencies are unimportant and are determined by the circumference of the device then it is not a resonant receiver.

Why is it not a resonant receiver, if the frequencies are determined by the circumfernece?  Is that what you are saying? The circumference is irrelevant if the device is a Schumann resonator. You would just create a resonant tank at the target wavelength. I just can't see this ultra simple assembly capable of dealing with several frequencies and keeping them tuned off center frequency, etc. When you really examine up close the windings about the device they just don't look very precise. I guess I just can't see anything in these devices that resemble high technology. 

When a frequency has a wavelength depended on the circumference, that's when you hit resonace and have standing waves.  You can have 1/4, 1/2, 1, 2, wavelengths etc.., after all loop antennas become directive when this happens. I am unfamiliar with this. I have designed a lot of antennas from VLF to microwave strip but no loops out side of VLF which I used to lock my VLF shopping cart wheels from over doorways in Old Navy stores!

What wavelength are we talking about?   Is it the one determined by the speed of light?  If yes, then the frequencies would have to be very high.  (at 300 MHz the wavelength in free space is 1 meter)

What if the wavelength is a sonic wavelength in the iron wire or material?   You see weve been down this road before.  If you listen carefully to what Steven says in the Dual Ring Open Tpu,  he says his frequency is 6kHz, and we approximated that this matches with the speed of sound in the ring judging the size from the video.  So we embarked on the MAGNETOSTRICICTION theory for a while and and I still have not discarded this theory yet.

The reality is that Steven did not know how his device realy operated, or rather where the energy comes from, he just stumbled on the effect using 3 frequencies, then later he realized there are so many combinations.  So what does all this mean?     To me it means it is a type of mixer, and he is heterodyning  and mixing frequencies and taping into a low Schumann or radio tower frequency in a VERY EFFICIENT manner so lots of power gets produced.    Why does he mention the 7.3 Hz vibration of the first TPU (spool type)  ?     well, that happens to be close to the Schumann frequency.

The story I was told was that Steven did not know anything about the device when he "acquired" it from some unknown party and the journey to Europe was an attempt to learn more about the true inventor and the inner workings of the technology. I was told that Dolshal was to do the research and they came up dry on leads. Steven supposedly surmised that the inventor's works were intentionally purged by the government.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Jdo300 on April 16, 2008, 11:41:20 AM
Download Update

So far the torrent has been a great success. There have been a total of 102 downloads and still counting. For those who are having issues downloading the pieces from the MediaFire pages, I again suggest that you try the torrent. If it was running slow for you, it shouldn't be now as the average download rate I'm seeing is between 70KB/s and 200KB/s on average. There are a lot of people helping to seed (Thank you everyone!) so please feel free to jump on and download while there are still a lot of people connected.

http://tpu.thruhere.net:6969/

For those who didn't get this message, I am making a list of names to send out copies of the DVDs via snail mail. If you are interested, please PM me and I'll add you to the list.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 16, 2008, 12:03:11 PM
Regarding all the heartache on file transfer I can post the entire DVD on rapidshare. Rapidshare is light years beyond torrent services and I can break the DVD into 100 meg files.

Not to promote the downloading of copyrighted materials... but if one were to want to download anything and I mean anything rapidshare is the only way to go and again obsoletes everything else under the sun especially P2P. I hate buying software that is laden with bugs so I always download a copy first and if it is worth a damn I buy it. Rapidshare has over 4 petabytes of files! For 9.95 a month you can download several gigs a day of scientific, medical, computer ebooks and every known software title.

A word of caution however. Install a free copy of AVG anti virus as a good 5% of the files contain Trojans.

Off topic I know but you will be very, very happy when you see how valuable this service is.

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Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 16, 2008, 01:55:43 PM
well, after downloading the torrent the second time, I got the same message from winrar.

it turns out that it blew the little mind of my "older" version of winrar when it saw a 3.5Gb zip file! ....time to upgrade.

thanks for the 7-zip tip, it worked well, and is a nice clean simple program. now I hope Nero knows what to do with all these VOB etc. files to make the DVD.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 16, 2008, 02:31:23 PM
@Jdo300


could download all files of part 2 except .z04 and .z07. Something is wrong there, it will not start with downloading. Pleasae could you check it?

thanks a lot

Norbert

It takes a while until these 2 parts will come up in the download in Mediafire server.
I had the same issue.
Just wait about 2 to 3 minutes and then the download will come up.

Did anybody put up yet the remeining 3 VOB files there or
to other download servers like rapidshare.de or megaupload.com ?

Many thanks.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 16, 2008, 02:32:38 PM
I keep getting 'file not found' from the server when trying to D/L TPU DVD.z16 from http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=bcb5de0bd0f181ea8c9e7c56ba37815f5a52c02ec6da2cd7
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 16, 2008, 02:59:38 PM
@Wattsup,
many thanks for your PDF about the OpenTPU,
but I don?t think you have the coils right.

The output coil must be just a single wire turn loop of the white wire
or maybe just a few turns like EMdevices have drawn here:
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4486.0;attach=22457)

(Probably without the cap.)

Over this output coil there are just wound 4 control coils.
These 4 control coils must have been wound this way, so that a positive feedback
from the output coil must feedback so much power back into them,
so they start oscillating.
Maybe there is a phase shift network with some big caps, so 2 coils always are in 90 degrees
phase shift and thus the magnetic field of the coils keeps oscillating in a circle
and produce this gyroscopic sensation.

Thus these 4 control coils of the OpenTPU keep oscillating in a circle and due to positive
feedback from the single output coil, this magnet field is spinning up in frequency to then
about 5 to 6 Khz.
The output coil then has only DC on it with some 5 to 6 Khz "hash" ( overlayed AC) on it.

It is very logical, that the single output coil just has a DC Voltage on it with some "hash"
as the magnetic rotating fields like a vortex whirlwind just push the electrons inside
the single output coil into one direction all the time.
Thus it has just a DC voltage on it. ( with some 5 to 6 Khz AC superimposed due to the
moving rotating  magnetic vortex)

This is all very logical and due to the calculation I did earlier about the
internal resistance of the output coil having to be equal or less than 50 milliOhms,
the wire of the output coil can not be very long, so it is probably just a single
turn or maybe 2 to 3 turns of wire and it is probably just this seen white wire
which runs hidden under the 4 control coils.

I also think, that the smaller and bigger TPUs might be working on a slightly
modified principle, as in the big 17 inch TPU there are probably more turns
of output coil wire and much bigger diameter sizes and the rotating vortex
frequencies that control there the control coils might be controlled by the 2
switches and the 1 potentiometer that can be seen outside this big 17 inch TPU.


All in all, if one understands how to get this positive feedback to work,
so that you can run the 4 control coils on their own freedback energy
in a rotating fashion , feeded probably
from the output coil, you are able to build a working TPU.

It is just the positive feedback that we have to find out, how this works.

Regards, Stefan.

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 16, 2008, 04:11:05 PM
I have no doubts that the device is very very simple  :)


I finished dowloading the whole DVD,  and viewed all the VOB files with NERO installed on my computer.

BUT

I'm a bit disipointed,   I found out VOB 4 and 5 hardly have anything on them, (5 has nothing whatsoever)  I watched just static on the screen.

Then VOB 3 had a segment of the large TPU rewinded OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER ........and over and over again,  it's so freaking annoying.

I guess the original was being studied  closely and paused to see the detail on the large TPU.  

I just hope there's better video once Jack fixes the hi-8 player

We would benefit greatly from the video where Steven demonstrates a TV working and towards the end of that he explains how it works, but the audio was muted later by editing. 

Ok, VOB 1 and VOB2 had the most relevant info,  they show the video we use to call the UEC video, and the First TPU and the OPEN TPU  (two ring one)

So, somebody knowledgable can edit this DVD and take out all that dead time, and we can have a small file size.  I estimate it will drop in size from 3.5 GBytes to perhaps  1 GBytes or less.

I'll keep my computer going to seed for the other for about a week or so, so hurry up and download.

EM

P.S.   Jack mentioned the French origin for the technology,  I wonder if perhaps Steven was browsing the JNLabs website and saw something there?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: scraven on April 16, 2008, 04:15:04 PM
this is what puzzles me. How could you FEEL a moving magnetic field????? I could understand a gravitational field having this effect - or maybe an alternating electrostatic field but not a magnetic field. The compass thing seems to point in the magnetic direction (pun!) but I think there has to be at least another field in action to be able to resonate with non conducting bystanders. Either way people seem to be over theorizing on this device when clearly if we knew the theory we could explain it already and build it. There is no doubt to me that the way this thing was built would make an electrical engineer shout "those components make no sense arranged like that! That cant work like that! I don't understand". People also keep forgetting about the smaller unit and the clear lack of any kind of driver circuit. It doesn't make sense to me that this thing would be driven otherwise it wouldnt be able to produce power without power being supplied to the driver. If this thing IS reacting to a driver then that driver exists outside the device  - but thats not the point. The point is people are going to have to approach this thing not knowing what they are doing. It least we have a helpful clue from Jack. Simple even childish design - remarkable effect!
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: orbs on April 16, 2008, 05:02:25 PM
this is what puzzles me. How could you FEEL a moving magnetic field?????

Yes, you can feel a moving electro-magnetic field. From my own experience of living for a few weeks in the complete dark (literally), I could sense when I was passing the location where the electrical power of the building was distributed and measured, from some 2 meters away. It was neither sound nor vibration and felt actually disturbing to me. My guess is that it was a combination of the fields produced by the flowing current used and the rotating energy metering device.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: lltfdaniel1 on April 16, 2008, 05:10:46 PM
Good speed but i will make a lower quality one for slow connections,

(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5926/84509941zp2.jpg)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 16, 2008, 05:26:32 PM
In case most people are fixated on this thread,  Notice that a new thread was started in the locked section by Stefan titled:   New Information by Dave Doleshal

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4501.0.html

I just love it, before we know it Tatiana is going to show up and spill the beans....   LOL   :D  :D

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 16, 2008, 06:09:15 PM
I think the most easiest setup to try to understand the OpenTPU is
1. just to use :
One big diameter ( maybe 10 mm diameter) loudspeaker wire coil with maybe 3 turns , which has inside
very small diameter stranded copper wire,
as the output coil
and then wire around it 4 control coils
and just pulse them with very sharp  shiftregister?s output pulses via 4 MOSFETs or Darlington transistors
from a power supply,
so all the 4 coils are pulsed after each other and are in a rotational sync.

Then just study the DC voltage with the "hash" that will just build up
on this loudspeaker wire output coil.

This would be the first stage to see, how much
power could be extracted from this output coil
when rotating fields are applied with a different fast
cycling frequency from a master oscillator to the control coils
via a shift register, so the control coils are pulsed in a circular rotational
fashion.

Then tune the master oscillator this way, that the rotational field
is rotating at around 5 to 6 Khz and see how much
power you can extract from the output coil.

Don?t use any connection yet from the output coil to the
4 control coils.

This just would be a test to see, how a rotating field would
induce power into the output coil and how the output voltage would
look alike and if the connection of 2 x 60 Watts bulb would change the
output voltage and how much, so we could compare it to
the OpenTPU demonstration where the connection
of the 2 x 60 Watts light bulbs would not change the output voltage
of 91.2 Volts.

2. If part 1 is understood, then only comes the more complex work
to see, how the 4 control coils could be fed back from the
ouput coil and connected on its own with some
caps as LC tanks, so they would be 90 degrees out of phase each and
will begin to oscillate onitsself and keep the oscillation stable without
loosing sync to each other and without being destroyed by too much power
feedback or by slowing down, cause the feedback is not enough.

This will be the hardest part.
But first we will need to see the upper first test to be done.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 16, 2008, 06:32:36 PM
@Stefan

Thanks. Again this was made in October 2007 and will be corrected, but it is a good base to move forward with this better video. By the way, with Media Player Classic you can zoom in and run the video really close. Did not know that way back. lol

You are also touching on some things in this following post I had prepared during the last few days. Sorry if it is long.

@ALL

Why do I feel the reed switch is a key. Because it can produce a pulsing frequency that will be directly proportional to the circumference of the TPU. Why, because any circumference will have x turns and will have y inductance and with a capacitor of given value will produce its own frequency. This pulsing will be caused by the complimentary and mutual interaction between the control coil(s), the center toroid(s) and the cap(s). So, of course, the frequency, or more precisely the frequency range, will be related to the circumference.

Imagine you want to pulse the vertical control coils with an on/off DC. So you place a toroid choke in series with the control coil. You put the reed switch in series with the control coil and the toroid and you position the reed near the toroid at a position where when the toroid is energized, it opens the reed switch that stops current, that stops the toroid mag, that closes the reed, that again energizes the coils and bingo, you have pulsing and this will be directly proportional to the components that are in series. Since the reed is magnetically driven this isolates the function since the drive side does not require a current, only magnetism plus the reed will pulse any type of voltage that the tpu will throw back at it.

Yeh but to start this. The reed is normally "open" so the coils cannot get energized. OK, approach a magnet near the toroid. To latch a reed with a magnet, it is a question of proximity. In the small units, proximity is very close so direct placement of a weak magnet does the trick to latch the reed. In the 17" TPU, if there was one reed below each toroid, proximity would be further away inside the black box. As EM says the speaker magnet rightly so has one closed metal washer on one side and one center opened washer on the other side that pushes the field through the center from one side. This is perfect to localize a strong mag field near the toroid to activate the reed and start the process. If the reed is further away, you need a stronger magnet hence his use of the stronger speaker magnet. The only reason he does not place magnets on the 17" TPU is because the toroids are being used both as an induction to charge the yellow caps and as the magnetics to latch the reed.

Now look at the frequencies. If you had a fixed starting voltage, what happens as you increase or decrease inductance and capacitance. The frequency changes. It goes down when you increase, it goes up when you decrease. The 17" TPU has much more windings, more inductance plus it has 4 pretty good capacitors, but at least the two yellow caps to pulse the unit, because the two black ones are is series and obviously the output caps. This brings your pulsing frequency to a lower iteration. Now take the 6" TPU, much less windings, certainly much smaller capacitor, means much faster frequency. This is how I see the relationship between the different frequencies per TPU. I may have said it wrong but hopefully you get the drift. For a TPU Frequency = speed of pulsation. The differene between the LPTU and the smaller ones is the same as the flapping wings of an eagle versus a hummingbird.

As Stefan mentions, did you notice the pot control that is next to the two switches on the LTPU. Why put it there when everything else is so snugly hidden away. This for me is the delay so that both sets of toroid/control coil pairs do not pulse at the same time. If you have four control coils set in opposing pairs and each pair is in series with a toroid, a capacitor and a reed, you now have the basis for pulsing. The pot is used just to offset one of the sets so you get something resembling a circular motion.

In the 17" TPU there is a horizontal wire of at least 6 turns that starts three on the bottom, two in the middle and one on the top. This is what I call the collector. Pass a magnet over a wire. As the control coil pairs alternately pulse this creates a rotation over the collector coil. This is so basic that this would be the most complex I would expect this device to be. Or thereabouts. A virtual alternator using a single wire stator. And this falls perfectly with what we can see, or more precisely what we cannot see in the cut-away of the TPU.

The build is easy. One wire (maybe bundled litz) with six horizontal winds, four vertical 90 degree coils, two toroids, two reeds, a few caps and testing can start. Each toroid has two coils that are paralelled to make one, hence will handle more amperage. lol

If you have a vertical control coil with a long center air core, the bottom will have a different polarity then the top so your collector that is rising in the air core is being pushed and pulled at the same time from each side of the polarities. I think there is a way to double the TPU output with a simple addition. We'll see.

Last thing, notice that when I am talking about the function, I am pointing to specific parts of the TPUs and not discussing grand theories of the universe. If we keep it real, we will get the answers soon enough. Yes there may be fault in the above but it is a basis to continue relevant observations. I think the description above is close enough to start a build and work around it.

The main point here is using the magnetic field not only to move energy but also as the pulsing medium. This eliminates the need for transistors, mosfets, and drivers.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 16, 2008, 06:48:31 PM
interesting concepts wattsup,

@all

look how simple this thing is

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 16, 2008, 07:08:52 PM
And of course the open , two ring, TPU is my favorite.

Jack, can you comment on the rings?  What material , iron, conductor, or just plastic?

EM

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 16, 2008, 07:38:04 PM
Hi EM,
I guess you are wrong.
the white wire is the output coil and it goes inside all the 4 red control coils.

YOu see it where he has his thumb there a bit lower than his thumb.

So all the 4 red control coils are wound around this white wire
and rotate the field and produce the DC voltage of 91.2 Volts DC
with some 5 to 6 Khz hash on the white wire.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 16, 2008, 07:39:59 PM
I agree Stefan, but why do you say I'm "wrong"?   Did I draw something or implied a wire connection in my model?  It is just meant to duplicate the picture roughly.

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: starcruiser on April 16, 2008, 07:57:49 PM
I thought it was a pretty good pix EM.

I DL'd the video but haven't watched it yet (started the DL last night from Jason) So I am providing a seed as well, so all should grab it since my DSL connection is pretty fast as well.

So this pix was grabbed frlom the VOB file?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 16, 2008, 07:58:07 PM
Hi EM,
I think this is more like this
enclosed picture.

The white coil , if it is the output coil must just have 50 milliOhms
DC resistance, so it is probably just one single wire going inside the 4 red control coils !

The other components inside the stands are probably some capacitors to control
the 90 degrees phase shift between the 4 red control coils.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 16, 2008, 08:13:47 PM
That's an interesting concept Stefan,  I know why you say that as well. The first TPU certainly has the Collector wire and SM talked about them, but this open TPU does not "appear" to have the typical COLLECTOR wire.

This can have two implications:

1)  We can not see it well enough in the pictures, and so can assume it's there.

2)  This tells us something about the versatility of the technology, and hence will help us to identify the principles.


I tend towards the second option, but have considered the first as well.  The beauty of it is,  I have a theory like I wrote on previous postings.  If the rings are iron, they will have standing waves based on MAGNETOSTRICION acting to setup sound waves/vibrations.  This is the link to getting the MOTION  we want.   I've experimented with this and it's real. 

I should also make a statement and say I fully believe the COLLECTOR IS MADE OF IRON WIRE  OR BAILING WIRE, which explains a lot of things including the rapid heating  (hysteris losses)

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 16, 2008, 08:14:45 PM
Hey Stefan you forgot the coils are bifilar to cancel out the flux.
This is visible in the pictures too... it's two wires.

M.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 16, 2008, 08:15:54 PM
wattsup, hartiberlin  I think you are very close. I've studied what reed switch is and it can be exactly the thing that replaces electronics. It actually is much better since it behaves as saw-tooth oscillator - well, closer to DC on-off pulsing, but still its "off" transient should be sloped a bit I think due to capacitor discharge into the next pulse. Reed switch may still appear closed when capacitor is mostly discharged - it will open when magnetic field is on its minimum. So, it's clearly should be a saw-tooth voltage waveform.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 16, 2008, 08:27:32 PM
this open TPU does not "appear" to have the typical COLLECTOR wire.

This can have two implications:

1)  We can not see it well enough in the pictures, and so can assume it's there.

The construction of the open TPU implies the collector wire should be on the side invisible on the photo or it would be curved - there are blocks present that keep rings of the TPU together.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 16, 2008, 09:05:40 PM
@Guys

Let's not see who is right and wrong here. Just throw whatever you can see out there. We put out all the ingredients on the table and do the cooking later. lol

Let's get the tpus identified. I propose the following.

FTPU = First TPU he takes out of his carrying case.
OTPU = Open TPU
SPTU = His smallest round toroid type.
6TPU = His 6" toroid type.
MTPU = The one he cut.
LTPU = The biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig one

On the OPTU it is possible that the four coils are actually the collector. The two coils pulse and send out a mag field that gets concentrated over these coils by the two disks that hold in the field. All you want is a mag movement over some wires. I will take some closer looks.

@EM

Good work there.

On the FTPU, where you point to a capacitor, could this also be an oscillator.

Also the toroid has the same L-bracket metal mounting as the two on the LPTU. This says it is coming either off the self or taken from another equipment.

For some reason I am having trouble grabbing images, but if you look again at the FPTU video, look when he turns the unit over the first time, look between his two thumbs you will see there is a capacitor between the disks. You will see it again when he turns it back over. You need a quick finger on the space bar to stop it in time. lol

You can also see in the center core the white wires going from one disk to the other.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 16, 2008, 09:12:32 PM
FTPU = First TPU he takes out of his carrying case.
OTPU = Open TPU
SPTU = His smallest round toroid type.
6TPU = His 6" toroid type.
MTPU = The one he cut.
LTPU = The biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig one


yes, I like this convention.  Let's put all the ingredients on the table  :)

EM

P.S.  Regarding the FTPU,  here's a diagram of what I see, now,  how do we connect it?  :)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 16, 2008, 09:32:11 PM
here you can see the control coils is two wires.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 16, 2008, 09:45:19 PM
I think the reed switch/magnet is no more than a switch that looked cooler than a gaudy dangling toggle. Reeds have limited actuations and fail. I doubt Steven would have jeopardized demos over reeds getting close to their MTBF counts. And if magnets were of any value they would be deployed in the large unit.

Another give away regarding the magnet ruse...Listen to the audio in the garage demo of the nicer looking device sitting atop a box. As Steven places the two magnets he says something like " I am now placing the magnets into their "receptors". Receptors?!!! He might as well said "muffler bearings'. Here is a guy who knows enough to build these and uses common vernacular everywhere else in his dissertations then all of a sudden refers to receptacles as receptors. This was the subconscious mind revealing the insignificance of the magnets.

The question regarding the unit that is demonstrated atop the Sony VCR's. It is made out of an empty wire spool. The end caps are plastic and the spindle is tin or steel. The windings appear to be wound independently of the spool end caps and attached as a subassembly.

To improve the video quality someone could simply de-interlace the footage and convert it to progressive. This will take the annoying motion caused jagged edges as the fields interlace.

I can do it tomorrow night if no one has time.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 16, 2008, 09:52:01 PM
Base frequency of the TPU should be directly related to the magnetic frequency response of the control coils. If magnetic field in control coil changes too fast with the pulse there is no way magnetic fields of adjacent pulse coils will touch each other. While they should "flow" into each other in order to support rotating magnetic field. The only way to get this is to have magnetic absolute field intensity differentials of two adjacent control coils to be roughly equal halfway between the pulses - it is obvious that when magnetic field of one coil falls in intensity the magnetic field in the adjacent coil which was just pulsed rises. So, I would speculate that open TPU's two-ring frame is a ferro-magnetic material with a very slow response so that when the next pulse fires into the control coil there is still some field left from the previous pulse on the same coil. Then this magnetic field energy adds up with each pulse and may reach saturation thus limiting maximum output.

The "slower" the magnetic response of the control coil's core, the easier it will be to create a rotating magnetic field I think.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 16, 2008, 09:59:34 PM
I think the reed switch/magnet is no more than a switch that looked cooler than a gaudy dangling toggle. Reeds have limited actuations and fail. I doubt Steven would have jeopardized demos over reeds getting close to their MTBF counts. And if magnets were of any value they would be deployed in the large unit.
For prototyping reed switches should be fine. Can you offer any idea of what could be used there instead of reed switches that also "pulse"?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 16, 2008, 10:11:43 PM
Why does there need to be any mechanically induced switching or any electronic for that matter? At least one set of four coils energize in a circular or rotary fashion creating the gyroscopic phenomena in the physical world. Do the coils actually get mechanically or electronically switched? I don't think so. I do think there is a transfer of energy in a rotary fashion but how is the million dollar question.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 16, 2008, 10:16:43 PM
Why does there need to be any mechanically induced switching or any electronic for that matter? At least one set of four coils energize in a circular or rotary fashion creating the gyroscopic phenomena in the physical world. Do the coils actually get mechanically or electronically switched? I don't think so. I do think there is a transfer of energy in a rotary fashion but how is the million dollar question.
Understood. If there is no pulsing going on, I'm out of here. And sorry to flood with my 'acoustic/phonon non-equilibrium' ideas. ;) (but then again how this TPU is different from an AC motor then)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Earl on April 16, 2008, 10:29:26 PM
@All

I would like to mention that reed switches are available in both NO normally open and NC normally closed.

Essentially, all 6V auto radios used vacuum tubes and had vibrators to step up the 6V to HV for the plates.  Since SM started sweeping the floor at 13 in a TV repair shop, he may have stumbled across this vibrator concept and used it later in the first TPUs.  Actually these old HV generator vibrators are one of the coolest things I've ever run into.  Too bad I never had the chance to meet and talk to their inventor.  A DC/DC converter with no electronics from way back in the 50's.

Radio Shack would have had reed relays and by wrapping a coil around a reed relay he could have made a small vibrator HV supply.  This supply could also have had two HV outputs, one with a slight delay and a different voltage.  These two voltage waveforms go to the bifilar windings.  This transformer could be in one of the pillars holding the two plates together.

I definitely see two pillars with square ceramic magnets.  These could easily have wire wrapped around them.  Perhaps both Stefan and EM are correct.

To me the bifilar winding is made from ordinary lamp cord.

@Marco

The voltmeters used are auto ranging and if there is no voltage present on the input leads, the DVM switches to the most sensitive scale.  It is very easy to pick up noise from a TPU close by and get an indication on the meter on its 2V scale.  Therefore a reading on the meter when connected to nothing is not an indication of a fake.

Also SM probably had these square ceramic magnets in his pockets, lying around on tables, all over the place.  That one is lying on a table does not send me any alarms.

I noticed in one of the videos that after finishing a demo with one TPU he walks away from it, but before doing so turns it upside-down.  This indicates to me that there is an internal switch to turn off the internal battery [for the electronics or vibrator].

Earl
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 16, 2008, 10:39:26 PM
@JD

I like the way you think just like me about the psychology of ones actions and the possible reasons. Did you notice after he put the two magnets on the OPTU, he pressed a pushbutton. So maybe the magnet is a ruse after all.

The problem is each time he puts his magnets, the digital meter is not on yet. So he starts it up then puts on his probes. This creates the illusion of the magnets having an active role int he device.

But he made a mistake when he showed the FPTU. lol
Look at the meter when he connects the probes. He knows that meter off by heart and would not putz around so long with the selector buttons. He put the probes on, the voltage started going up around 26 but then he pushed some of the buttons to remove the voltage reading. He then put the magnet then pressed the proper meter button again to show the voltage. We could never see the meter readings in the old video. lol

Also he kept the FPTU in a carry case. Convenience yes, but that unit is totally open and would have given out many more details then he would have wanted.

OK so no magnets required. The units have push buttons or toggle switches.

And always notice he always refers "there are no batteries in this device that can produce the energy required to make the lights go on as they do" or something like that. This is a way of saying, there are  batteries but never enough to do all the work involved. lol

OK magnets are a ruse. Reeds, maybe this is why the units only last 20 minutes. The reeds burn up because of any potential arching across them. Otherwise, we have to figure out another way.

But look at what DAVE DOLESHAL says on the other thread.

QUOTE
 I confess I don?t know what a reed switch is, but I?ve seen plenty of simple magnet activated switches, so such a thing is hardly amazing. I?m not sure it was a ruse, but I am sure it offers no clue as to the inner working of the device. Steven did take pains to obscure how it worked. If he thought he was giving away some secret, he?d have never let this be filmed. Some of his devices worked merely by flipping an ordinary off/on switch. If these is real feature of the device, it?s probably more like the ability to push start an automobile. It works, but it reveals little about how to build a car.
UNQUOTE
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 16, 2008, 10:41:23 PM
Hey Stefan you forgot the coils are bifilar to cancel out the flux.
This is visible in the pictures too... it's two wires.

M.

Marco,
no it does not make any sense !
Why should it cancel out the flux of the control coil  and be bifilar?

I see in your posted picture that it could also be just the 2 wires of the
control coil going to the stand-box, where maybe a big capacitor just sits there
to do a phase shift.

The 4 coils of the OpenTPU are probably connected this way,
that 2 opposing control coils are in series with a big cap in parallel so these 4 coils plus 2 caps form
2 LC tanks which are 90 degrees out of phase (in quadrature).

So if these 2 LC tanks oscillate they generate a rotational magnet field.

Then the white single turn collector coil wire,
which is taped under the red control coils
to be hidden ( can only be seen in some places, otherwise
taped by black tape)
generates the output DC voltage.


If you remember Jack said,
SM just used these stands  from plastic loudspeaker holders,
so the spool frame where he put it all on, is just plastic all the way...
No more mystery here.

Also the 2 magnets are probably just put there to switch on
2 reed relays, that keep the 2 LC tanks disconnected from each other.

The white loose wire in the center of the OpenTPU is just there
to connect the loudspeaker type output connectors at the top to
the other output connectors at the right side.

Remember SM connects the voltmeter to the upper
loudspeaker type output connectors and the 2 bulbs to the side output connectors.

So the white wires in the center hnaging loose there are just there to make a parallel
output connection from loudspeaker type output connectors to side output connector,
nothing more...



It would be easy for e.g. Roberto to do these tests,
as he has all the required hardware.
The only thing he would have to change is use
a shiftregister pulse control setup and pulse his
control coils in a sequential order to have a rotational
magnet field for his control coils and then see the DC voltage with hash on
the output coil.
This would be the first test to see, how the DC voltage is generated.
Then we just have to find out, how we have to connect the 2 LC tanks
to the output coils and to each other to violate Lenz law and keep
the oscillation running.

It is a pretty simple circuit I guess and easy to setup,
once you know how the connections are to be made.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 16, 2008, 10:43:01 PM
"I don?t know what a reed switch is, but I?ve seen plenty of simple magnet activated switches"
Sounds like a disinformation, like reed switch is not a "simple magnet activated switch". Maybe he didn't really knew a word 'reed switch' at all.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 16, 2008, 10:55:10 PM
@Guys

Don't forget that the OTPU has a circuit board and should not be considered the same device as the others, even to the FPTU which is the first generation device. Again my image grabber is on the blink and I am trying to figure out why. It grabs the image, I can edit the image but when I save it and look at it in another program, the image is black.

@Stefan

Yes there are some wire going to the speaker terminal, but there are other white wires going to the Coil #1 and #2.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 16, 2008, 11:09:35 PM


I don't have the basics in this field but even before reading todays comments my mind is going in the same direction as wattsup and EM...that can be either good or bad :)

As I alluded to in an earlier post about the magnets adjusting or tuning reed switches.

Similarly, you guys are also speculating on the reeds having a flapping or switching action.
 
Today the words of Victor Schauberger came back to me... he spoke of the ability of the salmon to effortlessly swim up vertically up stream of quickly falling water.

Its seems to me the salmon may be vibrating their tails in harmony with the falling water, somehow neutralizing the force of the waterfall?could SM?s repositioning of the magnets be him ?tuning? the reed switch until it flutters or vibrates in tune with the frequency of passing signal ?   

Do those two harmonized frequencies combine with ether energy similar to the way in which an orchestra can produce a resonant sound.   produce usable energy

Denny Doherty of the Mamas And The Papas once described a phenomena which occurred when the group were singing in a certain range?apparently their voices combined to make it sound as if they had another person accompanying them?they even had a name for ?him? which escapes me.

No one has addressed the possible effects of twisting the litz wire, prior to making it into a coil...would doing that enhance the properties of the coil in any way ?

Hope the foregoing is of some use, or triggers an idea in someone.

Regards...




Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 16, 2008, 11:42:59 PM
I keep coming back to the same principles, some how the TPUs are related to Double Balanced Mixers, or Magnetic Amplifiers, etc..    SM did say he discovered the principle by observing interactions from a transformer core and mentioned rectifier tubes...

Here's something you might like  :)

EM

P.S.  Steven might have combined some of these topologies with capacitors and caused resonance.  Resonance and rotating magnetic fields seem to be key as well, so throw Teslas rotational magfield in this and we should be in the ball park. 

Note the title,  Magnetic amplifiers for INDUCTIVE loads,  so take the output and hook it back to the input COIL, which is inductive and we have feedback !!!  Then we will get something interesting.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: chadj2 on April 16, 2008, 11:43:21 PM
Mr Durban,

Just to save you some time if you are thinking of replicating Tesla's rotating field coil with the 2 sets of coils set up in a bucking configuration I have reproduced that experiment and noticed nothing significant. I didnt take any shortcuts on the circuit I built to replicate the signal. I first built a quadrature sine wave oscillator, then I built 2 seperate amplifier circuits to amplify both signals then finally fed them to 2 coils. If you are intersted in other observation I made with this project just let me know, or maybe if there is something you think I may have overlooked.

Chad
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 16, 2008, 11:56:33 PM
Its seems to me the salmon may be vibrating their tails in harmony with the falling water, somehow neutralizing the force of the waterfall...
From complex Fourier transform I know that every real-valued oscillation serie (e.g. acoustic wave) carries negative component of the same frequency. I always wondered myself how this fact can be utilized in a physical world. This is the same as mentally inverting compression and rarefaction areas within acoustic wave field. Probably it can be utilized.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 16, 2008, 11:58:49 PM
Why does there need to be any mechanically induced switching or any electronic for that matter? At least one set of four coils energize in a circular or rotary fashion creating the gyroscopic phenomena in the physical world. Do the coils actually get mechanically or electronically switched? I don't think so. I do think there is a transfer of energy in a rotary fashion but how is the million dollar question.

You can just do this via using the 4 coils in 2 LC circuits and have some kind of
positive feedback, so the 4 coil?s circuit will oscillate.

If the LC components are choosen right,
the magnet field inside the oscillating  2 LC tanks is just rotating.

This would work without any amplifiers or transistors or tubes,
if the wiring of the coils would violate the Lenz law and the vortex of the magnet field
would tap into the earth field somehow..

The magetic vortex then would just propell the electrons inside the output coil.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 17, 2008, 12:01:14 AM
Have any of you seen the stationary ripples that occur when you place a small obstruction in a stream of water?  (like your finger towards the top of a waterfall)   somehow ripples travel upwards but are stationary with respect to the obstruction not the moving water.  It's quite an interesting phenomena.

EM

P.S.  Stefan, a simple capacitor hooked in series to one of the LC tanks would provide the necessary 90 phase shift to cause rotation.  That's what they do in AC motors driven from 1 phase I believe.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Localjoe on April 17, 2008, 12:16:06 AM
@chadj2

No offence but i think your wrong.  I had a good 20 sheets of paper on my table earlier  patent numbers starting 381,968 next 382,279  next 381,970

Read them in that order, put out all the pictures on the table for yourself and the patent text in a seperate bunch to read and check easily.   There are         "bread crumbs" In each of these patents key words and other notations that provide the base for a tpu. 

 Look for the phrases that say things like "in this configuration the comutators can be done away with if the terminals are properly connected"   or how bout his one,  " It will be seen that the motor and generator may be wound on the same aramture .. annulus ring" If using this config with a closed ring.... steel is better suited !

  Theres plenty more but those three patents will tell you how to cunstruct it if you read closley.  Im drawing out diagrams as we speek , its hard to peice together a device from 3 patents that imply  a modification.  The way im attacking this is by highlighting all the "possible modifications" he mentions , then drawing them in my own notes to visually see the changes he describes.  You need all the patents out to follow these changes so tahts the best advice i can give you.
                                                                                                                                 Joe
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spoodily on April 17, 2008, 12:19:38 AM
In my opinion and observation I see the TPU as an evolved transformer.

Please watch this video, it's short and an informative refresher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPxdl1zpcC8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPxdl1zpcC8)

The galvanometer "kicks" in different directions, once at the introduction of current in the primary and once in the opposite direction at the primary's disconnection.

The direction of current flow and direction of the coils turns (CW or CCW) determines the coils' polarity.

The idea, I believe, behind the TPU is to take the two pulses you get (one from ON and one from OFF) from the primary coil and receive the different pulses on two different coils instead of the same one as in a conventional transformer.  The secondary receiving coils are wound in opposite directions and activated in rotation, switching between the ON-OFF pulse.

The timing would go something like this, this is one cycle:

1.  Primary pulsed ON  -> 1st receiving coil registers current pulse
2.  1st receiving coil is disconnected after equilibrium -> 2nd recieving coil is connected
3.  Primary power is disconnected -> 2nd receiving coil registers current pulse

The process is repeated for the next pulse.  The 'resonance' comes from timing the 2nd current 'kick' from the field collapse with the next incoming pulse of a primary coil.  The flow never changes even though the current does and less energy is used in the process by alternating between coils in relation to the direction of their turns and the direction of their current flow.  The primary coils will be aided in their pulses by siphoning off and reusing the energy from the previous pulse's collapse.  The trick is to receive the increasing and decreasing magnetic field on two different coils.

The 'pulses' are routed back into the primaries and capacitors to allow a maintained momentum rather than a start-stop-reverse system.  The system is AC but the bi-directional flow is rerouted down the same path by switching between alternately wound secondary coils between the ON-OFF of the pirmary.

/shrug
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: chadj2 on April 17, 2008, 12:20:12 AM
When I say I saw nothing significant I meant no additional voltage or current being generated in the pickup coil I used in the center when I moved it to various places. When I changed frequencies to speed up the rotating field it did not change the voltage. But you can try the experiment yourself if you would like. Or if you have further suggestions please let me know.

Chad
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 17, 2008, 12:28:50 AM
In all of our discussions we should not forget what SM said in the first video.

"we tune into the earth magnetic field, which has an inherent frequency"


EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: eldarion on April 17, 2008, 01:46:03 AM
The question regarding the unit that is demonstrated atop the Sony VCR's. It is made out of an empty wire spool. The end caps are plastic and the spindle is tin or steel. The windings appear to be wound independently of the spool end caps and attached as a subassembly.

I can confirm this--I was originally wondering what the "something" is that you can see in the middle of the toroid in this top view: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item40

It is so simple--I don't see any electronics anywhere beyond a capacitor.  I think this rules out batteries as a possible source of the power...

Eldarion
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 17, 2008, 02:19:13 AM
@eldarion

Do you mean the cap @EM was pointing to earlier or this one when he turns the tpu upside down. lol

Finally got the image grabber to work. Now for the fun to start.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: eldarion on April 17, 2008, 02:28:57 AM
Do you mean the cap @EM was pointing to earlier or this one when he turns the tpu upside down.

Yup, that's the one...

My question is: where the power is coming from to get the device started?  Maybe that capacitor is charged from an external source prior to the startup shown in the video, or maybe the "capacitor" is actually a AAA or AAAA battery.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: eldarion on April 17, 2008, 02:49:03 AM
But he made a mistake when he showed the FPTU. lol
Look at the meter when he connects the probes. He knows that meter off by heart and would not putz around so long with the selector buttons. He put the probes on, the voltage started going up around 26 but then he pushed some of the buttons to remove the voltage reading. He then put the magnet then pressed the proper meter button again to show the voltage. We could never see the meter readings in the old video. lol

I agree with this wholeheartedly--when he flips the FTPU over, watch the magnet (it is rather tricky--it is not in the position you might expect!).  You will see that the magnet is actually standing on end quite a distance away from the center toroid, and not touching anything other than the inert plastic disk.  That particular magnet does not appear to have any bearing on the operation of the device...

Eldarion
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 17, 2008, 02:53:17 AM

Wow there's certainly no shortage of resourceful theories here...


Is it possible the the upper and lower rings of the Graves patent found by EM (excellent research of the material BTW) may be collecting the opposing negative frequency mentioned by Aleks, and in so doing causing the primary and secondary coils to resonate and radiate energy ?



Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 17, 2008, 03:13:52 AM
"In all of our discussions we should not forget what SM said in the first video.

"we tune into the earth magnetic field, which has an inherent frequency""

Likely a harmonic of the cavity that is ideal for tapping.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 17, 2008, 03:15:36 AM
In my opinion and observation I see the TPU as an evolved transformer.

Please watch this video, it's short and an informative refresher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPxdl1zpcC8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPxdl1zpcC8)

The galvanometer "kicks" in different directions, once at the introduction of current in the primary and once in the opposite direction at the primary's disconnection.

The direction of current flow and direction of the coils turns (CW or CCW) determines the coils' polarity.

The idea, I believe, behind the TPU is to take the two pulses you get (one from ON and one from OFF) from the primary coil and receive the different pulses on two different coils instead of the same one as in a conventional transformer.  The secondary receiving coils are wound in opposite directions and activated in rotation, switching between the ON-OFF pulse.

The timing would go something like this, this is one cycle:

1.  Primary pulsed ON  -> 1st receiving coil registers current pulse
2.  1st receiving coil is disconnected after equilibrium -> 2nd recieving coil is connected
3.  Primary power is disconnected -> 2nd receiving coil registers current pulse

The process is repeated for the next pulse.  The 'resonance' comes from timing the 2nd current 'kick' from the field collapse with the next incoming pulse of a primary coil.  The flow never changes even though the current does and less energy is used in the process by alternating between coils in relation to the direction of their turns and the direction of their current flow.  The primary coils will be aided in their pulses by siphoning off and reusing the energy from the previous pulse's collapse.  The trick is to receive the increasing and decreasing magnetic field on two different coils.

The 'pulses' are routed back into the primaries and capacitors to allow a maintained momentum rather than a start-stop-reverse system.  The system is AC but the bi-directional flow is rerouted down the same path by switching between alternately wound secondary coils between the ON-OFF of the pirmary.

/shrug

This is not the the function of the OpenTPU.
Maybe you could draw up something, so we could better understand what you mean..
and for what unit it should apply.

Thanks.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 17, 2008, 03:16:30 AM

     I have a crystal radio set I want to feedback the speaker output into the antennae. Then blink a diode for a couple of weeks.   Has anybody identified the brand of tape SM uses from the new videos?  I think this may be a crucial component parameter in my build.  I'm tuning the crystal set for infra-red frequency input.  This way I can use my knowlege as to how the frequency of trips to duncan donuts coffee relates to the amount of body heat so I can get to that majic frequency of conversion.  I need the tape so I can wrap it all up and fuck with people for a couple of years.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 17, 2008, 03:17:18 AM
When I say I saw nothing significant I meant no additional voltage or current being generated in the pickup coil I used in the center when I moved it to various places. When I changed frequencies to speed up the rotating field it did not change the voltage. But you can try the experiment yourself if you would like. Or if you have further suggestions please let me know.

Chad


Chad, can you make a video of your tests and post it on youtube or simular free video services ?
Without any videos this is all hard to understand.
Seeing is believing..
Many thanks.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 17, 2008, 03:18:33 AM

     I have a crystal radio set I want to feedback the speaker output into the antennae. Then blink a diode for a couple of weeks.   Has anybody identified the brand of tape SM uses from the new videos?  I think this may be a crucial component parameter in my build.  I'm tuning the crystal set for infra-red frequency input.  This way I can use my knowlege as to how the frequency of trips to duncan donuts coffee relates to the amount of body heat so I can get to that majic frequency of conversion.  I need the tape so I can wrap it all up and fuck with people for a couple of years.

Are you drunk ???
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: nickle989 on April 17, 2008, 03:22:40 AM
Where to start .. just my thoughts ...

Looking at many of the good minds and some that a bit excentric ... Beardin, Meyers, Hamel, Bendini, Steven Marks, Dr. Stiffler, Boyce ... and I know that I have missed a few .. there does to be some commenality in all to some degree or related ... I believe in combining them together can get to the picture.

When I spoke with David Hamel a few years ago about the 3 rings he spoke of the unit trying to find equalibriam .. which it never would as he said the forces in nature would not allow it.  I asked him why I could not join 3 magnets in triangle  using the  - + -+ -+ .. the ouside - and + should join right ? .. he said can you take 3 pencils and push down on the bottom and top ones and keep the centre one from pushing out ? I replied no ... he said it is this reason ... nature only likes to join equal numbers .. or pairs .. ie 3 is a crowd.

So now if we take some of that pattern of thought and apply it to the rest of the good minds they seem to always be looking to exploit the 3rd in some manner or another to achieve the goals. 

The SM device looks like it is doing the same .. but it is harnessing and amplifing the not just the 3rd but also 1 and 2 causing what I have called for a few years now a "cascade effect" or someone else called it an avalanche (sorry not able to recall who said that)

Take 3 rectangle magnets .. put them in a tube and put them into repelling polarity ( they will never find equalibrium it may seem like the have because you can't see the quivering but it can be detected) ... take and rap 3 coils on the outside of the tube around the magnets ... place 2 flat coils on the top and bottom of the tube wound in opposite directions attatched to a coil wound in the opposite direction around a piece of steel with one end of the flat coil in the open air ... I know you will see some interesting results on the 3 coils around the tube ... what it will create is a magnet flux pulse which will then induce electric pulse ... now just tap that energy .. SM unit seems to be tuned to get there a lot quicker ... the vibration of the unit I can certainly believe. The switch certainly is interesting as this may explain on how it gets to the energy field quicker. .... hmmmm






Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: chadj2 on April 17, 2008, 03:26:18 AM
Harti,

I still have the circuit but I would have to rewind the coil which is believe it or not the easy part compared to building and troubleshooting the circuit. But like I said I didnt see anything unusual on the inside of the core. If you can think of something that I may have forgot to try that could possible result in something substantial I could rewind the core. I saw a sinewave but when I shorted the pickup coil there was only feeble current. I believe it was less than 50 mA. I used a silicon steel torroid which had a outer diameter of about 7 inches. Each coil was 145 turns and each pair was arranged in a bucking arrangement so that when ther were energized there was a external magnetic field which could be felt if you placed a magnet in the center with one of the coils energized with about 3 amps.

Chad
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 17, 2008, 03:29:34 AM
I just reviewed the new tape from Jack again several more times.
At showing the OpenTPU
at 21:19 minutes into the MPEG2 file ( I converted VOB1 and VOB2 to MPEG2 and appended them
via VOB2MPG)
SM says:
Quote:
"Again there is very very little to this device.
Wire is very important..
Coil operation in here..."
And as he says this he points with his finger to a transformer
kind of device below the loudspeaker type connector
and one can see some kind of transfomer with 2 white colored tape windings and
dark grey ferrite or iron cores.
So there is definately a transformer or 2 chokes ontop of each other down there.

This is then probably a simular transformer or 2 choke coils as he uses
in the smaller first device which he presented ontop of his videorecorder equipment.

Too bad I am not at home right now, otherwise I would
just try to pulse 4 control coils via a shiftregister and see
how much DC component voltage I would get at the output coil
and how much current I could draw from it.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: HopeForHumanity on April 17, 2008, 03:34:15 AM
JD,

Thank you for giving us some fresh information. It has been an intense and frustrating ride for the tpu crew everyone loves. I hope you realize all the years that have gone by and some how they are all still here, working on the tpu. I believe, in a sort of spiritual way, that JD's showing up to help us is a congratulations to our fortitude in hanging on over the years. Whatever it is that provided the steps we walk on, I thank you, too.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 17, 2008, 03:36:15 AM
Harti,

I still have the circuit but I would have to rewind the coil which is believe it or not the easy part compared to building and troubleshooting the circuit. But like I said I didnt see anything unusual on the inside of the core. If you can think of something that I may have forgot to try that could possible result in something substantial I could rewind the core. I saw a sinewave but when I shorted the pickup coil there was only feeble current. I believe it was less than 50 mA. I used a silicon steel torroid which had a outer diameter of about 7 inches. Each coil was 145 turns and each pair was arranged in a bucking arrangement so that when ther were energized there was a external magnetic field which could be felt if you placed a magnet in the center with one of the coils energized with about 3 amps.

Chad

Chad,
Did you get the field to rotate ?

The OpenTPU does not have any iron or silicon steel in its coils or cores,
only inside the transformer( or chokes) to make the phase shift
between the coils to get a rotational magnet field.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 17, 2008, 03:40:33 AM
"Where to start .. just my thoughts ...

Looking at many of the good minds and some that a bit excentric ... Beardin, Meyers, Hamel, Bendini, Steven Marks, Dr. Stiffler, Boyce ... and I know that I have missed a few .. there does to be some commenality in all to some degree or related ... I believe in combining them together can get to the picture."

I would move Hans Coler to the top of the list.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: chadj2 on April 17, 2008, 03:41:39 AM
Stefan,

If you mean getting the field to rotate means getting the to 90 degree phase lag signals to combine and form one sine wave I was able to do that. Well, the kinda did that on their own as long as you had the coils wound properly. The problem was that I still had the problem of inductive reactance so not much current was able to be fed into the coils as frequency increased. I also tried resonating the coils with appropriate sized capacitors which resulted in more voltage being felt by the pickup coil, but when I shorted the pickup coil it started to be reflected back to the input coils as a voltage drop.

Chad
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on April 17, 2008, 03:42:37 AM
I need the tape so I can wrap it all up and fuck with people for a couple of years.

You might try 3M #33. It was pretty common back then but I think it will screw with your infra-red  :)
Just a couple of wraps and it could keep a high electrical charge from biting you. Something you would think about if you 'got bit' a few times. The #33+ also tolerated heat very well.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 17, 2008, 03:51:44 AM
Stefan,

If you mean getting the field to rotate means getting the to 90 degree phase lag signals to combine and form one sine wave I was able to do that. Well, the kinda did that on their own as long as you had the coils wound properly. The problem was that I still had the problem of inductive reactance so not much current was able to be fed into the coils as frequency increased. I also tried resonating the coils with appropriate sized capacitors which resulted in more voltage being felt by the pickup coil, but when I shorted the pickup coil it started to be reflected back to the input coils as a voltage drop.

Chad

Chad,
again the main priciple ofthe OpenTPU I believe is this one:

(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4486.0;attach=22558)

The white single turn output coil wire just has about 50 MilliOhms DC resistance
and is just a maybe 2 to 4 mm diameter isolated stranded copper wire.

There are 4 control coils wound around it with about 10 to 12 windings.
These 4 control coils are 90 degrees phase shifted each  pair and arranged this way via a transformer or 2 chokes
at the buttom of the device, so that the Lenz law is violated and the 4 coils oscillate with about 5 to 6 Khz
which creates a rotational magnet field which induces DC voltage into the single turn white wire
output coil.

The 2 magnets are only there to confuse the people and to switch on some
reed relays inside the device that turn on the connection to the output connectors.

It is really a very simple device and we only still have to find out,
how to wire the 4 control coils together via a transformer , caps or chokes
and use positive feedback from the output coil to keep the oscillations going
and keep the magnet field rotating inside the 4 control coils.

This is why I want to try next to pulse 4 control coils via a shiftregister
to see, how much DC voltage and amperage one could get out of
the single wire output coil.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: chadj2 on April 17, 2008, 04:03:02 AM
Stefan,

The main thing I was hoping would happen with the rotating field coil was that inductive reactance would be canceled out so that I could have a strong magnetic field rotating on the inside. But the impedance was the same as if I just had 2 standard inductors carrying a sine wave so the more I increased frequency to speed up the field the less current was able to flow through the coils and the weaker the magnetic field became. One other thing I was hoping was that if I used a pickup coil in the center of the core I would be able to sidestep lenz law or render it impotent but unfortunately as I shorted the pickup coil the voltage dropped on the input coils. I had 2 oscilloscopes hooked up so I could watch all of the signals simultaneously. On another note I used to think for a long time that the permanent magnets were a ruse and simply controlling a reed switch or even worse serve no purpose at all other than to misdirect but now I am exploring some other options with static magnetic fields. There may be something to that after all but I dont want to waste peoples time with more theories. We have so many to go with already.

Chad
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 17, 2008, 05:03:07 AM
Chad, in your example there is surely a backreaction from your center output coil to
the driver coils.

But in the OpenTPU case we have 4 control coils wound perpendicular (90 degrees)
to the output coil and thus there is no back reaction.

The output current from the single turn output coil does not affect the drive power for the control coils !
That is the nice thing about it !
;)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: mikestocks2006 on April 17, 2008, 05:22:35 AM

....
The output current from the single turn output coil does not affect the drive power for the control coils !
That is the nice thing about it !
;)

So then, if a current - any current - on the single turn output coil (white wire inside the toroid, pic above) is the result of a pulse or a series of pulses on the toroid (control coils orange/yellow color), it  means that this is OU. Right?

This is then the basic operational principle of a device such as the TPU, correct?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: eldarion on April 17, 2008, 05:34:28 AM
Hi Stefan,

I have tried that configuration a while back.  Unfortunately, there is no power available on the Litz wire--for the very same reason that there would be no back-EMF in that configuration.

@all,

Look at Tesla patent number 0413353.  The output of the TPU is pulsating DC.  I think SM rectified AC to get that DC, just not with a diode.

All of the devices have at least one ferrite-cored toroid somewhere in the circuit.  I will confine my comments to the FTPU, as that is the only one I have been studying with the new videos.

That toroid is wound with two coils, one covering one half and one covering the other half.  Notice where the magnet goes--in such a position as to bias the core, possibly even saturate it.  Look at figure 6 of the Tesla patent, and also the description in the patent.

That particular winding configuration on the toroid is common in older power supplies.  They usually come with a small plastic divider that separates the two coils and runs through the middle of the core--you can see this divider if you look closely, it is white or light grey.

In all the TPUs there is a white wire going through the center of the toroid(s)--does anyone have some ideas on the function of that wire?  There also appears to be a component (possibly a reed switch) where the magnet is positioned.

See http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4486.msg90045.html#msg90045 for a picture in which you can see all of what I am describing.

Hopefully this will help things along; now we just need to figure out how the large wire loop is integrated with the little bit of remaining circuitry on top of the FTPU...

Eldarion

EDIT: I just realized something.  You know that fluctuating voltage that appears on the meter when the device has no magnet?  If the magnet was removed, the output might end up being AC, and the DC meter would not know how to interpret that, hence the wild fluctuations.  The AC might be what is generated by the rest of the circuitry up top.  I still do not understand where the energy amplification would take place, however.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: eldarion on April 17, 2008, 05:49:57 AM
More information on the collector wire...
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 17, 2008, 05:51:15 AM
Ok, I closely inspected the video and played a segment over and over and seeing the motion I realized the 3D geometry of the little unknown object below the OTPU,  FINALLY !!!!    that thing bugged me for so long.

EM

P.S.  Can somebody suggest a good program to capture frames  INTERLACED?  I want to retain as much of the information as possible so I can process it later with MatLab, and other software, and I don't want to convert to mpeg or anything else, just capture frames from the VOB file.  I'm afraid of loosing info or blurring due to the codecs, etc..
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: eldarion on April 17, 2008, 06:02:15 AM
@EMDevices,
So that's where the battery was actually hidden! :D  So what's in the hollow leg then I wonder?

@all,
Attached is yet another observation on the FTPU...

EDIT: Just realized it is impossible to read my text at this high of a compression level, so here is the hard to read part:

"The other end of the upper collector then goes to the circuitry on top.

So the + output seems to go directly to the circuitry.

Also, that is the function of the mysterious white wire going through the toroid--connect one end of the lower collector to the circuitry."
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 17, 2008, 07:12:06 AM
There are so many TPUs and each one is using a different method.

Stefan has a good idea about the OTPU but I do not see the white wire going all the way around yet.
Eldarion is doing good obs on the FTPU.
And if EM can figure out the circuit on the OPTU that would be the cherry on the cake.

Also, on the FTPU I am seeing that the end loops with the white glue are not loops. They are pancake coils (pc) with a thin wire primary over them (ahha this could also be a bailing wire). The primary are wound again as a quadrature (4 x 10-12 turns) and would suspect it is the primary that is connected to the toroids. You can see this when the unit is turned over, you will see the rim of the wire spool ends before the pc does. The pc is under the spool rim. So both pc's are facing each other on the inside of the spool ends. Also the toroid wires come from two coils. One goes to the bottom pc, the other to the top pc.

Also on the FTPU when the tpu is up, on the other side of the toroid there are two black capacitors. You can see this when he puts his fingers behind the unit to contrast the capacitor. We can call it the Back Cap(s). The size reminds me of a 100V 10mf. EM saw a small capacitor near the front right, but what if it is a 5000 cycle oscillator or a crystal. Is that possible. This is important to know. We'll call it the EM Cap. Between the EM cap and the Back Cap, there are some other things that are really hard to to see.

I think the FTPU is the closest to the Otto and Roberto 3 stack, but with only two stacks and a 10-12 turn primary .

@JD

Is this the Hans Coler you are talking about.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 17, 2008, 07:35:37 AM
Hey Stefan you forgot the coils are bifilar to cancel out the flux.
This is visible in the pictures too... it's two wires.

M.

  Why should it cancel out the flux of the control coil  and be bifilar?

Regards, Stefan.

To make the flux unidirectional.
Didn't you read the carl doc?
I can SEE two wires on many pictures yet you say it makes no sense!!!!
SUIT YOURESELF!!!!!

M.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 17, 2008, 07:36:24 AM
"@JD

Is this the Hans Coler you are talking about."

Yes. I find it intriguing that Professor Schumann was asked by British Intelligence to review Coler's work and claims.

Thinking of claims...I did a patent search on Steven's patent attorneys to see if they ever filed any control related patents on behalf of anyone related to the project and none were found. Steven's claims of having filed "hundreds" of patents is not supported at the PTO or EPO as expected. Also as one who is intimately familiar with patent law I can say with all certainty that the company Steven sold his rights to are going to have a hell of a time in trying to protect this technology.

If anyone can provide any information on UEC or whatever they are called I would like to do a background on all their officers and any I.P. filed in the past.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on April 17, 2008, 01:20:59 PM
While I have the greatest respect for the hard work done by others, I still have different opinions.
The tape reflections covering the 9v battery IMO are two common mode chokes. More on the attached.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 17, 2008, 02:27:56 PM
@EM

When I grab a frame with Snagit it is mostly at 300 DPI but sometimes I will go as high as 2400 DPI (very big image file) and this helps when I zoom in to see finer objects with Corel Photo Paint. Sometimes on the grabbed image I will make changes to brightness, contrast, gamma and other effects to see if something else can jump out of the image.

@Marco

The OPTU 4 coils could be bifilar or single wound at this stage, but BEP sees both a dual and a single wire wound, and others see differently right now. We need more observation on that. Don't take it personally because at this stage, the more we can observe, the more we can then put the pieces together later.

@BEP

We need to see under the OPTU of those coil wires. When he turns it over. I had looked at those coils for hours (on the old video) and could not make out more then a single wire wound. Some of the single wire turns are closer together while others have a little space that would simply be a normal imperfection for a manually wound coil over such a rectangular disk structure. Plus when the two lights are on, this increases the shadow effect over the wires to see it better.

About the piezo switch idea, are there standard components like you mention that you can post here.

@JD

I brought up the 100 patents thing recently. I mean why would he confirm on a video used for attracting investors, that there are over 100 patents on the TPU, when it is obviously very easy for anyone to verify this. Weird.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 17, 2008, 02:39:51 PM
I brought up the 100 patents thing recently. I mean why would he confirm on a video used for attracting investors, that there are over 100 patents on the TPU, when it is obviously very easy for anyone to verify this. Weird.
Maybe SM went nuts from his TPUs? It's such a beliefs explosion if this thing works.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 17, 2008, 02:43:55 PM
About the piezo switch idea, are there standard components like you mention that you can post here.

Will this help? http://www.piezoswitch.com/about_switches.html

You may glue a piece of permanent magnet on the switch and I guess it will work as a finger when in magnetic field. Note that from the specs piezo switch outputs rectangular pulse. No mechanical wearing.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: innovation_station on April 17, 2008, 04:04:51 PM
hello all

just read the thred for the first time ...

i dont need those vids i think a few tesla pattends speeks volumes on how this works....

@joe  ;)    im pretty sure you hammered it this time  :)   

but as i have been saying all along  this is the device of 1000 styles...

no i have not made a working unit   how ever  i think repelling magnets play the biggest role  ;)
 
@ supersam what are you shoping for?

@whatsup

dont those cores in the coler convertor look like bar magnets arranged in an alternating fashion and biased to the coils from north to south  hummm   i have a unit started in a build a little diffrent but close to the same idea also i was going looking for some bar magnets too today  to reproduce that coil

but my problem is i am working on way too many things .....

just finished my 6 channel audio bucket it will be a dubble heterodyine smasher  it consists of 6 speekers 3 2 channel 4ohm car audio amps and 3 laptops just like audio henge but 2x


i might post some pics   im not sure yet

does anyone know of a calculator to calucluate resistance of a wire for the length and gage of that wire ??  i was thinking of useing 28ga solid but i want my coil to have a resisitance of 4ohms so just wondering ....   how long  the wire should be   or

if i have a wire 132' long what gage of wire would i need to have a 4ohm total resistance on that length of wire ?

yea well im no EE so for me to figure this out on my own is a waste of time

ist

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 17, 2008, 04:16:06 PM
good observations BEP,  the twin lead wire certainly seems split towards the left side.  Just because there is a bifilar winding on there, doesn't mean much, he probably used whatever wire he had laying around, and it certainly makes the winding process much faster, with each loop you get two wires, so later you can hook them in series, or maybe the bifilar nature is important, we'll see...

I did a rough measurement of the "9V battery" I see and it might seem slightly smaller (I compared with his fingers and my fingers and a 9V battery)   It sure looks like it though, and he admits there is a 9V battery there.  I'm not trying to say it's a fake device by any means,  I was just glad to identify the objects down there, it buged me for so long no knowing what it was.

@Jack
Quote
Yes. I find it intriguing that Professor Schumann was asked by British Intelligence to review Coler's work and claims.

very interesting, I did not know that. Perhaps we should explore this angle some more.

@wattsup

thanks, I'll try Snagit, see how it works. I was using Nero to view the VOBs and apparently it's a 30 day free trial of sorts on some of the functionality, and the capture function was so mysterious, they went to great lengts to prevent people from even using the Printscreen function. I'm just looking for a very good piece of software that I can buy, I want ease of use and lots of functionality (and a resonable price too)   :)

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spoodily on April 17, 2008, 04:37:24 PM
good observations BEP,  the twin lead wire certainly seems split towards the left side.  Just because there is a bifilar winding on there, doesn't mean much, he probably used whatever wire he had laying around, and it certainly makes the winding process much faster, with each loop you get two wires, so later you can hook them in series, or maybe the bifilar nature is important, we'll see...



The two secondary wires are not both closed loop at the same time.  One is open so that it will be invisible to the magnetic field while the other receives the incoming magnetic flux from the primary's pulse.  They switch for the field's collapse so the wire that was invisible receives the collapsing magnetic field and the first wire is now invisible to the system.

Like a transformer, only the AC current is split into two kicks on two seperate wires giving a DC flow.  Batteries/Caps pulse into a primary with DC, it gets run through the tranformer process and spits out two DC pulses where ever you need them to go.  The pulse 'slaps' timed with the recycled pulse will keep the momentum up.  I'll even say that a set of secondaries also function as primaries, firing in rotation around the ring.  Eight wires: 4 primary/secondary and 4 secondary.  One set goes to output, the other get routed internally to batteries/caps/primaries.

Those torroid coils with the white wire running through them are switching mechanisms, the wire is picking up the opening and closing of current and sending the two pulses to a "galvanometer" switch controller.

Not all the secondary wires in the system are closed at the same time, this would cause excess resistance.  Keep in mind their direction of turn and their current travel in relation to magnetic flux.

SM said it take more energy to accelerate a car to 60 mph than it does to maintain the speed...
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: eldarion on April 17, 2008, 05:11:28 PM
The two secondary wires are not both closed loop at the same time.  One is open so that it will be invisible to the magnetic field while the other receives the incoming magnetic flux from the primary's pulse.  They switch for the field's collapse so the wire that was invisible receives the collapsing magnetic field and the first wire is now invisible to the system.

Like a transformer, only the AC current is split into two kicks on two seperate wires giving a DC flow.  Batteries/Caps pulse into a primary with DC, it gets run through the tranformer process and spits out two DC pulses where ever you need them to go.  The pulse 'slaps' timed with the recycled pulse will keep the momentum up.  I'll even say that a set of secondaries also function as primaries, firing in rotation around the ring.  Eight wires: 4 primary/secondary and 4 secondary.  One set goes to output, the other get routed internally to batteries/caps/primaries.

Those torroid coils with the white wire running through them are switching mechanisms, the wire is picking up the opening and closing of current and sending the two pulses to a "galvanometer" switch controller.

Not all the secondary wires in the system are closed at the same time, this would cause excess resistance.  Keep in mind their direction of turn and their current travel in relation to magnetic flux.

SM said it take more energy to accelerate a car to 60 mph than it does to maintain the speed...

This is interesting.  Which wires would you consider as the primary and which as the secondary?

The reason I ask is that it has been proven over and over that there is no magnetic coupling between what has been called the "collector" and the 90-degree coils wound over them.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spoodily on April 17, 2008, 05:48:15 PM
The two secondary coils are not both closed loop at the same time.  One is open so that it will be invisible to the magnetic field while the other receives the incoming magnetic flux from the primary's pulse.  They switch for the field's collapse so the wire that was invisible receives the collapsing magnetic field and the first wire is now invisible to the system.

Like a transformer, only the AC current is split into two kicks on two seperate wires giving a DC flow.  Batteries/Caps pulse into a primary with DC, it gets run through the tranformer process and spits out two DC pulses where ever you need them to go.  The pulse 'slaps' timed with the recycled pulse will keep the momentum up.  I'll even say that a set of secondaries also function as primaries, firing in rotation around the ring.  Eight wires: 4 primary/secondary and 4 secondary.  One set goes to output, the other get routed internally to batteries/caps/primaries.

Those torroid coils with the white wire running through them are switching mechanisms, the wire is picking up the opening and closing of current and sending the two pulses to a "galvanometer" switch controller.

Not all the secondary wires in the system are closed at the same time, this would cause excess resistance.  Keep in mind their direction of turn and their current travel in relation to magnetic flux.

SM said it take more energy to accelerate a car to 60 mph than it does to maintain the speed...

This is interesting.  Which wires would you consider as the primary and which as the secondary?

The reason I ask is that it has been proven over and over that there is no magnetic coupling between what has been called the "collector" and the 90-degree coils wound over them.



There is no "collector" run under any wires.  There are two secondaries that receive the expansion and collapse of the magnetic field produced by the pulse of a primary.  The two secondary coils are not closed loop at the same time, even though they look bifilar wound or run together.  One receives the increasing field, one receives the collapse.  This normally would be recieved on the same coil in a transformer but we don't want AC current, we want DC.  Collecting a pulse of current that is complimentary to the pulse about to be sent would be beneficial.

The four white wires seem to lead to and from one main location, only two of the wires actually lead out from the 'hub'.  The white wires are not for collecting energy, just guiding its flow.  The terminal is a switching station.  Inside that little 'speaker' thing people keep talking about is probably a torroid device like in the other models.  It acts like a galvanometer to control the switching between the secondaries and timing the firing of the primaries.

This is my opinion on it, I'm just sharing what I've been thinking about recently.  I have no gear to test anything, so theory is all I have.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: starcruiser on April 17, 2008, 07:09:23 PM
In the OTPU, I think I saw the torrid in one of the legs covered with some tape or cardboard. need to see if I can do a screen grab.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: M@rcel on April 17, 2008, 07:26:04 PM
Regarding HV vibrators, I came across the following links:
http://www.electronixandmore.com/project/1.html
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9A00E2DD133FE233A2575AC1A96E9C946496D6CF&oref=slogin

Probably far OT as most of my posts but then perhaps not...  ::)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 17, 2008, 07:49:47 PM
after close examination of the LTPU (large one) and the FTPU  (first one)  and some logical reasoning, I deduced the following schematic, (to couple the AC from the COLLECTOR loop to the CONTROL helix coil, and have the DC available at the output, the other capacitor blocks DC so the helix won't short out since the phenomena that creates the DC would also affect the helix most likely, i.e. a rotational magnetic field of sorts)

Note:  this is just half the symetery, obviously there are two stacks, however, SM did say that the multiple collector coils can be hooked in PARALLEL, or SERIES, to increase the current or voltage capability, respectively. What puzzles me about the FTPU is that I don't see the 4 segments to produce a rotational mag field, (there seem to be 4 sectors, but it's just because of the black electrical tape holding down the coils to the spool, and only one shows a wire underneath it)

we have a ton of work ahead of us..

EM

P.S.  Who was that guy that produced DC at a particular frequency with a simular setup (although he lumped his coils in 3 sectors)  That was interesting since the DC showed up at a particular frequency only.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spoodily on April 17, 2008, 08:01:44 PM
Regarding HV vibrators, I came across the following links:
http://www.electronixandmore.com/project/1.html
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9A00E2DD133FE233A2575AC1A96E9C946496D6CF&oref=slogin

Probably far OT as most of my posts but then perhaps not...  ::)

Not OT, good info.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 17, 2008, 08:07:24 PM

 @Marco

The OPTU 4 coils could be bifilar or single wound at this stage, but BEP sees both a dual and a single wire wound, and others see differently right now. We need more observation on that. Don't take it personally because at this stage, the more we can observe, the more we can then put the pieces together later.

 

It's obvious....
Just look at the pictures.
And read the carl doc.

M.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 17, 2008, 08:20:37 PM
One thing to consider when evaluating this technology that cannot be overlooked or discounted is semantics and jargoneering. When evaluating statements made from SM or others even here in this forum one has to consider the authenticity or accuracy of the terms used. More specifically when listening to SM or reading his alleged communications with others here you have to take into consideration the awareness level or sphere of influence of the person. In SM's case if his technical awareness is mostly from an era gone by when vacuum tubes ruled the day, his words moreover his terminology should be dissected and parsed for modern day equivalence. In other words don't get too focused on terms like "collector coil" as they may not be accurate terms in the modern era. If SM was schooled in vacuum tube theory, the predecessor to the transistor and FET then one must consider that his sphere of influence is vacuum tube theory and therefore he sees the world from a prism different than that of an engineer schooled in the modern era. Therefore in summary do not take SM's terminology verbatim, parse and translate and you might that his terminology may make more sense.

A "collector coil" for all we know could mean something quite different to a "tube" guy!
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 17, 2008, 08:28:09 PM
@Spoodily

Your idea has merit. We will see. Maybe try to make a diagram would help.

@M@rcel

Good posts. I like the nytimes article.

@EM

If you look at the FTPU you will notice that the white glue is set in 1/4 sections. So between each white section is a black or open section. But where each section start starts or ends the primary (your blue wire) goes towards the center. You can see it when the image is close up near the open section.   So the coil is not at the end of the sppol rim because you can see the spool rim is shorter then the coiling underneath.

That's why he used the white glue to cover the primary wire but stopped when the primary went inwards from each end, so he did not have to put white glue in the open sections.

So the FTPU, as far as I can see has a total of 8 Primary 1/4 sections, 4 on top and 4 on the bottom.

Again I think the center of the primary is a pancake coil and the pancake coil is going to the output side.

Now if we extend this to the OTPU, if the four coils were bifilar, this would also make 8 primaries.

I will try to grab a few images on this when I get back home.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 17, 2008, 08:31:33 PM
that's so true Jack,  in fact it reminds me of an old timer that read SMs messages (I think it was John Bedini) and he imediatley noticed the "control" coil that SM refers to, is the same or simular to a coil in magnetometers.    I guess we need to understand the man's background and put it all in perspective.   good point

@wattsup,  interesting, I'll study that some more when I get home.

@marco,  yes I've seen those wires before as well, with a bit more processing we'll be able to put it all together and make a nice schematic.

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 17, 2008, 08:52:46 PM

 @Marco

The OPTU 4 coils could be bifilar or single wound at this stage, but BEP sees both a dual and a single wire wound, and others see differently right now. We need more observation on that. Don't take it personally because at this stage, the more we can observe, the more we can then put the pieces together later.

 

It's obvious....
Just look at the pictures.
And read the carl doc.

M.

One wire carries pulses and the other is a collector?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 17, 2008, 09:10:52 PM

 @Marco

The OPTU 4 coils could be bifilar or single wound at this stage, but BEP sees both a dual and a single wire wound, and others see differently right now. We need more observation on that. Don't take it personally because at this stage, the more we can observe, the more we can then put the pieces together later.

 

It's obvious....
Just look at the pictures.
And read the carl doc.

M.

One wire carries pulses and the other is a collector?

That can be the case.
But i would say the other wire is to cancel out part of the flux so the result travels in one direction.
I came to this conclusion because Steven said "disable the effects of the flux" and after reading the carl doc.

M.



Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on April 17, 2008, 09:17:11 PM

I came to this conclusion because Steven said "disable the effects of the flux" and after reading the carl doc.


Which "flux" is he refering to?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 17, 2008, 09:20:39 PM
But i would say the other wire is to cancel out part of the flux so the result travels in one direction.
It may cancel out a part of the flux induced by pulses only if it carries the same signal in an opposite direction. If that's the case, where is the load collector? Beside that cancelling the flux created by pulses will obviously nullify any magnetic induction so there won't be any magnetic field building up.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 17, 2008, 09:21:47 PM
Marco and Grumpy, here's what SM said in regards to this

Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire because of magnetic flux. what if you disable the effects of the flux?

I would not put so much faith in his explanations, notice it is a retorical question.  I'm no quantum physicist but I can tell you electrons don't travel fast through wires for other reasons, not simply magnetic flux. His main point in all of this seemed to be the addition of energies, with the analogy of bullets or cannons firing from each other, the analogy being to voltage adition or pulse addition

EM

P.S.   I was browsing some of the old threads and this should not be forgoten, (effects in iron wire). I need to do more digging on this.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4224.msg80526.html#msg80526

When a circuit
consisting partly of a straight iron wire, and containing a battery, is
closed, the current is at first smaller than the normal current, through
what is termed an " extra current," in opposition to the main current.
On opening the circuit on the other hand, the current is greater than
the normal, the " extra current '' being in the same direction with
the main current.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 17, 2008, 09:26:11 PM
@EM

Oh yes Bedini...Mr. "Radiant Energy" Sounds like an Avon product. We wonder why most mainstream engineers run when they hear this stuff.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on April 17, 2008, 09:30:13 PM
How does all of this fit with SM's comment that Tao "has the secret" - which supports an RE explanation:

Quote
I want to mention about something I read on the site.
A person named TAO wrote this to you a while back:
 
>As a gesture of good faith towards you and the rest I'll throw out some insights...
Lets talk about the 'kick.' When the old Edison DC generators were turned on, back in the day, they released this 'kick' and killed many workers in the process. A man by the name of Tesla had seen this. He wondered how and why this 'kick' would occur. So he experimented with wire and disruptive discharges from capacitors. It was found by him that this kick could be made so powerful that it could explode wires instantly. This kick came out of the wires perpendicularly. He discharged capacitors into stout wire and through a spark gap. The key to the kick's strength and appearance was in how fast Tesla discharged the capacitors into the spark gap AND how fast Tesla STOPPED the flow of current AT the spark gap. Tesla used all types of devices to stop this flow of current, magnets, a flame, counter-rotating engines. His goals were to get the time in which the discharge is STOPPED to be much quicker. As Tesla did this he found that the perpendicular radiations, the ones from the wires, caused electrical effects to appear in wires and other copper/metal materials near the STOPPED current/discharge. These electrical effects could be made to create electrons on other wires and copper around his STOPPED current/discharge wire.

So, based on those things, lets look at the Mark device. Lets say Steven put one big stout cable around or in the rings,and all around these he had many many windings. Now, if Steven put into that stout cable a current and before the current could get to the end of the wire, he stopped it's flow abruptly, then perpendicular radiations (the KICKS), the same Tesla observed, would appear and spread from this stout cable, this would cause Tesla'a copper charging effect, which would hit all the other wires in Steven's coils. Now, if Steven wired the coils right and stopped the discharge of the current through the coils he would be able to extract a lot of extra energy from the tap points on the coils. This is basically how Tesla's magnifying transmitter works.

Capacitors discharged ABRUPTLY into a wire, then the current flow is stopped ABRUPTLY before the current makes it to the end of the wire, and this KICK comes out of the wires perpendicularly. This KICK would then charge copper with electrons(hot electricity) or their opposites(cold electricity). It just depends on how you setup the device.

So, I would say that Steven's KICKS have a direct relationship to Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter, its REAL operation.<
 
So Lindsay, this guy definitely has the secret. I do not know if he will be able to duplicate power generation, but he does have the secret.
Do you think he knows it?
The only part he doesn't have any idea about is that by starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation.
Lindsay, it is so VERY hard to describe things with words!
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 17, 2008, 09:33:14 PM
But i would say the other wire is to cancel out part of the flux so the result travels in one direction.
It may cancel out a part of the flux induced by pulses only if it carries the same signal in an opposite direction. If that's the case, where is the load collector? Beside that cancelling the flux created by pulses will obviously nullify any magnetic induction so there won't be any magnetic field building up.

Hey i said PART of the flux.
Fire up a coil and disconnect it.
Then you have movement in TWO directions.
We don't want this cause we want movement in ONE direction.
So we need to cancel out one half of the cycle.
People say this cannot be done because we will always have this opposing force.
I am sure you know what law i am reffering to.
Pherhaps cancelling out isn't the right name.
It should have been called "redirected feedback"
Collect the opposing force, and at the same time feed it back in only from the other side of the second coil.
It will still be there and it will still be opposite but it will create the apperance as it is moving in one direction.
At least that is what i could see.

M.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 17, 2008, 09:35:49 PM
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Oh yes Bedini...Mr. "Radiant Energy" Sounds like an Avon product. We wonder why most mainstream engineers run when they hear this stuff.

LOL   :D  :D   

yeah, I don't buy all his theories,  I've wasted too much time with his concepts in the past.

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on April 17, 2008, 09:36:53 PM
Perhaps it is just a creative way of saying to use a unidirectional pulse.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on April 17, 2008, 09:39:40 PM
to cancel on half of the cylce may also mean to "quench" the pulse - in which you cut it at max amplitude - just like old damped impulse excited radio circuits.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 17, 2008, 09:44:05 PM


"Then the white single turn collector coil wire,
which is taped under the red control coils
to be hidden ( can only be seen in some places, otherwise
taped by black tape)
generates the output DC voltage."

Is everyone in agreement that the output is not D.C. but A.C. ?

The TPU output is not rectified. The meter may have shown DC but that's due to the meter's inability to process (compute RMS) the fast 5-6 khz AC waveform. In fact Steven's measurements may have been way off if he relied solely on cheap DVM's as a means of measuring outputs. The actual outputs could be estimated by modeling the measurement factoring the inherent DVM error.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spider on April 17, 2008, 09:46:27 PM
Hello All,

I have been following this forum for a few months now and I think the progress is great the last weeks.
After reading this topic I downloaded the hires vids and watched them.
Nice Work!

greeting form the netherlands, Rene
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 17, 2008, 09:47:40 PM


"Then the white single turn collector coil wire,
which is taped under the red control coils
to be hidden ( can only be seen in some places, otherwise
taped by black tape)
generates the output DC voltage."

Is everyone in agreement that the output is not D.C. but A.C. ?


I think so too Jack

Like Pulsed DC and with some RF Hash.
M.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 17, 2008, 09:49:35 PM
to cancel on half of the cylce may also mean to "quench" the pulse - in which you cut it at max amplitude - just like old damped impulse excited radio circuits.
That SM's text you've quoted fully corresponds to varying duty-cycle square waves. Though I do not believe that with reed switches SM (he should have been using them at least initially) could achieve anything close to square waves. Spark gap, for example, "stops" the current pretty quickly by itself. It is what Tesla used most of the time it seems. Capacitors - when connected abruptly also discharge quickly, in a logarithmic manner AFAIK. This is close to spark gap and resembles a saw-tooth wave.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 17, 2008, 11:10:37 PM
One fact to consider... It seems that somebody in Russia made a similar device. I can't find a relevant URL, but I've visited that page once. What was interesting is that some group of guys built a cubic feet-sized device which produced 10kW of power at 5kHz AC. The guys were referring to "tapping energy from earth magnetic field". (just so that you know I'm Russian myself).
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 17, 2008, 11:14:43 PM

 @Marco

The OPTU 4 coils could be bifilar or single wound at this stage, but BEP sees both a dual and a single wire wound, and others see differently right now. We need more observation on that. Don't take it personally because at this stage, the more we can observe, the more we can then put the pieces together later.

 

It's obvious....
Just look at the pictures.
And read the carl doc.

M.

Yes,I have seen the 2 wires myself, but thought the 2nd might be just the return wire from the other end ?

Please post the exact URL for the "CARL doc". I have not read it yet.
Many thanks.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 17, 2008, 11:22:10 PM
@JD

If that is the case, why the hell did nobody see this a year ago. Can't be. I have a setup on the Tesla Project thread that is taking 12vdc and producing 1400 vdc with pulsing dc into transformers and maybe 3-4 vac. Man, what you just said would be a major bang up. I don't know. Mommy.........

@Spider

Nice drawing and idea. I have been thinking of testing something like that also but before you get into so many coils, I would like to try it with only two 3-way reeds as show on this recent post here;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3972.msg84982.html#msg84982
By the way if you look up manufacturers specifications for reed switches, you will be very surprised and the type of information they provide. Very revealing.

@EM

In the FTPU if I am correct about the pancake coils, @allcanadian has a thread open on the Tesla 512340 Patent that may be extremely relevant.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4504.msg90138.html#msg90138





Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 17, 2008, 11:29:48 PM
Still no other VOB files over here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=bcb5de0bd0f181ea8c9e7c56ba37815f5a52c02ec6da2cd7

Couldn?t somebody please upload VOB file 3 to 5 to another download host like
rapidshare.de or megaupload.com please ?

I don?t want to use the torrent cause I don?t want to redownload the 2 GB again,
which I already have from the 2 first VOB files.

Many thanks.

P.S: Jack,
do you also have a high resolution version of the other videos
like the video where all the investors have a look at the
devices and where they also power a TV set and drill(saw?) and
vacuum cleaner ?

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 17, 2008, 11:39:52 PM
Still no other VOB files over here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=bcb5de0bd0f181ea8c9e7c56ba37815f5a52c02ec6da2cd7

Couldn?t somebody please upload VOB file 3 to 5 to another download host like
rapidshare.de or megaupload.com please ?

I don?t want to use the torrent cause I don?t want to redownload the 2 GB again,
which I already have from the 2 first VOB files.

Many thanks.

P.S: Jack,
do you also have a high resolution version of the other videos
like the video where all the investors have a look at the
devices and where they also power a TV set and drill(saw?) and
vacuum cleaner ?



Stefan, VOB5 is blank, and VOB4 has only about 20 seconds, and it's not worth bothering with.

It would be good if Jack had the other videos too.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 17, 2008, 11:40:16 PM
From the "You likely already thought of this" file...

Time to create a dynamic table or spreadsheet to aggregate findings into categories like...

1. FACT supported by testing.

2. FACT supported by visual interpretation.

3. Opinion supported by vote of XXX votes...

Etc. , Etc.

In other words to now take all existing data proven and unproven and boil it all down into categorized groups that can range from FACT to varying degrees of plausibility will yield enough visibility to see where there is agreement and disagreement on issues at this time.

The reason for this is that I see enough varying and diametrically opposed views on issues that after this much time would have enjoyed much more consensus.

Such a table or database would open the way to consensus at least to the degree permitting the focus on critical issues and assigning of tasks.

Forgive me if this is old news...
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 17, 2008, 11:56:26 PM


Stefan, VOB5 is blank, and VOB4 has only about 20 seconds, and it's not worth bothering with.

It would be good if Jack had the other videos too.

And what about VOB file 3 ?
What is on this file to see ?


Jack any more video you posess ?
Can you please still name the other persons you know from the videos ?
Why haven?t they come forward yet ?
There must have been many people in contact
with Steven Mark during this period and many investors must have seen
the devices, so why is nobody else coming forward ?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: chadj2 on April 17, 2008, 11:58:13 PM
Mr, Durban,

That is a good idea about having observations in some sort of organized format. However, I think there is a lot more theories that actual experimentation going on here. I do a bit of experimentation but I go in directions that others aren't really interesting in right now. On another topic, I was wondering if you are absolutely or 98 percent or more certain that SM was using permanent magnets only to control reed switches? Is there a possibility that he was manipulating a magnetostatic field either permanent or electromagnetic by some means? I used to think for a long time that the permanent magnets were a ruse but now I am starting to have second thoughts.

Chad
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 17, 2008, 11:58:51 PM
P.S. Did nobody from the investors or other people take high resolution still pictures ?

Why do we have to rely on unsharp interlaced video, when there might be possibly some
photos of the devices in somebody?s posession ?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 18, 2008, 12:18:04 AM
I am making another DVD this weekend that will be edited and deinterlaced without degradation. I have a full broadcast quality edit bay. The entire process is digital. There is only about 15 to 20 minutes of real content so I will be able to put it up in 100meg files on my rapidshare account which is free to you on the download side.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: powerunlimited on April 18, 2008, 12:23:27 AM
This question is for  Mr Jack Durban,given the devious nature of SM
I believe your assessment of him is correct.Given that,
what he has said can not be
taken as absolute truth.
Is the output of the TPU ,dc at 5khz to 6khz.
Was a scope or a frequency counter ever used on any TPU to check this,
or is this solely SM saying its
Dc at 5khz to 6khz.
In one video he connects the meter backwards and it shows a minus reading this confirms
its polarized, its dc voltage but thats all I see.

Thanks for the video!!!
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Jdo300 on April 18, 2008, 12:26:35 AM
Hi Stefan,

I am going to upload the rest of the VOB files to the folder soon. I'm still seeding the torrent for just a bit longer until the last three or four people finish downloading, then I'll shut it down and up the rest of the files to the MediaFire folders.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: FatBird on April 18, 2008, 12:47:54 AM
Dear Mr. Durban,

Thank you very much for your contributions & help.

Is it possible for you to sell a Hi Res DVD or CD  to those of us having trouble downloading the files?  I think a lot of us would be glad to just buy it from you.


Thank you sir.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: scraven on April 18, 2008, 12:57:54 AM
One thing to consider when evaluating this technology that cannot be overlooked or discounted is semantics and jargoneering. When evaluating statements made from SM or others even here in this forum one has to consider the authenticity or accuracy of the terms used. More specifically when listening to SM or reading his alleged communications with others here you have to take into consideration the awareness level or sphere of influence of the person. In SM's case if his technical awareness is mostly from an era gone by when vacuum tubes ruled the day, his words moreover his terminology should be dissected and parsed for modern day equivalence. In other words don't get too focused on terms like "collector coil" as they may not be accurate terms in the modern era. If SM was schooled in vacuum tube theory, the predecessor to the transistor and FET then one must consider that his sphere of influence is vacuum tube theory and therefore he sees the world from a prism different than that of an engineer schooled in the modern era. Therefore in summary do not take SM's terminology verbatim, parse and translate and you might that his terminology may make more sense.

A "collector coil" for all we know could mean something quite different to a "tube" guy!

his "collector coil" looks suspiciously like an AM Loop Antenna to me... Maybe we have the input/output side of things the wrong way around?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: nickle989 on April 18, 2008, 01:01:31 AM
When I was watching the videos last nite ... SM did say the it would look like DC but it was actually AC at 6000 Hz .. I believe this was when he was just starting to plug the TV.

This will at least give the waveform.

When he places the square magnets in .. it looks like a rectangle magnet on the attraction side .. as the square does not repel ... this would certainly provide a unique magnetic flux in the area and might provide a sling shot effect on the coil
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spoodily on April 18, 2008, 01:12:47 AM
This question is for  Mr Jack Durban,given the devious nature of SM
I believe your assessment of him is correct.Given that,
what he has said can not be
taken as absolute truth.
Is the output of the TPU ,dc at 5khz to 6khz.
Was a scope or a frequency counter ever used on any TPU to check this,
or is this solely SM saying its
Dc at 5khz to 6khz.
In one video he connects the meter backwards and it shows a minus reading this confirms
its polarized, its dc voltage but thats all I see.

Thanks for the video!!!


The system has 5-6000 Off-On-Off pulses per second.  This does not mean that one coil is producing all of the pulses in rapid succession, the pulses could be divided among several primary coils.

The system is pulsed DC fed into a transformer that has seperate secondary coils to receive half of the off-on-off pulse.  The use of two independant secondaries makes what would be an AC tranformer into two DC outputs.

The direction of the turns of the primary also affects the coils polarity in relation to its direction of current.  You can fire an "AC" system down different coils to maintain a continued flow of polarity.  All that really matters is that there is an increasing and decreasing magnetic field for the secondaries to see.

If you know that a current will be induced in a secondary coil during both the turning on and off of the primary you can use it to your advantage.  The diameter of the ring (the unit itself) is in relation to the frequency because you are trying to time the "kicks" seen on a galvanometer with new pulses.  The 'march' of current will aid itself.

Look what Tesla was getting into with resonators and standing waves (look at the power of cavitation-implosion of water and 2000 degree temps, just from vibrating a standing wave).  He was talking about knocking down a whole building or bridge by catching the rebounding wave with a fresh one.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 18, 2008, 01:20:31 AM
 :)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 18, 2008, 02:12:25 AM
Again,
what is on VOB 3 and can somebody please upload it ?
Many thanks in advance.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 18, 2008, 02:45:17 AM
By the way, if the Reed Relays would be really used to pulse the circuit
mechanically via vibration, the output would not be this steady.

You would see much more flickering and a Reed Relay can not reach 5 to 6 Khz,
maybe just 200 Hz , either  much less in switching rate...

So it is no way that SM used any Reed Relays in a mechanically selfoscillary mode.

Also you would have heard the switching noise from the moving reed metals...so no way he used these
as oscillators..
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spoodily on April 18, 2008, 02:48:39 AM
Again,
what is on VOB 3 and can somebody please upload it ?
Many thanks in advance.

If you have VOB 1 and 2 you have everything.  The other VOBs are the same footage as in 1&2 but rewound and paused at certain points.  They look to be just notations for the person that recorded it.  I think J. D. mentioned that he wanted to go over it a couple times to make sure he got all the picture and sound he was looking for.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 18, 2008, 03:06:57 AM
The issue of DC vs AC output is quite important and needs to be sorted out.

In the LTPU video,  towards the end he says something like  "a 800 Volt DC system",  than Dr Schwinzinger mentions DC measurements in his reports,  however on the contrary, in the OTPU video I believe he says it's DC, then says "actually it has 6000 Hz..." something rather.

Another unrelated observation, regarding rotation,  notice that in the FTPU video,  now we can see his hand mimic rotation just like in the OTPU video, quite interesting...  he has a concept that something rotates, "the turbine effect" he referred to perhaps.

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 18, 2008, 03:48:25 AM
The issue of DC vs AC output is quite important and needs to be sorted out.

In the LTPU video,  towards the end he says something like  "a 800 Volt DC system",  than Dr Schwinzinger mentions DC measurements in his reports,  however on the contrary, in the OTPU video I believe he says it's DC, then says "actually it has 6000 Hz..." something rather.

Another unrelated observation, regarding rotation,  notice that in the FTPU video,  now we can see his hand mimic rotation just like in the OTPU video, quite interesting...  he has a concept that something rotates, "the turbine effect" he referred to perhaps.

EM

  What if you built a device like this and at the moment it could not run anything with an AC motor in it. Would you say "My device outputs AC power"?  or would you say " My device outputs DC power"?

This comes down to skillful risk management. If my device can't run inductive loads I am going to say it is a DC output device. Why? It's simple. If asked if I can demo a motorized device I can say "no this version is DC only" The AC version is in the lab. See it is an escape clause of sorts.

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 18, 2008, 04:06:36 AM
ac or dc, which is it?

neither, it's pc, pulsed current

see, it's all semantics. listen to what he says, that's what it is. what you want to call it after that is not important.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Mr.Entropy on April 18, 2008, 04:15:38 AM
This comes down to skillful risk management. If my device can't run inductive loads I am going to say it is a DC output device. Why? It's simple. If asked if I can demo a motorized device I can say "no this version is DC only" The AC version is in the lab. See it is an escape clause of sorts.

Or you could tell the truth and say that the induction motor won't run on 6KHz.  I like to think it's DC, because DC is interesting.   For example:

It's well known now that big currents in ferromagnetic materials can push magnetic domain walls around. (google domain wall dragging)   It's not unreasonable to expect a reciprocal effect, that a propagating change in magnetization could push electrons around.  After all, when a domain wall passes a spin-polarized electron, the electron has two choices -- it can either flip or move.

If a rotating field like the one in the Tesla patent you mention was actually pushing electrons around an iron collector wire like a pump, the output would be pulsed DC.

Cheers,

Mr. Entropy
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: nickle989 on April 18, 2008, 04:18:56 AM
When he turns the smaller unit upside and it starts to drop voltage rapidly ... this would certainly happen if the device is tuned to part of the earth's spheric flux lines ... going to the cancelation ... we know that magnetic flux helps to carry the electric flow even when the source is stopped .. so why then could it not be that there is enough energy being pulled and already stored ... would lead to reason why slows rapidly but does not stop on a dime ... the earth's frequency has also increased and now thought to be closer to around 8-9 Hz .. the unit would need to be reconfigured from how many turns on the primary / secondary etc.

The AC wave would be the easiest to create an avalanche .. tapping off DC would be easy ... when the wave of AC is about to crest from the inertia the wave starts to stall but the magnet flux would keep the flow going ... now on the wave going down give it a nice push to get it to the point where the flux would then take over again. 

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 18, 2008, 04:22:03 AM
The fact his device can't run inductive loads, if true, can be quite an important clue.  Is this a fact?

In a later video he has an inverter to get 60 Hz AC and he powers a TV, drill etc..    If his TPU outputs DC at 137 volts or whatever voltage,  I would expect it to power a DC motor.  If it does NOT,  then that tells me even more about the output characteristics.   

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on April 18, 2008, 04:45:15 AM
Responses to multiple earlier questions and statements:

Piezo switches.... the taken name of piezoswitch is not what I meant. A company named Klixon used to make them. You pressed them and they made an audible click. As you released them they would click again. (Click On! .... Click Off!) Remeber that stupid TV commercial? They had a deformed bi-metallic disc. The piezo version used the sudden mechanical shift (from the click) to strike a piezo-electric element that created a spark. The same idea is used in pilot light and gas grill ignitors.

Tubes/Collectors.... Old tube type folks would tell you the 'collector ring' was a ring added to collect extra electrons that bounced off the plate/anode. It prevented early failure due to the unwanted extra energy and possible X-Ray radiation when overdriven.

AC/DC? Judging by the many texts about the TPU I would say the output is potential varying over time but not dropping below the zero point (as seen from the frame of the load). So, PC would be most correct.

Not able to run inductive loads?? This tells me there is very little, if any, capacitive reactance in the device. The inverter shown on the video looks very similar to those used in switchgear houses that had 110VDC battery control power systems. Could be just the fact that it was ugly... I'm not that sure after this many years.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 18, 2008, 04:46:21 AM
The fact his device can't run inductive loads, if true, can be quite an important clue.  Is this a fact?

In a later video he has an inverter to get 60 Hz AC and he powers a TV, drill etc..    If his TPU outputs DC at 137 volts or whatever voltage,  I would expect it to power a DC motor.  If it does NOT,  then that tells me even more about the output characteristics.   

EM

was he using an OTS inverter?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: not_a_mib on April 18, 2008, 05:22:39 AM
A collection of high-quality still shots extracted from the video would be much smaller and easier to download.

If the available video capture equipment can do true "raw" capture with no compression, image averaging could be used to clean up the video "noise" (speckling, etc) from tape.  This could be done as follows.

1.  Find one or two second sections in the video that have closeup shots of the device with no camera motion.
2.  Capture these from tape as a set of raw image files, preferably in a format with many color bits like PNG or TIFF.  The key is avoiding any MPEG-like compression that many video capture devices normally do.
3.  Use some image processing program to average together these files, producing a single result file.  In free software, GIMP or ImageJ might support this.  Most of the improvement happens in the first few files, a 4 to 64 file run should be enough.
4.  Make the resulting uncompressed images available for download.

This same technique should also work on Testatika videos.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 18, 2008, 06:50:25 AM
The fact his device can't run inductive loads, if true, can be quite an important clue.  Is this a fact?

In a later video he has an inverter to get 60 Hz AC and he powers a TV, drill etc..    If his TPU outputs DC at 137 volts or whatever voltage,  I would expect it to power a DC motor.  If it does NOT,  then that tells me even more about the output characteristics.   

EM

I must have missed that part of that video. I didn't pay that much attention. I assumed that he figured out the whole inductive load issue.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: pauldude000 on April 18, 2008, 07:33:23 AM
@Wattsup,
Thanks for the PDF document, quite a lot of work has gone into that.
I am wondering if the board had a simple rat race circuit on it, I think it could be built with 2 x ICs and a simple single transistor oscillator to drive it, plus three transistors for the output stage - OK maybe the component count is still too high.

I wonder if its possible to have 3 coils driven by 3 mosfets and use the back emf from each coil to trigger the next mosfet in the chain, so you have a self sustaining simple rat race circuit. You would need to pulse the first coil manually to start it running.
Regards
Rob



I don't know, but I have been tinkering with the idea myself, and have drawn up a schematic you could try. I drew it for a different thread, but will repost here since you are interested.

(http://www.geocities.com/pauldude000/images/possiblecc.jpg)

Note: the "grounds" on the mosfets are the collector coil inputs for each CC.

I hope this helps.

Paul Andrulis


Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 18, 2008, 08:29:11 AM
Also you would have heard the switching noise from the moving reed metals...so no way he used these
as oscillators..
They are placed in vacuum, you won't hear them working that much.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 18, 2008, 10:38:33 AM
The fact his device can't run inductive loads, if true, can be quite an important clue.  Is this a fact?

In a later video he has an inverter to get 60 Hz AC and he powers a TV, drill etc..    If his TPU outputs DC at 137 volts or whatever voltage,  I would expect it to power a DC motor.  If it does NOT,  then that tells me even more about the output characteristics.   

EM

I must have missed that part of that video. I didn't pay that much attention. I assumed that he figured out the whole inductive load issue.

Jack,
he means this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6pOpcSmIzE
and starting at around minute 16
there are the other things to see, that you do not have on your tape.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 18, 2008, 10:52:02 AM
In this above video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6pOpcSmIzE

he clearly says at 6:16 min, that the output is DC with 5000 Hz sine wave superimposed.

This was confirmed by the experiments from Roberto.
See Roberto?s experiment here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6kzqVSk8tc

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 18, 2008, 02:16:10 PM
In this above video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6pOpcSmIzE

he clearly says at 6:16 min, that the output is DC with 5000 Hz sine wave superimposed.

did he say that  ???

it gets harder every time false facts are added to the mix. i see this happening a lot around here  :'(
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 18, 2008, 05:13:43 PM
Actualy, what I heard in the video, with the smalles TPU on the glass table,   he says something like ...  it's DC with a "slight" frequency around 5 kHz.....

This is what it means to me, see chart.   "slight" means to me small ripple, as in it's amplitude is small compared to the main DC level.

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 18, 2008, 05:18:23 PM
Actually he says:
Quote:
"One of the questions of the device was, that
it produces ONLY DC at 5000 Hz sinewave and we have created an inverter
which will take the high voltage DC and convert that into the 120 Volts  60 Hz cycles sinewaves
to operate Televison sets and power appliances."


So he says 2 times his device puts out DC !

That means to me pulsed DC with some 5000 Hz AC ripple superimposed
as EMdevices just posted in his graphic.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: kames on April 18, 2008, 08:01:37 PM
@All
Too much imagination is not doing any good.

You are playing a wild guess. In the second open tpu SM is using a transformer to connect the bulbs. The second test with the same tpu is without using the transformer. If the tpu had a high dc component (superimposed ac on dc), the transformer wouldn?t be effective, but it worked just fine. Which means it is producing pulses of the same polarity mostly, ie, pulsed dc. As simple as is. Or at least, it is not ac superimposed on dc.

Kames.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spoodily on April 18, 2008, 09:29:02 PM
You are playing a wild guess. In the second open tpu SM is using a transformer to connect the bulbs. The second test with the same tpu is without using the transformer. If the tpu had a high dc component (superimposed ac on dc), the transformer wouldn?t be effective, but it worked just fine. Which means it is producing pulses of the same polarity mostly, ie, pulsed dc. As simple as is. Or at least, it is not ac superimposed on dc.

Kames.


If I am reading this correctly you are talking about the black, open tpu that he uses in the garage with the two lamps.  That box he hooked the TPU to was just a wall box with sockets in it.  The output of the TPU is run to what looks like a Power Wheels (pow, pow, power wheels) battery connection.  The box with the plugs has the receiving connection coming out of it.  This was not a transformer but just a box to make a much easier connection to the TPU.

He makes it very apparent that he is afraid of shocking the pee pee out of himself and in other videos with the "observers" he warned them to be careful and not play too much as he has seen people get HURT with the device.  It is putting out real power and is not a toy.  It is possibly, if not probably, lethal if mishandled.

It's the same principle that was applied on the TPUs that were taped up and had a single wall socket coming out of them.  The TPU he took outside did not have the 'power wheels' adapter with a wall socket connection and he lit the bulb by touching directly it to the leads sticking out.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: kames on April 18, 2008, 09:35:36 PM
You are playing a wild guess. In the second open tpu SM is using a transformer to connect the bulbs. The second test with the same tpu is without using the transformer. If the tpu had a high dc component (superimposed ac on dc), the transformer wouldn?t be effective, but it worked just fine. Which means it is producing pulses of the same polarity mostly, ie, pulsed dc. As simple as is. Or at least, it is not ac superimposed on dc.

Kames.


If I am reading this correctly you are talking about the black, open tpu that he uses in the garage with the two lamps.  That box he hooked the TPU to was just a wall box with sockets in it.  The output of the TPU is run to what looks like a Power Wheels (pow, pow, power wheels) battery connection.  The box with the plugs has the receiving connection coming out of it.  This was not a transformer but just a box to make a much easier connection.

He makes it very apparent that he is afraid of shocking the pee pee out of himself and in other videos with the "observers" he warned them to be careful and not play too much as he has seen people get HURT with the device.  It is putting out real power and is not a toy.  It is possibly, if not probably, lethal if mishandled.

It's the same principle that was applied on the TPUs that were taped up and had a single wall socket coming out of them.  The TPU he took outside did not have the 'power wheels' adapter connection and he lit the bulb by touching it to the leads sticking out.

Again. Listen to what SM said about that box in the video before inventing anything on your own about it.

Kames.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spoodily on April 18, 2008, 09:39:14 PM
I did, that's why I am correcting you.  He explains very clearly that it is just a wall box with sockets to make an easier connection.  That's why the lamps were able to be lit without it.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: kames on April 18, 2008, 09:54:01 PM
I did, that's why I am correcting you.  He explains very clearly that it is just a wall box with sockets to make an easier connection.  That's why the lamps were able to be lit without it.

Don't remember his exact words, but he also said that he is using it to raise voltage a little.

Kames.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: nickle989 on April 18, 2008, 10:07:06 PM
The conversation is when he is connecting the TV and Drills up ... not the video clip with the lamps.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spoodily on April 18, 2008, 10:11:45 PM
I see where the confusion would come in as he refers to it as a "120v socket case for the wall" in comparison to the 91 volts the unit was displaying.  He was just clarifying the type of sockets as the North American standard kind as compared to a European 220-240v socket.  He also refers to it as a junction box.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: kames on April 18, 2008, 10:16:42 PM
The conversation is when he is connecting the TV and Drills up ... not the video clip with the lamps.

When I come home I will try to find his exact words about raising a voltage.

Kames.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 18, 2008, 10:42:59 PM
Guys when you start your comments please mention right away what TPU you are referring to and make it clear if you do not know the abbreviations.

So, regarding the FPTU magnet, I am more then convinced it is a ruse.

When he connected the meter without the magnet, by the time he started fiddling around with the meter selector the voltage had already started "quickly" going up 6, 12, 20, 27, 44.5, 52 volts. He then pushed some buttons to remove the voltage reading. He then put the magnet on, then pressed a button on the meter to show the reading again and it was 61.6. When he took off the magnet the voltage started going down in .01 volt increments.

I am convinced that if he left the magnet off, the voltage would have gone down a fews volts and stayed steady at maybe 59 or 58 volts but at 60 volts he put the magnet back on and the voltage started going up again. Why did he put it back on sooooooooo fast. lol

I have done many many types tests with transformers, pulsing, toroids etc and often when you approach a magnet you will always see an effect on the voltage. A slight rise. Also turning it upside down and seeing the voltage go down means nothing because the voltage was going down the same way as when he removed the magnet. By turning it upside down, this maybe perturbed the magnet effect only. These are both distractions. While you are breaking your brains on how this magnet is doing this, the real device function stays hidden.

I am starting to work on a wiring diagram of the FTPU but my eyes are killing me. lol. The new FPTU video is better but it is not ultra clear enough. Otherwise we need a member of the forum that is a super-duper video pro that can do better shots. Now if JD manages to make only one video as the real DVD quality, please concentrate on the VOB2 showing the FTPU and OTPU.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spoodily on April 18, 2008, 10:49:56 PM
The conversation is when he is connecting the TV and Drills up ... not the video clip with the lamps.

There is no open TPU in that demonstration and he decribes the large device on the table specifically as an AC inverter.

I clarified what part of the video we were discussing and was not corrected otherwise by Kames.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spoodily on April 18, 2008, 11:08:28 PM
By turning it upside down, this maybe perturbed the magnet effect only. These are both distractions. While you are breaking your brains on how this magnet is doing this, the real device function stays hidden.

Did you notice the white capacitor (almost looks like a AA battery) in the FTPU when he flipped the unit over?  He tries to hide it the whole time, notice how he angles the unit when he first sets it down and after he flips it over he asked "Did you get that in the viewfinder?" in a "Did you get in the viewfinder what I was trying to hide?" tone.  The camera man is in the dark about the tpu operation because SM gets a little ticked in another segment (garage) when the camera guy asks if there are batteries in the device (you'll hear a muffled, agitated 'no' in response).

I haven't seen too much mention (if any) of that white cylinder on the bottom disc of the FTPU so I thought I'd bring it up.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 19, 2008, 12:45:43 AM
@Spoodily

For the FPTU, he said that to the cameraman just to make sure the voltage reading was clearly captured by the camera. But yes, he had his hands all over the device, sh&t. Just when you think you can see something else, there go those fingers again. lol. There is such a mess of wires on the right of the toroid. I am slowly following he wires. 
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: buzz-ard on April 19, 2008, 02:08:58 AM
In speaking about the large device on the table, SM clearly calls it "the Tripp Lite inverter". It looks to me very much like Tripp Lite units from that era, with the cover missing.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: buzz-ard on April 19, 2008, 02:12:52 AM
I meant to add in my last post:

If I heard right, SM also said they "built" the inverter, then later that they "modified" it. I would think that a commercially-available inverter would need some help marshaling 5-6K Hz DC - that's way out of range of what DC normally looks like.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Jdo300 on April 19, 2008, 03:25:05 AM
Hello Everyone,

I'm about to shut down the torrent now. There is one last person finishing up a download of the DVD. So there will be 147 downloads total. After that, I'll upload the remaining VOB files to the MediaFire folder for those who want them that way.

Thanks again to everyone helping to seed the torrent :).

Also, I want to make the last call out for anyone who wants the DVD via mail. I am making up a list of people to send discs out to so please PM me if you want one.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 19, 2008, 03:26:13 AM
u gotit buzz. the inverter was modified or "specially-built" to accommodate the varying output impedance of the TPU.

good to see some are paying attention
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: kames on April 19, 2008, 03:33:34 AM
The conversation is when he is connecting the TV and Drills up ... not the video clip with the lamps.

There is no open TPU in that demonstration and he decribes the large device on the table specifically as an AC inverter.

I clarified what part of the video we were discussing and was not corrected otherwise by Kames.

@Spoodily

No, I didn?t mean that big AC inverter. Inverter is a different story. Looks like you are right. It wasn?t in the video where SM shows the second open tpu. I just checked it again. My apologies. I have to check all the movies again. Because in one of them he was saying that he used a transformer for raising the voltage for bulbs to shine brighter.
I still think that there are too much imagination going on around and that is what is very bad. There are a lot of different stories here, scalar waves, standing waves, spark gaps?.
I went to perform a simple test, exactly what SM was describing at the very beginning. Two opposing transformers. Some little tricks were added.
Here is a description of the set up.

Build a collector coil with 10 turns or so from a power cord. Wind two backing coils on it (50?60 turns with 20g wire). Make sure that there is a little space between them, about 5mm. On top of two backing coils wind the third coil that covers about 50% of each of the backing coils. Make sure that the third coil carefully covers/overlaps the space between the two backing coils. In series with one of the backing coils put a 1Ohm resistor (not mandatory, just improves the results). Power the two backing coils in the way they cancel each other. I used about 50?100V DC pulses from another BEMV generator. Power the third coil with the same frequency in any direction. Range of frequencies is not important. I tested it from 5Khz and up to 200 Khz. Connect the collector coils to a 30 (or so) Ohm resistor to eliminate as much as possible any noise and capacitive coupling. Connect the oscilloscope to the resistor and watch. For now nothing is interesting. Now take a magnet and start moving it close to the coils or one of them. You can find more than one spot for a very interesting effect. When the magnet is close enough, the scope shows a kick sitting/generated on top/side of the other signal. The closer the magnet the bigger the kick. The stronger the magnet the stronger the kick.
Change the polarity of the magnet and the kick changes the polarity as well. With my test the kick had about 100mV on 30 Ohm resistor. Move the magnet along the coils and you can see that the kick disappears and then changes the polarity again.

That is it for now.

Kames.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: orbs on April 19, 2008, 05:35:56 AM
I've made an attempt at subtitling the first 15 minutes of the DVD. Maybe a native English speaker could take a look at it and improve and extend it. I have deliberately used digits, SI units and no contractions to make it easier for the international audience. It should at least work with SC (http://subtitlecreator.sf.net) (after turning off all in menu Settings -> During the loading of subtitles before loading), but I guess commercial applications like Nero Vision/Recode or Sony DVD Architect should also be able to deal with the SubRip file.

Edit: See update below (http://overunity.com/index.php/topic,4486.msg90977.html#msg90977).
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 19, 2008, 07:10:14 AM
Well the following photo just blew away a possible full wound pancake coil.

That little hole just saved a potential of wasted time. You can see the hole from the other side in the second photo. So the coil is not going at least past this hole, leaving a maximum of maybe 9 or 10 winds on the collector, or as few as EM has shown earlier. Good.

Another part of the puzzle now for the collector is shown in the second photo. If the collector is white glued to the outer rim of the spool rings, why can you still see the rim. It should be covered with the collector and the glue. This is why I feel there are more winds in the collector and they go under and past the rim.

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 19, 2008, 08:36:16 AM
Well the following photo just blew away a possible full wound pancake coil.

That little hole just saved a potential of wasted time. You can see the hole from the other side in the second photo. So the coil is not going at least past this hole, leaving a maximum of maybe 9 or 10 winds on the collector, or as few as EM has shown earlier. Good.

Another part of the puzzle now for the collector is shown in the second photo. If the collector is white glued to the outer rim of the spool rings, why can you still see the rim. It should be covered with the collector and the glue. This is why I feel there are more winds in the collector and they go under and past the rim.



Well done!
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Peterae on April 19, 2008, 10:02:06 AM
Hi Chaps
Can i suggest that someone tries to track down Mercury Marilla, if he did indeed try back engineering this thing he may know loads, also because of his close partnership to SM he may have valuable info.

I have found this, i mean ow many people could have this name?

http://www.geocities.com/heartland/lake/8491/geobook.html

Mercury Marilla - 09/16/99 00:54:58
My Email:mercurymmm@earthlink.net
Where are you from?: Southern California
How old are you?: 36
What is your favorite book?: Too many to mention

Comments:
It is interesting that my last name is Marilla. I love all the Anne of Green Gables movies. I would like more information on the "Continuing Story" I have not been able to find it.

@ Jack
Would this age of 36 in 1999 be correct for the person we are looking for, and would you know if he was Southern California.

Peter
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 19, 2008, 10:47:48 AM
Hi Chaps
Can i suggest that someone tries to track down Mercury Marilla, if he did indeed try back engineering this thing he may know loads, also because of his close partnership to SM he may have valuable info.

I have found this, i mean ow many people could have this name?

http://www.geocities.com/heartland/lake/8491/geobook.html

Mercury Marilla - 09/16/99 00:54:58
My Email:mercurymmm@earthlink.net
Where are you from?: Southern California
How old are you?: 36
What is your favorite book?: Too many to mention

Comments:
It is interesting that my last name is Marilla. I love all the Anne of Green Gables movies. I would like more information on the "Continuing Story" I have not been able to find it.

@ Jack
Would this age of 36 in 1999 be correct for the person we are looking for, and would you know if he was Southern California.

Peter


Mercury was about that age at that time but you would get more pertinent information from Steven's dogs. Mercury was a nice enough fellow but he knew nothing about the technology beyond basic items he purchased at Radio Shack for Steven. His name can be traced to the California penal system. Beyond that I could run a Nexus Lexis search but I doubt it will reveal anything of value.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Peterae on April 19, 2008, 11:45:50 AM
Hi Jack
Mercury may not know that much, but any information no matter how small may be important, but one thing i have learnt in the UK when tracing people is that it's a lot easier with a name that's not common, i dont know what resources there are in the US for doing searches but just tried a web site called one minute People finder and it shows only one entry for Mercury in California, and it says it can give me all the records on him,how upto date this is i have no idea, but when i filled in the payment form it goes blank and doesnt do anything.   :(

Even a list of parts he bought from Radio Shack would be handy.

Peter
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: mikestocks2006 on April 19, 2008, 12:40:50 PM
Does anyone know, where I can find few Depletion Mode MOSFETS, preferably low ir and high breakdown voltage?

Also, were these type of transistors available (and easily accessible) during the time when SM built his TPUs ?

Thanks
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 19, 2008, 12:41:17 PM
 
Nice scoop Peter...I agree with you...leave no stone unturned...who knows what this guy may know or have in his possession.

This proves once again that important information can be found in the most unimportant of places.

With so many resourceful people here, something will break through somewhere if we all feed of each others ideas.

Regards...

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 19, 2008, 04:50:13 PM
Does anyone know, where I can find few Depletion Mode MOSFETS, preferably low ir and high breakdown voltage?

Also, were these type of transistors available (and easily accessible) during the time when SM built his TPUs ?

Thanks

here's a site with good info about them, and who makes them

btw, why are you interested in depletion-mode? they are much less common.

...because they more closely operate like tubes maybe?

http://www.automotivedesignline.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=191900470
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 19, 2008, 06:51:16 PM
QUESTION TO JACK DURBAN PLEASE:

what is the material the 2 black rings are made of in the OTPU?

if you don't know, please say so and we can drop this question.

thanks
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on April 19, 2008, 11:55:35 PM
For those not seeing how ELF can be part of any TPU operation I offer this: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3399311.html
The application is of an inductive frequency divider. What they don't show is how you can wrap their coil (vertical) around a horizontal coil and also effect the resonance of that horizontal coil.
As I believe I see in the first TPU (the one pulled from the bag):
1. changing the control coil wrap direction every 180 degrees so each CC pulse creates one full wave in the collector, albeit likely highly compressed.
2. double the amount of turns in each group of turns from the top CC to the bottom CC. It 'looks like' the top CC turns are in groups of two and the bottom one in groups of four.
Using the above coil setup we should be able to create two different frequencies with only one multi-vibrator/oscillator. Since it would be only one signal source there would be no tracking problem. The difference between the collector frequencies would be controlled by the collector content, spacing between collectors and control coil design.

I've already experimented with some of this idea. But the above package needs to be confirmed. I do know you can create a DC (battery-like w/noise) output on the collector when you wrap the CC series opposing bifilar(just not much). The idea is to create a zero net mag field in the CC while inducing in only one direction into the collector. And find what frequency the collector resonates at with the pulses on the CC. -the old squeezing the hose stuff again. I do not see that method here.

>>Edit - er'a Brain Fart

Rat race is the wrong thing to do. The rat race should be the result not the cause. A ring with multiple CC's. Each end of each CC faces an opposing  the same magnetic polarity from the next coil. They are all connected in series. Pulse the chain and create magnetic voids/nulls  collisions between them. Create at mag nul peak and an electric charge appears to fill the void  equalize (viola DC). It doesn't matter which pole is facing where as long as it faces an opposing pole the same polarity. The collector is running through the axis so it receives the charge.
Use the output of one collector to feed the input of the other set of CC's and that collector feeds the first set of CC's. There is where 90 degrees out of phase comes in to create sustaining rotation. <Edit> Here is where the TLF's come in. Not just to couple and filter but to shift phase. Then all is needed is best frequencies and finding the potential.

Got some mods to do.........
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 20, 2008, 06:26:33 AM
QUESTION TO JACK DURBAN PLEASE:

what is the material the 2 black rings are made of in the OTPU?

if you don't know, please say so and we can drop this question.

thanks

Wood.

 I would completely discount any exotic materials anywhere in the device as the videos support. The device is ultra simple and if SM could build them anyone can. It's just finding right relationship between the windings.

You must understand that SM was and is a B.S. artist, a con man. I know some of you can't fathom that but it is fact. I know first hand. He will lie when there's no reason to lie. He makes claims that anyone can prove false. Case in point: his reference to having hundreds of patents and one had over 750 pages. All 100% B.S. He has one utility patent on an unproven 3D sound theory and 5 design patents on speaker aesthetics. The sound patent is a real patent. The design patents are worthless.

As one who has written dozens of patents and read thousands I can't recall ever seeing any patent over a couple hundred pages regardless of of the technology or process.

This device was already in existence long before SM somehow got his hands on one.

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Localjoe on April 20, 2008, 06:53:25 AM
@Jdurban
    After looking through patents 381,968  381,970 and 382,279, tesla described a set of modifications throughout all those patents that when combined would look similar to motor with a generator superimposed upon it.  He describes how to get rid of the contacts so the motor needs no moving parts and describes how the generator can be built  in similar construction. later he associates a drawing that represents a motionless motor wound on an annular iron core with 4 sets of coils in quadrature with multiple coils imposed upon the sets "superimposed", he later describes how one could encase that whole device in a continuous steel shell .  Whats your take on the modifications he proposes in those patents.
                                                                                                                      Joe
@Bep
This sure sounds a lot like what your describing



The inducing or primary coils wound on the core I
are divided into pairs or sets by the proper
electrical connections, so that while the coils of
one pair or set to co-operate in fixing the magnetic
poles of the core at two given diametrically-opposite points, the coils of the other pair
or set?assuming, for sake of illustration, that
there are but two?tend to fix the poles ninety
degrees from such points. With this induction
device I use an alternating-current generator with coils
or sets of coils to correspond
with those of the converter, and by means of
suitable conductors I connect no in independent
circuits the corresponding coils of the generator
and converter. It results from this that the different electrical phases in the generator
are attended by corresponding magnetic
changes in the converter; or, in other
words, that as the generator-coils revolve the
points of greatest magnetic intensity in the converter will be progressively shifted or
whirled around. This principle I have applied
under variously-modified conditions to
the operation of electromagnetic motors, and
in 'p previous applications, notably in those having Serial Nos. 252,132 and 256,561, I have described
in detail the manner of constructing
and using such motors
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 20, 2008, 07:07:18 AM
@ Jack, thanks for the reply on the material. are those the speaker parts you mentioned before?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 20, 2008, 07:41:10 AM

You must understand that SM was and is a B.S. artist, a con man. I know some of you can't fathom that but it is fact. I know first hand. He will lie when there's no reason to lie. He makes claims that anyone can prove false. Case in point: his reference to having hundreds of patents and one had over 750 pages. All 100% B.S. He has one utility patent on an unproven 3D sound theory and 5 design patents on speaker aesthetics. The sound patent is a real patent. The design patents are worthless.


Jack,

What is the chance that the devices themselfs were a fake?

Suppose he would connect them to a charger at the end of the day to charge them up for next show..
There are many ways to fake what is seen on the video tapes.
I can build something that looks exactly the same with a series of nicad's inside and power bulbs for a short period of time.
Is it possible that he hired you to come up with something that would work just because his was a fake??
If Steven was that master of BS and the con man, then i think the device itself could be fake too because he was just in for the money...
Many people who work on something for a long time fake it when they cannot get it done.

M.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 20, 2008, 08:00:38 AM
@Jdurban
    After looking through patents 381,968  381,970 and 382,279, tesla described a set of modifications throughout all those patents that when combined would look similar to motor with a generator superimposed upon it.  He describes how to get rid of the contacts so the motor needs no moving parts and describes how the generator can be built  in similar construction. later he associates a drawing that represents a motionless motor wound on an annular iron core with 4 sets of coils in quadrature with multiple coils imposed upon the sets "superimposed", he later describes how one could encase that whole device in a continuous steel shell .  Whats your take on the modifications he proposes in those patents.
                                                                                                                      Joe
@Bep
This sure sounds a lot like what your describing



The inducing or primary coils wound on the core I
are divided into pairs or sets by the proper
electrical connections, so that while the coils of
one pair or set to co-operate in fixing the magnetic
poles of the core at two given diametrically-opposite points, the coils of the other pair
or set?assuming, for sake of illustration, that
there are but two?tend to fix the poles ninety
degrees from such points. With this induction
device I use an alternating-current generator with coils
or sets of coils to correspond
with those of the converter, and by means of
suitable conductors I connect no in independent
circuits the corresponding coils of the generator
and converter. It results from this that the different electrical phases in the generator
are attended by corresponding magnetic
changes in the converter; or, in other
words, that as the generator-coils revolve the
points of greatest magnetic intensity in the converter will be progressively shifted or
whirled around. This principle I have applied
under variously-modified conditions to
the operation of electromagnetic motors, and
in 'p previous applications, notably in those having Serial Nos. 252,132 and 256,561, I have described
in detail the manner of constructing
and using such motors


Glad to see you are thinking Tesla, especially US 381,970. As depicted there is no other document I am aware of that so closely represents the SM device from a conceptual viewpoint. I need to revisit the disclosures made in the specification to refresh my memory but one thing that stood out more than anything at the time of my first review was Tesla's obvious attempts to conceal key elements in preferred embodiments while teaching others. I am not familiar with the statutes of that era but today to not fully disclose best mode is a violation of patent law and would invalidate such a patent upon demand of re-examination and if best mode was not disclosed.

In general terms it looked as if Tesla feared full disclosure of best mode by focusing on conventional generator means rather than embodiments that might appear to be that of a perpetual motion machine that could be rejected by statute.

Motive must be considered in reading anything having to do with over unity inventors!
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 20, 2008, 08:19:04 AM

You must understand that SM was and is a B.S. artist, a con man. I know some of you can't fathom that but it is fact. I know first hand. He will lie when there's no reason to lie. He makes claims that anyone can prove false. Case in point: his reference to having hundreds of patents and one had over 750 pages. All 100% B.S. He has one utility patent on an unproven 3D sound theory and 5 design patents on speaker aesthetics. The sound patent is a real patent. The design patents are worthless.


Jack,

What is the chance that the devices themselfs were a fake?

Suppose he would connect them to a charger at the end of the day to charge them up for next show..
There are many ways to fake what is seen on the video tapes.
I can build something that looks exactly the same with a series of nicad's inside and power bulbs for a short period of time.
Is it possible that he hired you to come up with something that would work just because his was a fake??
If Steven was that master of BS and the con man, then i think the device itself could be fake too because he was just in for the money...
Many people who work on something for a long time fake it when they cannot get it done.

M.


It was real and many others far smarter than I saw it too. I had already seen my share of quacks so I did not go into this prepared for seeing a real free energy device. I was just curious and it paid off.

I am intimately familiar with battery chemistries as many of my designs rely upon them and at that time there were no readily available high watt density cells around like Lithium Ion or Lithium Poly Ion. And consider the absolute nightmare of tearing down these units regularly to swap out cells!

Your reference to Nicads...Nicads have a very low watt density and would have been a very poor candidate. The ideal cell of choice would have been the good ol' AA cell but at 1.5 v per cell...well you do the math.

And much more importantly the SM device is not the only device out there that worked.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 20, 2008, 09:03:18 AM

Your reference to Nicads...Nicads have a very low watt density and would have been a very poor candidate. The ideal cell of choice would have been the good ol' AA cell but at 1.5 v per cell...well you do the math.
 

Well i have done the math long ago and it actually surpised me to see what can be done.
Especially when we take in account the 20 minute breakdown.
At first i was also thinking this cannot be faked by using batteries but now i know it can.
As for the low watt nicad density it is possible to switch like 10 cells in series on top of another 10 cells in series so both packs in parallel giving 12 volts which can be stepped up to higher voltages to power regular bulbs.
I have tried this and i found out it was possible to pull out 300 Watts of power at 230 Volts on off for a couple of minutes.
When using LI-ION packs this was even easier to do with less cells but we all know these cells were not available at the time the vids were made.

M.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 20, 2008, 10:00:51 AM
If we want to power a bulb 60 Watts off one cell 1,5 Volts the amperage has to be 40 Amps.
P=UxI  60=1,5x40

BUT if we use 10 cells?? in series or parallel for example 10x1,5 Volts =15 Volts
P=UxI  60=15x4
Now the amperage only has to be 4 Amps.
So if each cell is capable of delivering 2500mA the bulb will lite up fine.

This dirty calculation is still on the tight side so we switch 10 cells parallel to 10 cells etc. and now each cell only needs to deliver 2500/2=1250mA which can be done.

I have tried many cells in series to get to greater voltage levels and we need alot of batteries to get to higher voltage.
If we want to achieve let's say 100 Volts we need 100/1,5= 66 cells

I have also tried with inverter boards which take a 12 Volt supply and convert it to 230 Volts.
This technique is used in computer backup supply's and in truck/car/camper vehichels.
I was able to power quite some bulbs off simple portable drill NICD battery packs.
I even powerd a television set for quite some time out of this pack.
It was a nice experiment because i called up some friends and i took the television set along with the inverter to a park nearby.
We were watching television in the park and my friends were trying to figure out how the set could operate without a mains supply.

I am not saying Stevens things work on batteries ,in fact i hope they are for real.
But i just want you all to know this CAN be done with batteries.

M.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 20, 2008, 11:26:04 AM
Since SM on the video notes that his TPU "buzzes" even being disconnected, this suggests that no batteries are in use. Batteries may buzz or heat up only being short-circuited. In fact, I do not see a reason for TPU to buzz if it uses batteries alone.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 20, 2008, 11:48:38 AM
I do see a reason for it to buzz if it is used to step up the voltage.
In fact every transformer buzzes due to the magnetostriction effect anybody knows this.
M.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 20, 2008, 11:58:40 AM
In fact every transformer buzzes due to the magnetostriction effect anybody knows this.
Yep, it does. However, there was no transformer coiling detected AFAIK?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 20, 2008, 12:13:01 PM
In fact every transformer buzzes due to the magnetostriction effect anybody knows this.
Yep, it does. However, there was no transformer coiling detected AFAIK?

You don't see transformer coils?
Maybe it is time for you to study transformers then.

Steven sure talked alot about them..
M.

Quote

I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum rectifiers like the 5U4 GB or 5AR4 etc.  The plate has a high voltage potential with lots of useable power available. You cant get to it or use it for anything without applying a heating voltage to the cathode or what is the cathode potential of the tube. So, you put in a small voltage of 5 volts AC 60 Hz which heats up the cathode and welcomes the electron stream from the plate. Or actually the other way around, but not important for this example of my thoughts. Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC. if the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency. That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing. It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.Then you can measure all kinds of things going on. You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds. What I measured during this process was very interesting. All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.

I was working at a laboratory at the time with much more sophisticated equipment then is available to even most manufacturing companies. I was able to analyses everything coming out of this simple two transformer AC high voltage circuit. In most power supplies there is lots of hash coming out and designers use a .05 or so to short out as much as possible before it gets to the smoothing capacitors. This hash comes from the mains supply and especially from the transformers themselves.

I became interested in the interaction between the two AC transformers. The interaction can be very reveling, trust me.

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 20, 2008, 12:44:55 PM
You don't see transformer coils?Maybe it is time for you to study transformers then.
No need to question my understanding. Where is transformer in open TPU? It is this bifilar 1:1 thing you call a transformer? Since other TPUs are closed, you nor I should make much speculations about them.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 20, 2008, 01:04:39 PM
You don't see transformer coils?Maybe it is time for you to study transformers then.
No need to question my understanding. Where is transformer in open TPU? It is this bifilar 1:1 thing you call a transformer? Since other TPUs are closed, you nor I should make much speculations about them.

Any coil can be conciderd a transformer.
It's just that most people think of the EI core thing.
The auto transformer is a transformer in it's simplest form.
It's basicly just a coil with tap points on it and that is the combined primary and secondary.
As frequency goes up they can be made smaller.
So small you cannot even say what it is.

And by the way there are also other things that can produce high voltage output without the transformer and they are even smaller.

I have seen and played with inverter boards that would fit in half the size of the smallest unit.

M.


 
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on April 20, 2008, 03:34:07 PM
@Loner

About posting results: I speak only for myself here but I seldom post and don't recall posting test results because of two things.
1. The tests results I obtain are almost always repeats of the same mistakes made by others here and elsewhere. They are becomming more interesting but I've learned you must repeat your own tests AND be able to explain them before sharing.
2. If you can't explain them solidly you will be ripped apart. I'm guilty of some ripping and now make an effort to avoid doing so.

When you asked about the magnetic memory core I wanted to respond. I work with variations of it quite often. Some versions are still being used in old Alllen Bradley controllers today. Every thing you said about your experience - I agree.

@others

About rotation of magnetic field: I don't believe SM called it a magnetic field. Since a mag field is only the momentum of charge it will never rotate. Sure, you can have the results of a RMF but it is not the mag field that rotates.

Anyone building a homopolar device can tell you if you have a charge moving along the axis of a static mag field that charge will either rotate or cause rotation of the charge carrier. You want more spin? Make the mag field and/or the charge speed faster and flow stronger.

All I've been able to confirm last night was if you have two solenoid fields bucking/slapping you do have a charge buildup during that action. The spike was so fast it wouldn't show on my 60mHz scope. I had to fix a faster one before I could see it. I still need to place that charge in a static mag field and attempt rotation. I have my radioshack refrigerator magnets ready.
 
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Jdo300 on April 20, 2008, 03:34:20 PM
Hello Everyone,

FYI, the torrent now is officially shut down. I have continued to upload the video parts to the MediaFire folder for those interested. Here's the address to the main folder.

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=bcb5de0bd0f181ea8c9e7c56ba37815f5a52c02ec6da2cd7

The Part 3 files are now uploaded, will be working on the part 4 pieces today.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: dean_mcgowan on April 20, 2008, 03:35:47 PM
I have absolute proof its a fraud ... but i cant reveal my sources  ::)
Hi guys (and gals) long time no see .. hows things in ou land ?

Cheers,

Dean
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dom on April 20, 2008, 03:48:02 PM
@JD,

This is also from SM pdf, I know you don't think any of his info is credible, but I just wanted you to think about this:-


Quote from SM:-

".....necessary to make the demonstrations you see on the video tapes available today. So in many ways we have early RCA color TV engineers to thank for my discovery of the power generator. I am sure they are all dead now but they did contribute........."

So I did some research and found:-
http://www.rmcybernetics.com/science/high_voltage/voltage_mult.htm

Three stage CW multipliers, commonly known as tripler, were used in most of the early B&W and colour TV's. The voltage drops rapidly as a function of the output current. In some applications, this is an advantage. The output V/I characteristic is roughly hyperbolic, so it serves well for charging capacitor banks to high voltages at roughly constant charging power. Furthermore, the ripple on the output, particularly at high loads, is quite high.

Increasing the frequency can dramatically reduce the ripple, and the voltage drop under load, which accounts for the popularity of driving a multiplier stack with a switching power supply. A clever way to reduce ripple is to implement a full wave voltage doubler as shown below. This effectively doubles the number of charging cycles per second, and thus cuts down the voltage drop and ripple factor. The input is usually fed from a centre tapped ac transformer or MOSFET H-bridge circuits.

You can find more detailed information regarding this subject by visiting Blaze Labs   :-http://www.blazelabs.com/e-exp15.asp:-


SM mentioned about the imploding tv set which killed a young boy, tv sets have high voltage systems in them, so its logical to think that this maybe the other piece of the puzzle. Plus the output dispalyed on SM multimeter is DC in nature

Are you aware at all of this story?

And again from SM:-
".......Energy conversion is different when you consider speed. 12 volts at 100 amps is slow and the energy can not dissipate quickly enough to kill you by discharge. But, it is a lot of energy especially if converted to speed. Reduce that 100 amps to 100 mA but increase the voltage (speed) to 100,000 volts and you can electrocute someone!
My unit operates on these principles. Think about all those frequencies traveling inside the collector coil and how they interact....."

I have a cct of a small high voltage dc to dc converter from electronics cookbook, using 555 timer, diagram attached, now my take on this is what if we were to use a small enough transformer inside the first tpu, and the output of that fed into the ring configuration, so basically my question would be, was there at that time a small enough transformer that could be placed inside the first two tpu's which would be concealed?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dom on April 20, 2008, 03:56:04 PM
What the above information amounts to, is that if some transformers back then were very small, say 110v to 12v stepdown, this with the voltage doubler/trippler cct, consisting of some diodes and small caps, could be concealed inside both these units, infact even in the larger units, and it's this HV which holds the key to the unlocking of the phenomenon of the power of the ring.....

obviously, you would reverse the transformer as per the diagram above, notice the voltage in, and hv out, 9volts in would give 110volts out, pulsed DC.........

Just something to consider here as another angle of operation.......


Dom
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 20, 2008, 04:20:39 PM
Just something to consider here as another angle of operation.......
Yep, I believe it's what is going on in the TPU except the coil winding. Your DC-DC xformer pic shows standard step up transformer setup. TPUs have bifilar winding, so their operation should be a bit different - they do not perform voltage transformation, but they create a charge field around toroid, they use this toroid as a big open capacitor. Mag fields aside, what do you think should happen if your pulse is short and core response is slow? The energy you invest with each pulse will stick to the core. This is what I would call a charge of core.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 20, 2008, 04:25:43 PM
I have absolute proof its a fraud ... but i cant reveal my sources  ::)
Hi guys (and gals) long time no see .. hows things in ou land ?

Cheers,

Dean

you're going to have to do much better than that if you expect anyone to take your statement seriously.  ::)

if it's the "spirits" that have told you, take it elsewhere please. looks like this road has been traveled before.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: orbs on April 20, 2008, 04:58:24 PM
I have absolute proof its a fraud ... but i cant reveal my sources  ::)
With "absolute" you mean "none of the prototypes have worked under any circumstances"?
How about presenting the proof without the sources?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 20, 2008, 05:00:41 PM
@JD

For the OPTU Rings. You say Wood................... Are you absolutely sure, or on a scale from 1 to 10, how sure are you. lol
What about black Plexiglas. Or Masonite.

Based on the video for the FTPU and OTPU which I have downloaded as VOB2, is the original video you have of better quality or clarity. Any increase in clarity will make all the difference.

@dean_mcgowan

Start a new thread. You can release why you know it is a fraud without revealing your source.

@all

I am in the process of finalizing a preliminary diagram on the FTPU. Lots of new stuff to show.

One question to the EEers.

Since the FTPU is mounted on a metal spool, can the spool itself be used as the ground conductor. I need to now this because there is a discrepancy in the amount of wires seen and the required connections in the device. So I am wondering if certain parts of the circuit was grounded on the spool, this would eliminate the use of several returning conductors. So if the whole spool was grounded, is it possible for someone to handle or hold it in their hands without getting a shock.

General point: Please you guys, this is the discover stage so please spend more time watching the video and seeing if you can "observe" some new events. I know it's boring work but it is important. I use the VOB videos with Windows Media Classic which is really great because there is the step control that permits you to advance one frame at a time to compare components moving against a background. There is also the zoom and pan function that brings the image closer and you can move left and right up and down as well when closer.

I had a theory of pancake coils and my last observation trimmed it down considerably. So if you have a theory, look again and be open to knocking it down. This is the only way this will advance. With over 140 downloads, you would think there would be more "observations" posted by now.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: mudwump on April 20, 2008, 05:55:46 PM
Simple Observation
I noticed on this image, that there appears to be either a lamination line where two pieces are joined together, or it could be a die cut line from being stamped out with a die cutter. If it is laminated, there could be wire(s) or other circuit components laminated in between the layers that we cannot see.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 20, 2008, 06:06:30 PM
good observation mudwump, but...

it's not important whether they are MDF or thin plywood. what IS important is the fact that they are not metal of any sort.

so onward: where is that collector coil hiding then?

i've not been able to spot one under the control windings, has anyone?

i wouldn't say it is buried in the ring either, it's too thin. so where?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: mudwump on April 20, 2008, 06:13:51 PM
Alas, it is not good practice to dismiss an observation so fast. It is not too thin to do many things. I just find it a little odd to laminate two pieces when using one thicker piece would have sufficed.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 20, 2008, 06:16:09 PM
Alas, it is not good practice to dismiss an observation so fast. It is not too thin to do many things. I just find it a little odd to laminate two pieces when using one thicker piece would have sufficed.

Maybe there are two iron rings hidden inbetween two wooden halves and then laminated? Any way, dielectric substances can hold a lot of charge on their surfaces: this is what can be also important. Especially dielectrics composed of layers (or two halves as in this example).
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 20, 2008, 06:20:36 PM
think what is probable

those rings are 1/4" thick, max, and could be as thin as 3/16"

if one tries to router out a channel for some wire, the thing is going to break, or at the very best become quite weak and prone to breaking and flexing.

so with an apparent lamination, it looks like thin plywood. it's not metal, and there's probably no wires hidden within. let's use the razor and move forward
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Localjoe on April 20, 2008, 06:48:09 PM
@Jdurban

Thanks for the quick reply.   In pat 381,970   Tesla says this

In the present application
my object is to describe the best and
most convenient manner of-which I am at presntly aware of carrying out the intention as applied
to a system of electrical distribution;
but one skilled i the art will readily understand
from the description by the modifications
proposed in said applications
, wherein the form of both the generator and converter
in the present case may be modified.

Said application numbers are Serial Nos. 252,132 and 256,561
But there pat numbers are 381,968  382,279


Sparks made a comment in another thread that seemed impt to this so i want to repeat it.

he said ""Steel in the core if you want to make an induction generator yes.  Steel outside the core if you want to make a dynamo. "  We were dicussing the uses of steel or not.   

After reviewing all the said modifiications tesla proposes throughout the first two patents then implmenting them on the 381,970 it becomes clear that these two devices could be combined into one.  The trick is rotating them properly.  The coils have to be a diametriclly oposite positions and run in series. Some of the thicker induced coils wound upon the copper may be shunted in the same ciruct . "Some in series, some in parallel".. similar to an old sm quote we had

 "It results from this
 that the different electrical phases in the generator
are attended by corresponding magnetic
changes in the converter; or, in other
words, that as the generator-coils revolve the
points of greatest magnetic intensity in the
converter will be progressively shifted or
whirled around"

He also notes many ways to build the two elements the feild coils and armature and different configs they can arranged in. The goal he wanted to convey in my mind was a version of the motor and generator combined into one device with no moving parts and no mechanical limitations.  This may not resemble the otpu but it sure does the others.
                                                                                  Joe
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on April 20, 2008, 06:53:27 PM
1/4 inch plywood - agreed. Then it measures between 3/16 anf 1/4 inch thick. That should allow fairly accurate scaling for other parts. Solid wood sheets that thick were no more available then than now.

If my current train of thought is correct then one of the three conductors of the twin-lead windings is a portion of the collector. That would be the one in-between bifilar control coil conductors.

@Wattsup
Wire spools of that size then were also made completely of plastic. A few had plastic ends and a rolled metal core but they were obvious. This one is obvious to me as the all plastic variety. The 'see-through hole' you pointed out would be the normal one - part of the spool manufacture. There is another hole closer to center that should not be there. ref: other pic uploads on this thread. There is no downloading huge files from my connection.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: buzz-ard on April 20, 2008, 06:55:57 PM
@ wattsup

I doubt that the metal spool has any electrical connection to it all - in fact, I'm surprised at SM using anything metal this way. It wouldn't be electrically connected because it would then essentially become a core, and a damn sloppy one at that. It would ruin any beneficial effects of the coils.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Localjoe on April 20, 2008, 06:57:52 PM
@jdurban

 the shell comment for the armature from ser. 252,132 pat no 381,968

This shell is preferably
formed with a slot or opening, r, but it may
be continuous, as shown by the dotted lines,
5 and in this event it ispreferably made of steel.
It is also desirable that this shell should be
divided up similarly to the armature and for
similar reasons. As a generator for driving
this motor 1 may use the device shown in Fig.
to 11. This represents an annular or ring armature,
A, surrounded by four coils, F F F' F', of
which those diametrically opposite are connected
in series, so that four free ends are left,
which are connected to the insulated contact-
's rings b b b' b'. The ring is suitably mounted
on a shaft, a', between the poles N S. The
contact-rings of each pair of generator-coils
are connected to these of the motor, respectively,
by means of contact-brushes and the
20 two pairs of conductors L L and L' L', as indicated
diagrammatically in Fig. 12. Now it
is obvious from a consideration of the preceding
figures that the rotation of the generatorring
produces currents in the coils F F', which,
12 5 being transmitted to the motor-coils, impart to
the core of the latter magnetic poles constantly
shifting or whirling around the core. This
effect sets up a rotation of the armature owing
to the attractive force between the shell
130 and the poles of the armature, but inasmuch
as the coils in this ease move relative to the
shell or field- magnet the movement of the
coils is in the opposite direction to the progressive
shifting of the poles.
35 Other arrangements of the coils of both generator
and motor are possible, and a greater
number of circuits may be used, as will be seen
in the two succeeding figures.


Again thanks for your time i know you have a family to attend to and it is sunday.  Its folks like you willing to help our generation that will make the difference
                                                                                                                         Joe
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 20, 2008, 07:01:52 PM
What I see missing from these discussions in defining functionality via the videos is scalability. Scalability is the most important clue you have to work with here. Ask yourself what functions have to be common among every device from the smallest to the largest TPU and then look for those clues.

This will make it rather obvious that materials are of little import as revealed by the use of wood, a wire spool with plastic end caps and a metallic wire spool as forms and chassis frames.

And once again this forensic approach will completely dismiss batteries as a means of defrauding viewers. Batteries of any chemistry especially nicad was grossly incapable of delivering this kind of power in a AA form factor. And if the scalability factor is considered as it must to be of any consequence, then the smallest TPU would not be possible yet we see it with our own eyes. Now someone with a lot of imagination could say that the small unit has hundreds of mercury button cells in it but hopefully we can all agree that this one step forward, two steps back is getting tedious.



Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 20, 2008, 07:02:03 PM
If my current train of thought is correct then one of the three conductors of the twin-lead windings is a portion of the collector. That would be the one in-between bifilar control coil conductors.

could you elaborate? are you alluding to a trifilar winding?

always thought the control winding on the otpu was that clear-type speaker wire; 2-conductor

@ Jack. are you able to add anything here as to what those control windings were based on what you saw? any wire going underneath? was it simple 2-conductor speaker wire, was there a 3rd conductor along side?
thanks
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Localjoe on April 20, 2008, 07:16:57 PM
@ poynt99

He mentioned the patent im dicussing it .. all the things needed can be bought at rat shack .. including the antenna bailing wire i sold it commonnly to folks to hold there new vu-90 or vu-180 antennas up. Just silver stuff, there hookup wire and other wires come on spools and you can get down to like 4 gauge power maybey even smaller in the back if that store still has real wire spools.

There is too much coiencidence from our old info to our new to not belive what jack is saying.. Read the tesla patent and the two others mentioned in it i mentiond above as well.
 You can have multiple working circuits superimposed upon one another and there gauge and type of wire will decide whether a current of large or small quantity is produceded through that but this device goes much deeper its a combination of a motor and a generator that runs itself and outputs excess possibly from the revolutons of the generator vs the motor ammt of winds. Also no moving parts.
                                                                                   Joe
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 20, 2008, 07:21:04 PM
If my current train of thought is correct then one of the three conductors of the twin-lead windings is a portion of the collector. That would be the one in-between bifilar control coil conductors.

could you elaborate? are you alluding to a trifilar winding?

always thought the control winding on the otpu was that clear-type speaker wire; 2-conductor

@ Jack. are you able to add anything here as to what those control windings were based on what you saw? any wire going underneath? was it simple 2-conductor speaker wire, was there a 3rd conductor along side?
thanks

Can't help you on that one. It's been over ten years now.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on April 20, 2008, 07:22:01 PM
could you elaborate? are you alluding to a trifilar winding?

always thought the control winding on the otpu was that clear-type speaker wire; 2-conductor

@ Jack. are you able to add anything here as to what those control windings were based on what you saw? any wire going underneath? was it simple 2-conductor speaker wire, was there a 3rd conductor along side?
thanks

Not alluding. Been saying it for months. It is obvious to me even before the better pics were posted - so is the counter handedness. Now that better pics of the 'FTPU' are here this gives me the similarities of form and now, I believe, function between all TPUs.
Yes, it is probably speaker wire. The third conductor should be the same wire 'zipped' apart. I'm familiar with that wire - as stated earlier. To the unfamiliar eye it looks the same as indoor 300 ohm twin-lead - and actually could be just that. The speaker wire version was a bit larger.
As for the consist of the mounting form - that is just another piece that now fits in each TPU puzzle. If the spool was metal it would likely heat up quickly if not prevent function completely.
None of my opinions can be confirmed, yet.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 20, 2008, 07:36:24 PM
its a combination of a motor and a generator that runs itself
Looks like so. However, is rotation a necessity if not just for the sake of scalability and higher output? I mean, can this OU thing be replicated with a single pulse coil and a single collector coil so that operation can be confirmed without going into a lot of other complexities?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 20, 2008, 07:52:31 PM
@JD,

This is also from SM pdf, I know you don't think any of his info is credible, but I just wanted you to think about this:-


Quote from SM:-

".....necessary to make the demonstrations you see on the video tapes available today. So in many ways we have early RCA color TV engineers to thank for my discovery of the power generator. I am sure they are all dead now but they did contribute........."

So I did some research and found:-
http://www.rmcybernetics.com/science/high_voltage/voltage_mult.htm

Three stage CW multipliers, commonly known as tripler, were used in most of the early B&W and colour TV's. The voltage drops rapidly as a function of the output current. In some applications, this is an advantage. The output V/I characteristic is roughly hyperbolic, so it serves well for charging capacitor banks to high voltages at roughly constant charging power. Furthermore, the ripple on the output, particularly at high loads, is quite high.

Increasing the frequency can dramatically reduce the ripple, and the voltage drop under load, which accounts for the popularity of driving a multiplier stack with a switching power supply. A clever way to reduce ripple is to implement a full wave voltage doubler as shown below. This effectively doubles the number of charging cycles per second, and thus cuts down the voltage drop and ripple factor. The input is usually fed from a centre tapped ac transformer or MOSFET H-bridge circuits.

You can find more detailed information regarding this subject by visiting Blaze Labs   :-http://www.blazelabs.com/e-exp15.asp:-


SM mentioned about the imploding tv set which killed a young boy, tv sets have high voltage systems in them, so its logical to think that this maybe the other piece of the puzzle. Plus the output dispalyed on SM multimeter is DC in nature

Are you aware at all of this story?

And again from SM:-
".......Energy conversion is different when you consider speed. 12 volts at 100 amps is slow and the energy can not dissipate quickly enough to kill you by discharge. But, it is a lot of energy especially if converted to speed. Reduce that 100 amps to 100 mA but increase the voltage (speed) to 100,000 volts and you can electrocute someone!
My unit operates on these principles. Think about all those frequencies traveling inside the collector coil and how they interact....."

I have a cct of a small high voltage dc to dc converter from electronics cookbook, using 555 timer, diagram attached, now my take on this is what if we were to use a small enough transformer inside the first tpu, and the output of that fed into the ring configuration, so basically my question would be, was there at that time a small enough transformer that could be placed inside the first two tpu's which would be concealed?

In a nutshell you have to take everything SM says with a grain of salt. SM is not an engineer but a tinkerer who didn't understand much of what he was doing. Like most tinkerers that attempt to explain  phenomenon with tortured logic and unconventional terminology. SM's blatherings can change on any given day or moon phase. I would not invest much time in looking for any hidden clues in SM's dissertations.

And again, this device was real and did function. At some point this site should be divided into two groups to streamline the processing of data

Group one = Yes the design worked and let's find a way to replicate it.

Group two= No this was a scam and used batteries and the moon landing was a hoax.

Maybe a third group= I know this is a fraud but I can't reveal my sources because they are voices in my head.

It's time to separate the men from the boys here and get moving forward. Sorry SM, the statement "separate the men from the boys" was not intended as a physical act. :o
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 20, 2008, 08:02:22 PM
Yes, it is probably speaker wire. The third conductor should be the same wire 'zipped' apart. I'm familiar with that wire - as stated earlier. To the unfamiliar eye it looks the same as indoor 300 ohm twin-lead - and actually could be just that. The speaker wire version was a bit larger.

ah heck, believe what you will.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Localjoe on April 20, 2008, 08:03:35 PM
Chicka chicka bow wow..
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: buzz-ard on April 20, 2008, 08:05:08 PM
Capital idea, Jack, about more focused threads in the forum. I've been thinking of a "Builder's Only" thread, where only documented, photographed replication attempt details would be posted, and a "Theory" area for general discussion. I'm monitoring a dozen different TPU threads right now, which is becoming quite tedious.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 20, 2008, 08:10:16 PM
Chicka chicka bow wow..

this kind of meaningless crap adds nothing and is a waste of bandwidth and space. pls stop mucking up these threads.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on April 20, 2008, 08:49:33 PM
ah heck, believe what you will.

No problem. Disagreement can be a good thing. I saw the pic before you removed it. It looked no different to me. I'll stop with the theories on this thread - as specified. In fact I'll not bother folks here again until I'm in the same league by having the videos to view.

Good Luck!
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 20, 2008, 08:53:23 PM
@ Jack, thanks for the reply on the material. are those the speaker parts you mentioned before?

Indeed. Steven used whatever was lying around. Spheric was building speakers and SM had bits and pieces all over the place. I would be shocked (sorry bad term) if there was anything sophisticated utilized in this effort.

Another hint that may have eluded some here... If SM could so easily switch chassis materials from non-ferrous to ferrous like the metallic empty spool shown in the TPU demo atop the stack of Sony VCR's, one has to discount the role of metals and magnets. Except of course SM using magnets to plug into "Receptors" LOL.

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 20, 2008, 09:12:23 PM
one has to discount the role of metals and magnets.
Well, one should not discount the role of charge (like static charge of capacitor).
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spider on April 20, 2008, 09:30:54 PM
@Jack,

Goodmorning,

I just want to say I totally agree with you and appreciate your efforts here!

When the time is right and I have figured out the rigth configuration, I will build my own TPU.

But first I have to finish my new kitchen here. i dont know what would be worse, an exploding wife or an exploding tpu. ;)

greetings from the netherlands, Rene.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: orbs on April 20, 2008, 09:34:36 PM
I've made an attempt at subtitling the first 15 minutes of the DVD.
I have added 5 more minutes worth of English subtitles from EMdevices' transcript (http://overunity.com/index.php/topic,3872.0.html).
I will add the part from whatsup's transcript (http://overunity.com/index.php/topic,3403.msg53135.html#msg53135) to complete it. The text might be off-sync at times and I'll correct that after jdurban makes available the final cut if he won't include subtitles already.

Edit: see update below (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4486.msg91015.html#msg91015).
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 20, 2008, 09:41:55 PM
ah heck, believe what you will.

No problem. Disagreement can be a good thing. I saw the pic before you removed it. It looked no different to me. I'll stop with the theories on this thread - as specified. In fact I'll not bother folks here again until I'm in the same league by having the videos to view.

Good Luck!

whatever dude  8)
i can't help it if you can't see something that is as plain as day and right before your very eyes  :o

you know, there are a lot of difficult things yet to figure out and understand with the tpu, but there are also a few easy items that we can pick off right away. it just saddens me when i see that even the easy ones are being mistaken for something else. sure is going to make the road that much longer.

no, good luck to you dude, you'll need it.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Localjoe on April 20, 2008, 09:42:34 PM
@Poynt99

Obviousally you didnt get jack's joke.." Sorry SM, the statement "separate the men from the boys" was not intended as a physical act. " lighten up i seem to be the only one besides buzzard following the tesla patent, no need for flames here ..
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Jdo300 on April 20, 2008, 09:44:10 PM
Hello Everyone,

Seems like there is a whole lot of great discussion and theories but no experiment to test anything going on here.

Concerning the question regarding the number of conductors on the OTPU, this was discussed almost a year ago and I actually did an experiment to see what the effects of a trifilar-wound could would be. My personal opinion is in agreeance with what BEP said. I believe that the elusive collector coil is wound in between the two speaker/lamp wire conductors.

My first hint of this was from a collash of digitally enhanced screenshots that someone posted a while back:

(http://www.picattic.com/files/s6it057au15o036fqta5.jpg)

If you look closely, in some of the images there appears to be something shiny in between the darker windings. At the time I saw this I believed it to be magnet wire. Of course, the image is fuzzy and you can't be 100% sure that this is correct, which is why I decided to TEST the theory.

You can see my results in this post here complete with photos and scope shots:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg31591.html#msg31591

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 20, 2008, 09:50:11 PM
@Poynt99

Obviousally you didnt get jack's joke.." Sorry SM, the statement "separate the men from the boys" was not intended as a physical act. " lighten up i seem to be the only one besides buzzard following the tesla patent, no need for flames here ..

wtf?

are you drunk man? if you're not, maybe you ought to be. no wonder you're lost. that's not what Jack meant at all fool. obviously your also one that can't get the easy ones right. try contributing something instead of poking with your meaningless gestures.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Localjoe on April 20, 2008, 10:02:47 PM
@jdurban & Jdo300

If your starting threads for speific replications may i suggest one for the otpu and another for ther versions covered in black tape and possibly leave this one for basic theory of operation for the devices in all their forms.  Just a thought
                                                              Joe




Poynt99

Msg me privately if you have more flames for me.not here
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 20, 2008, 11:03:30 PM
Hmm,
I am still puzzled about the 50 milliohm internal resistance of the OpenTPU,
if it is no fake.
Maybe he had just hidden batteries inside the 2 x 60 Watts lamps stands ?
But it did not seem, that these stand were heavy as he lifted them up...

I had no time yet to study fully,
what user Spherics said in all of his postings:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10881;sa=showPosts

And he seems to know SM maybe better than Jack has known him.... ???

Surely one could fake all the videos,
for instance hide a big coil inside the table inside the cupboard on this
expensive table and do the wiring for the power transfer from the floor to the
cupboard and
use a fake lightbulb on the street outside as Dave CTGLABs has done for fun
once.

But also we have the reports of Prof. Schinzinger
and Jack himself says that the TPU worked.

So I am probably lost in this moment
and have to study it more.
It seems for sure, that if the OpenTPU has no
white wire as the output coil hidden inside the 4 red control coils
then it seems to work on completely other principles
as the rest of the other TPUs.

So then , how does he generate with it the power output
at the OpenTPU and
how can the internal resistance only be 50 milliOhms ?

Marco,
or somebody else
please post the URL of the Carl DOC.
It seems I have missed this one.
Many thanks.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Jdo300 on April 20, 2008, 11:28:56 PM
Hi Stefan,

The Carl letters are in the TPU Compilation PDF that Marco made.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2383.0;attach=9211

The letters start on page 37.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Vortex1 on April 20, 2008, 11:46:06 PM
Shown is the top grille of a Spheric speaker system. It is made by stacking the rings similar to those shown in the otpu. Shown are Model 25K that housed a 10" woofer. Smaller models were built in a similar manner.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dom on April 21, 2008, 12:22:14 AM


In a nutshell you have to take everything SM says with a grain of salt. SM is not an engineer but a tinkerer who didn't understand much of what he was doing. Like most tinkerers that attempt to explain  phenomenon with tortured logic and unconventional terminology. SM's blatherings can change on any given day or moon phase. I would not invest much time in looking for any hidden clues in SM's dissertations.

And again, this device was real and did function. At some point this site should be divided into two groups to streamline the processing of data

Group one = Yes the design worked and let's find a way to replicate it.

Group two= No this was a scam and used batteries and the moon landing was a hoax.

Maybe a third group= I know this is a fraud but I can't reveal my sources because they are voices in my head.

It's time to separate the men from the boys here and get moving forward. Sorry SM, the statement "separate the men from the boys" was not intended as a physical act. :o

Thanks Jack, Yes that being the case, I'm just giving the dude benefit of the doubt, and won't put all that he said as BS. Anyway I'll keep an open mind, and go in this direction......
Because HV is evident in these units, It could be possible that these type of ccts could be concealed, notice in the 90volt tpu he has apart which is taped, it looks like gray or a green tape, and in the first tpu he could have it concealed in the centre...we just need HV to kick start things off.......its duable no?

Dom
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 21, 2008, 12:29:03 AM
@Jack,

Goodmorning,

I just want to say I totally agree with you and appreciate your efforts here!

When the time is right and I have figured out the rigth configuration, I will build my own TPU.

But first I have to finish my new kitchen here. i dont know what would be worse, an exploding wife or an exploding tpu. ;)

greetings from the netherlands, Rene.

Hi Rene,

Thanks for the kind welcome.

Good luck and send video if either blows up!

Do you go to many Eredivise matches?

Can you get me an autographed Van Nistelrooy Jersey?!  ;D ;D ;D Name your price!



Cheers,

Jack

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 21, 2008, 12:33:42 AM
Shown is the top grille of a Spheric speaker system. It is made by stacking the rings similar to those shown in the otpu. Shown are Model 25K that housed a 10" woofer. Smaller models were built in a similar manner.

Did that bring back some memories! Where did you find that shot?

The stack was actually held in place with screws. It was a mess of an assembly. I threw away a bin full!
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: shimondoodkin on April 21, 2008, 12:37:45 AM
has anybody analized the audio frequencies, maybe there is somthing besides the hiss.

i have tried but i am not sure about the results.

in the first video i saw some picks at 190MHz and at 205MHz and at 16KHz
near 5 i just coud imagine somthing. maybe ther eis maybe there not.

the first 2.3 2.5 3.8 and 4.9 7.8


the second is 2.5kh
the third smallest is 3Kh
when he uses the device the frequency despires

at the largest
the
3.3KHz
2.3KHz
1.7KHz
1.1KHz
0.9KHz

it seems like from starting the result frequence is slowly rising like it takes 30 seconds to it to go from 2.5khz to 4.8khz

also it looks like there is a harmonic frequency duplication to up and to down from the main
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 21, 2008, 12:54:40 AM
Hmm,
I am still puzzled about the 50 milliohmn internal resistance of the OpenTPU,
if it is no fake.
Maybe he had just hidden batteries inside the 2 x 60 Watts lamps stands ?
But it did not seem, that these stand were heavy as he lifted them up...

I had no time yet to study fully,
what user Spherics said in all of his postings:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10881;sa=showPosts

And he seems to know SM maybe better than Jack has known him.... ???

Surely one could fake all the videos,
for instance hide a big coil inside the table inside the cupboard on this
expensive table and do the wiring for the power transfer from the floor to the
cupboard and
use a fake lightbulb on the street outside as Dave CTGLABs has done for fun
once.

But also we have the reports of Prof. Schinzinger
and Jack himself says that the TPU worked.

So I am probably lost in this moment
and have to study it more.
It seems for sure, that if the OpenTPU has no
white wire as the output coil hidden inside the 4 red control coils
then it seems to work on completely other principles
as the rest of the other TPUs.
So then , how does he get with it the power output and
how can the internal resistance only be 50 milliOhms ?

Marco,
or somebody else
please post the URL of the Carl DOC.
It seems I have missed this one.
Many thanks.


The device was demonstrated on the hood of a car. A metal car. Being miles away from the mansion, there is little likelyhood for a Tesla primary to reach the demo site
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: innovation_station on April 21, 2008, 01:16:48 AM
@ dom

well you return with more intresting words ...

sounds like a diffrence in potencial no?


ist

" THEASE ARE NOT FREE ENGERY DEVICES THEY ARE CONVERSION DEVICES....."  ~SM~

so how do you make a bunch of kicks at the same time?  bucking    what do you do with a bunch of kicks?   collect them and use them....?!?!?!

 
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: orbs on April 21, 2008, 01:18:21 AM
I will add the part from whatsup's transcript (http://overunity.com/index.php/topic,3403.msg53135.html#msg53135) to complete it.

OK, complete subtitles here. Please report any inaccuracies.

Edit: removed some more typos.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dom on April 21, 2008, 02:17:00 AM
@ dom

well you return with more intresting words ...

sounds like a diffrence in potencial no?


ist

" THEASE ARE NOT FREE ENGERY DEVICES THEY ARE CONVERSION DEVICES....."  ~SM~

so how do you make a bunch of kicks at the same time?  bucking    what do you do with a bunch of kicks?   collect them and use them....?!?!?!

 

I'm just thinking here, were dealing with HV, so that dc to dc converter is a good start in my opinion, just have to meld that with the TPU,
Conversion devices, what to what? Think about it, I know i said this in the macedonia thread, I just have been working on bedini stuff, and havent got around to the TPU, but people like Jason always informs me whats going down in TPU land, and I have never lost interest, I had another fellow i also keep intouch with, and to his knowledge he is not aware of anyone trying HV yet...., he is also good with electronics, and has said that it would be very easy to conceal that type of cct in a TPU. I'm referring to something like the 555 timer with small transformer, he may have used simple transistors to do the same thing.
So I went back for the clues, like super sleuth, there, about old TV sets, and him talking about HV, so am i only one missing the point here, or have others here at least agreed with this concept.....

Think of this also, because were using HV in a TPU, That the electrons are smashing into one another, therefore the kicks.
Speed, like a particle accelerator, wheres the extra energy coming from, ya........so my belief is in this direction, I can only try this when it comes time, Just wanted to bounce this off the TPU group to perhaps get someone who has a setup to try it......

@Jack very important question, and one that has been bugging me.. and you may have answered this already, but have you built one?
If so do you have any pics? I can't believe all this time that you wouldn't have.......

Sorry I don't mean to sound like an ass, but it's bugged me...
Another thing to you must have been aware of TPU group, these guys have been busy, it seems in the interview that you weren't aware of it
I'm not trying to have ago at you here, far from it, but these questions just spring up in peoples minds.
Just a general search in Google would reveal what were all upto.....

I do Apologize if this offends, hope we can still be mates...

Dom

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: innovation_station on April 21, 2008, 02:34:48 AM
this may work   ;) ;D 8)

ist

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 21, 2008, 02:57:57 AM
thanks for that picture Vortex1,  very interesting.   It looks to be copper.   Hmmm...... time to alter the theories...once again   LOL

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dom on April 21, 2008, 04:12:32 AM
Another analogy if you like, we have a hose spurting water at high pressue, just holding the hose out straight we would be wasting alot of this water,  (energy) but what if we made a device that was circular and connected the high pressured water into that, we wouldnt be wasting it but perhaps reutilizing the effect, we would have something completely different......I'm just trying to work on what we got already, i.e the high pressure straight hose, so lets work on that and see what we can get..........Im a simpleton yes, and I like to look at it that way, im rather good at it, because i don't have the same education, but basics in electronics.......

KISS

Keep it simple stupid

Dom

 
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 21, 2008, 04:13:55 AM
@ dom

well you return with more intresting words ...

sounds like a diffrence in potencial no?

Any way
ist

" THEASE ARE NOT FREE ENGERY DEVICES THEY ARE CONVERSION DEVICES....."  ~SM~

so how do you make a bunch of kicks at the same time?  bucking    what do you do with a bunch of kicks?   collect them and use them....?!?!?!

 

I'm just thinking here, were dealing with HV, so that dc to dc converter is a good start in my opinion, just have to meld that with the TPU,
Conversion devices, what to what? Think about it, I know i said this in the macedonia thread, I just have been working on bedini stuff, and havent got around to the TPU, but people like Jason always informs me whats going down in TPU land, and I have never lost interest, I had another fellow i also keep intouch with, and to his knowledge he is not aware of anyone trying HV yet...., he is also good with electronics, and has said that it would be very easy to conceal that type of cct in a TPU. I'm referring to something like the 555 timer with small transformer, he may have used simple transistors to do the same thing.
So I went back for the clues, like super sleuth, there, about old TV sets, and him talking about HV, so am i only one missing the point here, or have others here at least agreed with this concept.....

Think of this also, because were using HV in a TPU, That the electrons are smashing into one another, therefore the kicks.
Speed, like a particle accelerator, wheres the extra energy coming from, ya........so my belief is in this direction, I can only try this when it comes time, Just wanted to bounce this off the TPU group to perhaps get someone who has a setup to try it......

@Jack very important question, and one that has been bugging me.. and you may have answered this already, but have you built one?
If so do you have any pics? I can't believe all this time that you wouldn't have.......

Sorry I don't mean to sound like an ass, but it's bugged me...
Another thing to you must have been aware of TPU group, these guys have been busy, it seems in the interview that you weren't aware of it
I'm not trying to have ago at you here, far from it, but these questions just spring up in peoples minds.
Just a general search in Google would reveal what were all upto.....

I do Apologize if this offends, hope we can still be mates...

Dom



No offense taken mate. I knew better at the time (1996/97)  that this technology was not going to be easy to replicate. As exciting as it was being around it for a while I dropped it and never spent a moment trying to replicate it. What actually happened that drove me away was first the failure of Extreme Technologies that I had a lot of time and money in and there was a break-in planned that I wanted nothing to do with so I completely unplugged from all involved. I still have contact with a couple people from the group but they were investors. I tried to get word to SM to keep an eye out but I could never get a hold of him. I warned the individuals that if they proceeded with their plan that I would testify against them and I assumed they reconsidered. I since learned rather recently that a break in did occur. I don't know if it was the act of the two persons I was familiar with or not.

I'm glad you asked about why I never looked you guys up before. To be honest I lost interest long ago as in 11 years ago and it never occurred to me that this many people knew of the device until I saw it on Youtube this year! I saw references to this on the forum here where some thought I had to know of you guys before the interview. I did not know you until right before the interview when someone sent me a pdf that had some info in it regarding the device and communications with someone representing themselves as Steven.

I was told that Steven was assassinated by a rather famous large company whose name shall remain anonymous since I can't verify the story.

I run a small technology firm www.vorel.com (http://www.vorel.com) and I am always busy with 10-20 projects a year covering nearly every high tech industry today. I am into Asset Tracking, RFID, Navigation, Robotics www.pleoworld.com (http://www.pleoworld.com) Loss prevention www.gatekeepersystems.com (http://www.gatekeepersystems.com) Advanced electro-optics www.dyn-optics.com (http://www.dyn-optics.com) and provide patent prosecution services and I.P. portfolio consulting. My new website will be up tomorrow www.vorelco.com (http://www.vorelco.com) and feel free to stop by.

Hope this clears some things up about myself and my motivations. I am just hard working lab rat like many of you with a good 20,000 hours plus of lab time developing breakthrough products for clients and my holdings for 30 years now.


All the best,

Jack Durban
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dom on April 21, 2008, 05:30:33 AM
Jack were mates for life then, appreciate that you answered, like many here we have new hope.
I just hope the story of the assassintion arent true, I would not spread a rumour like that unless someone knew something, but more than likely I believe you.

Thanks for sharing all so far, and i hope by doing so, doesn't stick your neck out, that it makes you a target. We'd hate to lose someone like yourself that has come forward, It would be tragic, and piss us off to no end.
Most here prob are targets, even cluding myself. But we won't let it go, it's too important for the advancement of the human race. And I could go as far as to say spiritual advancement would be right up there.....

Just take alook at this site, and many others that dedicate there time and money to free energy projects, your not alone in the endeavor, and you would have many friends here...

GodBless,

Dom
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: powerunlimited on April 21, 2008, 05:41:58 AM
ARE you people aware of the video posted on youtube where they cut
apart the big TPU,I believe Jack said he wasn't there at that one.In this
 video there is a large group of people
Steve says  its not working right, maybe
he forgot to get the good kind of batteries.Anyway he begins to remove components until
the camera shows the  inside of the TPU missing a lot of parts and still working somewhat
and hooked to 3 light bulbs in series still lighting,theres still voltage at the output they measured it.
That Professor from the University says can I check something,he has a coil hooked to a meter
to detect a magnetic field he does, around theTPU,then they begin to cut wires and saw the TPU
the question is what happened to all of the batteries in the TPU, the answer is there never were any batteries and
this works on an unknown principle.So to built it is going to be an gigantic problem
I believe Steve is the inventor as hard as that is to be true ,the reason I believe it resembles teslas
is he was trying to duplicate it,in doing so he stumbled onto an anomaly,an educated person would have written it off.He didn't and the result was the TPU this is why its so hard to duplicate
plus to protect it he throw in red herrings in the TPU, plus bold face lies,good stories some truth with good lies
remember he had to fool engineers and did.The collector on the big TPU has to be a straight wire with 900 volts able to
source 1 amp of current thats magic,a magnetic field to do this to a wire would have to be gigantic,what the source of this power is I don't know.LIike Jack has told you Steve is tricky what you see may not be what is.

 
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: eldarion on April 21, 2008, 06:49:34 AM
P.S.  Who was that guy that produced DC at a particular frequency with a simular setup (although he lumped his coils in 3 sectors)  That was interesting since the DC showed up at a particular frequency only.

Did you ever find out who this was?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 21, 2008, 06:58:54 AM
thanks for that picture Vortex1,  very interesting.   It looks to be copper.   Hmmm...... time to alter the theories...once again   LOL
Metal type is of no importance IMO. What's more important is assembly. That thing looks like a grand capacitor to me. Who said it is a speaker? :) Model 25K? Like 25 kiloWatts or 25 kiloVolts? :)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 21, 2008, 07:09:10 AM
a magnetic field to do this to a wire would have to be gigantic,what the source of this power is I don't know.

If this is done by magnetic monopoles like in Emmanuel Grenier theory, I would not even doubt about such energetic capacity. It is an anomaly. A very f***ing shame anomaly to all kinds of power mongers. His French PDF article can be taken here: http://www.uf.narod.ru/pop/Fusion100_Rus.htm (the body of the site is Russian) http://www.uf.narod.ru/pop/SEA_Rus.htm

My hypothesis the energy is actually created by gravity monopoles, but it's always good to have two hypothesis in the case one does not work.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 21, 2008, 07:28:24 AM
P.S.  Who was that guy that produced DC at a particular frequency with a simular setup (although he lumped his coils in 3 sectors)  That was interesting since the DC showed up at a particular frequency only.

Did you ever find out who this was?
libra_spirit
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3810.0.html
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: scraven on April 21, 2008, 07:28:57 AM
here is the video of the tpu being violated - http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-1944827568401901581&q=tpu&ei=HSUMSNz0B43O4gLgo-ixBA

recognize any of the faces Jack?

edit: it would be awesome if someone could clean up the audio and or subtitle it.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 21, 2008, 07:46:42 AM
Why would 61 vdc, 110 vdc, 160 vdc and even 850 vdc be considered High Voltage. lol These voltages are seen all the time with standard transformers. I don't see why this would be called high voltage.

When SM was making these videos, he was living on Paranoid Mountain always worrying about people around him trying to steal his device, always worrying about saying the wrong thing to give away the secrets, so he made use of magnets as a diversion and during his talks, gave out wrong info so anyone involved in high technology could not catch it. And if they tried by relying on what he said, they would be swimming forever in Wrong Lake. Now here's something else. I have seen inventors showing their devices and some would put a box on the most critical part of the device or decide to makeup some functions. So maybe SM did the same with the magnet again. This device is so simple a Popsicle could compete and win. Just jokin.

Forget about the theory. Or if the theory is longer then four short sentences, it's too complex. Let the device tell its story by itself. No ad libbing should be allowed. And if you do, be prepared to support it and be prepared to be knocked down or not. There is no other way.

On the FTPU, I think I found the on/off switch. lolololololololololol.

Look at this. I see so much much more.

- The Toroid has holes going from top to bottom of the core and there is a black wire that is laced through some of the holes.
- The coils are not quads, they are halves.
- There are 4 halves, two on the top two on the bottom.
- The black openings of the white glue is simply electrical tape.
- The coils come inwards at 12 and 6 o'clock.
- The EM capacitor is connected to another black wire.
- There is an on/off switch. lol Not again.
- Some said the spool is plastic. I agree.
- There is a battery on the inside of the spool center compartment. There is alot of space there and when the device is turned upside down, you can see an inordinate shininess in the center with one wire ending there as if the battery negative with a soldered wire. lol
- The ring wire is at least 4 turns.

I was about to post a diagram but now have to integrate the above items.

Also, you have to consider the FTPU was not loaded so he was probably just reading what Humbuger would call reactive power. This first TPU was probably not his and probably when he connected a light bulb, it never lit and that is why he is not showing this. I am producing 1400 volts of reactive power that barely activates a 12 volt relay. The FTPU was his foot in the door.

The more I look at the FTPU the more I see.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 21, 2008, 07:49:56 AM
here is the video of the tpu being violated - http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-1944827568401901581&q=tpu&ei=HSUMSNz0B43O4gLgo-ixBA

recognize any of the faces Jack?

edit: it would be awesome if someone could clean up the audio and or subtitle it.

Just Steven. Unfortunately another poor quality video.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 21, 2008, 08:11:55 AM
I am producing 1400 volts of reactive power that barely activates a 12 volt relay.
But you do need to invest power into pulses - not voltage alone. Preferrably measured in Joules per pulse. Or there would be no serious 'movement' inside the coils. Two things are necessary: short rise time and relatively high power. Voltage alone won't do it, be it even kilovolts but at nanoamps. Well, if not Joules, but milliJoules at least.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dom on April 21, 2008, 08:12:41 AM
your alright Jack, your alright mate, I like you

 ;D

Dom
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Jdo300 on April 21, 2008, 10:31:33 AM
FYI,

The last two Video parts (4 and 5) have now been uploaded to the MediaFire folder for those who want it. All five parts of the video on the DVD are there now.

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=bcb5de0bd0f181ea8c9e7c56ba37815f5a52c02ec6da2cd7

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dom on April 21, 2008, 02:02:01 PM
Three stage CW multipliers, commonly known as tripler, were used in most of the early B&W and colour TV's. The voltage drops rapidly as a function of the output current. In some applications, this is an advantage. The output V/I characteristic is roughly hyperbolic, so it serves well for charging capacitor banks to high voltages at roughly constant charging power. Furthermore, the ripple on the output, particularly at high loads, is quite high.

http://www.rmcybernetics.com/projects/DIY_Devices/homemade_voltage_multiplier.htm

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Vortex1 on April 21, 2008, 03:15:43 PM
To all and Aleks

Here's where I found the Spheric speaker pics:

http://ebay.auction.co.kr/detail.html?itemNo=270218384119&FeedBackPercent=99.6

..........V
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 21, 2008, 03:46:27 PM
To all and Aleks

Here's where I found the Spheric speaker pics:

http://ebay.auction.co.kr/detail.html?itemNo=270218384119&FeedBackPercent=99.6

Thanks! So, it's a speaker made by some Spheric Audio Lab in 1995? Well, I would say that for a non-subwoofer speaker (the top one does not look like one) it's probably a very stupid design of a grille (but I may be mistaken). Can it be that somebody was producing these speakers just for the sake of lowering cost of a grille for inside use? $400 is a lot for a single speaker (well, quality speakers cost $1000 each today, I have a pair, but they are top quality studio monitors - not these insane grilles). Of course, it's a conspiracy point of view. Maybe somebody here can come up with a simpler explanation.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 21, 2008, 04:04:32 PM
Some thoughts:

1)  Heat:    well Steven says "these things do get hot" in the OTPU video  (two ring open one) and is cautious not to touch it.  So, do you guys think it makes sense to assume the rings are plastic?  or wood? which can deform or melt? I would think not, but perhaps Steven couldn't care less.

2)  In the LTPU video,  (actualy in the first part where he demos the small and slightly larger hand held devices on the glass table)  he says these "devices"  have a frequency of around 5000 Hz,   Notice he uses the plural form.  It would make us think all his devices tap into some 5000 Hz frequency that's all around us.   Is there such a frequency?

I've been thinking about #2 this weekend,   what if there are SPHERICAL standing waves in the earth cavity, between the earth and the ionosphere?    I'm not talking about the Schumann resonance, which assumes a different mode of resonance  (waves are assumed to go round and round around the earth, so the wavelength is so much larger)   

Let's look at the typical height of the Ionosphere above the earth:   mean distance can change from 60 km to maybe 90 km or so, let's try the shorter distance and compute the frequency that has this distance as it's wavelength.

f = (3e8 m/s ) / (6e4 m) = 5000  Hz        ;D

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 21, 2008, 04:39:32 PM
f = (3e8 m/s ) / (6e4 m) = 5000  Hz        ;D
Good find I guess. However, it's only a cavity. If there is any energy present (who pumps it?) you need a receiver 60km long. Can pulsing of TPU's "charge cloud" create some kind of coupling to this resonance? I myself in doubt about that, because I cannot envision system that can do such tweak. Has anybody heard of 5kHz energy spectral line of Earth's EM fields?

Then again, pulsing itself has some interesting features: it's possible to perform small-scale matter transmuation by means of high energy pulses.

Maybe 5kHz is just another "logical" and simple to attain frequency which does not really mean much. Otto's sinewaves turned to be around 65kHz after tuning.

One idea, though... If you imagine an EM wave which bounces between ionosphere and ground in each direction, 5000 times per second. As in acoustic waves, this creates a two-directional pressure. Beside that, if we are subjected to cancellation standing wave, we won't even notice it in a common EM spectrum, but the energy may be there. So, what will happen if we disrupt the flow of this EM wave? It's the same thing as placing a rotating plate in acoustic wave node. What will happen if node's frequency is 100 Hz and plate rotates in impulse mode 100 times per second? I guess something should happen - possibly, plate will focus energy of the node. How's this theory to you? :)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on April 21, 2008, 04:53:16 PM
5kHz is probably just a mechanical resonance from SM's wonderful hand-wound, unpotted coils.   This is undesirable in speaker coils.

The vibration is audible which puts in the range of hearing, so maybe he felt the need to explain it away.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 21, 2008, 04:54:01 PM
Here's an interesting site that describes SPHERICS, TWEEKS, WHISTLERS, and you can hear them, etc..

http://www.spaceweather.com/glossary/inspire.html

I'm not saying this is how the TPU functions, but it's something to consider.

@ Grumpy
Quote
5kHz is probably just a mechanical resonance from SM's wonderful hand-wound, unpotted coils.   This is undesirable in speaker coils.

well I assumed that  all along, that it was some resonance due to the dimension, but then recently, I got the impression all the different TPUs, of varing diameters, all functioned at 5 to 6 KHz.    And he seems to reiterate that they extract energy from the "earth magnetic field, which has an INHERENT frequency"   It's a definite frequency, and "you tune to it" like he says.    So, is this INHERENT FREQUENCY = 5 KHz  ?

So, haveing said that, this is not in opposition to having the device resonant.  In fact, it needs to be resonant at the same frequency for it to work effectively.  After all we tune antennas to be resonant at the desired frequency.

If we are to embark on the TPU as a Receiver, theory,  then the TPU is some sort of loop antenna that taps into a naturally occuring frequency.

@all
OMEGA was a navigation signal operated by the US Coast Guard (in the United States) and other countries around the world. In the frequency range above 10 kilohertz, the signal could be heard as a repeating series of tones. On the spectrogram, OMEGA show up as a series of horizontal dashes of about one-second duration. Each of the seven OMEGA stations transmitted a unique pattern of four tones that repeated every ten seconds. OMEGA ceased operation in September 1997, done in by the advent of global positioning system (GPS) technology. Those of us who have studied VLF miss OMEGA a lot.

my interpretation ....... OMEGA cesed operation since the electric bill got too high all of a suden     LOL   :D

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 21, 2008, 05:14:36 PM
Hi @EM

About the 5000hz, let's take a typical power generator. They usually turn at 1200 to 3600rpm or hz but they are forced drive and work against BEMF and this is why they produce energy. So if the tpu is basically a non physically moving rotor/stator system, cycles of 5000 or more would be frivolously easy to maintain. Such frequencies would be actually required because of the lower BEMP developed in non-moving rotor/stator systems, hence the lower power production. This also explain why you cannot drive an inductive load. So in these cases, a higher frequency would be required and considered normal.

I do not think there is any real link between the TPUs and the ether. It is using basic power production principles that are being employed and all talk by SM of the earth's energy field is another form of distraction designed to both provide the layman with a convenient and low end description of a plausible energy source. If you think the energy source is the Earths Fields, you are less likely to look for the real source inside the device and the scene is set for a more effective demo.

@Stefan

Dale Dolshal was SMs partner is the 3D sound in Spheric. Why not communicate with him and see if he has any pictures of Spheric Speakers. The photo posted above does not show the round grill from the inside so we cannot state if it was actually used in any of the TPUs.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5487113.html

@Vortex1

Thanks for the picture of the grill. Very good snooping around. Maybe if you can e-mail the person who posted it and ask him to take a picture of the inside of the grill, what material it is made of, etc. We would need to see the inside before saying it was used in TPUs.

@All

If I had an R&D dept., I would ask some to work on a new thread about non-transistorized pulsing methods. No SS components. How many ways can you pulse things without using a turning commutator or solid state components. What could be discovered in this new thread could be used here and elsewhere. I now it goes against the grain of most EEers but I think we have to consider this seriously.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Turz on April 21, 2008, 05:23:21 PM
Just an assumption
we know that (SM statements):
1) TPU "vibrate"
2) the frequencies are related to circumference of tpu

We know that SM in OTPU probably used woofer frames
reading at this link: http://www.speakerbuilding.com/content/1022/page_3.php
we can read:

Quote
In Fig.3 we can see that duct tuning frequency is 38Hz (dip point between two peak at low frequency). Besides duct tuning frequency, one can see defeats of system. We can see some small ripples at 212Hz, 732Hz, 1367Hz, and 3960Hz. After some other experiments, I found the reason of each ripple.

212Hz ripple:

It's a resonance frequency of woofer frame. It doesn't happen when I measured a unit alone. It happens when installed on cabinet and It even can be felt by touching fingers to the frame. Excel woofer have only 4 screw holes on frame and frame is not well damped. I think SEAS have to consider to make more holes on the frame. To dampen that resonance, I attached damping materials to the back frame(See strips of Dynamat in Fig. 5. Treatment for woofer frame resonance) After that treatment it disappeared clearly.

Turz
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 21, 2008, 05:26:46 PM
They usually turn at 1200 to 3600rpm or hz
RPM is not Hz, far from it. RPM is Hz * 60.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 21, 2008, 05:36:11 PM
Hi Stefan,

The Carl letters are in the TPU Compilation PDF that Marco made.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2383.0;attach=9211

The letters start on page 37.

God Bless,
Jason O

Many thanks again Jason for all the work you
put into it and also for uploading the last parts.

I restudied this Document again and Marco was quite right.
The OpenTPU could also have been made
from bifilar wire.

What is clear now to me is, that ALL the TPUs
are based on rotating magnet fields
which extract like whirlwinds or tornados
probably some magnetic energy from the surrounding.

To get a basic effect I guess it is only important to rotate
3 or 4 coils with the right shiftregister pulse train,
so that we have fast revolving magnet fields and
then extract the power from it via 90 degrees oriented coils,
so the 3 or 4 control coils are not dragged down via counterEMF.

In the big 17 inch LargeTPU the output coil is just a a big ring
of stranded copper wire ( loudspeaker cable), where the control coils are wound around it.

In the OpenTPU SM speaks of:

"here I place the magnets into
the "Receptors""

Could these "Receptors" be the
Receivers of energy of the rotating magnet field ?

Probably yes !

I played around yeasterday night to deinterlace the
video and have looked at it back and forth for several hours
again and again in slow motion and also changed the Gamma and contrast
to see more wires, etc...
and I am sure the OpenTPU has at least 3 or 4 of these
magnets with "Receptors" in these "stand quaders"

Also SM admitted in that compiled PDF document that
there are 9 Volt batteries in some TPUs
for setting up the control circuits..

So I think these "Receptors" are just special 90 degrees coils
to the rotating magnet vortex which intercept the rotating flux
and don?t weaken the rotating flux.

I still need to try other deinterlace filters for virtualdubmod
and when I am ready I will post these deinterlaced
short clips.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 21, 2008, 05:39:21 PM
thanks for that Turz,  nice angle.

@all,

here's a chart showing all the energy at around 6 kHz captured from a VLF station.   

Ok, so this is all nice and dandy, and we know the electromagnetic spectrum is littered with energy.  The real question is how to construct an efficient receiver, and how did Steven do it, and how does rotation play a part?

EM

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: buzz-ard on April 21, 2008, 05:52:19 PM
@ wattsup

You are spot-on about generators and frequency and not driving an inductive load in your response to EMDevices. What the TPU lacks in brute force it has to make up for in quantity, i.e. frequency. I also agree with you about not having any interaction with the aether - there's nothing about this device that suggests it. And any unusual magnetic field it produces is a just manifestation of the compass trying to follow the pulse train, I think, but not a novel rotating mag field as SM suggested. Even in my pitiful little build of Tesla's device I didn't see anything other than localized field effects per segment, as expected.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: slapper on April 21, 2008, 05:57:41 PM
Very interesting EMdevices.

Don't mean to detract anyone from the great efforts but here is a recent article from 'Live Science' titled: "Earth's Hum Sounds More Mysterious Than Ever"

Some exerts:
oscillations that researchers found made up this hum were "spheroidal" and Now oscillations have been discovered making up the hum that, oddly, are shaped roughly like rings.

Here is the link if anyone is interested - they do not get into much detail in this article:
http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/080416-earth-hum.html (http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/080416-earth-hum.html)

Take care.

nap

Thanks for all the help Jack. Greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Localjoe on April 21, 2008, 06:01:20 PM
@Buzzard
             great work replicating that already , Im not far behind you and another guy on here is doing the same.  Which part of the device have you replicated the ring ? and the generator or just the ring.?  In 381,968 it describes how to operate the motor . How were you testing the ring and were the poles shifted incrementally aroudn the ring producing a circular motion on a compass, if not theres a bit more there for ya.  ;D
                                                                                                                                       Joe
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on April 21, 2008, 06:03:30 PM
@ Grumpy
Quote
5kHz is probably just a mechanical resonance from SM's wonderful hand-wound, unpotted coils.   This is undesirable in speaker coils.

well I assumed that  all along, that it was some resonance due to the dimension, but then recently, I got the impression all the different TPUs, of varing diameters, all functioned at 5 to 6 KHz.    And he seems to reiterate that they extract energy from the "earth magnetic field, which has an INHERENT frequency"   It's a definite frequency, and "you tune to it" like he says.    So, is this INHERENT FREQUENCY = 5 KHz  ?

So, haveing said that, this is not in opposition to having the device resonant.  In fact, it needs to be resonant at the same frequency for it to work effectively.  After all we tune antennas to be resonant at the desired frequency.

If we are to embark on the TPU as a Receiver, theory,  then the TPU is some sort of loop antenna that taps into a naturally occuring frequency.


If SM pulsed the rings at this rate, 5 to 6 kHz, would this account for the physical vibration and audible sound?

He states at the end of one of the videos that the energy comes from "within" the device.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Localjoe on April 21, 2008, 06:03:46 PM
@slapper

Google MUSIC OF THE SPHERES, then pythagoras  you'l be pleasently suprised.
                                                                                      Joe
                                                                               
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 21, 2008, 06:17:11 PM
@Alex

Thanks for the correction but the initial idea stands in that at 3600 rpm you have 60hz (60x60). At 5000hz you would require an rpm of 60 x 5000 or 300,000 rpm. Now why would you want to create that much rpm when it is a know fact that you can get away with 3600. What I think is happening is SM mixes up rpm and hz when he talks about the devices. There is nothing in these devices that can justify such high frequencies.  It's just another diversion.

Like I said, I am producing with a regular relay pulsing up to 1400 volts. The FTPU was producing only 61 volts on the meter, and not on a load. So why would you need 300,000 pulse per minute just to produce 61 volts. It does not make any sense at all.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: mikestocks2006 on April 21, 2008, 06:19:16 PM

here's a site with good info about them, and who makes them

btw, why are you interested in depletion-mode? they are much less common.

...because they more closely operate like tubes maybe?

http://www.automotivedesignline.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=191900470

Thanks for the reference, I have looked at that site and a number of others before, they do describe what the DEMOS is (depletion mode mosfet) but they do not have them for sale.

Why the interest in depletion mode?
Trying to keep it simple, and allow the system to self tune, find it?s own resonant frequency by default. Then build on that. Remember the old DC bicycle bells? A set of AA or C batteries and simple coil and a leaf spring. The spring by it?s own movement interrupts the circuit, and moves back at its own natural frequency. (function of stiffness, weight etc)

I?m interested in the off part of the cycle. First having a current and then stop the flow abruptly, it would also be in line with RE behavior, kicks, etc.
So first I looked into NON SS solution such as normally closed reed switches. Place them in line with the coil, and as the coil gets magnetized the switch opens, stops the current flow, the magnetic field collapses and the cycle repeats at the frequency of the coil's magnetic field collapse and so on.

However; there are a couple of  issues with reed switches.
, They have difficulty handling inductive loads, even though they are nice little spark gap devices (normally on mode)
. Most have a self resonant frequency of 2-3 Khz and that way bellow the 5kHz mentions for the TPU. But few more difficult to source models may go higher above the 5Khz range
.Finally their cycle life is few million cycles, so the tpu would not run more than about 20 mins or so at 5khz. Go to Mhz and assuming it can switch that fast, it wouldn?t last more than few seconds.

So the next step is to look at something that would handle fast off-switching, with long cycle life, and higher frequencies just in case it needs to go up to the Mhz range.

And that led to the DpletionMode MOSFET. Were a voltage on the gate actually switches the current off and at nanosecond scale times. The signal to the gate can come directly from the control coil as it get energized and so on., or better yet from the collector so the loop is closed fully and the system automatically finds its own resonant frequency, whatever that might be, with a simple, inexpensive set up.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 21, 2008, 06:40:05 PM
@mikestocks2006

You are right up the alley in good orientation of thought.

About the reed, even at 2-3khz, if you increased the inductive load with some chokes, would it be the same. Also to get the right action, one would need to test many reed values since they come in so many activation ranges. I am also looking for a three way reed. I have found some in home alarm windows or door magnetic switches. They come in 2 or 3 way. I have four of these in 3-way and was going to do some experimentation but the video had taken all my time. lol

Good to see someone else is doing it.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Localjoe on April 21, 2008, 07:03:35 PM
@ Slapper

Check this out for more info on the planets and their humm
listen here  http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~matt/220a/spheres-2.wav (http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~matt/220a/spheres-2.wav)\
heres the page its from  http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~matt/220a/hw3.htm (http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~matt/220a/hw3.htm)
                                              joe
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 21, 2008, 07:04:57 PM
For those of you stuck in a rut.....   :)

I would remind you to check SM's correspondence to Lindsay periodicaly,  and regardless if its authentic or not,  just taking it at face value,  you will notice that he describes different aspects of how he discovered the "secret"

1)  He talks of the "kicks"  and says it's actualy overunity, and that it proves there's interaction with the earth magnetic field, etc...

2)  He mentions transformers from his TV days and rectifyer tubes and notices interesting interactions, etc..

3)  He mentions using 3 oscillators (made with tubes)  and striking the right cords.   Then later discovering there's so many more combinations  (of frequencies I assume, but he could mean TPU topologies, etc..)

4) Talkes about the exploding TV and wondering how frequencies can be combined...

5)  He describes tuning his device simular to a radio, but actually injecting frequencies and not amplifying the signal since it "runs with gain"  etc...

6)  He talkes about moving a weak magnetic field with speed over many wires, etc..


What does all this mean?

It means not to get fixated on one variation, look at the discussions and place them in their proper place.

Personally, judging from what SM said himself (not knowing exactly where the energy is coming from and describing strong fields near and far from the device)  and knowing what he said in the correspondence,  it all points to a type of mixer/balun/loop antenna all in one, that captures an illusive 5 or 6 kHz frequency.   The rest of the discussions is about how to implement it, so you all can be correct with the different aspects.   Yes resonance is needed I can assure you.   But what can resonate so low, in such a small dimention?   Is it typical LC resonance?  maybe maybe not,  If it is, then that's why he needs a few frequencies, so he can heterodyne (mix) and get the difference to be a low value, etc...

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: FatBird on April 21, 2008, 07:14:25 PM
I watched all of the videos & recorded what SM said about his TPUs.  Here is what he said:



12 Ounce Open Unit in the 38 Min Film.

OD = 6 inches.
Height = 2 inches.
Thickness = 1 inch.
Output = 186V @ 5 Amps.  7 Amps with a Heat Sink.

============================================
Small 1 Pounder, Open Coil.  Took Magnet from his pocket.

OD = 4 inches.
Height = 1 3/4 inches.
Output = 100V @ 1 Amp.  7.3 Hz & 5 KHz.
=================================
Small Open Coil, 1 1/2  Pounder:

OD = 6 inches.
Height = 2 inches.
Thickness = 3/4 inches.
Output = 120V @ 5 Amps.  7.3 Hz & 5 KHz.
=================================
Large 17" Open Coil.

OD = 17 inches.
Height = 3 inches.
Thickness = ?
Output = 830V @ 10 Amps.
=================================


.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 21, 2008, 07:36:54 PM
you should add the open TPU,  with it's 6 kHz,   

EM

P.S.   What's neat about all these variations, is the fact that they can help us identify the principles.  If we get to fixated on one device and develop a theory we might notice another device does not support that theory.

I'm intreagued by the smalles device he showed,  the one pound little one, on the glass table, wraped in blue tape, why is it so heavy?    It makes us realize it's a ferrite toroid,  or perhaps a spool full of wire (or both,etc..)  We can also see very few toroidal windings on it, interesting.   If that's all that's needed, then perhaps the secret is in the small toroids as shown in the LTPU, (and FTPU), but then that doesn't make sense that he would go to all that trouble to build this large structure just to hide the principle, etc.., etc...  Also,  the humming sound comming from this small device is magnetostriciton in action, so we can assume it has iron,    (or a speaker   LOL )    , you see so many things to weight out
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 21, 2008, 08:37:36 PM
I watched all of the videos & recorded what SM said about his TPUs.  Here is what he said:



12 Ounce Open Unit in the 38 Min Film.

OD = 6 inches.
Height = 2 inches.
Thickness = 1 inch.
Output = 186V @ 5 Amps.  7 Amps with a Heat Sink.

============================================
Small 1 Pounder, Open Coil.  Took Magnet from his pocket.

OD = 4 inches.
Height = 1 3/4 inches.
Output = 100V @ 1 Amp.  7.3 Hz & 5 KHz.
=================================
Small Open Coil, 1 1/2  Pounder:

OD = 6 inches.
Height = 2 inches.
Thickness = 3/4 inches.
Output = 120V @ 5 Amps.  7.3 Hz & 5 KHz.
=================================
Large 17" Open Coil.

OD = 17 inches.
Height = 3 inches.
Thickness = ?
Output = 830V @ 10 Amps.
=================================


.

Nice compilation of data.

Takeaways =

SM was able to make the output voltage anything he wanted which points to possible primary to secondary ratio.

SM design motive for voltages is to output familiar U.S. line voltages as to appeal to potential U.S. investors.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 21, 2008, 08:37:42 PM
@ Slapper

Check this out for more info on the planets and their humm
listen here  http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~matt/220a/spheres-2.wav (http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~matt/220a/spheres-2.wav)\
heres the page its from  http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~matt/220a/hw3.htm (http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~matt/220a/hw3.htm)
                                              joe

Sphere1 sounds like synth organ sample pitched up. I'm familiar with sound synthesis.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 21, 2008, 08:57:34 PM
Hi Stefan,

The Carl letters are in the TPU Compilation PDF that Marco made.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2383.0;attach=9211

The letters start on page 37.

God Bless,
Jason O

Many thanks again Jason for all the work you
put into it and also for uploading the last parts.

I restudied this Document again and Marco was quite right.
The OpenTPU could also have been made
from bifilar wire.

What is clear now to me is, that ALL the TPUs
are based on rotating magnet fields
which extract like whirlwinds or tornados
probably some magnetic energy from the surrounding.

To get a basic effect I guess it is only important to rotate
3 or 4 coils with the right shiftregister pulse train,
so that we have fast revolving magnet fields and
then extract the power from it via 90 degrees oriented coils,
so the 3 or 4 control coils are not dragged down via counterEMF.

In the big 17 inch LargeTPU the output coil is just a a big ring
of stranded copper wire ( loudspeaker cable), where the control coils are wound around it.

In the OpenTPU SM speaks of:

"here I place the magnets into
the "Receptors""

Could these "Receptors" be the
Receivers of energy of the rotating magnet field ?

Probably yes !

I played around yeasterday night to deinterlace the
video and have looked at it back and forth for several hours
again and again in slow motion and also changed the Gamma and contrast
to see more wires, etc...
and I am sure the OpenTPU has at least 3 or 4 of these
magnets with "Receptors" in these "stand quaders"

Also SM admitted in that compiled PDF document that
there are 9 Volt batteries in some TPUs
for setting up the control circuits..

So I think these "Receptors" are just special 90 degrees coils
to the rotating magnet vortex which intercept the rotating flux
and don?t weaken the rotating flux.

I still need to try other deinterlace filters for virtualdubmod
and when I am ready I will post these deinterlaced
short clips.

Regards, Stefan.

Nice to see a return to the 90 degree displaced coil topology as that is the correct assumption. The gyroscopic effect was due to the four coils stepping from one to the next. There had to be a heck of a lot of energy present to create the physical effect motion like this. SM's references to resistance to motion was not a distraction or ruse. This device could be some type of resonant motor that performs like the Tesla 381,970 patent reveals.

Again considering the design's seemingly unlimited scalability factor, resonance must be achievable without requiring a tuning as much as jump starting the engine so to speak. Once the motor starts is self locks at the resonant frequency and remains locked. So are we looking at trying to receive a harmonic of the Schumann cavity or it this device really a phase locked loop in quadrature?!

Now to revisit the tortured logic and terminology SM used to describe what he didn't understand as it was all after the fact knowledge, and using "tube" theory as a translator or filter rework the theories.


On a lighter note I would dismiss the term "receptor" as a SM "Star Trek" moment.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spider on April 21, 2008, 09:15:14 PM
hi all

@jack,
I am not that much into football, only when we play the european cup or the world cup.
But when I happen to stumble into the guy i will ask for you ;)
if you are interrested in what I do in my spare time:
http://turbo124.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4717


@all

I dont believe the RPM of the TPU was that high, otherwise a spinning compass would never have kept up with the starting rotating field.

If the earth is a giant radio station, we must be darn close to it, rigth on its surface....

Greetings Rene.

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: M@rcel on April 21, 2008, 09:34:15 PM
@slapper

Google MUSIC OF THE SPHERES, then pythagoras  you'l be pleasently suprised.
                                                                                      Joe
                                                                               
Like in http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Pythagoras-Was-Right-Scientists-Devise-the-Geometrical-Music-Theory-2.jpg ?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 21, 2008, 09:39:01 PM
For those pursuing the rotational magnetic field in the traditional sense (AC motors, tesla, etc..)  here's a diagram of how I remember the motors being configured to run off of one phase.  Notice, to get the extra phase (90 degree) a capacitor is introduced. 

I've often wondered,  what if we drive the darn thing at the resonance of the armature inductance and the capacitor tank resonance?     

To try and get a looped back TPU,   the signal generator can be replaced by some coils wound around the armature, then a swipe of the magnet should create something.   I tried this in the past but had no luck with it, but that doesn't mean much, since I work kind of sloppy.


Anyway, if you don't get much from this at least you can see how to wind the armatures.

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 21, 2008, 09:54:29 PM
hi all

@jack,
I am not that much into football, only when we play the european cup or the world cup.
But when I happen to stumble into the guy i will ask for you ;)
if you are interrested in what I do in my spare time:
http://turbo124.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4717


@all

I dont believe the RPM of the TPU was that high, otherwise a spinning compass would never have kept up with the starting rotating field.

If the earth is a giant radio station, we must be darn close to it, rigth on its surface....

Greetings Rene.



Hi Rene,

I am beginning to think that this device is really a clumsy phase locked loop based design that locks to the Schumann cavity after a little "priming" from an oscillator much like a pull starter on an engine taking it from an idle state to a phase locked one. A tank tuned to 7.8 hz is out of the question in this footprint but a Tesla generator ala 381.970 might be able to couple and lock to it with a little "kick" start.

Hmmmm.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: buzz-ard on April 21, 2008, 09:55:43 PM
@ EMDevices

This is exactly the coil arrangement I'm concentrating on, except I'm not using a common at this point so I can drive the two primaries independently. I tried complete all-the-way around windings (as opposed to segmented) and got nothing of consequence.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: buzz-ard on April 21, 2008, 09:57:11 PM
@ Localjoe

Thanks for the recognition. I built the ring only, 5" diameter and an inch and a half high, with 40 turns of baling wire for the core (not segmented as Tesla said to), primaries of 80 turns each segment of some really rotten aluminum hookup wire I couldn't bear to throw away before I used it for something, 15 turns of scrap 18 gauge copper wire for the secondaries, all wound more or less per the patent, and excited the primary with a single square wave at 3 Vpp (I like three volts for testing these builds as SM couldn't have been using much more than 2 AA batteries to launch the effect, IMHO). The best input frequency changed with the load that was applied, LEDs in this case. At the time I was interested primarily in the magnetic effects to determine whether there was any overlap with SM's device. As it turned out, one of the primary winding pairs was no good, so my testing was limited to half-wave results but accomplished the experimental goal anyway. It would spin a compass smoothly at 2 Hz with only half the device working (see attached photos), and frequencies up to about 30 Hz produced only a quivering of the compass needle confined within its own chosen segment domain. I do plan to revisit the Tesla device someday soon and build a serious replication.

I made the observation in another thread that SM may have used the Tesla patent as the basis for his thinking and saw that the generator/commutator portion could be eliminated with modern devices not available in the 19th century (MOSFETs). An on-board generator powering resonant coils is essentially what the TPU delivers. Our collaborative work here is all about the coils - I believe that the circuits to drive the device will be easy, as suggested by Jack Durban.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 21, 2008, 10:10:02 PM
On the FTPU, I was wondering why I could not see enough connections to justify 8 coils all in quad. See the animation below. The quads jump from on level to the other. This way you can control both coil levels with one impulse and a back impulse. This will give you guys food for thought while I work out the other connections but it is not easy at all and very time consuming. Please consider the animation as the closest yet to the ftpu function.

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 21, 2008, 10:10:12 PM
@ EMDevices

This is exactly the coil arrangement I'm concentrating on, except I'm not using a common at this point. I tried complete all-the-way around windings (as opposed to segmented) and got nothing of consequence.

Hi buzz-ard,  I was just about to suggest coils all the way around, they would work great, and infact the OTPU, with the bifilar can make use of the bifilar for such winding. 

About not getting a result, as in a moving magnetic field I assume,  I should mention that for the configuration I showed, (where only one phase is available)   the resistance of coils is usualy very small, and the inductance kind of high, so all these things should be taken into consideration.   For example, if an output coil to loop back and act as the generator is placed more on Phase 2,  then it's like a transformer on those coils, and the input to the coils looks resistive  (or zero phase depending on the coupling factor).    But if left open, it's inductive, so the phasors will change and it won't rotate.   I've spent a lot of time pondering the phasors in a looped back system and there's things to consider.  

On the other hand,  if a phase with the capacitor is driven at resonance,  the reactances of those coils and the capacitor will cancel out and will leave a real value, (very low due to the low ohmic resistance of the windings)  so the current phasor at resonance will then have a phase of zero, and be in phase with the driving signal generator,  so you see you get zero phase from the resonant winding,  and zero phase on the other transformer winding, and that' s not good, they need to be 90 degree out of phase.

So what's the solution?   Well, maybe rotate the receiving unit  (to create the feedback) somewhat and find a sweet spot.   I've tried this as well and no luck , nothing lit up   :)   But it's still an interesting concept for me and some time later I might revisit these experiments.   With carefull engineering we should be able to engineer a system that never finds it's balance !!

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: buzz-ard on April 21, 2008, 10:36:43 PM
@ EMdevices - I understand your points and they are good. In fact, your suggestion is superior to my approach with the balance it achieves. I think I've been resistant to adding any type of modifying device other than LEDs (cap, resistor, transformer, etc.) to my builds until one of them does something that warrants it. The LEDs are there just to maintain some level of load on the collector. Maybe I'm too far outside the box.

@ wattsup - Great animation. I think the group's thinking is starting to converge!

So far today, we're envisioning single control coil layers. I've had trouble reconciling SM saying to pulse one coil with one freq, then the next coil with the next freq, etc. This confuses me as it implies that there are either multiple 360-degree control coils enveloping underlying control coils (3 layers deep), or he's got a single layer of 120-degree control coils in 3 segments being fed three frequencies, which isn't clicking for me. Any thoughts for my current build, anyone?

This is getting exciting!

BTW - Thanks, Jason for working so hard on Jack's DVD. Just got mine off MediaFire and will assemble and watch tonight.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spider on April 21, 2008, 11:09:05 PM
@all,

the animation gave my yet another idea..

I reread the PDF and stumbled on the following. Sm is talking about a rotating magnetic field like a ball. The possibility to rotate the field in 2 directions.
If we take a normal gyroscoop, it takes a force to rotate it in the direction perpenducular to its axis of rotation.
In the tpu, a rotating magnetic field is created by pulsing the 4 coils around the circumference.
What if, a second pulse frequency is used to tilt the rotating field out of tis vertical axis, and the earth pushes it back to its origional position, when the pulses are low, thus releasing the energy we are looking for. Maybe this "pushing back" has a certain optimal frequency we are looking for...

shoot it down please...

Greetings Rene
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hydrocontrol on April 21, 2008, 11:13:00 PM
@Jack, Thanks for the release of the videos.  ;D

@All, One thing to think about is the use of capacitors to cause magnetic field rotation in three separate coils. I will refer to the Rotoverter diagram here
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Image:Rv002.jpg
to show a three phase motor running on only one phase using capacitors to cause field rotation in the three windings of the motor to cause rotor rotation. Perhaps having only one signal that is connected in a such a WYE coil configuration might be simpler for a TPU. For a TPU the capacitors would not have to be that large compared to a 3 phase motor. Perhaps about the size of a small AA battery..
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spider on April 21, 2008, 11:13:02 PM
@ chef,

this is weird, i typed my post without having read your post, because it wasnt posted yet...
and we are talking about the same...

The next thing I'll do is a crash course in remote viewing i think, to find the missing origional tpus...


Rene
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hydrocontrol on April 21, 2008, 11:15:34 PM
@ chef,
the next thing all do is a crash course in remote viewing i think, to find the missing origional tpus...
Rene
Take a look around Area 51  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: buzz-ard on April 21, 2008, 11:27:20 PM
@ Spider - I've got RV training videos if you are serious...
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Mr.Entropy on April 21, 2008, 11:35:37 PM
Nice to see a return to the 90 degree displaced coil topology as that is the correct assumption. The gyroscopic effect was due to the four coils stepping from one to the next. There had to be a heck of a lot of energy present to create the physical effect motion like this. SM's references to resistance to motion was not a distraction or ruse. This device could be some type of resonant motor that performs like the Tesla 381,970 patent reveals.
Oh yes, of course the gyroscopic effect is caused by magnetostriction, and strongly suggests that the coils were energized like Tesla's in that patent.   Since the magnetized parts of the core are longer by about 1 part in 10000, the rotating field makes the shape of the core a spinning ellipse, even though the core is not spinning.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 22, 2008, 12:03:29 AM

It is truly inspiring the spirit of cooperation I'm seeing here.

I don't know if we will ever really know how the SM TPU really worked...but from what I am seeing here something will be built that will be as good as or better.

You guys are putting out so much knowledge that of of us boobs just may say something outwardly irrelevant which may trigger an idea among with the background to run with it...a lot of things happen that way for people who pay attention to everything.

I am a firm believer in serindippity...my life took many positive turns because of it...there's nothing like having 'Great Expectations'.

Regards...
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on April 22, 2008, 12:15:56 AM
On the FTPU, I was wondering why I could not see enough connections to justify 8 coils all in quad. See the animation below. The quads jump from on level to the other. This way you can control both coil levels with one impulse and a back impulse. This will give you guys food for thought while I work out the other connections but it is not easy at all and very time consuming. Please consider the animation as the closest yet to the ftpu function.



Nice drawing. Could you please tell more, what do you mean here  "This way you can control both coil levels with one impulse and a back impulse." ?

Do you know how magnetic field "created", and how "energy" move in a coil when pulse hit it? Do you know what is North and South pole? Where are these "poles" exactly, when pulse hit the coil, and how these "poles" changing in time?

Trust me, SM was right about understanding is important,not copying What all of you  are doing with checking videos, all is useless. As Jack said, SM was paranoid,so, what we can see in videos, all is not important,because if could be, SM was never allowed to tape, or cut these things.

Just some thought:

Gyroscopic effect.Did you played ever with gyro (not toy gyro)? If no,buy one. You will got in pack little motor,what you can connect to shaft to start the spinning. Gyro has high mass, in high speed have a momentum.... electric motor still connected, How many power we need to accelerate to 10k RPM, and
 after that hold on 10k RPM? If you spin an mass to enough high rate, something change. Buy one gyro, make experiments.

Did you heard about some scientist test, where they made magnet gyro, and they recognized, nearly after first run and stop, they need less power to achieve same speed? It's all interesting.

You need to recognize, "electrons" have same property as a matter, electron have a mass. More electron have more mass...it's all so simple.

When any pulse hit the coil, in very first time till the intelligent space equal themselves near the coil,actually you are trying to move the coil mass through space...

Answer is in basics...  


Chef,

Great message.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dansway on April 22, 2008, 12:21:04 AM
What kind of crazy INDUCTION would this be?  A ball spinning in TWO DIRECTIONS?

The slight pulse delay would cause an EXPANDING and CONTRACTING magnetic wave-field to propagate down the length of the collector as it spins.

 ;D

Regards,

~Dan
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spider on April 22, 2008, 01:14:17 AM
@all,

I just came out of my bed for this one, it already night here.

Consider this:

Imagine a perfect gyro, spin it up, nothing happens....
Imagine a gyro with an unbalance, like the front wheel of your car. what happens if you spin it up, it starts to wobble. Ever driven a car with an unbalanced wheel up to its resonance, let me tell you, it can shake you car violently. Usualy I try to avoid this speed where this happens.Where does this energy come from?

Now consider a rotating magnetic field in symmetry, rev it up and nothing happens.

Now what would happen if we place a permanent magnet in this field, would it start to wobble?
Is this why SM spins up the TPU, then places 2 permanent magnets in their "recepters" and make the field wobble?
Does this create the release of energy in the TPU?
Would the circumference of the ring have anything to do with the resonance of the wobble?

I wish you all a good night sleep, sweet dreams and greetings,
Rene.

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 22, 2008, 01:18:20 AM

It is truly inspiring the spirit of cooperation I'm seeing here.

I don't know if we will ever really know how the SM TPU really worked...but from what I am seeing here something will be built that will be as good as or better.

You guys are putting out so much knowledge that of of us boobs just may say something outwardly irrelevant which may trigger an idea among with the background to run with it...a lot of things happen that way for people who pay attention to everything.

I am a firm believer in serindippity...my life took many positive turns because of it...there's nothing like having 'Great Expectations'.

Regards...

Well said. I often get answers to daunting questions by constantly stepping back and asking "what is known?" and what is pure speculation?"

As much as some will scoff at this I will take a risk. Edison when faced with a challenging design issue would just take a nap. Often he would find solutions to problems this way. To be honest I do this regularly and it works often enough that I stick with it. If you study the brain especially brain wave activity you will find that just prior to REM sleep you slip into an Alpha state where you remain mostly conscious until you drift off. It is here that amazing clarity comes about. I have used this for nearly 30 years now and most of my inventions and product designs were aided using this technique. There is an out of print book called "The power of alpha thinking" that is one of the better guides on how to do this effectively. In brief you master the art of visualization while in an Alpha state where focus is an order of magnitude greater than the Beta state or full consciousness where we are bombarded by distraction and second guessing. For those who will dismiss this and laugh you at least got a laugh out of it. For those who will take a chance you will be amazed how much more you can accomplish by getting out of your own way. With over two hundred designs and 21 patents pending and issued I have put it to the test and it works for me most of the time.

Flame retardant applied now fire away!
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 22, 2008, 02:01:25 AM
Thanks for the reference, I have looked at that site and a number of others before, they do describe what the DEMOS is (depletion mode mosfet) but they do not have them for sale.

With a few manufacturers names in hand from that website, you should be able to find a vendor or distributer by doing a search. If not, well they aren't common as I mentioned.

Quote
Why the interest in depletion mode?

Trying to keep it simple, and allow the system to self tune, find it?s own resonant frequency by default. Then build on that. Remember the old DC bicycle bells? A set of AA or C batteries and simple coil and a leaf spring. The spring by it?s own movement interrupts the circuit, and moves back at its own natural frequency. (function of stiffness, weight etc)

I?m interested in the off part of the cycle. First having a current and then stop the flow abruptly, it would also be in line with RE behavior, kicks, etc.

With some work, you should be able to arrive at a similar solution using the vastly more popular and available enhancement types. SS relays may also be an option.

but hey i'm just a lil' ol' troll
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: nickle989 on April 22, 2008, 02:01:45 AM
Is anyone having problems opening the Zipped archieves in Part 1 .. ? of the DVD video.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: eldarion on April 22, 2008, 02:14:09 AM
If you study the brain especially brain wave activity you will find that just prior to REM sleep you slip into an Alpha state where you remain mostly conscious until you drift off. It is here that amazing clarity comes about.

I have experienced (and used!) the same phenomenon--interesting to know where it comes from!

@all,

Attached is a winding configuration I see in all the TPUs and have started to run tests on.  The tests are not showing much power out at this point, but they are (possibly) showing kicks building on each other...I have also attached a scope shot of that happening.  This was with 19KHz 50% duty cycle pulses applied, and an IRF510 MOSFET driving the "control" coils.

Something interesting is that this ties into what Spherics stated in his second post; this configuration is also readily apparent when you scrutinize the two open devices.  Having the delay coil wrapped around the others also prevents induction into the delay portion of the coil.

This even matches the familiar "confirmed" winding configuration that SM and Tao gave us, but I think the coils were mislabelled on purpose by SM to throw us off, as he knew we could figure out his winding configuration eventually.

The FTPU looks like there may be a different (twice as long) delay on the bottom as on the top...

Let me know what you think!
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Bruce_TPU on April 22, 2008, 05:34:22 AM
Hi Eldarion,

Nice experiments!  Spheric also mentioned what he called the "Comp field".  This "addition" of magnetic force should be able to be measured on the wires.  Do you have an instrument that can measure gauss?

More and more, I believe that the "kick" we are really looking for, is an "anomalous" increase in the magnetic field.  More than that which would be generated by normal current in a wire.  SM mentioned Tesla and his ability to receive and use the "magnetic waves".  SM told us to "tap" into those.  The gist of Spherics second post, was that with the setup he described, there should be an "addition to" the magnetic field, than that which would normally exist.  After that is verified, then it is simply a matter of control to rotate it.  That would then bring us to SM's "weak magnetic field" spun very fast over Litz wire.

I hope I have worded things to make sense.   ;)

I am glad you and Loner are working on this.

We must find a way to "accurately" measure the gauss of this set up, IMHO.

Cheers my friend,

Bruce
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 22, 2008, 06:29:25 AM
you guys sure of your posted NMR frequencies for iron?

i don't think there has been a consensus, and doesn't look right

bruce for example has 323 MHz. well at what B field strength?

looks like this frequency depends on B, and that at least some testing is done with B = 1T

so, in the earth's field alone, you'd be looking at a factor of 20,000 times slower

so what's that? oh about 16.15 kHz

DOH!  :o ............LOL
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 22, 2008, 06:59:32 AM
@eldarion

Great post and on the right track. I am actually happy you are this far.

I will show you my next photo and what I have seen in the FTPU.

You see A and AA are where the rings are overlappered and cut. I think these are bailing wire iron used as an armature. Good old iron for primary to secondary coupling. If you look right above the A, you will see a wire comes out of the end and goes right behind the unit to a 4 connected something. That would be the secondary output wire. You can also see the other end of the ring cut and another wire exits and meets the first one and heads behind the tpu to the same connector. You can see the ring is coming off the spool with the glue stretched. lol

I think the primary is single strand 18 awg, about 10-12 turns per quad. Same as the OTPU. Hmmmmm. I think the secondary is stranded 18 awg. Of course these are best guess.

Look to me also like the bottom ring is two turns, the top ring is 1 turn. The secondary outputs from each ring are paralleled to the output. There are two wires that are coming form the output back to the system, probably to a capacitor. This I still have to work out the finer points.

This leads me to understand that you use two iron wire for only one secondary output wire, and you wrap the primary over these as shown in the animation. You do not need a control because each primary (Red or Blue) would be in series with one half of the toroid from each side and the toroid will sense the changes. There is a black wire that is laced in the toroid. I think this is where the control. It is laced four times on each side of the toroid. I will have to do a diagram.

Note: Identifications here are best observation at this point in time and are subject to change without prior notice. lol

B and C - Primary Leads on one side going to the toroid sides.
D - Left and Right Terminal from the mounting bracket of the Toroid.
E - Capacitor or Crystal or Oscillator.
F - Below the F you will see what I believe is an iron coil. Spherics anyone. You can see the shoadow of this coil on the left finger nail.
G - On / Off Switch
H - Four way connector - could be a bridge between both secondaries.
I - To the right of the I, between the two fingers, I think it is a round flat pancake type capacitor.

I think this is getting to be very very close.
Hope this helps and keep up the good work.

PS: Forgot to mention. I see the iron wire is a multi strand, not a single strand. This will offer more of the laminated characteristic to the iron ring. I think this is where I have gone wrong myself. Also the iron ring may explain the gradual build up of power. As the iron becomes more and more saturated it transfers more to the secondary. This type of iron ring, primary, secondary will be good because there is no place for eddy currents. And scalability is also possible. I have to think now of how the FTPU is using the flyback or if SM ever even considered the flyback. I don't think so and probably this is why the device was heating up. Wasted flyback makes heat. But right now, an overheating TPU would be a good problem to have. lol
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dom on April 22, 2008, 09:09:58 AM
Man the theories you guys come up with are great, there was mention of vibration, and i remember what SM said about these kicks, and how it was easy to produce by using jumper leeds, kick them together, and you get this kick...lol, maybe someone mentioned this already, the bailing wire in FOTPU is just away to tighten the windings underneath, so when the kicks do happen, hmm   i dont know, maybe im just brainstorming here, we could ask the question, why is the bailing wire ontop wound that way, it almost looks like it's just there to wrap around something for a specific function, like squeezing, ya thats it, squeezing the hose.........

@Jack, true about the dream state, I believe you there 100%, good to see there's a book about it, I've had this happen to me also, hehehe
eventually this maybe how we discover the workings of the TPU, it's just a matter of time when we crack it, there's good number of people in this forum working to that level.

Till my next post

Dom

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: OzOnE on April 22, 2008, 11:57:27 AM
Hi all,

This is my first post, so be gentle! I have been following the TPU forum for some months now but I haven't posted as yet because I don't think I had any ideas that you guys hadn't thought of already (and often calculated to the Nth degree  :) ).

I was interested in the TPU from the first moment I read about it and saw the videos on Google / Boobtube. I'd seen many perpetual motion machines etc. before, but the TPU was much more in my field (excuse the pun) of experience. My main hobby (and torment) in life is in electronics - I wound some coils and a mobius type design a few weeks back, but never got around to testing it.

btw, I tend to type a lot, so bear with me. I promise to reduce the posts in future!

I was astounded to see that Jack actually came forward to give us some inside info, and I was even more pleased to see that he came through with the video. I have a copy of the DVD files (from the torrent), and I've spent some time trying to improve the video quality.... Although the video quality is a LOT better than the online clips, it has been said before that a better quality video won't give us instant answers, and there's still much work to be done. I only hope I can help in some way.....

I've attached a zip file containing the necessary files for opening the SM DVD files via Avisynth, so they will then open with the excellent Virtualdub. The zip also includes the plugins I'm using to attempt to clean up the video.

First, you'll need to download a copy of Avisynth. The latest version is v3, but v2.5 is more common (choose the .exe file).....

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=57023&package_id=72557&release_id=366702

Then, in my zip file, there's a folder called "Copy into SM DVD VIDEO_TS folder" - you know what to do!

After Avisynth is installed, you should be able to run VirtualDubMod, then open the "SM TPU.avs" file, (which should be in your SM DVD "VIDEO_TS" folder). Then, in VirtualDubMod, go to File > Load Processing Settings, and choose the "SM TPU Processing.vcf" file. You can place the processing file on the Desktop or somewhere obvious, all it does is load the filter plugins (included with VirtualDubMod), then set the various levels and settings I've used for each plugin.)

This seems like a complex way of doing things at first, but this version of VirtualDub can't open VOB files directly, so we need to use Avisynth to do that for us. There are newer versions of VirtualDub/Mod available which I believe can open VOB files, but I personally don't like the way the audio processing works etc. btw, if you want to add the audio, you'll have to use DVD2AVI to extract the .ac3 file from the SM DVD files, then load it into VirtualDub using Audio > AC3 Audio.

You should be able to pick some extra details up in the processed (right-hand) image. It's still not perfect by any means, and I'm sure that much better settings and / or plugins can be found. I have spent a lot of time just getting it this "good", but each section of the video really needs it's own settings as some parts are much brighter than others or have more colour etc. (I've tried not to over-do it so as to not hide image details. Sometimes, the original footage will be better.)

You might end up with a logo in the bottom-right corner of the output image - this is from the Alparysoft Deinterlacer plugin - if you want to get rid of this, you could use Donald Graft's Smart Deinterlacer plugin, or any alternative. The good thing about VirtualDub is that you can move to the next or previous frame by using the arrow keys. This allows you to "rock" back-and-forth between frames to get build up a more "3D" image of components etc.

The biggest problem with the video (apart from the dark sections and lack of definition / close-ups) is the "line jitter" from the original tape - you'll notice that the black vertical lines on the sides of the image will be very "wavy" at times, this is probably caused by the HI-8 recording process / head jitter and can be a lot worse when the camera is moved suddenly (mostly in the big TPU section.)

@Jack - I'm assuming the HI-8 deck you used for the source has a TBC? Would it help if you had an external TBC. I would be glad to chip-in to buy a TBC that we could send to you. (I know you said you will at some point upload a deinterlaced version of the DVD, but please let us know if there are any gadgets which will improve the HI-8 capture even further.)

Ok, enough of that. I just wanted to put an idea past you all. This had been mentioned many times before (eg. Giantkiller's "stun gun" etc.), but one thought occurred to me while looking at the "reel" TPU (FTPU?) - when SM turns the FTPU upside-down, you can see what looks like a capacitor inside, but directly above that (on the top of the TPU), SM appears to cover something with his thumb - it definitely looks like a small circuit, and I can see what looks like three small electrolytic capacitors on the circuit. It's interesting that someone mentioned that one component looks like a trigger coil - I remember one of these being used in the Maplin 1mW helium-neon laser around 1991, but I'm guessing their main use would be in strobe lights, or more importantly - CAMERA FLASH UNITS!!

Again, this is just one thought, but it sure looks like the large capacitor inside the reel is a similar size to what you'd expect for a small camera flash unit. The typical flash inverter would charge the cap to around 300-400V, then send this through a trigger coil (when you pressed the button) to step-up the voltage to around 5-6KV. What are the thoughts on this, and how do you think this would affect the use of iron delay coils etc?

Here's a typical trigger coil (they usually only need three connections - a primary, a seconday, and a center-tap)....

http://www.rapidonline.com/Electrical-Power/PA-Audio-Video/PA-Audio-Kits/6kV-Strobe-trigger-coil/79411


Here's the link to the VirtualDub files: http://www.mediafire.com/?bdkkdkdrmcf

Thanks for reading my boring post!  8) OzOnE.

EDIT: Oh, almost forgot, where the two silver wires (bailing wire?) exit the coils on the right-hand side of the FTPU image, it looks to me like they're actually soldered together near the "trigger coil" and then soldered to one of the pins. This could mean that either the control coils OR the collector coils are joined to the trigger coil if the main coils are indeed wired as eldarion suggests. This would make sense if a portion of the output was actually feeding back to the rest of the circuit for control, or for self-running.

I would guess that it's more likely that when the magnet is removed, the voltage drop we see on the meter is simply the voltage across the large cap (without it being re-charged) rather than the TPU action "winding-down". It could also be that removing the magnet from near the main inductor makes the circuit out-of-sync and stops the oscillator / tank effect.

Could the camera flash unit (if there really is one) explain why the voltage drops slowly when the magnet is removed? (also mentioned before on the other thread about the big TPU). Does the placing of the magnet simply turn on the switching circuit to the main control coils, or saturate the large inductor to enable the switching, and the camera unit is switched on by the manual switch? (looks like SM turns something on when he gets the TPU out of the case, and when he puts his hand behind the TPU when it's sat on top of the VCR's)

Oh, and hopefully a more important point - if the reel is believed to be made of plastic (which is what i think), does it look to anyone else like there's a large winding of fine wire around the center of the reel (the hub part inside)? It sure looks like it to me. This might be the proper collector, (which ties in with Spherics design.)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 22, 2008, 02:58:10 PM
Hi OzOnE,  thanks for the tips, and welcome.  I've been playing with VirtualDub as well, and with Adobe Premiere, and Ulead and a few others, trying to extract and clean up fine details on individual frames.   (my old Premiere version gave me some problems, VirtualDub does not load VOB's so I had to go the route of VOB2mpeg,  then downloaded a trial version of Ulead and that did the trick, I was able to trim and make a nice DVD with meanus)

I just want to comment on the videos,   we actually need INTERLACED video, not deinterlaced, because interlaced video contains more information and it's fields are not blured together when motion occurs.  There is a lot of motion and camera shake in some of those closeup shots, and for fine detail analysis, interlaced fields is the way to go (after you deinterlace them into separate fields and resize, creating 2 frames from one)  By the way, the video that Jack has provided is already deinterlaced, so no point in making another deinterlaced video.   

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on April 22, 2008, 03:10:43 PM
This is all fine and dandy, but without some sort of arrangment that "runs with gain", all of this doesn't matter.  Even if you are handed schematics, parts lists, and a working device - you will not know "why" it works.

The TPU's in the video(s) are the result of several design iterations based on an effect that is still unknown to you. 

Until you discover this "effect", you're just wasting your time.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 22, 2008, 03:16:14 PM
If I'm handed a schematic,  I can duplicate it and have a unit runing.

If I'm given a running unit,  I have it.

Once I have a running unit, (either built or given to me)  I can then proceeed to understand how it works.

Once I understand how it works, I can scale up or down and modify or simplify.

But we have neither, but can deduce most of the schematic from the videos... and with some retoric from SM we might just be able to piece this mystery together.

Is it realy an "effect" ?  Some exotic "comp" field, or special material properties?,  or is it using well known electromagnetic principles to extract energy from the earth magnetic field?

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dom on April 22, 2008, 03:23:16 PM
should we just keep going, i think so, is there things out there, that we don't fully understand, will we find that little clue from all the experimentation, we might actually walk right past it, I have hope that there is still much more to discover.....and that we spot the clues.

Like we could ask is there more to life than just what we know already, imagine the new discovery, of the new millennium, energy in abundance, to change the world forever....fear has alot to do with inhibiting progress.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 22, 2008, 03:32:08 PM
@OzOnE

Welcome to the forum and I and I am sure other appreciate that you have taken time to acquaint yourself with the many threads before posting.

I have to go to the office but before, I downloaded avisynth and VirtualDubMod. I installed avisynth then unzipped and opened VirtualDub (I put a shortcut on the desktop) then, then loaded the processing settings and tried to open SM TPU avs file. I am getting an error as follows;

Avisynth open failure:
Avisynth open failure: MPEG2Source: Could not open one of the input files,
SM TPU.avs, line 2
SM TPU--default2.avs, line 2

Do you know why.

Before I installed this, I should have asked you if you compared the image clarity between VirtualDubMod (VDM) program and my regular Windows Media Classic that I use to open VOB files. WMC has the advance by frame button active but the previous frame button is not activated. Don't know why so you have to pan back manually and start over and over again. If VDM is really much clearer then it is worth me trying to get it to work when I return home later this evening. I did not download from the torrent.

But from what @EM says, there is no point trying to make a better clarity with a de-interlaced file. So maybe another program will not do the trick.

As for seeing the center of the TPU, I remember seeing that also but I mainly understood this to be electrical tape in the center. I could be wrong. I cannot remember which "single" frame showed this but if you can grab an image, please do and post it here.

@EM

Thanks for answering @Grumpy. lol
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on April 22, 2008, 03:39:19 PM
If I'm handed a schematic,  I can duplicate it and have a unit runing.

If I'm given a running unit,  I have it.

Once I have a running unit, (either built or given to me)  I can then proceeed to understand how it works.

Once I understand how it works, I can scale up or down and modify or simplify.

But we have neither, but can deduce most of the schematic from the videos... and with some retoric from SM we might just be able to piece this mistery together.

Is it realy an "effect" ?  Some exotic "comp" field, or special material properties?,  or is it using well known electromagnetic principles to extract energy from the earth magnetic field?

EM

SM stated in plain English that Tao had the "secret".  No cryptic analogy.  No esoteric words.  He said the he "definitely has the secret".

Tao's post dealt entirely with the production of the "radiant energy effect", which "runs with gain" via some unexplored mechanism of magnification.

Eric Dollard and Peter Lindemann (sp?) produced a video where Dollard illustrates and discusses the RE effect - lights bulbs, and shows how copper is attracted to the bulbs and the human hand is repelled.  This video can be found free via Google.  I don't see anyone picking that video apart and it has been around for many years.  Dollard has also written 5 books related to this subject.

If it makes it easier to accept, "dispacement current" is still a current.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: innovation_station on April 22, 2008, 03:42:29 PM
@ em

have you ever used a neo in a mechanical setup.....??

i think 2 coils a neo a power supply mabe a few more parts....   will get you there  no?

and if you are not brave enough to play with neos try a alum strip and a reed switch  ;)

now...  when this is configured properly  when you aproch the coil with an external magnet it will dance  ;)

ist

anyone else think the basic tpu is a fancy relay switch switched at 5khz??

1more thing ....   after the dance is  started i see no reason why the source can not be removed and the extra captured and sent back through the system   this is where we get the ramp up or the turbine effect once it hits 5 khz we can draw off it

no!?!?!?!
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 22, 2008, 04:35:05 PM
SM stated in plain English that Tao had the "secret".  No cryptic analogy.  No esoteric words.  He said the he "definitely has the secret".

SM alluded to "you got it!" more than just with tao's post. carl's posts were praised, Lindsay's coil, and there are others. based on this i don't think it is safe to assume any one is the clear answer.

there are things with the tpu that don't fit with RE as i'm sure you agree. spherics' posts didn't allude to RE generation at all, but sounds more like conventional induction. the key according to him is generating the comp field. rotating it around is child's play. so it all goes back to the ol' kick again.

there's a bit of road ahead yet.

btw, has anyone wondered how or why spherics appears to know so much? is it really possible when SM was so guarded? maybe it is one of those that broke in and stole a device, or maybe it's someone that worked at spheric labs on the speakers, or learned of the tpu workings 3rd hand. read this:

Quote
I will now digress onto the circumstance surrounding the initial eureka moment as I understand them.
he goes on to describe delays with ES speakers...interesting

but sounds like 3rd hand info to me.

his coil-firing arrangement does agree with what carl suggested

lil' ol' troll
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dansway on April 22, 2008, 04:38:51 PM
These guys produce Topaz Moment:
http://www.topazlabs.com

...and other software packages.

~Dan
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on April 22, 2008, 04:54:03 PM
If the TPU was "sold" or "acquired" then it is logical that it underwent study and possibly further development.  This would have involved others besides SM.

SM uses the term "we" on several occasions when discussing the development of the device.

Concerning RE, there are many ways to create and/or utilize it.  Tesla first noticed "something else" when large DC generators were switched on.  In Tesla's patents on RE collection he shows various ways to recieve the energy, and even focus it, but always uses a capacitor for storage.

As for "induction" there are many forms of this, not just "electromagnetic induction".

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 22, 2008, 05:24:14 PM
If it makes it easier to accept, "dispacement current" is still a current.
Yep, it is... Imagine that abrupt discharge creates RE (comp) field. This strongly displaces existing magnetic field, but since core is slow, this displacement results in a pretty relaxed kick that immediately follows pulse. Make the core fast and you'll likely won't notice anything since your core won't have any energy in it by the time when the discharge fires. So, I would suggest before performing any tests make sure your core is slow, that it sustains magnetic/electric field after each pulse so that next pulse can interfere with some field. I may be wrong, of course, but that's an idea to consider.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 22, 2008, 05:27:38 PM
always uses a capacitor for storage.
I think it's a requirement. Nothing (beside maybe avalanche MOSFET) can push so much current in a single pulse. Capacitor discharges logarithmically which makes it possible to estimate the peak energy output of each pulse and length of the pulse, knowing capacitor's rating. I guess most guys here are playing with toyish discharges that do not make any difference except on the o-scope. It's a dangerous biz in fact. 5000 pulses per second with 100mJ each pulse equals to 500 W*s power.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on April 22, 2008, 05:50:09 PM
Eric Dollard's video on Longitudinal Electricity where he demonstrates radiant energy:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=eric+dollard+longitudinal+electricity+video

(pick one - it has been loaded to several locations)

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 22, 2008, 05:50:32 PM
   The capacitor is used to collect the pulsed energy.   You can take an avalanche diode and put it downstream of a capacitor and create a spike which is then directed to interfere with mass and disresonate the mass.  Then collect the photon phonons potential energy whatever you want to call translatory energy,  on a capacitor or a collector winding or a radio receiver steel antennae or some salt water or an x-ray exposure plate or on a....................  .  It is not the energy of the spike that you are collecting.  Alecks the SPIKE IS A CATALYST.   The ambient magnetic field restores resonance to the mass that just shook off a little potential energy and you are back in business.
Is it necessary to define a catalyst?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: OzOnE on April 22, 2008, 06:25:26 PM
Until you discover this "effect", you're just wasting your time.

@Grumpy, I agree that even if we had the schematics and even a method of building a working device, will still wouldn't necessarily know the true principles behind it's operation, but surely this is what we're all aiming for? Whether we look for the theory first, or try to reverse-engineer the "original" devices by looking at the available information thus far, we're still trying to achieve the same goal?

@EMdevices - yes, I think there would be more information in the interlaced frames, and it's difficult to see detail when the two fields are blended (even with the best deinterlacers.) I never thought of duplicating the fields, then looking at both fields separately. I know you were discussing viewing the separate fields, but what did you mean when you said that Jack's video is already deinterlaced though? (The DVD VOB files are definitely interlaced?)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 22, 2008, 06:30:59 PM
Quote
but what did you mean when you said that Jack's video is already deinterlaced though?


I have something to compare it too  (frame grabs posted long ago)  and those are more clear and the interlaced fields can easily be seen and when taken apart, the picture has way more info for use with Topaz labs, or other superesolution solutions.   But, if you look at a typical frame from the Jack video,  you won't see the typical lines on the edges of moving objects (mice teeth,etc..)  which are indicative of interlaced video,  instead you will see a blur,  which means he already DEINTERLACED by BLENDING  the fields together.     I'll try and post one of these "mice teeth"  frames so you can see.....

EM

P.S. Look at the tape measure in motion , see the lines?    now compare to Jack's video.

A good comentary on deinterlacing etc..  www.100fps.com

In the frame shown,  the tpu itself is not moving, so we are ok, but in most of the other shots, either the camera shakes,  or Steven moves the tpu around,  so we loose so much info by Blending.     Remember,  each field in a frame is an actual picture in time, so we get sharp motion frozen pictures of the tpu  (but at half the vertical resolution, but that's ok since we have 2 fields per frame and they're offset verticaly,)  just read the above link and it will explain it a lot better.

The botom line, we need the have as close a copy to the original as possible,  no deinterlacing, no nothing.  We can do the rest digitaly and extract all the info that can reasonably be extracted from both of the individual fields within a single frame.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 22, 2008, 07:01:27 PM
Hi EM,
Jack?s video is still interlaced.

You are correct, that it might be more usefull to deinterlace
the video this way, that it will be converted into
single frames from the single fields and thus upconvert from
29.97 Hz to about 60 Hz,
so every field will be converted (interpolated) from 720x240 to 720x480
and the vertical 1 scanline difference will be adjusted.

This week, I don?t have much time, but when again having
more time I will see, if I can this way get more infos from it.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 22, 2008, 07:07:27 PM
Yes that's correct Stefan,  let's give Jack some time, he did promise to do another copy like he posted.

And yes, you can say the footage is "interlaced",   a sharp picture can also be thought of as "interlaced",  the point was that when he copied from the master tape to the computer, he probably selected deinterlace on the fly by blending, or something simular.    (my capture device has that feature as well)   So that's why the fields got blended and smeared where there is motion  (and there's lots of motion right where things get interesting and zoomed in on the TPUs)

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 22, 2008, 07:15:36 PM
Quote
but what did you mean when you said that Jack's video is already deinterlaced though?


I have something to compare it too  (frame grabs posted long ago)  and those are more clear and the interlaced fields can easily be seen and when taken apart, the picture has way more info for use with Topaz labs, or other superesolution solutions.   But, if you look at a typical frame from the Jack video,  you won't see the typical lines on the edges of moving objects (mice teeth,etc..)  which are indicative of interlaced video,  instead you will see a blur,  which means he already DEINTERLACED by BLENDING  the fields together.     I'll try and post one of these "mice teeth"  frames so you can see.....

EM

P.S. Look at the tape measure in motion , see the lines?    now compare to Jack's video.

A good comentary on deinterlacing etc..  www.100fps.com

In the frame shown,  the tpu itself is not moving, so we are ok, but in most of the other shots, either the camera shakes,  or Steven moves the tpu around,  so we loose so much info by Blending.     Remember,  each field in a frame is an actual picture in time, so we get sharp motion frozen pictures of the tpu  (but at half the vertical resolution, but that's ok since we have 2 fields per frame and they're offset verticaly,)  just read the above link and it will explain it a lot better.

The botom line, we need the have as close a copy to the original as possible,  no deinterlacing, no nothing.  We can do the rest digitaly and extract all the info that can reasonably be extracted from both of the individual fields within a single frame.

Notice in the picture the position twist and relative postion of the bailing wire to the control coil turns.  Flux capacitors would have to be made out of something you can magnetize but in this case the Earth is magnetising this capacitor.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 22, 2008, 07:35:24 PM
Ok,  to illustrate,  here's the two fields in the above frame,  deinterlaced and placed next to each other.  These can then be scaled up vertically, back to 480,  and since they are slightly verticaly shifted, virtualDub and other software can compensate and adjust.  Now we can scale up the time speed from 29.97 frames per second, to almost twice that (not too sure on this, as the frames are interposed, this science is a bit involved)

Anyway, notice that now you can see more detail in the moving objects  (tape measure in this case)   You might still get some bluring due to the motion and the shutter speed of the camera,  but it's nowere near as bad as blending the fields.

EM

P.S.  I added the scaled up version.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 22, 2008, 07:39:12 PM

@Jack - I'm assuming the HI-8 deck you used for the source has a TBC? Would it help if you had an external TBC. I would be glad to chip-in to buy a TBC that we could send to you. (I know you said you will at some point upload a deinterlaced version of the DVD, but please let us know if there are any gadgets which will improve the HI-8 capture even further.)


Greetings! Actually I Do have a TBC, a DPS RC-2000. I have a full SD/HD broadcast edit bay in my lab. I also use an Elite video broadcaster video processor. I am editing a pared down video direct from the MPEG2 source.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 22, 2008, 07:51:08 PM
Maybe I should get my eyes interlaced. They are killing me from looking to close to the screen. Or buy some special interlacing glasses. lol

The trickiest parts are when the tpu is turned and you are trying to keep track of one part of it while it turns, then you see the wire upside down and you lose perspective and have to start over again. lol

SM made great attention when showing the FTPU to not show to much of the circuit side. He also had added two pieces of tape on the power out wires which helped mask the inner capacitor. You see this when he takes the TPU out of the case until he puts it on the video machines. A big white reflection. He also kep his hands near the device, waving them here and there to create distractions. It's too bad the cut-away scene is not in these videos.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 22, 2008, 08:19:26 PM
@JD

With all that equipment, you could start OU TV or the The Overunity Channel.

@All

About the pulsing, what if I had a capacitor, an inductor and a zener diode. once the voltage reached a certain level in the capacitor, would the zener open, discharge, then close and start over. Could this be done fast enough. Could the item E above be a Zener Diode instead of a capacitor?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: orbs on April 22, 2008, 08:38:37 PM
I'm agreeing with EMdevices regarding the interlacing. The DVD seems to have been de-interlaced already. The quality is probably fine for most purposes, but if you want the best possible still pictures, you probably have to choose the de-interlacing algorithm manually on a case by case basis (for every single picture, like you can do with the plug-ins of VirtualDub). So the original interlaced footage at the maximum DVD bit rate 59.94i would probably be a good thing to have for TPU studies.

Edit: (I should have known better, having written a line 21 decoder...)

The DVD is in fact interlaced (i.e. progressive_sequence = 0 in the stream). However, there are two different ways how this can be encoded in MPEG-2 on a DVD: Each top and bottom frame for itself (called field picture), or both fields together with their lines alternating (called frame picture). The DVD is encoded as the latter (i.e. picture_structure = 3 [Frame picture] in the stream), which means the individual top and bottom frames cannot be properly separated again (because it is compressed in a way similar to a JPEG, which smears the lines)..

So for possibly better results, it could be either encoded as field picture on a DVD with 29.97 fps, or with 59.94 fps with each field in a separate frame in a more advanced video format.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: OzOnE on April 22, 2008, 08:52:08 PM
@EMdevices, thanks for the screenshots. I see your point about the fields now, by just using them separately we should see more detail instead of blurring them further. I was still a bit confused though, as Jack's video IS indeed interlaced  :) . I did have a look at www.100fps.com while trying to find the best deinterlacer for the footage, but you're correct in saying that I should really rephrase that to "best field combiner / blurrer" !!

I noticed one of the plugins called "DeInterlace Smooth" converts the interlaced footage into 60Hz by resizing each field as you have done and doubling the frame rate (smooth meaning frame rate NOT image!) - it should be possible to try this sort of thing in VirtualDub itself and this is the main reason for me using it. You can see the effect of the plugins and filters on-the-fly, and it doesn't blur the image further like it sometimes can when playing via Directshow / overlay. It can get very blocky when you "zoom in" on VirtualDub though as it doesn't do any smoothing on the preview images at all. Again, this is my personal preference for using it (plus, it's free, so we can send it to anyone).

@Jack - always good to see you on this forum. I don't think any of us expected anyone to turn up who actually worked with SM directly! Just wanted to say thanks for the video - I know you're very busy and I'm glad you stuck with it after you read some of the "less positive" posts.

Is a TBC supposed to correct (or attempt to correct) the errors already present on the master HI-8 tape? For instance, on the first part of the footage, you can see how wavy the black vertical line on the left is throughout most of the video - I know this is an effect of the head jitter etc., but I thought a TBC was supposed to do it's best to correct this?

Also, if you do run another copy, do you think there is any more info on the tape that can be captured by raising the black level slightly etc? (without clipping the whites). Again, although this footage won't give us all the answers, it's one of the most important steps so far in trying to reverse-engineer the TPU IMHO .In deference to Grumpy's view a few posts back (I should know by now not to be the first fish that "bites"  :D ) - I'm all for the theory, but seeing that most of it goes over my head, I think I can be of more help in deciphering the wiring / coil configurations and the circuit operation first of all.)

Jack, do you possibly know who Spherics might actually be? (probably been asked before)

@all - Apologies for this, but I made a bit of an error with the files I attached previously - you will need to download a copy of DVD2AVI....

http://www.digital-digest.com/software/download.php?sid=1028&ssid=0&did=2

Then, open your first VOB file from the SM DVD ("VTS_01_1.VOB"), and the rest in the sequence should also load in automatically. Then, just go to File > Save Project, and save the new file as "VTS_01_1.d2v" in the same folder as the other files (SM DVD's "VIDEO_TS" folder). You should then be able to open the .avs file with VirtualDubMod.

The reason it fails to open is because the d2v file points directly to where MY copy of the DVD files are stored. Sorry about that - I knew I should have tested it all fully.  :-[
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 22, 2008, 08:59:28 PM
@JD

With all that equipment, you could start OU TV or the The Overunity Channel.


I should put up some shots of the lab. Steven would recognize all his gear!  I still have all his DBX, Carver, Yamaha, and Hush systems, and a $hitload of Spheric speakers!
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 22, 2008, 09:33:44 PM
About the pulsing, what if I had a capacitor, an inductor and a zener diode. once the voltage reached a certain level in the capacitor, would the zener open, discharge, then close and start over. Could this be done fast enough. Could the item E above be a Zener Diode instead of a capacitor?
Maybe TRIAC could be used? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIAC Sounds like an interesting variant. While it can be triggered with a low current, and then it automatically shut offs. Sorry, I'm just thinking theoretically, but it does look like it can be used for conducting pulse discharge and then work as a protecting diode. From the description it does not react on gate signal when it is triggered - good for "fire and forget" logic. Coupled with a capacitor that provides discharge energy it should work pretty well - close to Otto's MOSFET pulses.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 22, 2008, 09:59:16 PM
About the pulsing, what if I had a capacitor, an inductor and a zener diode. once the voltage reached a certain level in the capacitor, would the zener open, discharge, then close and start over. Could this be done fast enough. Could the item E above be a Zener Diode instead of a capacitor?
Maybe TRIAC could be used? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIAC Sounds like an interesting variant. While it can be triggered with a low current, and then it automatically shut offs. Sorry, I'm just thinking theoretically, but it does look like it can be used for conducting pulse discharge and then work as a protecting diode. From the description it does not react on gate signal when it is triggered - good for "fire and forget" logic. Coupled with a capacitor that provides discharge energy it should work pretty well - close to Otto's MOSFET pulses.

True but it will only shut off during a zero cross and if the unit goes into an unknown state and the gate fails to see the zero cross the TRIAC will remain on.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 22, 2008, 10:18:26 PM
True but it will only shut off during a zero cross and if the unit goes into an unknown state and the gate fails to see the zero cross the TRIAC will remain on.
Well, yes, this info is available there via links, there is also problem with main current raising too fast - so may not be suitable for pulse discharges. I think we are mostly limited in choice by avalanche mode SS components. No other kind of components may "suck" as much current from power source - in theory current may rise to infinity until the unit is destroyed. So, to get high-power pulses it should be whether some mechanical device connected to capacitor battery or avalanche SS component connected in feedback mode (considering DC output) or to a capacitor battery.

Maybe this can be useful: http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/an/12244.htm

(from this note it seems that in Otto's experiment the quick oscillation that follows the MOSFET peak is a result of avalanche operation, not something particularly interesting - see figure 13 in the notes for similar oscillation).
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 22, 2008, 10:37:00 PM
@JD

With all that equipment, you could start OU TV or the The Overunity Channel.

@All

About the pulsing, what if I had a capacitor, an inductor and a zener diode. once the voltage reached a certain level in the capacitor, would the zener open, discharge, then close and start over. Could this be done fast enough. Could the item E above be a Zener Diode instead of a capacitor?

      Wattsup look for these things.   A small transformer connected to a capacitor.  This acts to stop the kick energy from going around the tpu again when you don't want it to, and also charges the capacitor.  The time it takes for the capacitor to charge allows the tpu to come back into magnetic resonance with the Earth's magnetic field.  I would say yes your looking at a zener diode.  What happens is this creates a short circuit when it reaches a specific voltage and discharges the capacitor in nanoseconds into the tpu transmitter winding. This circuit is used all the time in high speed voltage regulators.  It is the easiest spike producer to make in the world.  The transformer will most probably be one that is round with 2 wires leading to a capacitor and leads leading to the kick windings.

    SM How long do you figure this will this keep going on before OU's SM tpu board is a ghost town? 
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 22, 2008, 10:59:08 PM
I would say yes your looking at a zener diode.
Unfortunately, zener diodes with high voltage rating (above 100V) are non-existent.

One thing to consider... If the potential of the output of TPU is 100V the pulse peak potential should be much higher, if the system is "self supporting". I won't be surprised if 900V TPU uses 5kV pulses. If there is no other "ground" in the device, this ground is represented by DC voltage of the system I think.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 23, 2008, 12:24:55 AM
@alecks

  The tpu is a MAGNETIC energy collector.  It is not a transformer.  The spike could be easily 1volt peak to peak at 1x10-6 watts input to tpu output ratio.  The ambient magnetic field of Earth is a fluid.  Like air it is compressible and viscous.  All physics that apply and have been developed for fluid dynamics will apply to magnetism.  The tpu doesn't pressurize the magnetic field it uses magnetism like Tesla's turbine uses the viscosity of water.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: gyulasun on April 23, 2008, 12:31:07 AM
I would say yes your looking at a zener diode.
Unfortunately, zener diodes with high voltage rating (above 100V) are non-existent.


Hi,  sorry to chime in,  though I cannot make it out what E might be in wattsup picture (it could be a zener too), Zener diodes are manufactured up to 200V, see this link (out of many): http://www.nteinc.com/Web_pgs/Fifty.html  shows zener diodes in so called stud-mount package.

@wattsup,  if it is a zener diode with x voltage, and you say the capacitor is charged up to a certain level then a zener diode start to dicharge the cap: The capacitor is able to charge up just to voltage level x, no higher, and no discharge from lower than this x level by the zener because it cannot conduct voltage level below x, ok? or you did not mean this way.

rgds, Gyula
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 23, 2008, 12:42:20 AM
    @wattsup

   I think I made a mistake calling it a zener.  There is a diode that avalanches.
Once the voltage reaches a rated voltage it conducts until the holding voltage drops to a certain level.  It may be a silicon controlled rectifier of some sort I am thinking of.  Been a while.  Anyway this device can dump the power of the capacitor in nanoseconds.

   Thankyou for the post Gyula.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Bruce_TPU on April 23, 2008, 12:51:58 AM
you guys sure of your posted NMR frequencies for iron?

i don't think there has been a consensus, and doesn't look right

bruce for example has 323 MHz. well at what B field strength?

looks like this frequency depends on B, and that at least some testing is done with B = 1T

so, in the earth's field alone, you'd be looking at a factor of 20,000 times slower

so what's that? oh about 16.15 kHz

DOH!  :o ............LOL

@ Poynt

This is true.  There is no consensus.  We need experimentation, not consensus.  Spherics said the NMR frequency of Iron and it's harmonics.  What divisible harmonic is not known.  I would think by four and seven, but just a guess.  So no, finding the exact frequency will be a challange, but not the hundred years to find it that SM stated.  We are closer, thanks to Spherics.

@ All
I am convinced that the correct setup according to Spheric's second post will give us an anomoulous magnetic strength.  I believe that this is the kick we are looking for, not just a voltage spike.  Gauss meters are needed.

Think about Marco's dancing magnets.  SM believed at first that perhaps the earth's magnetic field was responsible.  Spherics explained in detail, why there is a comp field.  That comp field it the key to the TPU, IMHO. 

Now Spherics was able to bypass the comp field, delay, setup, by finding a different setup for his coils, for use of the "magic" frequency.

Funny that SM gave us KHz but recommends VHF tubes.  I always did find this strange. VHF is from 30 MHz to 300 MHz.

SM's words:
"Yes, I know that they are hard to find so I have found that I can use any triode designed for color TV VHF use."

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: shredon on April 23, 2008, 01:08:28 AM
 Can't seem to get the torrent link to work...? Any ideas?

Thx!
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spoodily on April 23, 2008, 01:29:26 AM
There may be several primary and secondary coils in the device, this does not mean they are all connected and/or being used at the same time.

2:00 to 5:40 (4:25 to 5:40 are most important): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k_SnToRJfs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k_SnToRJfs)

1:30 to 6:40: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPxdl1zpcC8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPxdl1zpcC8)

I'll say again that in my opinion not all the wires are closed loop at the same time.  The function of the little torroid that can be seen in the FTPU, and the two in the 17" TPU are switching mechanisms.  These torroids are in all of the units and are the most important component because it controls the connection of the secondaries and primaries.

PS

I was not saying in a previous post to hit a standing wave.  I was referring to Tesla's experiments with catching a rebounding wave with a new one, over time the repeated tap would cause monumental effects.

Pg. 116 Tesla: Man Out of Time by Margaret Cheney
Quote
Years later  he told Allan L. Benson of other experiments he had made with an oscillator no larger than an alarm clock.  He described attaching a vibrator to a steel link two feet long and two inches thick.  "For a long time nothing happened...But at last...the great steal link began to tremble, increasing its trembling until it dilated and contracted like a beating heart--and finally broke!" (A. L. Benson, The World Today, Vol. XXI, No. 8 (February 1912)
Sledgehammers could not have done it, he told reporters; crowbars could not have done it, but a fusillade of taps, no one of which would have harmed a baby, did it.

SM warns against hitting perfect resonance and I think cavitation is the #1 reason for it.  Watch this video and think what would happen if that was copper being imploded and then flung outward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR0YBAhY2PQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR0YBAhY2PQ)

"I'll turn on the primary frequency...and now the secondary frequency."

VOB1 (7:17-7:25): "Each time the frequency comes together (*claps*) it appears to have an effect."

Example:  If a cue ball is rolling past you and you have another cue ball in your hand, to keep the momentum of the rolling ball going in the same direction you would bring down your ball on top of the rolling ball just after it had slightly passed.  Too early and the ball would reverse and right on top the ball would stop.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 23, 2008, 01:59:15 AM
Funny that SM gave us KHz but recommends VHF tubes.  I always did find this strange. VHF is from 30 MHz to 300 MHz.

SM's words:
"Yes, I know that they are hard to find so I have found that I can use any triode designed for color TV VHF use."

is it? but if you want fast rise times even at kHz frequencies, wouldn't you want a fast device? it does make sense to you right?

how many camps are here now? 2, 4, more?

there's the spherics' camp with the comp field kick and angled/vertical coils rmf common induction approach, bruce? eldarion?

there's the Tesla camp with the quad coil rmf (what are you guys doing again?) Localjoe?

there's the carl camp with the sequentially-firing coils, anyone?

there's the Tesla/Dollard RE camp (but no one has seen RE yet, have they?) grumpy?

lil' ol' troll

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Localjoe on April 23, 2008, 02:16:04 AM
@all
The tesla boys are in gk's thread conversing and working on it so i don't clutter this one....... Currently evaluating 2 main patents and 4 pats which were mentioned within the two main. 
                                                                                              Joe
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 23, 2008, 03:25:55 AM
@EMdevices, thanks for the screenshots. I see your point about the fields now, by just using them separately we should see more detail instead of blurring them further. I was still a bit confused though, as Jack's video IS indeed interlaced  :) . I did have a look at www.100fps.com while trying to find the best deinterlacer for the footage, but you're correct in saying that I should really rephrase that to "best field combiner / blurrer" !!

I noticed one of the plugins called "DeInterlace Smooth" converts the interlaced footage into 60Hz by resizing each field as you have done and doubling the frame rate (smooth meaning frame rate NOT image!) - it should be possible to try this sort of thing in VirtualDub itself and this is the main reason for me using it. You can see the effect of the plugins and filters on-the-fly, and it doesn't blur the image further like it sometimes can when playing via Directshow / overlay. It can get very blocky when you "zoom in" on VirtualDub though as it doesn't do any smoothing on the preview images at all. Again, this is my personal preference for using it (plus, it's free, so we can send it to anyone).

@Jack - always good to see you on this forum. I don't think any of us expected anyone to turn up who actually worked with SM directly! Just wanted to say thanks for the video - I know you're very busy and I'm glad you stuck with it after you read some of the "less positive" posts.

Is a TBC supposed to correct (or attempt to correct) the errors already present on the master HI-8 tape? For instance, on the first part of the footage, you can see how wavy the black vertical line on the left is throughout most of the video - I know this is an effect of the head jitter etc., but I thought a TBC was supposed to do it's best to correct this?

A TBC can only do so much. It's primary function is getting the sync tip and porch right. Secondarily it can clean up Chroma vectors to a degree then from there the usual brightness / contrast issues.


Also, if you do run another copy, do you think there is any more info on the tape that can be captured by raising the black level slightly etc? (without clipping the whites).

I am creating a virgin and a cleaned up version using professional hardware and software.

Again, although this footage won't give us all the answers, it's one of the most important steps so far in trying to reverse-engineer the TPU IMHO .In deference to Grumpy's view a few posts back (I should know by now not to be the first fish that "bites"  :D ) - I'm all for the theory, but seeing that most of it goes over my head, I think I can be of more help in deciphering the wiring / coil configurations and the circuit operation first of all.)

Jack, do you possibly know who Spherics might actually be? (probably been asked before)

If I could get a copy of his diatribes it would help me detect similarities to SM's style.


@all - Apologies for this, but I made a bit of an error with the files I attached previously - you will need to download a copy of DVD2AVI....

http://www.digital-digest.com/software/download.php?sid=1028&ssid=0&did=2

Then, open your first VOB file from the SM DVD ("VTS_01_1.VOB"), and the rest in the sequence should also load in automatically. Then, just go to File > Save Project, and save the new file as "VTS_01_1.d2v" in the same folder as the other files (SM DVD's "VIDEO_TS" folder). You should then be able to open the .avs file with VirtualDubMod.

The reason it fails to open is because the d2v file points directly to where MY copy of the DVD files are stored. Sorry about that - I knew I should have tested it all fully.  :-[
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 23, 2008, 03:38:31 AM
Ok guys,  I stand corrected,

I downloaded VirtualDubMod, and now I can see that the video is indeed  INTERLACED like I wanted it. 

I guess all my other viewers were pulling the "wool over my eyes"   LOL

EM

P.S.   WOW, WOW, AND MORE WOW !!!
  I can see so much detail now that I interlaced the fields side by side, and scaled up by 2x the vertical dimension.   So much detail !!!,

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: kames on April 23, 2008, 03:53:47 AM
VOB1 (7:17-7:25): "Each time the frequency comes together (*claps*) it appears to have an effect."


I was waiting that somebody finally mentions this SM?s phrase. Thank you Spoodily. Why didn?t you tell the end of the sentence?

SM words:
?Each time the frequency (claps) comes together it appears to have an effect like a gyroscope. ?. Just a vibration when the device is in operation.?

It seems to me it is not two frequencies come together; it is two rotating fields in opposite direction come together. When they meet, the vibration effect appears. If one field is a little out of phase with another, the low frequency, beat frequency, should appear as a result of the two meeting fields every time at a different spot around the circumference of the toroid. The only thing about that is the phase difference should be within the same range all the time, ie, not jumping from plus to minus relative to the base signal. If the phase difference were a function of something, on the scope and mechanically, it would appear as a running wave around the toroid with low frequency/speed. This means that a single frequency is enough for the operation. The SM?s words about switching on the second frequency are just about activating the second set of coils.
The two meeting fields at any given time definitely can produce a hard mechanical effect. Now, have a look at the second open tpu. Four sets of coils, each one is wound using two pairs of wire.

By the way, if one cannot see a collector, maybe it doesn?t exist, at least in every tpu.

Kames.

PS: Also notice, SM is not saying ?frequencies?, he is saying ?frequency?.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 23, 2008, 04:15:55 AM
@ kames
 ;) ;)



oh there's a collector there alright, and it's not wound with the controls as some have imagined



lil' ol' troll
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: kames on April 23, 2008, 04:19:06 AM
@ kames
 ;) ;)



oh there's a collector there alright, and it's not wound with the controls as some have imagined

Correct  :D Depends on how one looks at it  :D

Kames.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 23, 2008, 05:10:20 AM
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PS: Also notice, SM is not saying ?frequencies?, he is saying ?frequency?

very interesting, speaks volumes

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on April 23, 2008, 05:28:07 AM

there's the Tesla/Dollard RE camp (but no one has seen RE yet, have they?) grumpy?


Many have RE, dumbass.  that's what i've ben trying to tell ya... Only way a TPU can work is by Tesla's electrostatic induction laws.  Erfinder is the only one that I know that knows these laws .  I have been able to figure out a couple of them, but not all of them.

VOB1 (7:17-7:25): "Each time the frequency comes together (*claps*) it appears to have an effect."

ain't that cool?   Cookin' with gas now! 


Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: slapper on April 23, 2008, 05:53:19 AM
"You can tell by my hand and fingers that this device is very small"
(http://www.phonecotech.com/OverU/FTPUspool1.jpg)

It's definitely plastic:

Flange diameter = 5 Inches
Barrel diameter = 1-7/8 Inches
Shaft hole size = 3/4 Inches

As specified by the manufacturer of this reel:
http://www.sonoco.com/sonoco/Products/Plastic_reels/mpl_utility_nonwire_spool_spec.htm (http://www.sonoco.com/sonoco/Products/Plastic_reels/mpl_utility_nonwire_spool_spec.htm)

For perspective a US quarter is on top of the reel on the right and a dime on the left.

Take care.

nap
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 23, 2008, 06:39:04 AM
Many have RE, dumbass.  that's what i've ben trying to tell ya... Only way a TPU can work is by Tesla's electrostatic induction laws.

really?, well ya failed to name not even one, and no one here has fessed up.

you missed the point dude.

oh, and i don't mean any of the legends, I mean people here, including yourself.

and your RE theory is just one in a pile of theories that have been proposed, so until you've got one of these tpu's on your bench producing real power from RE, i suggest a little more tolerance is in order
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 23, 2008, 07:15:14 AM
@slapper

I think your spool is too high. And it's missing a few parts. Just jokin around. Thanks for showing this cause it really does confirm the plastic. Also, there are holes drilled on the spool to pass some component  legs through to the other side.

@EM

I can seeee but at normal. At 2x my screen shows only 1/4. But man oh man is it clear. Look at it. Holy focus Batman, I can seeeeeee.

Now to do some high res grabs and zooms.

From first glances, my previous observations are pretty well on the button with a few changes to come. After this it's build time.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 23, 2008, 07:42:10 AM
Hi,  sorry to chime in,  though I cannot make it out what E might be in wattsup picture (it could be a zener too), Zener diodes are manufactured up to 200V, see this link (out of many): http://www.nteinc.com/Web_pgs/Fifty.html  shows zener diodes in so called stud-mount package.
Well, thanks. However, this is still pretty small voltage (and power - take a look at amperage). If you use average 10microsecond pulse duration maximum you can get is 0.4mJ of energy for each 200V pulse - does not look much.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spoodily on April 23, 2008, 08:23:50 AM
VOB1 (7:17-7:25): "Each time the frequency comes together (*claps*) it appears to have an effect."

I was waiting that somebody finally mentions this SM?s phrase. Thank you Spoodily. Why didn?t you tell the end of the sentence?

SM words:
?Each time the frequency (claps) comes together it appears to have an effect like a gyroscope. ?. Just a vibration when the device is in operation.?


PS: Also notice, SM is not saying ?frequencies?, he is saying ?frequency?.


I heard them as two sentences.  I somehow got a different time viewing it this time.  Now I see 5:37-5:45. 

"Each time the frequency (*claps*) comes together (uh... *jutters hand*) it appears to have an effect.  It's like a gyroscope."

He made the hand motion similar to how the other guy decribed what he felt, including similar hand motions.  Don't know if SM was mimicing the other guy's mental image or his own of the frequency "clap".  If it was his own it is very telling of what needs to happen.


SM's statement here sounds like a transformer.
"I'll turn on the primary frequency...and now the secondary frequency."

SM states several times the 5-6 KHz operation of the devices.  Maybe it is a case of misleading advertising.

If 1 pulse from a primary coil will register 2 pulses in opposite directions (AC) on a normal secondary coil, how many pulses was SM actually using in his device to get an advertised 6 KHz?

If he was splitting the pulses into two DC pulses he may be counting every one primary pulse as three pulses of DC.  This would mean that the primary coil(s) is really being energized at 2 KHz.

Depending on how many primary coils that is split into you will get your final pulse rate.
For example, if there are four primary coils, they would each pulse 500 times per second to produce 1500 total pulses each or 6000 Hz.  (1 + 2 = 3 math)

I still think that some coils may be dual functioning as primary coils and as secondary coils, this makes more sense when you think of the primaries firing in circular rotation.  In the OTPU it looks like there may be 8 coils total:  4 primary coils with 2 secondary coils per primary coil.

I'm eager to see what the new, higher quality screen shots will show.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: rensseak on April 23, 2008, 08:52:45 AM

"I'll turn on the primary frequency...and now the secondary frequency."



Did you notice also that when he turns the first switch it makes  "clickclick" and than a third click with the second switch! For me it means there are possible three frequencis.

regards
Norbert
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 23, 2008, 09:28:54 AM
Maybe SM is really is using photo flash discharger. This idea was sounded already, maybe even not once.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spoodily on April 23, 2008, 09:37:30 AM

"I'll turn on the primary frequency...and now the secondary frequency."



Did you notice also that when he turns the first switch it makes  "clickclick" and than a third click with the second switch! For me it means there are possible three frequencis.

regards
Norbert

On the smaller TPU there is only one switch that clicks only one time.  What does that mean?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: rensseak on April 23, 2008, 10:38:17 AM

"I'll turn on the primary frequency...and now the secondary frequency."



Did you notice also that when he turns the first switch it makes  "clickclick" and than a third click with the second switch! For me it means there are possible three frequencis.

regards
Norbert

On the smaller TPU there is only one switch that clicks only one time.  What does that mean?

That we can only guess. I could be that he adds only the third frequency.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dom on April 23, 2008, 01:37:05 PM
Hey guys, I was just reading posts, and I couldnt helpthinking about the two  transformer scenario, If you look at teslas patent again, 381,970 it would be like the two transformers, as the coils would be activated at 180 degrees, think of this, providing one freq in one set, and providing another in the other set, we just need to see which ones would cause this vibration to happen, perhaps its the earths 7.8 hz, beat freq that we produce that make this vibration happen, and this vibration is picked up by the outer coil, which is wound like a twist, interesting indeed.......we may already have the schematic, all we need to do is play around with the scenario...

@Jack, you mean you have alot of SM's equip? are they something he would want back, because if he hasn't come back for them, then something bad has happened....
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Localjoe on April 23, 2008, 07:07:00 PM
@Dom

The vibration is the whirling magnetic feild progressivly shiftign quadrants aroudn the thing....
                                                                                                                   joe
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 23, 2008, 07:57:13 PM


@Jack, you mean you have alot of SM's equip? are they something he would want back, because if he hasn't come back for them, then something bad has happened....

Actually it was included as part of a debt settlement with vendors of which I was the largest. I have attempted to reach SM several times and even offered to give him a very personal 10" reel recording he left on a TEAC R/R deck with calls from "Johnny" prior to the interview. I would have not done the interview if SM would have responded and asked that I not do it. I have doubts that he is still alive or free to communicate.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: OzOnE on April 23, 2008, 08:08:18 PM
@EMdevices and wassup - are you currently using VirtualDub with filters? Just wondered if the filtering helped at all? I've turned the colour up a fair amount, but not to over-do things. The colour certainly helps to identify things (such as the colours of wires on the big TPU etc.)

You can obviously play with things like the chroma shift settings under the VHS filter to "move" the colour itself around with respect to the "underlying" mono image. eg. In the part where SM is using the yellow clamp meter on the big TPU, you can see how far down the colour has "shifted" (like on his shirt sleeve and on the meter) - if you set the vertical shift to around 12 or more (neg), you can get the blue colour spot on, but this usually upsets the yellow. I don't think this plugin can shift each colour channel (RGB or YUV) independently? Also, on the "Frequency Surpressor" plugin, you can tick "show noise" to see which parts of the image it's "cleaning / smudging!".

@EMdevices - how are you viewing each field side by side? I can't seem to find a setting or plugin in VirtualDub which does this? (btw, I think when playing back using overlay / hardware acceleration in other programs, they usually tend to deinterlaced material as default.) VirtualDub does get blocky when you right-click the image to zoom in, but I think at least pixels are pixels!  :)  On newer versions of VirtualDub, it has 75% zoom options so you can fit on most screens easily (without using a filter to resize.)

btw, if you do use DVD2AVI to create your own .d2v project file, it should also extract the audio as an .ac3 file. You can then load this into VirtualDub, (yes, I know, I mentioned this before  :-X )

@slapper - Fantastic find ! I didn't expect to ever see an almost exact reel to the FTPU! I did a bit of searching on Google images, but very well done! I thought it would have been a fairly common reel / spool  type in the US though. I'm assuming the central "hub" is plastic too? Is it the same colour as in your posted image, or is there still wire on that one? (ie, is the central hub also black?)

Anyone have any thoughts on whether the FTPU has something wound around the central hub part? It still looks to me as if something is there as it looks copper-like in colour and you can almost make out the winding "texture".

Another glaring thing I missed before was the component held in the center of the spool! I've been staring at this footage for the past few days, but never took much notice of this before. It's only when you see a "bare" spool that you notice the extras bits more.

btw, I think the "trigger coil" on the FTPU at least appears to be a component with fine windings. The trigger coil I posted from Rapid Electronics is probably much smaller than the component on the FTPU though. The colour of the component suggests windings too and you can see the "legs" at the bottom which seem to be soldered to the main coils?

My thoughts on the vibration are that it's the same thing that happens with large (or small) transformers when they're first switched on. Like on large amplifiers, you often hear (and feel) the "bump" sound (from the transformer itself - not the speakers) as the mains is applied (magnetostriction - again, mentioned before.)

I remember this "bump" being more pronounced on toroidal transformers, strange that!
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 23, 2008, 08:30:26 PM
@OzOnE,    I apply the following filters :

1)  deinterlace  (then set the option on the filter to fold side by side
2)  resize  (and only resize the vertical dimention by 2x
3)  levels   (I play with the input and shift towards the black side (left) brightens up the darker parts

Anyway,  I now instaled  VirtualDubMod,    and this new unified version can load in MPEG-2, so it can load the files now (VirtualDub couldn't so I was using all sorts of other things)  Note, the filters are a bit different, but the same set is there pretty much)   

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 23, 2008, 08:43:25 PM
@EM

In windows media classic, I can pan and zoom at the same time to reach any part of the frame, but cannot do it with VirtualDubMod. Can you put a link on your last post of where I could get the same program as you. Otherwise I willhave to grab images with Snagit, set the resolution to 2400 then use the image to zoom and pan around but there will be losses. Always losses. lol

@ALL

I put a post on The Tesla Project thread regarding Zener diodes. Some of you may have interest in that complete thread and what has been learned there about Tesla circuits, etc., as this same learning can be applied here on the FTPU and others. But you would have ot read that thread to get a better understanding of how these primaries, secondaries, inductors and capacitors can interplay with each other in a circuit. I can say that up till now, except for the pulsing method, I think I know how this device works and will prepare another post soon, but I am waiting for some comments on that post.Here is the thread.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3972.msg91659.html#msg91659
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 23, 2008, 09:03:42 PM
Here's the link I used. 

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=65889&package_id=63653&release_id=352709


By the way, with this program you can also export a sequence of the frames, then you can process those further for superesolution etc..  I'll post some results later when I get home if I get the time..

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: M@rcel on April 23, 2008, 09:28:30 PM
oh there's a collector there alright, and it's not wound with the controls as some have imagined
mmm, Let's suppose there is validity in this: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4549.0.html

Then I would the center toroid expect to be the collector, catching the swirling out and in magnetic field
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: OzOnE on April 23, 2008, 09:29:29 PM
@EMdevices - Oh, I see. The internal deinterlace does it. Yep, definitely more detail I think. If you can't fit the output in the window, you can resize to 75% hor / 150% ver (untick "maintain aspect ratio", or just download the newer version as you say. I didn't like the new versions due to the way the stream list works instead of just having the old style Audio menu. The newer versions do open MPEG-2, but I don't think it opens VOB files directly unless you demux them first?

I had a thought about the inductor on the FTPU when someone said "notice the mosfets" - by this, are we talking about the black "stubs" in front of the large inductor? Also, hall-effect sensors were mentioned... I can see the possibility of these being used for triggering the next stage, or for keeping sync etc.... One thing has been bothering me about what those "stubs" really are - look at the screenshot below of the 17" TPU and you'll see what I mean.....
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 23, 2008, 09:52:06 PM
Those stubs are just part of the plate the toroid sits on, or is permanently mounted to (glued in place),  nothing special, and can be seen in the FTPU as well, where they were confused with Mosfets perhaps. 

thanks for the picture, nice close up.

What intreagues me more is the different types of wires used.   White and fat, black and thin ,  Is the black one iron?

hmmmmmmm.....   ;)

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Yucca on April 23, 2008, 10:11:26 PM
Hello all, I've been following TPU research for some time, have read all SMs letters, watched all the youtube clips and read many threads. you're all doing fine work in trying to decipher it all.

This may help:

If any consecutive frames of the TPU videos show the same scene, i.e. if the camera is held on a stationary TPU for two or more consecutive frames, then this free software will allow you to stack those frames and will increase the information content of the resulting still frame:

http://www.astronomie.be/registax/

It's used by amateur astronemers to acheive super sharp images of celestial bodies using small cheap telescopes, many blurry frames of the same object are integrated together to yield a much crisper image.

I would try it myself but don't have the AVI files yet.

Easy registax tutorial:
http://www.russsscope.net/staxtutorial.htm
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dom on April 23, 2008, 10:21:49 PM
Has anyone tried this yet?

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p51/renerator/freeenergy.jpg, everytime i see the FTPU, it looks like the renerator
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spoodily on April 23, 2008, 10:22:29 PM
Hello all, I've been following TPU research for some time, have read all SMs letters, watched all the youtube clips and read many threads. you're all doing fine work in trying to decipher it all.

This may help:

If any consecutive frames of the TPU videos show the same scene, i.e. if the camera is held on a stationary TPU for two or more consecutive frames, then this free software will allow you to stack those frames and will increase the information content of the resulting still frame:

http://www.astronomie.be/registax/

It's used by amateur astronemers to acheive super sharp images of celestial bodies using small cheap telescopes, many blurry frames of the same object are integrated together to yield a much crisper image.

I would try it myself but don't have the AVI files yet.

Easy registax tutorial:
http://www.russsscope.net/staxtutorial.htm

I'm glad people know about frame stacking.  This is a little off topic but the footage from the moon landing has disappeared from its warehouse recently, right before computers were readily able to do this type of image sharpening.

There is a pan and scan video of the moon surface where the camera was left to film for about 30 seconds and then panned and filmed for another 30 seconds and so on.  Imagine what you could see on the surface of the moon with that many frames of film stacked on top of each other.  You would have a 'hi-resolution' panoramic photo of the lunar surface.  Too bad it got stolen...
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 23, 2008, 10:40:31 PM

thanks for the picture, nice close up.

EM

Hey that is a shot from one of the download packs i posted a while back.
But these images were shot from the first bad quality video's....
I think it is best to work with the new video's.

M.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spoodily on April 23, 2008, 11:41:45 PM
oh there's a collector there alright, and it's not wound with the controls as some have imagined
mmm, Let's suppose there is validity in this: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4549.0.html

Then I would the center toroid expect to be the collector, catching the swirling out and in magnetic field

Central toroids are, in my opinion, part of the switching mechanism for the coils.  They have nothing to do with the actual collection of any usable energy.  Notice that the torroids are never fully wound but have windings on either side.  Those windings are not connected to each other, they receive a pulse of power from their respective source which is registered by the wire running through them.  The wires running through the torroid go to the coil controller.  Think about how a galvanometer works or the control mechanism for a laser light show.
From Wikipedia.
Quote
Most new uses for the galvanometer mechanism are in positioning and control systems. Mirror galvanometer systems are used as beam positioning elements in laser optical systems. These are typically high power galvanometer mechanisms used with closed loop servo control systems. They can have frequency responses over 1 kHz.

The rim of the units is where the power comes from and is put in to.  It's a modified transformer that SM has shrouded in mystery to the point that it seems to work on mystical principles.  I think the Earth's resonance stuff is utter fluff as there is no way a unit could operate in a plane or a travelling vehicle if it relied on such an outside variable as the Schumann resonance or Eath's magnetic field.  The concept is neat but I don't think that is what is really going on inside the devices.  SM also only says this is how it works while showing the FTPU and says he doesn't know fully how the FTPU works so the "taking energy from the natural magnetic field of the Earth" sounds like tuning into the BS factor.

What I do think is possible is that the device is designed to mimic the 'big picture' of using NMR on a much smaller and controllable scale without the need or hinderance of outside variables.  Making the device like a little Earth and replicating lightning strikes with pulses from a capacitor in a controlled environment.

Can anyone pick up a Schumann resonance pulse without a huge antenna or use the Earth's magnetic field for anything other than making a compass show its flow?  SM turns his devices in all 360 degrees with no output variation.  I do notice that he turns the little tiny one upside down when he is finished with it and the FTPU shows a decline in output when turned upside down...

I'll stop typing here before I jumble my thoughts.

One more little thing for reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal_inductors_and_transformers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal_inductors_and_transformers)
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Toroidal inductors and transformers are components is in electronics, typically consisting of a circular ring-shaped magnetic core of iron powder, ferrite, or other material around which wire is coiled to make an inductor. Toroidal coils are used in a broad range of applications, such as high-frequency coils and transformers. Toroidal inductors can have higher Q factors and higher inductance than similarly constructed solenoid coils. This is due largely to the smaller number of turns required when the core provides a closed magnetic path. The magnetic flux in a toroid is largely confined to the core, preventing its energy from being absorbed by nearby objects, making toroidal cores essentially self-shielding.

In the geometry of torus-shaped magnetic fields, the poloidal flux direction threads the "donut hole" in the center of the torus, while the toroidal flux direction is parallel the core of the torus.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: FatBird on April 24, 2008, 01:01:38 AM
I know some of you will disagree with this, but I really believe the following hypothesis:

Floyd Sweet just had a rotating Aether Vortex spinning between the 2 flat magnets.  Edwin Gray had it spinning inside his special tube.  Hubbard had it spinning inside his circumference of pulsing electromagnets.  The TESTATICA Device has it spinning inside the two large cans.  SM had it spinning inside sequentially pulsing control coils arranged in a Toroid.  These are just different ways of accomplishing the same thing.

That is why most of SM's TPUs wouldn't work upside down.  When he flipped them over, the spin came to a gradual stop.  That also coincides with what SM called the "INERTIA EFFECT".  In essence, SM proved that Aether will only spin in 1 direction in the northern hemisphere.  When flipped over, no Aether spin = no output.  Neither SM nor Floyd Sweet really knew the relevance of the spinning Aether Vortex.

Remember when Sweet accidentally shorted the 2 output wires & ICE formed.  Aether Spin in Coils Produces COLD ELECTRICITY!

Remember in one video where SM said "Now you tell me why it won't work upside down."  Yes, SM is a Very Brilliant Man, but at the time he really didn't understand that the TPU output power was coming from the Aether Vortex.

I think the foregoing facts are very important for a TPU Design Concept.
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Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 24, 2008, 01:25:22 AM
I know some of you will disagree with this, but I really believe the following hypothesis:

Floyd Sweet just had a rotating Aether Vortex spinning between the 2 flat magnets.  Edwin Gray had it spinning inside his special tube.  Hubbard had it spinning inside his circumference of pulsing electromagnets.  The TESTATICA Device has it spinning inside the two large cans.  SM had it spinning inside sequentially pulsing control coils arranged in a Toroid.  These are just different ways of accomplishing the same thing.

That is why most of SM's TPUs wouldn't work upside down.  When he flipped them over, the spin came to a gradual stop.  That also coincides with what SM called the "INERTIA EFFECT".  In essence, SM proved that Aether will only spin in 1 direction in the northern hemisphere.  When flipped over, no Aether spin = no output.  Neither SM nor Floyd Sweet really knew the relevance of the spinning Aether Vortex.

Remember when Sweet accidentally shorted the 2 output wires & ICE formed.  Aether Spin in Coils Produces COLD ELECTRICITY!

Remember in one video where SM said "Now you tell me why it won't work upside down."  Yes, SM is a Very Brilliant Man, but at the time he really didn't understand that the TPU output power was coming from the Aether Vortex.

I think the foregoing facts are very important for a TPU Design Concept.
.

Great concept!

I agree. My original thinking was that Steven's little magnet based switch was the cause of the unit shutting down when upended and sliding off center of the reed but after seeing the video prior to releasing here I noticed that the magnet stays in place. This also reinforces the fact that the TPU is not overly influenced by nearby DC flux as presented by the magnet(s).
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 24, 2008, 01:45:17 AM
 @fatbyrd

The aether is a fluid and the Earth pumps it around.  All we have to do is get a whirlpool going on the side of the river and it's free energy from there on out.  Now which way does that compass point?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: FatBird on April 24, 2008, 02:07:41 AM
Thank you for your support Jack & Sparks.

Jack, it would be of IMMENSE VALUE if you can remember which way the Compass Spun Up.  Was it clockwise or CCW?  That would tell everyone which way the Coils need to Pulse, CW or CCW, to operate properly.

SM spoke of his compass spinning up & coasting down when the TPU was shut off.  I watched all of the Low Res Films, but none of them showed a compass.

Can you remember anything on that?

Thank you Jack for all of your contributions.
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Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spoodily on April 24, 2008, 02:46:31 AM
Thank you for your support Jack & Sparks.

Jack, it would be of IMMENSE VALUE if you can remember which way the Compass Spinned Up.  Was it clockwise or CCW?  That would tell everyone which way the Coils need to Pulse, CW or CCW, to operate properly.

SM spoke of his compass spinning up & coasting down when the TPU was shut off.  I watched all of the Low Res Films, but none of them showed a compass.

Can you remember anything on that?

Thank you Jack for all of your contributions.
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I'll give you a hint.  The turbine and rotating magnetic field effect happens because the 2nd secondary's flux pulse (received from the collapsing magnetic flux from turning its primary's off) is routed into the next firing primary.  The second secondary coil is preferable to use because the next firing primary will have a neutral core to pulse to.  Not all wires are closed loop at the same time, this would cause energy loss.  Copper is awesome because it is invisible to magnetic flux when not closed loop.

The primaries are side by side and have the same polar direction.  This means that the same flow of magnetic flux will be maintained for every pulse.  The wiring is uniform around the ring, the most important part is to have the coils wound in the appropriate direction so the primaries pulse the correct way and the secondaries receive the flux in the right way.  The directing of the secondaries flux pulse is to be complimentary to the flow of the system.

When you remove the input power of the capacitors into the primaries (ie: turn the unit off), the system is winding down 'like a turbine' until the pulses lose all of their 'momentum' and equilibrium is reached.  This is because one pulse to a single primary causes a rolling pulse that is recycled by a secondary coil, fed into a primary that pulses and that pulse is received on a secondary whose pulse is fed back into primary and so on.  It keeps pulsing until there is no more energy, the energy to maintain the system is from the capacitors and batteries.

The primaries can double as secondaries, wires can be reused for dual purpose.  This simplifies the amount of wiring for a rotational firing of the primary coils and having two secondary coils per primary.

In normal operation, the pulse from the secondary is paired with a fresh spike of current from a capacitor.  The correct timing of the pulses will created bigger and bigger pulses on the secondaries.

The same principle behind shaking a building down with a tiny oscillator.  It uses very little energy to get a big result.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 24, 2008, 02:56:38 AM
Thank you for your support Jack & Sparks.

Jack, it would be of IMMENSE VALUE if you can remember which way the Compass Spun Up.  Was it clockwise or CCW?  That would tell everyone which way the Coils need to Pulse, CW or CCW, to operate properly.

SM spoke of his compass spinning up & coasting down when the TPU was shut off.  I watched all of the Low Res Films, but none of them showed a compass.

Can you remember anything on that?

Thank you Jack for all of your contributions.
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Thanks first of all.


Wish I could tell you but that demo was done after I already parted company. I do believe the story though as I know in my heart that what I felt was rotary or angular transfer of energy from coil to coil. The effect was tangible and not some sense of psychic interlude with the unknown!
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 24, 2008, 04:32:26 AM
Oh boys,  I think I discovered something in the videos,  I see vertical wires inside, and we all know what that means,  it's the old quadrature Tesla arangement, 4 quadrants and phasing will produce that rotating mag field, etc...   what do you think?

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: fleubis on April 24, 2008, 04:58:04 AM
From what I can see the posted torrent is down, and has been down for several days. Also the MediaFire individual files folder 1, file  .z01 is corrupt so nobody is downloading at this point is looks like. If anyone else is seeding, can they please post the torrent link? Not everyone has downloaded that needs to.

Thanks

James
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 24, 2008, 04:58:20 AM
Yes, SM is a Very Brilliant Man, but at the time he really didn't understand that the TPU output power was coming from the Aether Vortex.
Now you tell me why my bulk three phase motor does not give me cold electricity.

In the essence I just want to point you to one thing. You see a vortex when you are flushing water not because the vortex flushes water, but because there is hole where water sinks down. Vortex is a result, not a cause.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: eldarion on April 24, 2008, 05:03:50 AM
Now you tell me why my bulk three phase motor does not give me cold electricity.
Yes, please do!  There is something here that is different from a standard motor, so two-phase four-coil is not the secret...

I have uploaded a high quality picture of the FTPU here, highlighting two MOSFETs: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item41

Eldarion
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 24, 2008, 05:08:00 AM
Let me say this one more time,  there are no Mosfets, no transistors, no active components in the FTPU.

When the system "runs with gain" you don't need amplification, pulses or anything, it is SELF OSCILLATING if wired correctly for positive feedback.

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: eldarion on April 24, 2008, 05:10:09 AM
Let me say this one more time,  there are no Mosfets, no transistors, no active components in the FTPU.

When the system "runs with gain" you don't need amplification, pulses or anything, it is SELF OSCILLATING if wired correctly for positive feedback.

EM

OK, then what are the two components in my picture?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: innovation_station on April 24, 2008, 05:13:18 AM
Let me say this one more time,  there are no Mosfets, no transistors, no active components in the FTPU.

When the system "runs with gain" you don't need amplification, pulses or anything, it is SELF OSCILLATING if wired correctly for positive feedback.

EM

thank you EMdevices !!!!!!!


i second that ...

did any of you see my cap charger  ;D

ist

i will post another small pic of it it takes a swipe of a magnet to start it .. or a pluse from a d cell battery  it ran over 4 hours b4
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 24, 2008, 05:13:35 AM
I see capacitors, so I agree with you there,  on the toroid, it's one of the wires and some tape I believe,  the other one I'm not sure, but there is a whole lot of tape connecting wires, and the spiral is just that, now there's another interesting feature inside, another spiral, I'll post a picture soon.

EM

P.S.  Ok here it is.  What's it for?  Tunning?  Delay coil?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spoodily on April 24, 2008, 05:42:47 AM
I see capacitors, so I agree with you there,  on the toroid, it's one of the wires and some tape I believe,  the other one I'm not sure, but there is a whole lot of tape connecting wires, and the spiral is just that, now there's another interesting feature inside, another spiral, I'll post a picture soon.

EM

P.S.  Ok here it is.  What's it for?  Tunning?  Delay coil?

That's that cylinder I was talking about.  It looks like a capacitor or a AA battery.  Can you see coils of wire on it?  I can't tell.

"Did you get that in the viewfinder?"
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 24, 2008, 06:07:11 AM
i'd bet that's an electrolytic cap there EM probably output filtering.

also, let's not jump to too many conclusions about no active components and self-oscillation etc. not saying it's impossible, just that it hasn't been proven that the tpu works this way. take SM's mumbled "NO" response with a dash of salt re. the battery.

i too spotted the one mosfet there that eldarion did, by the finger. a 9V battery could easily be hidden inside the spool cylinder.

it looks like (can't be 100% sure can we?) this thing uses 1 or 2 mosfets, and a few caps. the choke could be part of an LC or filtering or both. can't do a heck of a lot with 2 mosfets, but an oscillator etc should be no problem.

if those inside vertical wires are only singles, how would they further the quad coil rmf idea i wonder?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 24, 2008, 06:20:30 AM
It's a spiral of wire,  they seem to be on top as well.  Makes me wonder.

take a look at this zoomed image, notice the spirals.

Speaking of the transistor on top by the fingers, it's tape, I looked at it in slow motion frame by frame, no transistor there, sorry.

EM

P.S.  You really need to see these frames zoomed in an in slow motion, then you can tell the 3D geometry better.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 24, 2008, 06:48:11 AM
Let me say this one more time,  there are no Mosfets, no transistors, no active components in the FTPU.

When the system "runs with gain" you don't need amplification, pulses or anything, it is SELF OSCILLATING if wired correctly for positive feedback.

EM

Absolutely correct. I don't thing there is anything more sophisticated than a capacitor in this entire device.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: eldarion on April 24, 2008, 07:00:28 AM
I see capacitors, so I agree with you there,  on the toroid, it's one of the wires and some tape I believe,  the other one I'm not sure, but there is a whole lot of tape connecting wires, and the spiral is just that, now there's another interesting feature inside, another spiral, I'll post a picture soon.

EM

P.S.  Ok here it is.  What's it for?  Tunning?  Delay coil?

OK, I'll concede the point, with the provision that there might be one active device, just to get the oscillations started.

That coil could be a battery, but upon close inspection with the video it is reminiscent of a standard EM delay line: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Electricdelayline.jpg

Hmmm....
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 24, 2008, 07:23:09 AM
Sorry, could not resist
http://www.geocities.com/lemagicien_2000/elecpage/maxflash/maxflash.html :) (connect your control coil instead of NE2 there)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 24, 2008, 08:11:00 AM
guys if there is no battery and no active devices in these things, then why did SM use tube oscillators in the early days of development?....why was SM always stressing the use of tubes?...why did SM say that MOSFETS will work, but you have to know what you're doing?...why did SM mention the huge development time of his controller and the circuit board full of parts and integrated circuits?...witnesses have seen batteries used in the device, at least to start it, why SM's reference to pure frequency?...why do some devices not even use the magnet, which SM said was not required anyway?...this quashes the "swipe of a magnet" idea doesn't it. if anything the magnets were used as a switch, either a mechanical or electrical one. he sure as heck doesn't attempt to swipe the magnet past his "receptor" to activate the FTPU...he just gently "places" it there. not much juice is going to be generated by those piddly weak RS magnets, placed at such a slow speed at such a distance from the toroid.

...it just doesn't add up, think about it.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: mrd10 on April 24, 2008, 08:14:24 AM
Sorry, could not resist
http://www.geocities.com/lemagicien_2000/elecpage/maxflash/maxflash.html :) (connect your control coil instead of NE2 there)

Aleks great link man, i'll source some of these and try it out, taking extra care i dont electricute myself

So has anyone still tried the renerator experiment yet? Can't wait myself to do abit of tpu work......

@Jack thanks for the responses.

Lets get cracking guys, we have some scope here, lets draw what we think is happeneing , then apply our knowledge in a build, I'll be starting off with a Tesla patent and see what i can do with that, even using those flash ccts into the tpu....lets move forward, if you want an incentive, watch an animated movie called the Jetsons, it's out of our failures we learn what not to do, or what doesn't work.....revisit that which we think maybe a failure, but realize hey we haven't tried that yet.......

Dom
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 24, 2008, 08:52:36 AM
Sorry, could not resist
http://www.geocities.com/lemagicien_2000/elecpage/maxflash/maxflash.html :) (connect your control coil instead of NE2 there)
Aleks great link man, i'll source some of these and try it out, taking extra care i dont electricute myself
I've mistaken there... Control coil should be connected instead of flash light. NE2 is used as a triggering threshold there (kind of spark gap).
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 24, 2008, 09:01:24 AM
     I see Spherics design.  SM is alive and well he just got back from vacation.
The white thing in the middle is pulsed every time.  The 3 control windings on the bottom ring are pulsed sequentially.   The top disc is your collector winding  with a current transformer wrapped around it to get the magnetic circulating current changed into voltage.  The bailing wire feeds the magnetic field of the Earth into the lower layer windings field of influence.  Gotta pulse that one too.  Spherics left that out.    I'm talking about the first TPU the one he shouldn't have shown      anyone. Pride cometh before the fall. 

     And the Walls come tumbling down.   Steven you ever figure out why it got hot?  I know why and I know how to fix it.  What I don't know is what kinda deal you got going with the rest of mankind that needs this tech fast.  If someone has you under a rock tell them to fuck off!  By the way the Chineese got 200 of these little aether spinners field testing right now.

 
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 24, 2008, 09:15:57 AM
guys if there is no battery and no active devices in these things, then why did SM use tube oscillators in the early days of development?....why was SM always stressing the use of tubes?...why did SM say that MOSFETS will work, but you have to know what you're doing?...why did SM mention the huge development time of his controller and the circuit board full of parts and integrated circuits?...witnesses have seen batteries used in the device, at least to start it, why SM's reference to pure frequency?...why do some devices not even use the magnet, which SM said was not required anyway?...this quashes the "swipe of a magnet" idea doesn't it. if anything the magnets were used as a switch, either a mechanical or electrical one. he sure as heck doesn't attempt to swipe the magnet past his "receptor" to activate the FTPU...he just gently "places" it there. not much juice is going to be generated by those piddly weak RS magnets, placed at such a slow speed at such a distance from the toroid.

...it just doesn't add up, think about it.

Scalability limits the use of and size of any active components and batteries. Any active components would have to be scalable down to the smallest device. I can't imagine that the smallest device has any PCB in it at all and if there's a battery it has to be a mercury button cell which isn't going to do much or last very long and again I don't see Steven unraveling all the electrical tape every time a battery change was required.

And I would discount anything SM or counterfeit SM's say as he,they often did not tell the truth in hopes of steering everyone in the wrong direction.  Not to be a broken record on SM's technical prowess but he often explains how things work after the fact and often uses such twisted logic and creative language that it has little probative value at all.

I'll bet that in the end when this device is replicated and properly documented that the schematic will fit on an A size print. And I am sure that everyone will be ecstatic when all the convoluted concocted language and spin used to describe the inner workings of this device are translated to long established mathematics, electronics and magnetics terminology. Bye bye to SM's "receptors" "kicks" "collector coils" and hopefully Bedini's "Radiant Energy"too!   Gasp.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 24, 2008, 09:25:01 AM
By the way the Chineese got 200 of these little aether spinners field testing right now.
Where you've got that from?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: miroslav on April 24, 2008, 09:56:39 AM
hi guys, i see two coils on back of tpu am i right :)
(http://)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dom on April 24, 2008, 10:54:11 AM
@Jack, I have some more questions, im puzzled, maybe you can answer them, then maybe not, see how we go.

The videos that were being done on SM and his devices, were they supposed to go on the net?

If it was supposed to goto the investors, then someone had leaked the copies of copies out, which explains the poor quality, it might not have been the second guy or the 3rd one, but somone along the line slipped them out, just wanted your thoughts on this.....

Because you said you wanted to wait, to make sure before sending yours out....so I assume that they weren't supposed to get on the net, hence this would support what youve been saying, that he would spin us in so many directions, that we wouldn't know where to begin.....

Now we have good videos from you, because you had kept pretty much some originals.
So how would it have worked, the guy taking the vid, was he allowed to keep it without SM looking at it and saying, no you can't show that,
see i'm thinking he wasn't prob allowed to zoom into the units, not the first two anyway, because then SM would say, no...no thats no good, do it again, but delete what youve done, because I dont see too much zooming going on in the first two Open Tpu's

Warm Rgds,

Dom
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dom on April 24, 2008, 11:27:39 AM
@Jack, the 2 small toroids in the larger unit, do you know what material that was?

Thanks

Dom
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: b0rg13 on April 24, 2008, 11:42:56 AM
     I see Spherics design.  SM is alive and well he just got back from vacation.
The white thing in the middle is pulsed every time.  The 3 control windings on the bottom ring are pulsed sequentially.   The top disc is your collector winding  with a current transformer wrapped around it to get the magnetic circulating current changed into voltage.  The bailing wire feeds the magnetic field of the Earth into the lower layer windings field of influence.  Gotta pulse that one too.  Spherics left that out.    I'm talking about the first TPU the one he shouldn't have shown      anyone. Pride cometh before the fall. 

     And the Walls come tumbling down.   Steven you ever figure out why it got hot?  I know why and I know how to fix it.  What I don't know is what kinda deal you got going with the rest of mankind that needs this tech fast.  If someone has you under a rock tell them to fuck off!  By the way the Chineese got 200 of these little aether spinners field testing right now.

 

do tell us more!!. and yeah steve tell them to fuk off,shessh.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 24, 2008, 12:10:30 PM
Scalability limits the use of and size of any active components and batteries.
I agree that scaling won't go well with MOSFETs or diodes - they all have some limit voltage they can cope with. However, device consisting of capacitor being charged by stepped up voltage and some kind of switch (mechanical or spark gap) are infinitely scalable. Then again, this is what Tesla used at his time.

But this is all not as relevant as knowing one thing: were control coil discharges (pulses) used in SM's TPU or not? Until somebody can answer this question for sure, there is no need to mention SM was not educated enough to use SS components again and again.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 24, 2008, 12:16:24 PM
Bye bye to SM's "receptors" "kicks" "collector coils" and hopefully Bedini's "Radiant Energy"too!
No, not RE. Without "fifth force" there is no way an overunity can be created. If you believe SM TPU is about Earth's energy from 7.3 Hz or 5000 Hz, keep on dreaming you can shrink several miles-long antenna into 1 feet toroid.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 24, 2008, 01:26:21 PM
     @Alecks

   The Earth is a big dynamo.  If you can't see it spend some time on Nasa's site.
It pumps neutrinos into the poles of the earth as fast as the Sun can get them here.  Ask someone from the fifth dimension to tell you where the Chineese have their aether spinners going.

  @ All

   There is no need for a highpowered high frequency osillator in SM'S devices.
Just a capacitor and an avalanche diode.  This one pulse output is then distributed to the torroid in the middle and the 3or4 windings on the bottom ring.
The reactance of the windings is adjusted just like in a single phase electric motor.  No need for 3 timed oscillators just one capacitor one avalanche diode.
The iron wire is also pulsed.  The copper will produce it's mag field first.  The steel right behind it.  This causes the magnetic field to spin and concentrate in the area of the  ouput winding or collector winding which is tapped for the output.

    The energy comes from the copper electrons magnetic resonance with the Earth's magnetic field.  Earth must be given time to restore the electrons to there natural state of resonance.  This way we get to kick some more neutrino ass next pulse.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 24, 2008, 01:54:39 PM
The Earth is a big dynamo.  If you can't see it spend some time on Nasa's site.
It pumps neutrinos into the poles of the earth as fast as the Sun can get them here.
So, now your theory deals with neutrions? Unfortunately, normal matter and EM waves can't interact with neutrinos that much (due to so called weak forces). Our human bodies are believed to be "bombarded" by 10^14 neutrinos each second, and that does not make any impact.

Well, you still believe that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. However, as I've read even Tesla himself believed that energy can be created and destroyed. Note that creation of energy does not necessarily means creation of matter. If you can accelerate a material object by invesing only a fraction of energy this means you've created energy (overunity). Similarly, if in your process energy vanishes (cold electricity) it is destruction of energy (this can be also overunity compared to invested energy).

Ask someone from the fifth dimension to tell you where the Chineese have their aether spinners going.
That's subjective then, somebody's dreams.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: innovation_station on April 24, 2008, 02:23:14 PM
guys if there is no battery and no active devices in these things, then why did SM use tube oscillators in the early days of development?....why was SM always stressing the use of tubes?...why did SM say that MOSFETS will work, but you have to know what you're doing?...why did SM mention the huge development time of his controller and the circuit board full of parts and integrated circuits?...witnesses have seen batteries used in the device, at least to start it, why SM's reference to pure frequency?...why do some devices not even use the magnet, which SM said was not required anyway?...this quashes the "swipe of a magnet" idea doesn't it. if anything the magnets were used as a switch, either a mechanical or electrical one. he sure as heck doesn't attempt to swipe the magnet past his "receptor" to activate the FTPU...he just gently "places" it there. not much juice is going to be generated by those piddly weak RS magnets, placed at such a slow speed at such a distance from the toroid.

...it just doesn't add up, think about it.

trust me you all do not want me to think about it

it all does add up .....

the thing is   there more than 1 style however they all achive the same goal

i know why it gets hot too ....   cuz it is not designed at its best....


right joe ;D   i beleave the tesla pattends joe posted solve the problem if not in your mind then opt for the liquid cooled model soon to be released  im sure

or we could go quantum lol  ;)  i think rodin waits for the comeing inventions .....   but maybe not   

been tossing this superconductive wire idea round my head lately

ist

hey doesnt plastic become conductive at high freq hi voltage?  just thinking outlould...
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 24, 2008, 02:59:10 PM
guys if there is no battery and no active devices in these things, then why did SM use tube oscillators in the early days of development?....why was SM always stressing the use of tubes?...why did SM say that MOSFETS will work, but you have to know what you're doing?...why did SM mention the huge development time of his controller and the circuit board full of parts and integrated circuits?...witnesses have seen batteries used in the device, at least to start it, why SM's reference to pure frequency?...why do some devices not even use the magnet, which SM said was not required anyway?...this quashes the "swipe of a magnet" idea doesn't it. if anything the magnets were used as a switch, either a mechanical or electrical one. he sure as heck doesn't attempt to swipe the magnet past his "receptor" to activate the FTPU...he just gently "places" it there. not much juice is going to be generated by those piddly weak RS magnets, placed at such a slow speed at such a distance from the toroid.

...it just doesn't add up, think about it.

I can see your dilema, but to me the videos come first in trustworthiness and the letters second.   In that first video he says "very very cheaply put together …there’s no mass circuitry involved with any of this stuff .... it's just the knowledge of the coils and how they interact with each other...." 

However, that's not to say I don't trust what was said in the letters, but if your read them carefully, the concepts presented range all over the place, to get us to think.  Obviously he did not disclose diagrams and there's some conflicting information just in the letters themselves,  (what came first "kicks"  or "transformers interactions"  or "3 tubes with pure frequencies" )  etc.. etc..  Also which TPU was he refering to? 

Also, notice I refered only to the FTPU.  In the OTPU I thought I saw a 9 V battery, maybe maybe not.  the LTPU sure has that box in the center that makes you wonder.  But all can be diversions of sorts,  since if you have something that runs with gain, and you understand it properly, there is not need for electronics of anykind, all you would need is perhaps a coil and capacitor to create a resonant tank, and a choke or transformer to feedback the oscillations and block the DC, a very simple arragement.

EM   
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on April 24, 2008, 03:10:36 PM
Let me say this one more time,  there are no Mosfets, no transistors, no active components in the FTPU.

When the system "runs with gain" you don't need amplification, pulses or anything, it is SELF OSCILLATING if wired correctly for positive feedback.

EM

SM quote:

Quote
So Lindsay, this guy definitely has the secret. I do not know if he will be able to duplicate power generation, but he does have the secret.
Do you think he knows it?
The only part he doesn't have any idea about is that by starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation.



EDIT:

The old method of creating this "oscillation" was "impulse excitation".
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 24, 2008, 03:19:18 PM
why does "starting the oscillation" have to mean "impulse excitation"?   why can't it mean flipping a switch to close the loop and have the oscillations build up?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 24, 2008, 03:28:18 PM
so consider this

scalabilty is no problem. Jack you know mosfets were available in the 80's when SM developed this tech. If those are fets in the ftpu, they are large package devices. high power is not required here, and the small blue unit obviously is a much later model and could have used surface mount mosfets...they are pretty small, and were available in the 90's. yes a small button battery or 2 may be all that is required to get the process going.

yes, the control boxes...a diversion? i really doubt that. if that's the case then you should be questioning everything you see on the ftpu (and all the others) as a possible diversion, including that spiral wrap thingy of yours, and the choke. see where this goes?

sm agreed with carl saying sequential pulsing of coils. that's not really possible without some electronics.

there are electronics in there, in some cases minimal, but there
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on April 24, 2008, 03:54:24 PM
why does "starting the oscillation" have to mean "impulse excitation"?   why can't it mean flipping a switch to close the loop and have the oscillations build up?

Where is the energy imbalance to start the reaction?  Before a spring can store energy, it must be compressed or expanded.  A bell does not ring on it's own.

If SM's waving of a magnet produces a "kick" directly - I'm impressed.  It's more believable that the waving of the magnet is a ruse, triggers a switch, or inductively creates an impulse that then creates the "kick" - which by running with gain, just goes round and round getting bigger and bigger.

EDIT: also, "oscillation" is not to be confused with an AC sine wave which is a pair of oscillating currents (Steinmetz and Dollard)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on April 24, 2008, 03:55:46 PM

sm agreed with carl saying sequential pulsing of coils. that's not really possible without some electronics.


what if the coils are connected "sequentially"?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 24, 2008, 04:00:55 PM
what if the coils are connected "sequentially"?

This won't create rotating magnetic field it seems if pulsed together. However, if coils are connected sequentially so that pulse in one coil results in delayed pulse in another coil, then maybe.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 24, 2008, 04:20:09 PM
@ Alecks

   Energy can be converted into mass and mass into energy.  Remember E=mc2.  Reread the definitions over and over again till you get it.   Also consider that the electron can shift it's
magnetic dipole moments in the tetrahertz frequency scale.  Also consider the electron has
MASS that can be converted to energy.  You don't need to fuse or split the entire atom to change it's mass into energy.  The electron has plenty of mass to convert.


@ All

      What I have stated above is about "burning" electrons instead of old dead trees or atomic neuclei.  Converting a portion of the mass of the electron into energy.  The radio wave or kick acts as a catalyst in this burn.  It is the spark not the wood.  Earth restores the mass of the electron alot faster than a tree grows.

   Tesla made a much more elegant machine than SM.  He took a highfrequency kick and had it travel across his pancake voltage multiplier coil.  On a 60hz analogy.  If he started out investing 1 amp at 60hz and 1 volt.  He would get out on the turns at the end of the spiral 1 amp at 60hz and 20,000 volts.   Nice transformer huh.

   SM should go visit the Tesla museum. 
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 24, 2008, 04:25:01 PM
@Grumpy


    You can pulse them all in parallel and change the reactance of the individual coils.  This is how a single phase motor creates it's shifting magnetic field the rotor tries to catch up with.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 24, 2008, 04:26:01 PM
Double    Broadband Sucks
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on April 24, 2008, 04:28:00 PM
Quote
Where is the energy imbalance to start the reaction?

Like in oscillators (with the right gain and positive feedback) what starts the oscillations?   It's the constant electrical noise, very small, but quickly can amplify and cause big signals. 

Or,  in a speaker/mic causing feedback and the ear pearcing ringing, what initiates that?   Even the smallest actual audio noise.

However, he places a magnet there,  that's quite something.   Also notice he does not turn ON any switch or anything, he just places a magnet there.  That's how the device starts it's operation.   Got theories?   I do.

EM

P.S.   Here's some practical advice.   Free you mind from all you heard from SM via Lindsay.  Imagine that it was something else, and then look at the videos as if you never saw them before, and just take it in for what it's worth.  It's easier than done, since our minds are so bent on "curvefitting" everyting we see into some theory or patern.  After all, storage space is limited and "compression" of info must take place in our minds. 
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: innovation_station on April 24, 2008, 04:56:11 PM
so consider this

scalabilty is no problem. Jack you know mosfets were available in the 80's when SM developed this tech. If those are fets in the ftpu, they are large package devices. high power is not required here, and the small blue unit obviously is a much later model and could have used surface mount mosfets...they are pretty small, and were available in the 90's. yes a small button battery or 2 may be all that is required to get the process going.

yes, the control boxes...a diversion? i really doubt that. if that's the case then you should be questioning everything you see on the ftpu (and all the others) as a possible diversion, including that spiral wrap thingy of yours, and the choke. see where this goes?

sm agreed with carl saying sequential pulsing of coils. that's not really possible without some electronics.

there are electronics in there, in some cases minimal, but there

im not so sure i beleave this quote i bolded   could you not do this with  spark gaps and diffrent value caps ?? and i guess if you were tesla you could wind your coils so as you dont need a diode

i do not claim to be correct in this thing  altho tests i have done and things i have seen lead me to beleave it is a simple device with out electronics  the basic unit anyways and if not sm's device the little mess i made a wile ago did some verry neat things

the advanced units i beleave they make rotating standing waves with electronics thus elemanitaning the heat problem

@sparks nice post  :)   

oh wait a min....    i have a coil  just like ....   where is it agin.....   oh yea the turbo coil

here is a link  it is a invertor or a convertor  ;)  http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2220.0.html

been here a wile .....

ist
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on April 24, 2008, 05:24:59 PM
Quote
Where is the energy imbalance to start the reaction?

Like in oscillators (with the right gain and positive feedback) what starts the oscillations?   It's the constant electrical noise, very small, but quickly can amplify and cause big signals. 

Or,  in a speaker/mic causing feedback and the ear pearcing ringing, what initiates that?   Even the smallest actual audio noise.

However, he places a magnet there,  that's quite something.   Also notice he does not turn ON any switch or anything, he just places a magnet there.  That's how the device starts it's operation.   Got theories?   I do.

EM

P.S.   Here's some practical advice.   Free you mind from all you heard from SM via Lindsay.  Imagine that it was something else, and then look at the videos as if you never saw them before, and just take it in for what it's worth.  It's easier than done, since our minds are so bent on "curvefitting" everyting we see into some theory or patern.  After all, storage space is limited and "compression" of info must take place in our minds. 

I don't recall SM ever stating or even implying that a magnet was "required" for operation.  If this was the case, then would external magnetic fields pose a problem.

Also, the TPU doesn't seem to interfere with the TV.  Is it even "electromagnetic" after all?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 24, 2008, 05:41:34 PM
@JD

You say there is no battery because you do not conceive seeing him taking off all that tape. Who said you have to take all the tape off. If I had a battery in the small taped TPUs it would be under the first tape I removed, not the last. No one was every allowed to take one apart besides the cut-away. On the smallest taped TPU, you would have to take a look to see if a part of that wrinkled tape covering is newer then the rest. That would explain battery change. All the other devices all have their places for a battery. But right now I am concentrating on the FPTU.

@EM

I have been using the new VirtualDubMod with all those filters. But I really miss being able to zoom in and then pan around the image. Then do some forward/backwards movement. It's too bad I cannot pan or there is no scroll bars.

As for no pulsing. This is DC and if there is no pulsing, there is no primary to secondary coupling. The toroid would not produce current on that 8 laced black wire and you would just produce heat.

Let me show you somethings.

Photo ftpu-maybe-reed1.jpg shows A and B point. The A point is a connection with some spaghetti tube right next to the toroid and the magnet area. There could be a reed in there easy. The B point direct to the top of the toroid are where there is a same spaghetti connector just hanging over the toroid. You cannot see it in the photo because you have to play around with the image to see it but it is there. A is on the right half, B is on the left half. Why would you have this there?

Photo ftpu-battery1.jpg points to the underside center hole that is very bright for a hole. When you look closely, you will see what looks like the positive of a B type 1.5 volt battery. You can also see there is a wire there that just stops on the surface of the battery. Have you ever soldered a wire to a battery. lol

The picture you posted showing the three white wires rising from the center is very good also. When you follow these wires, you will see they are connected to the primary in the way shown in my animation. But that is not important right now.

I asked about Zener diodes on a previous post that I referred you guys to the Tesla Project thread. In the Tesla Project thread, we have shown that you can energize a circuit, make a short, and use the flyback. Making two movements for the price of one. And all that's required is a short. But I do not think SM was that advanced to think of the flyback.

The FPTU in probably using two loops, one low level loop that is isolated from the higher voltage loop coming from the primary/secondary action. The isolation is taking place in the toroid by the black wire that is laced through the toroid holes. I will get into this aspect soon but need a few more pieces of the puzzle. Looks like

Meanwhile............

1) If there are any EE guys like @eldarion that can make a quick mock up of the FTPU rings using two iron wires and a secondary wire and wrap four primaries of maximum 12 turns per quad, then connect as per the animation  and do some alternating pulsing and measure the secondary output, this would help incredibly at this stage. You can then try other primary connecting schemes and polarities to finalize this section.

2) If there are any guys that have a virgin toroid core, make 4 holes on each half, lace a thin multi-strand wire through the holes, then wrap two coils on each half and do some testing, this again would help advance forward.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 24, 2008, 05:59:40 PM
  Wattsup.,

The magnet is used just like a speaker magnet is used as a reference.  Then you sense the change in the magnetic field so you know what the Earth's magnetic field is doing.  Obviously SM didn't know what his machine was doing at this stage in product development he just knew how it worked.
 
@ Inno

  Too old guy Stephan made it disappear.  Thanks which one.?  My electric motor that is run by an inverter spiked  4000 times a second is burning electrons in my modem to street dsl connection this morning.  Voltage signal is so low from the modem I've got communications problems.  I've got to shield the line to stop the fire. ;)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: buzz-ard on April 24, 2008, 06:25:38 PM
EMdevices and Jack D are speaking wise words here - believe half of what you see and none of what you hear. Only way we'll figure this out is by actually doing it.

The debate rages on about how much SS circuitry is involved, tubes as amps, batteries, etc. I'm with Jack on this point - there can't be much in there, and it certainly could not have been too sophisticated. But there has to be something in there to start it up, else the TPU would be the perpetual motion machine from hell that couldn't be stopped! Whatever SS components it utilizes, they simply do not matter at this point. All that matters is replicating the coil arrangement - we have function generators and the like that will suffice for bench work, then the circuits required for autonomous operation will be easy.

I plan to replicate the Rene-rator this weekend, time allowing (the downside of self-employment). I will document and share everything.

Build, guys, build! Share complete information about your builds on this forum. Folks that are doing similar builds should collaborate in the spirit we've seen in Otto, Ronotte, JasonO, Bruce, GK, & others. We're a thriving community here - whatever it took SM years to do, we can do in months if we keep the momentum going and openly share our successes and failures. We have to build or nothing will be learned!
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spider on April 24, 2008, 06:56:05 PM
Hello All,

It has finaly happend, I have also thrown together some stuff...I just want to have some hands on experience of how coils interact..As I am working on my house I have boxes of wire lying around.
I made some coils as my pic shows.
if I pulse the bleu coils with my powerdrill bat then I get some 10 volts in the cap of my braun coil.
If I pulse the braun coil, I only get some 0,2 volts in the black coil.
When I put a small magnet inside the coils, it really jumps, LOL. Shot of the table once, scared the cat. Nice result ;)
I know it is not much considering all the smart EEs here, but its my own humble start.

next thing I wanna do is take apart an old elektric motor and make some kind of pulsing device from the commutator and the brushes.

I know this is probably not the rigth topic I am posting this.......

It is so nice to see how involved everybody is in achieving the goal!!!!!!

greetings Rene
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 24, 2008, 07:00:46 PM
Oh well i was thinking the same thing two years ago...
Things change when it becomes the perpetual motion machine from hell.

M.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 24, 2008, 07:24:41 PM
  @ Marco

   These people have no idea about how much energy is involved with the tpu.  This isn't a sixth grade science project.  Building without  knowing what is going on is just not only stupid it is fucking dangerous. 
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Localjoe on April 24, 2008, 07:33:46 PM
@Sparks

Better us than the six grader tho..  In my mind you always have to work for something, if you dont shed some pain and sweat you didnt really work for it.  as well its much better if one of us gets the shit zapped outo of us or rad burns than some gradeschooler trying a project becase his family cant afford power anymore... This is a sad double eged sword but it has to be done. 
 
I can tell you this, my Girlfriends dad who owns a family dairy farm paid approx 2.00 a gallon for diesel last year to fillt here fuel tanks below ground for the year.  Small farmers dont make a whole lot so now take this, this year it will cost him over 5 dollars a gallon to fill the tanks for the year. That difference in gas was there profit  .... now tahts gone and the poor guy and his father and there uncles work all day just to keep the animals allive and milk them. But there pay checks have gotten significantly smaller. 250 - 300 dollars a week isnt that much when your use to about 600 a week.  When i see things like that happenign in life.. The cons of getting burned or shocked seem pretty  insignificant. 

PS.. when grandpa brought up the fact that he would buy horses and dig his old plows up if it came to it.. the issue kinda hit home with me
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: innovation_station on April 24, 2008, 07:36:25 PM
  @ Marco

   These people have no idea about how much energy is involved with the tpu.  This isn't a sixth grade science project.  Building without  knowing what is going on is just not only stupid it is fucking dangerous. 

yea...... i donot have  FINISHED WORKING DEVICE     why??!?!?!?!!   im still learning ....i have had a few big zaps in playing  THEY WERNT MUCH FUN  as well materials charged in the area including a gold ring on my finger  and the numbness went right up my arm and lasted loong enough 1 hour or so

i built many many coils but agin i only ran a few...  hand plused  with 12vdc 1000ma that was weird enough for me ....

keep it safe and simple  ;)



ist
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spider on April 24, 2008, 07:40:30 PM
Thanks for the advice, I'll keep that in mind.
I dont think that I will ever achieve a working tpu with my knowledge..I just want to know where people are talking about.

Greetings Rene.

PS, at least I am on the other side of the globe....
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 24, 2008, 07:52:29 PM
so consider this

scalabilty is no problem. Jack you know mosfets were available in the 80's when SM developed this tech. If those are fets in the ftpu, they are large package devices. high power is not required here, and the small blue unit obviously is a much later model and could have used surface mount mosfets...they are pretty small, and were available in the 90's. yes a small button battery or 2 may be all that is required to get the process going.

yes, the control boxes...a diversion? i really doubt that. if that's the case then you should be questioning everything you see on the ftpu (and all the others) as a possible diversion, including that spiral wrap thingy of yours, and the choke. see where this goes?

sm agreed with carl saying sequential pulsing of coils. that's not really possible without some electronics.

there are electronics in there, in some cases minimal, but there

The premise that SM developed this technology is flawed. He did not have anything to do with its inception. This exact design has been around for quite a while built by others and witnessed by third parties.

One more thing to consider in examining the time line here. Why did the TPU just all of a sudden surface in '96? Why the sudden availability of this earth shattering breakthrough? Why the rush to acquire funding? Why, when never before videos are shot?

Because this is when SM likely acquired the technology and saw dollar signs in his eyes. If the TPU development was a linear process like all product development,  of which I have considerable experience in, an opportunist like SM would have started campaigning for cash much earlier in the program when the technology first looked promising. This theory is supported by SM's desire to have someone go to Europe to find out more about the original inventor's works.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 24, 2008, 07:57:35 PM
@Local Joe

     If you are going to build an engine you need to have a throttle brakes and an ignition switch all built in and tested before you even try to crank her over. 

    We dont need a tpu at this point, we need a demonstration model of the principles underlying the tpu to raise planet awareness of the power supply.  I've got a crystal radio set been crackling away for two weeks driven by Earth energy.  No batteries nothing. Would it be more impressive if I blinked an led.  I'm going after Hartberlin's money so we can start a non-profit to get the word out. 

    Builders who don't understand what is going on here go to Radio Shack and put together an elementry am radio receiver.  Come back and tell us what makes it tick just for the KICK of it.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spider on April 24, 2008, 08:08:10 PM
Here in Holland we get 0,33 euro per kWh we sell back to the grid..Wish I had a 1kW puppy running here day and night :)

Greetings Rene.

@ Jack, question..Why didnt you yourself persuit the device?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 24, 2008, 08:10:28 PM
@JD

You say there is no battery because you do not conceive seeing him taking off all that tape. Who said you have to take all the tape off. If I had a battery in the small taped TPUs it would be under the first tape I removed, not the last. No one was every allowed to take one apart besides the cut-away. On the smallest taped TPU, you would have to take a look to see if a part of that wrinkled tape covering is newer then the rest. That would explain battery change. All the other devices all have their places for a battery. But right now I am concentrating on the FPTU.

@EM

I have been using the new VirtualDubMod with all those filters. But I really miss being able to zoom in and then pan around the image. Then do some forward/backwards movement. It's too bad I cannot pan or there is no scroll bars.

As for no pulsing. This is DC and if there is no pulsing, there is no primary to secondary coupling. The toroid would not produce current on that 8 laced black wire and you would just produce heat.

Let me show you somethings.

Photo ftpu-maybe-reed1.jpg shows A and B point. The A point is a connection with some spaghetti tube right next to the toroid and the magnet area. There could be a reed in there easy. The B point direct to the top of the toroid are where there is a same spaghetti connector just hanging over the toroid. You cannot see it in the photo because you have to play around with the image to see it but it is there. A is on the right half, B is on the left half. Why would you have this there?

Photo ftpu-battery1.jpg points to the underside center hole that is very bright for a hole. When you look closely, you will see what looks like the positive of a B type 1.5 volt battery. You can also see there is a wire there that just stops on the surface of the battery. Have you ever soldered a wire to a battery. lol

The picture you posted showing the three white wires rising from the center is very good also. When you follow these wires, you will see they are connected to the primary in the way shown in my animation. But that is not important right now.

I asked about Zener diodes on a previous post that I referred you guys to the Tesla Project thread. In the Tesla Project thread, we have shown that you can energize a circuit, make a short, and use the flyback. Making two movements for the price of one. And all that's required is a short. But I do not think SM was that advanced to think of the flyback.

The FPTU in probably using two loops, one low level loop that is isolated from the higher voltage loop coming from the primary/secondary action. The isolation is taking place in the toroid by the black wire that is laced through the toroid holes. I will get into this aspect soon but need a few more pieces of the puzzle. Looks like

Meanwhile............

1) If there are any EE guys like @eldarion that can make a quick mock up of the FTPU rings using two iron wires and a secondary wire and wrap four primaries of maximum 12 turns per quad, then connect as per the animation  and do some alternating pulsing and measure the secondary output, this would help incredibly at this stage. You can then try other primary connecting schemes and polarities to finalize this section.

2) If there are any guys that have a virgin toroid core, make 4 holes on each half, lace a thin multi-strand wire through the holes, then wrap two coils on each half and do some testing, this again would help advance forward.

It's possible of course and I am without any ideas on how one could get this thing started up without some form of excitation but knowing that the energy that this device has to tap to run once running is so potent that I am certain that it must be also available to jump start the device itself. It may be a harmonic of the Schumann cavity that is targeted and used as a primer to get humming.

I apologize to all that find my demeanor or approach to be close minded or quick to discount SM references. I just try to find the path of least resistance and having dealt with many, many inventors over the years I have developed a pretty good hi Q B.S. filter and its difficult sometimes to remain open minded. Sometimes I confuse an open mind with an open loop. Damn that was good. Will that fit on a bumper sticker? ;D
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on April 24, 2008, 08:16:17 PM
So, what is known of this original European device?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: innovation_station on April 24, 2008, 11:53:40 PM
@sparks

 i just assembled 2 crystal radioes this past weekend with my son  funny thing ....

well just got back from the city bought a few more things......

but the coolest things were the reed switches wich the lady at the shop said "you just put a magnet on it "  kinda pricey tho 7bucks each and picked up my first fets to play with irf840 grabed 12 of em too

and a tonne of other toys to play with....

ist
@ grumpy i bet magnets were involved...  maybe bar magnets?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 25, 2008, 01:10:23 AM
@Sparks

Better us than the six grader tho..  In my mind you always have to work for something, if you dont shed some pain and sweat you didnt really work for it.  as well its much better if one of us gets the shit zapped outo of us or rad burns than some gradeschooler trying a project becase his family cant afford power anymore... This is a sad double eged sword but it has to be done.
 
I can tell you this, my Girlfriends dad who owns a family dairy farm paid approx 2.00 a gallon for diesel last year to fillt here fuel tanks below ground for the year.  Small farmers dont make a whole lot so now take this, this year it will cost him over 5 dollars a gallon to fill the tanks for the year. That difference in gas was there profit  .... now tahts gone and the poor guy and his father and there uncles work all day just to keep the animals allive and milk them. But there pay checks have gotten significantly smaller. 250 - 300 dollars a week isnt that much when your use to about 600 a week.  When i see things like that happenign in life.. The cons of getting burned or shocked seem pretty  insignificant. 

PS.. when grandpa brought up the fact that he would buy horses and dig his old plows up if it came to it.. the issue kinda hit home with me

All farmers which have enough space and some wood lying around should use this
free type of energy generation:

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/methane_pain.html

http://www.biomeiler.at/

Free energy from the nature.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on April 25, 2008, 01:17:10 AM
@jdurban,

Were you a witness to the use of the ampprobe? I ask because I would like to determine which cardinal direction the probe was facing when he found a good reading. If you weren't perhaps you can look at that video and determine it from other knowledge?

Thanks
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 25, 2008, 02:06:26 AM
@jdurban,

Were you a witness to the use of the ampprobe? I ask because I would like to determine which cardinal direction the probe was facing when he found a good reading. If you weren't perhaps you can look at that video and determine it from other knowledge?

Thanks

Sorry I can't help you with that one.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 25, 2008, 02:16:30 AM
So, what is known of this original European device?

That remains a mystery. There is at least one other device right here in the U.S. however.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 25, 2008, 02:24:57 AM
@inno

     My son brought my ou device to me cause "your gonna love this dad".
You went to radio shack I imagine to share some time with your loved one.
Common denominator thats all. :)   Have fun with your new Aether sensors. Teaching children the way is job 1 and well rewarded.  Frustrating tiresome boring but just one ahha moment is worth it all.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Mannix on April 25, 2008, 03:54:13 AM
These new images are Great, but i wonder who owns that footage and if anybody was given permision by the owner to publish it.

The information that I have is that the owner has not given permission ...none the less they are good videos and of great interest and i hope that it inspires more people to actually do experiments.

EM is right in suggesting that you persue this as if no information recieved so far is of any use..this is after all, a process,as is the destination. I know it seems cunfusing.

The only thing that I ever asked of Steven was a way to be able to understand it,perhaps thats why we see 2 or four, when three was mentioned.

The best of luck "the harder I work the more luck I seem to get"

Lindsay

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 25, 2008, 04:21:42 AM
       Yes experiments Steven not sales.  We all make mistakes. 
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: eldarion on April 25, 2008, 05:54:38 AM
Never mind...saw wrong items in the picture...
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on April 25, 2008, 06:14:36 AM
So, what is known of this original European device?

That remains a mystery. There is at least one other device right here in the U.S. however.

Elaborate?


Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 25, 2008, 08:58:52 AM
These new images are Great, but i wonder who owns that footage and if anybody was given permision by the owner to publish it.

The information that I have is that the owner has not given permission ...none the less they are good videos and of great interest and i hope that it inspires more people to actually do experiments.

EM is right in suggesting that you persue this as if no information recieved so far is of any use..this is after all, a process,as is the destination. I know it seems cunfusing.

The only thing that I ever asked of Steven was a way to be able to understand it,perhaps thats why we see 2 or four, when three was mentioned.

The best of luck "the harder I work the more luck I seem to get"

Lindsay



Hi Lindsay,

If Steven ever makes contact again I have one more verification test question for you after all the prior ones I left with you. I was listening to Steven's phone messages he left on one of the reel to reel decks today after a decade and a series of rather sticky and gooey messages from "Michael" revealed that Steven liked cigars and Steven's favorite brand of Scotch. If your mystery man can answer the scotch brand question or any of the others I left with for you a month ago then you are talking to the real Steven.

All the best,

Jack
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 25, 2008, 09:17:59 AM
We don't need verification tests.

And by the way Jack,
You have given not one answer about the thing itself in the inteview nor on this board.
The only thing you did do is release this video and thank you for that.

But you are now just adding to the noise because you have absolutley no idea about what it does, how it does that ,and why it does that.

M.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: jdurban on April 25, 2008, 10:10:48 AM
We don't need verification tests.

And by the way Jack,
You have given not one answer about the thing itself in the inteview nor on this board.
The only thing you did do is release this video and thank you for that.

But you are now just adding to the noise because you have absolutley no idea about what it does, how it does that ,and why it does that.

M.

Oh lighten up Marco. I never said I could help you solve this great mystery. You obviously have not made any great strides on your own from the depths of your ignorance. At least learn to spell next time you have a hormonal moment genius. I am out of here.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 25, 2008, 10:22:46 AM
@ Jack

Bye bye.
Go to your mommy.
This great mystery has been solved long ago... it's just that it hasn't been solved for you.
You are still questioning the fact whether we are communicating with Steven or not...
Exuse me for my bad english it is not my primary language...
Isn't it a bit pathetic to use someone's weak point's ??
Yeah i guess so ,but that's just the way you are aren't you Jack?....

M.

 
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spider on April 25, 2008, 10:31:57 AM

If only the TPU were powered bij The Great Vortex of Male Ego, then we would have achieved over over overunity long time ago.........


Greetings Rene
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dom on April 25, 2008, 10:40:16 AM
@Marco, don't be so hard on him, why not I say, at least we will know if he is still alive and well.

Here's the end of my bedini multicoil/multitransistor project, now to keep batteries on a rotation and see if i can keep it going.
Move forward guys, start on tesla's patent 381,970 I think that is best chance, and also think of this, Tesla would have been feeding HV into that ring.
I reckon thats our first crack at it, then go from there

Move forward and keep moving forward, and never give up, just when you do, have a break, step away, even if its for aweek, and come back to it with fresh mind....
Patience will be a virtue here.....I learnt this many years ago.

Bedini Energizer Specs and Tips:-

-Cat 5 lan cable used:- 4 windings measuring 4.5ohms each
-70mm length spool (wire wound space), and 70mm diam
-1 coil spool used as trigger, any additional coils must be setup as slaves
-7 transistors used, 3 on one spool, and 4 on the slave spool.
100mA's draw on primary.
-Batteries being used 2 x brand new 7.2Ah batteries, notice I said new, this is important for testing as they charge up real quick.
-coil to magnet spacing must be as close as possible, mine are about 2mm gap.

Very important use c20 charge/discharge rating for conditioning the batteries, what this means is say your using a 12v, 7.2Amp SLA Battery You divide the Amps by 20, so in our example 7200mA's / 20 = 360mA's, this means you dont want to go over this when discharging the batt. In this case a 36ohm 10watt and above rating resistor should bring it to that draw, I'm just using the energizer unit, as it's within the discharge scale, which only draws 100mA's from the battery.
Oh another thing don't go lower than 12.4volts, before swapping, and you will need to do this many times, I was told about 20, and then you should see some interesting results, like batt will charge faster and last much longer, that's it.

I' ve just started this rotation, as i was doing it wrong before. I didn't understand about this c20 rating rule until some nice gentleman explained it to me.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: ashtweth_nihilisti on April 25, 2008, 12:45:40 PM
http://rapidshare.com/files/110242979/Steve_Marks_TPU.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/110246775/Steve_Marks_TPU.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/110256422/Steve_Marks_TPU.part3.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/110239944/Steve_Marks_TPU.part4.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/110236142/Steve_Marks_TPU.part5.rar
 
443MB total

In my premium account so wont expire, its re encoded

Ash
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: buzz-ard on April 25, 2008, 05:50:38 PM
@ Dom

Most excellent - thanks for sharing! I am very glad to see a new builder instead of just another blathering talker. Too many of those here already.

I'm interested in #381970 as well, and it's pretty easy to build. My first experimental unit was interesting, although it didn't really do anything. I'm looking forward to starting my next one. This weekend it's testing my TPU build #3 and crafting a replica of the Rene-rator.

Willkommen!

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: mikestocks2006 on April 25, 2008, 07:31:06 PM
Let me say this one more time,  there are no Mosfets, no transistors, no active components in the FTPU.

When the system "runs with gain" you don't need amplification, pulses or anything, it is SELF OSCILLATING if wired correctly for positive feedback.

EM

Absolutely correct. I don't thing there is anything more sophisticated than a capacitor in this entire device.

Yes, and for the shake of simplicity and ease of building, I tried the following KISS setup and it works!

First though, I had asked in a previous post if anyone knew whether depletion modes mosfets were available back in those days. No answers here, but jdurban had mentioned in his interview and on this board that, the parts were simple ones from RradioShack.

So I visited the local store and asked them. Only enhancement mode are available at the store and definitely no depletion mode back in the 90?s.

So back to simplicity in making a self oscillating system without any elaborate expensive circuitry, and it works!!!:

9 V alkaline battery

A reed switch from RadioShack Normally Open with a solenoid to activate the field and close the contacts) I took the reed out to examine, looks like a standard Hamlin one 500ma at 120V AC. MDSR-7  ? The activating solenoid is 12 VDC max at 11ma RadioShak part number 275-233 . The reed switch it self can operate 0.6ms rise, 0.2 ms release. as high as 5500Hz resonant frequency. What do you know! It falls within the 5-6Kh mentioned here for at least the first simpler tpu?s. AND is cheap and available at RadioShak
Only drawback is cycle life, few billion only so it would last maybe around 20 mins at that frequency. Does that sound familiar too in terms of time length?

A MAGNET! (an old ceramic one, either from Radioshack or Homedepot)
It is required to bias the reed, from NO to NC, so when current is applied the solenoid coil will nullify the magnet field effect and  the switch will flip open. (A self oscillating circuit).

Connections:
Battery pole one, to solenoid to reed to battery, all in series. The system buzzed and screeches nicely along.

Next added the following :

- Test resistors 1.1 K, 470, 47 as loads to see what happens on the output of a small toroid  used
- A small toroid from an old broken tape player.
No part number on it I could see, but dimensions are as follows:
Core (looks to be ferrite/ceramic) .5? od x .25 id x .20? height
Wire looks to be  copper enameled/magnet wire? 0.014 thick
12 turns on the left side, same number of turns on the right side

Next, all connections as above but added the toroid in series and measured the output on the toroid:

Open circuit output, overloads a digital voltmeter at 500 volts both DC and AC
1.1k load again overloads the meter at both AC and DC (500 max meter readout)
470 ohms load, it reads about 175-200 V both on AC and DC scale ( leads to confirm it is DC pulsed out). It is afterall DC pulsed in.
At 47 ohms it reads 8-9 volts again both on DC and AC scale.

Based on this crude setup and test, it appears that the voltage out is not linear to the resistor values and there must be at least some kind of spikes to overload the meter at 500V ( but it could be that the digital meter cannot cope well with high frequency readings and/or possible spikes?)

Maybe an analog meter is required or a scope for better observations?
If someone here can repeat this possibly with better instruments and get some results would be great.

Not sure what to make of the outputs, but one thing is confirmed:
To drive it at 5-6 KHz could be done very cheaply and easily and for that setup with a 9V Battery (or even smaller depending on magnet strength and position relative to the switch),  a Magnet, a common Reed Switch and few wires.

Thanks for all the posts folks. Great thread.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spider on April 25, 2008, 08:00:57 PM
@mike

Very interresting experiment!!


Greetings Rene
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: CodeWebs on April 25, 2008, 08:46:46 PM
That is a very nice experiment mike.

I started with that idea a few weeks ago when I was home and played with different ideas until I came up with an interesting experiment; I wish I was around my experiments so I could give more detail.  I had it setup as attached, where I would place a magnet near the first reed switch in the right position to start both reeds oscillating.  The transformer I used was a basic one you can buy at radio shack (12V CT 450mA Standard Chassis-Mount Transformer with Leads) I believe was it.  I wired it backwards to get an increase in voltage in this test.  I used a single 9v battery as the DC power source.  The solenoid is insulated solid garden wire, with copper wire wrapped around the circumference.  The main reason I used this iron wire configuration was I could not use any measuring equipment to test the voltage on the output because it was way too high.  My oscilloscope showed what looked like 50v square waves on the iron wire that increased in frequency dependent on the number of turns of wire I used.  While I had an ammeter attached to the iron wire it read .03 amps, but one interesting thing I noticed was if I placed a single lead of an inductor of any kind to point A the amps on the iron wire jumped up to over 1 amp and the voltage didn't seem to change.  I don't have any input measurements and am not claiming anything even close to overunity but it seems like this could go somewhere.  Again though, I had to stop experimenting because I had to come back to college to get ready for finals and everything is at my house far away.  Since this experiment I've come up with a few more ideas dealing with feedback and only using one reed switch but have it used for both sides of the transformer.  I'll be continuing this route of experiments in 2 weeks but am stuck till then.  What would be the reason for the amperage jumping up when a single lead of an inductor (or even the center tap of the transformer as the inductor) is placed at point A?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: starcruiser on April 25, 2008, 09:42:12 PM
you can throw a cap in there to slow the solenoid activation as well. lower frequency operation maybe a bit longer life.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dom on April 26, 2008, 12:00:32 AM
@MIke and Codewebs......wow  cooooollllllllll, going to try it......TPU here I come, then this would mean that SM writing to Lindsay is somewhat authentic, he did say has anyone tried a simple experiment to produce kicks, with jumper leeds, A reed would look like one wouldn't it...
he thought of using same sort of principle in a solid state ring, wow.......

Something I did awhile ago, at least 2 years ago, where i utilized two reed switches and a magnet glued on a disk, this was to time activation of two solenoids, which would drive magnet motor, one thing that really fascinated me about this setup, was the bright blue-purpleish flash from the reeds, check this replication of mine, man those flashes were really nice to look at, never seen colors like it....

check out the first unit, there are 4 vids,
http://kundelmotor.com/replications/indexold.html

@Buzz  thanks mate.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: innovation_station on April 26, 2008, 02:15:02 AM
nice to see some of you playing  ;D  been a lonely place round here...

how ever i did not hear any talk of the ramp up or the compounded engery  if there was a cap could you not capture the little kicks and dump them off with the source and refire agin and agin  what would happin?? 


yea i think we all know what will happin  ;)

ist
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: hartiberlin on April 26, 2008, 02:25:00 AM
Thank you for your support Jack & Sparks.

Jack, it would be of IMMENSE VALUE if you can remember which way the Compass Spun Up.  Was it clockwise or CCW?  That would tell everyone which way the Coils need to Pulse, CW or CCW, to operate properly.

SM spoke of his compass spinning up & coasting down when the TPU was shut off.  I watched all of the Low Res Films, but none of them showed a compass.

Can you remember anything on that?

Thank you Jack for all of your contributions.
.

Thanks first of all.


Wish I could tell you but that demo was done after I already parted company. I do believe the story though as I know in my heart that what I felt was rotary or angular transfer of energy from coil to coil. The effect was tangible and not some sense of psychic interlude with the unknown!

Hi Jack,
maybe you can write up a summary or compilation about the things you still
remember about it, when you saw the TPU and please include all the stories around it.

This way we don?t have to ask you again and again what you have seen, so
we just can study your writeup.

Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 26, 2008, 03:01:26 AM
Stefan,

not sure jack will be back or not after the treatment he just received.

@the perpetrator: was that really called for? maybe an apology is in order?

say goodbye to that second batch of videos i guess........nice goin'
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: eldarion on April 26, 2008, 03:21:47 AM
Jack, please do not leave because one member here spouted off his mouth.  I, for one, have found your bits of information in the SM story helpful, along with the high-quality videos. 

Also, to all, how do you know Jack is "wrong"?  I have seen exactly zero tests documented here on this thread...with the exception of Jason and myself.

If I find anything interesting myself, I am tempted to post it somewhere else and only let certain members here know of it--at least for a little while.

Don't drive away our most valuable resource--those who have actually been there and seen one of these TPUs in action!

Eldarion
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 26, 2008, 03:48:08 AM
@mikestocks

Good work. I'm glad to see some are trying reeds and you discovered the magnet at the right angles makes it oscillate. If you try and find some normally closed reeds also and use them side by side to the NO reed connecting one of the ends together. This will enable you to send the flyback to another coil and check the secondary output of that one. Actually a three way reed is preferable but two reeds having the same specs except for NO and NC will do this. I think if the TPU was using reeds, the 20 minute run time is logical. A 3-way reed would enable reusing the flyback instead of having it return only to create heat and burn out the reed.

@all

I just wound my first FTPU ring (see photo). It is easy to make. I used thinner bailing wire but instead of two turns, I used 5 turns to make up for the thinness.

I have a few empty toroid cores and will see if I can drill some holes from the top down to pass a collector wire through it then do some added experiments. Hope they don't crack because these cores are usually brittle.

From looking at the FTPU, I am getting the understanding that this device is not one looped system. It is two looped systems. A low level and a high level loop. As long as the first loop works the second loop will cycle. This type of separate function keeps currents isolated. The black wire in the toroid is isolated form the toroid/ring circuit. The reed switch isolates the drive mechanism and it is the perfect timing reflection of the actual point at which the toroid/ring combo becomes saturated. The field says I'm ready, the reed says go. We have to trust the field. But I will get more into this once I start doing some specific experiments.

Also, please understand that the ring may have to be looked at again. There seems to be something missing either in the rings or in the use of the rings. The rings are far to flimsy to rely on magnetic coupling to transfer that much energy. I feel it will be pointless to do stand alone tests with just one ring or only the two rings, or only the toroid. It is the combination that makes the whole. Such a ring would concentrate a directional field from the center of the ring going perpendicular, through the toroid, the toroid would transfer this magnetic energy into electrical energy to the black laced wire..

In water systems (my daily specialty), we can increase water pressure by adding another pump. If you have two pumps of 10 gpm, one that supplies 60 psi to another that develops 100 psi, by running them one into the other, you will get 160 psi. This is often used for two stage systems. This could be the same analogy. One ring field pushes the second at a combined much higher intensity through the toroid. If it is done right, the flyback from one ring could supply the energy to the second ring, thus driving both rings with one energy impulse.

I know this throws some ideas out into another direction but this is the nature of the beast. Let's stay open to all possibilities since we know the tpus are employing variations of the same theme. Maybe one last point guys. What we are doing here is not an exercise in flattering our egos. Ideas can be born one day and die the next when confronted with logic. I would be the first one to knock down an idea I had put forth, no hesitation, because the end result primes over everything else.

@JD

Don't fret about Marco will ya. He gets like that sometimes but he is actually a really nice guy. Smart too. I'm sure you've dealt with more then this. See you soon.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: eldarion on April 26, 2008, 04:02:12 AM
Hi Wattsup,

Nice ring you have there! ;)

I'd like to throw a couple of suggestions out, if you don't mind:
1. In the first picture here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4486.msg91862.html#msg91862 to the right on the top ring, just below the rightmost black electrical tape, it looks like there are two independent wires with yellow electrical tape on them.  I would hazard a guess that these two wires are the collector, and that they are not iron.  There may well be iron in the ring, just that it looks like there are two wires that are not.  (Ever tried to solder anything to iron? ;D)  So maybe you could put a couple of copper lamp cord wires alongside the iron in your ring?

2. It looks like SM used magnet wire to wrap the coils around the outside, not normal hookup wire...this may or may not make a difference, just thought I'd throw it out.

I have been testing other configurations, and have not yet had a chance to build or test anything like your configuation.

Eldarion
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: eldarion on April 26, 2008, 05:19:04 AM
OK, a couple more items:
1. Can anyone help me identify the component on the bottom of the OTPU that I found?  I have uploaded a nice clear segment of the video here (about 21Mb): http://www.falconir.com/otpu_circuit.zip

2. I did some cross-correlation on Dave Doleshaw's comments, spheric's posts, SM's words, and what I see in the TPUs.  Looks like Spheric may actually have given us some valid information!

In chronological order:
1. SM claims his unit operates by disabling the effects of magnetic flux.
2. Spheric writes in and claims that SM's technology is based on phased resonant bifilar coils, with the delay element being made of iron.
3. I see bifilar coils in the new clear videos from Jack Durban.
4. Dave Doleshaw writes and reveals that SM has said his technology is similar to something Tesla invented before the mid 1890s.

I did some searching around, and lo and behold, Tesla was granted his famous bifilar coil patent in 1894.  The patent application was filed in 1893, which means the coil was probably invented in 1892 or early 1893.  Not only that, but Tesla stated that the whole purpose of his coil was to disable what is now known as inductive reactance (I believe he called them "false currents" in the patent).

Now I do not think that Spheric's wiring diagram was correct--in fact, his whole language conveys a sense that he heard this information second-hand, and we are hearing the events as he understood them.  But I think there are grains of truth in there!  What if the bifilar coil was actually connected like the Tesla patent, and the delay element was inserted in the coil to coil connection?  (What I am talking about here will be readily apparent if you look at the patent)

Just seems too good to ignore...

BTW the patent number is 512340

Eldarion
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 26, 2008, 05:40:56 AM
    Spherics failed to state clearly,  just hinted, as to the construction of the coils aimed in the tetrahedryl  configuration.  I think bifilar wound wire with one wire made of copper and one wire made of steel would be a good thing to start with if you want to direct a magnetic field.  The kick gets split between the two wires.
The copper will produce it's magnetic field first and then the iron field behind it.
Should make that copper magnetic field go the way you want it to.  :)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: eldarion on April 26, 2008, 05:54:12 AM
Sparks, you may have something there.

Was there ever a speaker wire manufactured with one wire copper and the other wire a stainless steel or tin or aluminum or another silver metal?  I seem to recall that in some speaker wires, one conductor is copper and the other conductor is a silver metal.

If aluminum, we might be generating a "scalar wave" ala Lawrence Rayburn from so long ago--this had completely slipped my mind until just now!  He had claimed that a high-voltage pulsed copper coil wound at 90 degrees to an aluminum coil would not only create thrust (the gyroscopic or vibration effect) but some other interesting stuff as well.  I wonder if it could be this simple???  His post was very hard to find, even 4 years ago; it may not exist any more.  When I found it it was buried in someone's reply with the original post completely missing...hmmm....

Eldarion
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on April 26, 2008, 06:04:49 AM
@eldarion

Yes. Some speaker 'paired' wires had one lead tinned and the other not. I 'assumed' it was to aid in keeping track of polarity.

Some speaker wires were aluminum. That has been a long time ago. I remember replacing them with copper every time I ran into them. Both leads were aluminum.

I tried to download your file and it ran blank for about 2 seconds.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: eldarion on April 26, 2008, 06:08:25 AM
Hi BEP,

That's good to know.  I remember working with a speaker cable that was half silver, half copper.  I looked online and others confirm that the silver wire is usually aluminum.  I wonder if SM was using aluminum and copper speaker wire?

Rgarding my file, that's odd.  Try opening it in RegiStax--that way you can step through it frame by frame, forwards and backwards.  I just tried it now and it worked for me.  Maybe your player doesn't like the size of the AVI?

Let me know if RegiStax doesn't work and I will look into the problem.

Eldarion
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 26, 2008, 06:24:45 AM
   I think that was what SM/Spherics was blabbering about when he was talking about the NMR of iron.  Something like an inside out piece of coax.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on April 26, 2008, 06:41:04 AM
Ok. That clip forces me to eat my words on batteries in the handy box but nothing else. It reinforces my views on counter wound coils, pc board mounted tuned inductors, Lenz collectors East and West under the magnets and grid coils.

That bulbous black thing behind the supposed pc board with a single large white wire coming out?
Try the head of a flyback yoke  ;D

Can't wait to get a working copy of the better resolution!
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: eldarion on April 26, 2008, 07:56:31 AM
Ok. That clip forces me to eat my words on batteries in the handy box but nothing else. It reinforces my views on counter wound coils, pc board mounted tuned inductors, Lenz collectors East and West under the magnets and grid coils.

That bulbous black thing behind the supposed pc board with a single large white wire coming out?
Try the head of a flyback yoke  ;D

Can't wait to get a working copy of the better resolution!

Good!  I think at this point the only remaining way for the OTPU video to be faked would be batteries in the lamp bases, but that is extremely unlikely given the weight of the lamps and the fact that they did appear dimmer with the TPU power vs. standard line current.  So the TPU looks to be real!

Maybe if you draw up a diagram of the OTPU as you see it based on these principles I will have a better shot at actually replicating it.  I got most of what you said earlier, and wouldn't mind building two OTPU prototypes--one based on my aluminum idea, and the other based on your ideas. ;)  If that is a flyback there, then it lends credence to the pulsed HV into aluminum idea.

Funny thought--what if the toroidal coil on top of the FTPU is just a simple pulsed HV power supply?  The output terminals seem to be connected directly to the collector wire, not to the toroid.

If you want specific shots of the OTPU, or FTPU, just let me know and I can post snippets of the videos in much the same manner as I did now.  Just give me a time index in the lousy quality video, and I can extract and post up to about 20 seconds of high quality deinterlaced video.  (The deinterlacing process took hours on my Athlon 5200+, and chewed up about 75Gb of disk space! :o)

All,

Something important that I would like to mention one more time: these devices do not have to be toroidal as far as I can tell.  The fact that he cut a section out of one and it continued to work underscores this.  The toroidal construction just happens to be the most efficient way to pack the required coil setups into a working device, in my opinion.  If you want further justification for this assertion, just look at the OTPU!  According to standard electromagnetics, no significant EM coupling should be able to occur between the segments on that plastic or wooden frame.  Also look at the relatively sloppy construction of the coils on the frame--it looks like they were wound around the frame solely to anchor them to something.   I am guessing the secret lies in the material makeup of the coils, and any hidden winding(s) that may be laid down in parallel with the main bifilar coils.  And yes, they are definitely bifilar (I have a video frame clearly showing this).

Please, try to poke holes in my theories here before I spend lots of time and money testing them! :D

Eldarion

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dom on April 26, 2008, 08:15:18 AM
@Eldarion, I don't know about money, but time yes, thats why people like Tesla spent all their lives dedicated to the sport....

Just be prepared to spend some time, and to take respite and thought, you will need patience, and this will be as much as getting it to work.
1 % inspiration, 99% perspiration, don't burn yourself out.......take your time and plan your next move when things don't work out right.

Cheers,

Dom

 ;)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Feynman on April 26, 2008, 12:47:02 PM
Hey guys

@wattsup
nice coils!

@eldarion
great comments, your brain is like quad core heheh

okay, so here is my latest pulse control circuitry.  the oscillation frequencies are usb controlled from the computer  (1khz - 67Mhz).  This project, called Gemini, can pulse 2 square waves oscillators up to 500VDC/8amps with <10ns wavefront. 

(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6265/p1000687spk3.jpg)


Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on April 26, 2008, 02:32:56 PM
@eldarion

Go easy on the 'non-torus shape' idea. I'm sure MIT didn't stop at the wireless transfer experiment they published. Had they kept chaining the coils into a circle they probably would wind up with a giant TPU. If my ideas are correct it is essential.
I strongly suspect the initial startup of one of these things was tedious but once going he would have trouble stopping it.
Also, every TPU flavor looks like and expansion or mix of previous ideas. I wouldn't be surprised if SM is or was suffering from X-ray exposure problems. That would be expected if you messed with single and then tandem homebrew betatrons.(and we wondered why the NRC showed up?)
On the OTPU those bifilar (and the other set of much finer wire wrapped on the tubular forms) were likely the tunnel coils that directed leakage from one Lenz collector to the other.
Stick a flat aluminum disk in the middle of the OTPU and I'll bet no bearings could last.

I have a working schematic. With these new details it must be reviewed. It doesn't run with gain.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 26, 2008, 03:04:33 PM
 
        @eldarion

    You can make it any shape you want.  The people who had the neutrino weapons that killed people and left buildings standing made them like a solenoid (total assholes).
   
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spider on April 26, 2008, 06:27:32 PM
I want to post another idea to the review board.
Maybe somebody else came up with the idea already, I do not know that.

Yesterday I was reading some old topic on this forum and I came across the invention of the Hongarian guy. He states that if he puts 2 transmitters together with the same phase, the result is a wave with an amplutide 2 times as big. And because the energy of the wave is the square of the amplitude, 1 + 1 = 4.
This appears to be overunity. The math seems to prove it.


So I did some research and came across this site www.aa5tb.com/loop.html
where I found this picture:

(http://www.aa5tb.com/loop05.gif)
 

It looks kinda familiar to me..

These kinds of loop antenna?s can be used for frequencies from 3,5 upto 450 MHz. The writer also states that some get very hot.

Somewhere in the PDF ,  SM says there have to be 3 collectors, stacked on top of each other.

What if, the lower 2 collectors are transmitter antenna, working together to create a wave in phase, which is collected by the third, the receiver?

What if SM found a way to create a rotating magnetic field around these antenna, to focus the waves to have maximum energy effect in the receiver antenna.
In the origional idea, the transmitters had to be placed in a elliptical chamber, to reflect back to the focal point. Maybe a rotating magfield does the same? I have really no idea what the field looks like when its spinning and what is does to waves. Some say it?s a ball. As a tv repair man , SM would have been very familiar with understanding manipulating beams/waves with magnetic fields. Tv?s do the same thing.

Some things I considered:
- Original technology from Europe
- Mathematical proven overunity
- Technology in the field of SM, VHF, magfields, antenna,  etc.
- Circumference is important for tuning.
- Heat problem
- No unexplainable energie source.
- Scalable.
- Easy to start.
- Analogy to radio?


I could be totally wrong but I want to share it anyways.



Greetings Rene
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: scraven on April 26, 2008, 06:38:06 PM
not to mention if you replace the inner loop with a coil connected to two electrodes you have an "Apparatus for receiving and measuring presence of neutrino particles" patent DE19614575
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 26, 2008, 08:24:21 PM
@eldarion

I will look closer to the section you mentioned. The tapes were on the output wires but I will look again.

OTPU

On the OTPU, I can give you one place to start and that is the coils under the two magnets. The "receptors" for the magnets were not so tight to push the magnets in place so they are not holding in their position by any clipping type holder or action. Also at the base of the receptors there is no metal attraction since the magnets were placed very calmly into position and they did not jump towards the receptor base. What does this say. The coils under the magnets never change polarities otherwise the magnets would pop out of their receptors. So the coils under the magnets are not reversing polarity or generating enough magnetism to push the magnets out of their receptors.

By consequence, the action of the 4 collectors or primaries (either bifilar or not, we'll call them collectors for now) are not generating enough magnetism in the coils at a reverse polarity to push the magnet out of the receptors. This cancels many operational theories, so if you manage your theory around this one main point, it should save alot of time (and time is money). lol (Heard that before.)

Or, on the other hand, if the two coils are pulsed in a way to energize the collectors, they are not pulsing in alternating polarities. So either both are pulsing the same way, or one is pusling in the opposite manner and SM had to know exactly what side of the magnet goes to which receptor.

To continue on let me just get some item names set so we know what we are talking about. These are taken from the OPTU pdf I had posting in 2007.

Output Side - Side were the output wires exit the unit. 6 o'clock position
Coil #1 - Coil between plates on the right of the output side. 3 o'clock position
Coil #2 - Coil between plates on the left of the output side. 9 o'clock position
Coil #3 - Coil between plates opposite the output side. 12 o'clock position
Leg #1 - This is the circuit board.
Leg #2 - Below Coil #2
Leg #3 - Below Coil #3
Leg #4 - Below Coil #1
Collector #1 - Wrapped on lower plate between output side and Coil #2
Collector #2 - Wrapped on lower plate between Coil #2 and Coil #3
Collector #3 - Wrapped on lower plate between Coil #3 and Coil #1
Collector #4 - Wrapped on lower plate between Coil #1 and output side

OK now here's the fun part. Now look at the photo below of the OTPU taken from underneath. What do you see? Or better still, what do you not see? I know it's hard to see something so flagrantly out in the open but could not be noticed with the old video. Look where SM is holding the tpu with his fingers flat together. He is holding it right at the coil #1 position and the flat finger hold tells me there is no leg #4 under the coil #1. This is major because it just reduced the probabilities. lol

We also know that the leg #2 has a slide on cover designed obviously for easy access to that area of the TPU, otherwise he would have taped it in place like he did to leg#3. This was not possible to consider becasue leg #2 could have been identical to leg #4 in terms of usage, but we could not see the leg #4 well enough. Also we know there is a switch on coil #2. The question remains - what is coil #3 really like.

FTPU and LTPU

This is something very interesting to think about. I had previously proposed that the FTPU was maybe not made by SM but taken from someone else. If this was true, then this presents one major problem to explain and that is the fact that he is using the same toroid in his first unit as he is using two in his last unit the LTPU. If the FTPU came from someone else or from another country, what are the chances that he could have found the exact same toroids, mounted on the same mounting brackets to make the LTPU? Puzzling.

Now if we can determine where the hell this toroid came from, either from an existing piece of scavenged equiqment or from a heathkit parts kit, from a radio transmitter, etc., etc., if some of the guys here can concentrate some time on this one question and clearly identify the source, then we can get a better understanding of the origin of the Toroid initial design and even try to get our hands on this exact toroid. This would help tremendously in this replication effort.

@Spider

Good post. You will have to see where in the physical portions of the TPU such and idea could fit and what is required to drive this idea and if this will also physically fit.

@Feynman

Really nice circuit. 500VDC/8amps. That's enought to fry a few coils. You say it has a USB connection so you can regulate the pulse with your computer. Now that is really nice. That will save lots of time pulsing in many ways withot having to re-do your circuit each time you try new parameters.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on April 26, 2008, 10:01:11 PM
@wattsup,

I would only expect to see three legs. The reason is only two signals are require for rotation. Each polarized 90 degrees from each other.
Since I expect two rotations, each a different frequency and going opposite directions only three signals are required. Since best rotation is obtained with identical signals-signals of differing frequency must be harmonically related to work. I don't mean harmonics in the common radio sense. We are dealing with rotation so the harmonic will be slightly less than a multiple of the base frequency.

The 4th point would be where energy is extracted - the focal point so to speak.

As far as resolving the leg boot issue: At this point I would expect the leg to consist of: from top to bottom - magnet polarized N over S, vertiacl coil winding (common toroidal not solenoid like), magnet polarized N over S.

That coil would not generate a reverse magnetic field. It would join with the field it is already inside. I would think those magnets would be more difficult to remove when the TPU was under heavy load.
The stronger the load the stronger the field and better the containment of the Lenz rotation of the building electron (negative charge) cloud.
As far as why they were covered? Same as I would do.... so people couldn't tell how the thing worked.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 27, 2008, 12:01:25 AM
@eldarion

Go easy on the 'non-torus shape' idea. I'm sure MIT didn't stop at the wireless transfer experiment they published. Had they kept chaining the coils into a circle they probably would wind up with a giant TPU. If my ideas are correct it is essential.
I strongly suspect the initial startup of one of these things was tedious but once going he would have trouble stopping it.
Also, every TPU flavor looks like and expansion or mix of previous ideas. I wouldn't be surprised if SM is or was suffering from X-ray exposure problems. That would be expected if you messed with single and then tandem homebrew betatrons.(and we wondered why the NRC showed up?)
On the OTPU those bifilar (and the other set of much finer wire wrapped on the tubular forms) were likely the tunnel coils that directed leakage from one Lenz collector to the other.
Stick a flat aluminum disk in the middle of the OTPU and I'll bet no bearings could last.

I have a working schematic. With these new details it must be reviewed. It doesn't run with gain.

   @bep

   I think you're starting to see why SM's design is a piece of shit.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: OzOnE on April 27, 2008, 12:29:13 AM
This thread is starting to get interesting again! (goes in "phases" I guess :D ) Who ever said these new videos aren't useful? I think they offer many insights, and are at least a good way of trying to confirm whether a particular theory fits what we see in the real devices (assuming they are indeed real, which I personally think they are.) So, @Jack - please realize that the video(s) you've supplied ARE very useful here, and don't let a few negative comments sway you from your good work!

Just wanted to go back to a point about FTPU that I feel is of importance - The main thing I see in the video is that there are windings in the center of the device. I know it was mentioned that the white vertical lines might be wires, but I'm convinced they are something else.... In a section of the video when SM is flipping the FTPU back over, you can see that the white lines on the hub don't stay in the same position relative to the top and bottom parts of the spool itself. In other words, these lines are simply light reflections on the central windings. In VirtualDub, you can step between say frames 35986 and 36004, and see that as the whole FTPU is rotated slightly, the central white line still points towards the camera. The left-hand white line also seems to "disappear" at frame 36004 (when the light isn't at the correct angle to the camera.) There are a number of places in the video where you see a similar thing happen.

I think that the irregularity of the central hub part itself suggests that there is one big coil around the hub with fine windings (ie. the left and right sides of "coil" are not straight like an empty spool hub would be). Also, the colour of the "windings" does not match the colour of the central hub in the photo that slapper posted (which in most respects does look exactly like the spool SM used for the FTPU). The central coil also looks quite a bit wider than the central hub (assuming that the empty central hub is a similar size to the raised / moulded part on the top?)

Is this coil the main collector? This would match somewhat with spherics design where the "fields" from the outer control coils pass "through" the central collector coil. Attached is a zoomed view of the central part of the FTPU - although it's hard to confirm in the video, it does have a winding-like texture and colour to it? If the FTPU really did operate in a similar way to spherics design, is it possible that when one control coil quadrant is active, the opposite control coil on the opposite side of the spool would also activate (creating a diagonal "field" through the central coil?)

I too have been scouring the Web trying to find an inductor similar to the one on the FTPU / LTPU. The fact that the pair of wires from each side of the inductor are different sizes (/materials?) suggest a saturable inductor as opposed to a line filter / choke. They don't even look quite like loudspeaker crossover coils? If anyone has any idea what these inductors really are, please let us know!

OzOnE

P.S. Also attached is a slightly enhanced view of the underside of the OTPU that wattsup posted earlier. (when I say "slightly enhanced", I mean "no idea what I'm doing - I've probably made it worse" ;) )
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on April 27, 2008, 01:02:00 AM
@OzOne

I can't say exactly how the spool is constructed but keep in-mind these spools also had a flavor where the outside ends were plastic and the inner drum was made of rolled, thin metal. On  those you could usually see the metal tabs showing as bent over the plastic. I'm sure there were also some that didn't show.
From what I've seen so far I'll have to agree with Wattsup's interpretation with the vertical wires...mainly because it fits how I think that one works. Who knows what next week will bring  ;)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: cell1 on April 27, 2008, 01:10:07 AM
Hi,
I found this pdf file.
Can anybody translate the essentials?

http://rapidshare.com/files/110662960/Steven_Marks_Tpu_Nachbau__Freie_Energie__Perpetuum_Mobili__Nikola_Tesla__Erdbatterie_.pdf.html
or
http://rapidshare.com/files/110662960/Steven_Marks_Tpu_Nachbau__Freie_Energie__Perpetuum_Mobili__Nikola_Tesla__Erdbatterie_.pdf.html?killcode=11507068132823965738
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 27, 2008, 01:20:31 AM
Science

  
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: MeggerMan on April 27, 2008, 01:54:58 AM
@Sparks,
Neutrino bomb - I think you mean a neutron bomb, neutrinos pass through everything and I think they are harmless at least at low levels.

AM radios, thats old hat, I built one when I was about 11 - big deal.
We have to explore the videos as there are several people that can confirm that they worked and therefore it gives us a set of parameters to work within for the most basic model.

@All
Going back to Spherics idea of the tetrahedron, I think it needs to be inverted so the vortex cone is facing into the upper atmosphere.
As I understand it, it also implies that top coil is pinching the vortex and forcing the twisting field through and around the collector coil.

Regards
Rob

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 27, 2008, 02:04:15 AM
    @meggarman

         When you built your am radio did you ever understand where the power came from that came in on the antennae that you resonate..  I didn't say anything about a neutrino bomb.  What do you think the magnetic field inside the tpu is spinning up?  Do you have a clue as to what magnetic flux is? 

     
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on April 27, 2008, 02:58:16 AM
@sparks,

I appreciate your nudge to what you may think is right. Built my first radio in early grade school. Wiped out all radio/TV signals within miles at 12. I even had the enjoyment of destroying electronic ignition systems on running cars within a couple of blocks back in the 80's.
No, fields don't rotate and magnetic flux won't either.
I think you'll find the so-called tetrahedral method will actually build a spherical field (no pun intended).
I'm not after how to make power - I'm after how to control it because loading things like this just makes it stronger.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 27, 2008, 03:32:16 AM
@bep


         Innovation calls the phenomenon of antennae gain from the field light chasing. You can make neutrinos spin they are the stuff that makes things heavy.
Anit-energy particles?  Whatever they are we need em or there would be no mass.  We don't need to spin them around in some mess wrapped up with black tape and say oh my this gets hot.  Tesla's pancake coils will do just fine.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: innovation_station on April 27, 2008, 03:40:54 AM
@bep


         Innovation calls the phenomenon of antennae gain from the field light chasing. You can make neutrinos spin they are the stuff that makes things heavy.
Anit-energy particles?  Whatever they are we need em or there would be no mass.  We don't need to spin them around in some mess wrapped up with black tape and say oh my this gets hot.  Tesla's pancake coils will do just fine.

some where i herd tesla states all coils in his pattends should be considered pancake .....   

i herd this second hand and did not find his exact quote where tesla states this

ist

so why does the crystal radio work...??  cuz  ORBIT ENGERY open loop ant. ;)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 27, 2008, 04:01:41 AM
   Here is another analogy.  You got a crowd of people standing around totally bored just about ready to go to sleep.  Then you let off a firecracker.  They all jump to see what the hell is going on.  They all quiet down again and BANG off goes another firecracker.  Which had more power?  The firecracker or the crowd?  Which did more work?  The firecracker or the crowd.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dom on April 27, 2008, 04:26:19 AM
hello guys, well as I was dreaming and thinking what mike and cobwebs were upto with just a simple experiment utilizing reed, magnet and coil, to create a self running oscillator, it occurred to me with the FTPU, the smaller toroid in the centre is the coil, this is what im going to try, by placing a reed inside that toroid and then place magnet near it, this may have the required effect of nullifying the magnets magnetic field influence on the reed, and releasing the reed to open state, in most of his units with that smaller toroid, I can see how it can be done, notice that theres always two wires coming out of it, on either side, im thinking that this is the reed switch, my experiment will focus on this........

Dom
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: zapnic on April 27, 2008, 07:19:43 AM
@bep


         Innovation calls the phenomenon of antennae gain from the field light chasing. You can make neutrinos spin they are the stuff that makes things heavy.
Anit-energy particles?  Whatever they are we need em or there would be no mass.  We don't need to spin them around in some mess wrapped up with black tape and say oh my this gets hot.  Tesla's pancake coils will do just fine.

some where i herd tesla states all coils in his pattends should be considered pancake .....   

i herd this second hand and did not find his exact quote where tesla states this

ist

so why does the crystal radio work...??  cuz  ORBIT ENGERY open loop ant. ;)

he he crysral radio
funny i was reading stuff about 'Energy-sucking' Radio Antennas,
http://amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html

so you need 2-3 freq so you need 2-3 Crystal radio's
energy what comes out  send them back to antenna
antenna is like toroid shape thing
and put magnet's in like MAc has done

he he this wild theory of my head
maybe wrong
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: innovation_station on April 27, 2008, 07:35:18 AM
hey what would be the result if i plused my mot with low voltage and high amparge???  would it return high voltage high amparage? cuz the way it is it uses no amparge and such a tiny amount of voltage

ist
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: atlantex on April 27, 2008, 09:29:23 AM
Hi cell1,

Quote
http://rapidshare.com/files/110662960/Steven_Marks_Tpu_Nachbau__Freie_Energie__Perpetuum_Mobili__Nikola_Tesla__Erdbatterie_.pdf.html
or
http://rapidshare.com/files/110662960/Steven_Marks_Tpu_Nachbau__Freie_Energie__Perpetuum_Mobili__Nikola_Tesla__Erdbatterie_.pdf.html?killcode=11507068132823965738

the files are deleted, please reupload.


atlantex
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on April 27, 2008, 11:16:54 AM
hey what would be the result if i plused my mot with low voltage and high amparge???  would it return high voltage high amparage? cuz the way it is it uses no amparge and such a tiny amount of voltage

ist
Measure pulse energy in Joules. Amperage/voltage is a secondary thing, they should be interchangable in the case of pulsing.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on April 27, 2008, 12:27:30 PM
hi
ok thanks   to all  you have see my small magnets what can make

athere thing  i like to say my input  frek  is lo  <<50hz  >>but  in the exit coil a have  200 hz    how  i to explane  that is not the hhhh frekfency   i thing is like   spinin in way rotation elktromagnet fild  not hz   hmmm <<,i thing is  like  <<rmp  rotation elktromagnet fild whit 200 turns per second>>
NOW I WHILL MADE BIGER DIVICES  AS LIKE THIS  BUT  JUST LITLE DIFERENT   
THE  input  of my 50hz in to my coil   produced  200 spin  pere second 
now  i whill made   like this i put again  50 hz in   and  i whill  have 6000  spin  per second and   thebn i whil  have this
<<< IS  BEANG THIS   SMALL ELKTROIMAGNET   WHILL SPIN 6000 TIME PER SECOND  IMAGEN THIS >>>>>
I LIKE TO SAY IS NOT  IMPORTANT   TO PUSH IN  BIG FREKFENCY THERE  LIKE  RADIO FREK. OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT  ONLY IS NEED  JUST LITLE LOW FREK.. AND TO CREATED    MUCH BIGER  <SPININ  LIKE    HZ  BUT IS NOT FREKFENCY  IS LIKE   RMP MOVING  OR SPIN >>
MY DIVICE  IS  ABLE TO PRODUCED   LIKE THIS    IN 50 HZ   = 100000  OR MAYBE  MORE  SPINING ROTATION FILD IN  JUST  IN  ONE  DIRECTION  JUST OF  HALF OF ONE SECOND

EXPLANE   IF YOU HAVE LITLE PERMANENT MAGNET  AND  SOME  COIL   AND YOU MOVE THIS MAGNET  100000 TIME   JUST HALF OF THE ONE  SECOND   IN THE ONE DIRECTION

MY FIRST DIVICE  IS  MOVE NOW ONLY 200 TIMES  JUST IN HALF OF THE ONE SECOND  IN THE ONLY ONE SEC. MY ENRGY  IS    1:12 TIME  BIGER THEN IN    ONLY WHIT 200

YOU MY ASK YOUR SELF IS NOT POSIBLE   THRER IS  THE FERYTH  TOROID  THE  FERYTH TOROID  NOT HAVE   THIS   PERMABILYTY  AND  THAT FAST  HZ   BUT  I SAID  THAT IS NOT  FREKFENCY   

LET SAY YOU PUT   ONE  HZ IN   WHIT THIS  YOU MY  PRODUCED   1   OR  100000000 SPIN PER SECOND IS NOT FREK  I DONT KNOW HOW TO EXPLANE  BUT IS LIKE THIS
I WHILL SAY MY DIVECE IS NOT  SIMPLE TRANSFORMATOR  IS    HALF TRANSFORMATOR  AND HALF ATHERE THING 
SOON  I WHILL MAKE  BIGER DIVICE   AND I HOPE  TO  MAKE  BETER VIDEO TO SEE   THANKS
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 27, 2008, 01:26:07 PM
@ Chef

     I am not saying that SM's design didn't work.  It is just poorly designed and replication of a poorly designed machine is not going to make a better machine.
  Take a look at SM's fingers and all the radiation burns.  You don't need to have a rotating aether effect to get free energy.   
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on April 27, 2008, 02:26:20 PM
Nonsense Prove it  !
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on April 27, 2008, 07:05:31 PM
Sparks,

I see, that you still do not see.    Still the same ol' stuff.

Chef is very wise person - very knowledgable.  You don't see that either.

As for the spinning aether, it may not be required as you state but I'm sure it would help.   Of course no one wlll ever make anything by sitting at the keyboard - that I know from experience.

G


P.S. I'm starting top agree with Marco - this IS becoming the joke of the century.


@ Chef

     I am not saying that SM's design didn't work.  It is just poorly designed and replication of a poorly designed machine is not going to make a better machine.
  Take a look at SM's fingers and all the radiation burns.  You don't need to have a rotating aether effect to get free energy.   

As i see you already have many free "energy" to post every day new theorys, and talking lot of nonsense here.



Nonsense Prove it  !
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 27, 2008, 07:26:58 PM
@OzOnE

Good observations and questionings. Here is my take on the white wires going vertical up the drum of the spool.

If there was a winding on the drum, and if the white vertical lines were from the light reflecting on the drum, then that white line should have shown the winding also, but it is not. Also, if the center white wire was a reflection, why would there be a shadow on the right of the front center wire. Also, on the front center white wire you can see shadows of the output wires (from the right) and the shadows curve on the wire showing the wire is round. Also, when you look at where the wire rises through the spool ends, it goes through the end at the same point it touches from the inner side. All these are consistent with wires, and not reflections.

Now all this does not mean there is no winding on the drum. That would have been wound before anything else and those white wires could be seen on top of the winding. But at this stage I don't know. Also realize that the inside of the spool drum could be used for other components as well as to harbor many connection points. I have already seen at the underside hole what seems to be one end of a C type battery (I think I said B type on a previous post).

Actually, my next exercise will be to follow the wires as well as can be done and make an overall wiring diagram. It just gets complicated when you have two levels with two sides each plus the toroid, etc. Kind of  like playing 3-d chess with a rotating chess board. Spock, where are you................................lol.

@sparks

If you could just keep your theories to yourself for one more week and use that week to help us with the observations, it would be greatly appreciated. You may realize that bringing in concrete, helps build the foundation, and can also be fun and rewarding. It's your choice man. Or, if you absolutely cannot hold back and have to ditch it out, make sure it is relevant to a specific part of the device. Say "Regarding part xxx  of the xTPU, here is what I think.". By the way, we don't have to prove anything when it is up to the proponent of an idea to spell it out clearly.

@All

FTPU and Toroid Dimensions

OK I did some dimensional measurements using the Toroid left terminal on the toroid bracket as the base and considered it to be a 1/4" terminal. Plus consider SM lifted the FTPU with one hand and all finders extended around it. Try it yourself over a ruler. It will depend on actual finger length but you will get my point.

FTPU Spool Diameter: 4.5" (Not the diameter with the outer rings installed.)
FTPU Spool Height: 1" or 1.25"

FTPU Toroid Outer Diameter: 2.0"
FTPU Toroid Inner Diameter: 1.0"
FTPU Toroid Height: 0.375" or 3/8"

If anyone has any corrections, please do.

FTPU RINGS

We will have to look at this again as I think there is something else happening there. Needs more observation.

ADDED:
@Grumpy

There is nothing wrong with trying to get as many facts on the table before doing a build. Such quick action has already cost alot of time on so many angles. I would rather spend two more weeks studying then two more months running after nothing.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: cell1 on April 27, 2008, 07:50:51 PM
ATLANTEX, you find the file here.

http://www.mediafire.com/?1ptldlw1bfl

Steven Marks Tpu Nachbau, Freie Energie, Perpetuum Mobili, Nikola Tesla (Erdbatterie).pdf
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on April 27, 2008, 08:13:26 PM
FTPU Spool Diameter: 4.5" (Not the diameter with the outer rings installed.)
FTPU Spool Height: 1" or 1.25"

The above and the spool height of 1.25" match the 'all plastic' spools of magnet wire at my place of work. The wire is used there for small motor rewinding. A 'C' battery wouldn't fit in the center hole without the hole being drilled out considerably. The only battery I can think of that would fit, length and diameter would be an 'N' style as used on dog collars and remote controls. There are different types but are generally either 1.5 or 12 volt. Different types of capacitors would fit, as well.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Feynman on April 27, 2008, 08:17:02 PM
@wattsup

nice job on the measurements... anyone got ideas on the wire type , awg/swg?

 
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: HopeForHumanity on April 27, 2008, 09:48:31 PM
I don't think there are any rules in this thread that forbid anyone from posting their hypothesis... Or is it the dynamics of the mob that makes the rules? I never thought threads worked that way. If you want to stop someone, then the easiest way is to create your own thread with your rules in mind... ::)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Peterae on April 27, 2008, 10:04:53 PM
@ eldarion
What are you using to process the video to create those frames you posted, they look a lot clearer than i can get.

Cheers
Peter
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: slapper on April 27, 2008, 11:11:07 PM
FTPU Spool Diameter: 4.5" (Not the diameter with the outer rings installed.)

I'm thinking what I've posted for spool measurements are pretty much exact:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4486.msg91584.html#msg91584 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4486.msg91584.html#msg91584)

If you look at the video when SM has the unit upside down you can see the holes and the square. The squares are notched out into the barrel just as I've got as well. The whole thing is plastic including the barrel but it seems that the manufacturer uses one die for the flange in that they glue in a tube for the barrel height. My picture happens to show a white plastic tube for the barrel.

The toroid half covers one of the holes in the flange. That hole is 1-1/4 inches from the center of the flange and is 3/8 inch in diameter. So I'm figuring the toroid is about 2-1/2 inches in diameter plus or minus 0.1 inches.

I'm very interested in this because I think it could come in handy for a round of tests I've started. I'm going with what EMdevices is presenting in his new thread: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4565.0;topicseen (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4565.0;topicseen) and mix in some of what Giantkiller has recently offered: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3354.msg92475.html#msg92475 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3354.msg92475.html#msg92475)

I think I've see these in higher current switching power supplies for AC line pi filtering. I'm interested to know if anyone can offer what these are as well.

Take care.

nap

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: MeggerMan on April 27, 2008, 11:40:44 PM
@Sparks or is it Freddy Mercury?
    @meggarman

         When you built your am radio did you ever understand where the power came from that came in on the antennae that you resonate..  I didn't say anything about a neutrino bomb.  What do you think the magnetic field inside the tpu is spinning up?  Do you have a clue as to what magnetic flux is?     
Answer:
          @eldarion
    You can make it any shape you want.  The people who had the neutrino weapons that killed people and left buildings standing made them like a solenoid (total assholes).   
Like I said, I think you mean *Neutron* not neutrino......duhhh
You cannot remember half the rubbish that you have posted.

I have yet to see you actually perform an experiment. So when are you going to to take the plunge and make something instead of filling this thread with worthless comments?

As to magnetic flux "average magnitude of a magnetic field".
We cannot see it, it's a force, but we can measure its effects on other things.
Also I work for a company that makes massive 200 tonne 3 phase transformers that are all about magnetic fields, eddy currents, core saturation, lamination arcing etc. I am involved in the programs that make the plates for these transformers, so I have a good understanding of the mechanics of it all.

Regards
Rob

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: HopeForHumanity on April 28, 2008, 12:51:03 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: scraven on April 28, 2008, 06:48:12 AM
geez meggerman - get up to date with your fringe theoretical physics!
In Vortex Field Theory (which updates maxwells equations to include longitudinal waves) A Neutrino - which constantly alters its sign (hence seemingly having no mass - which allows it to pass through matter), can be caught using open field lines or scalar wave receivers tuned to the correct resonance.

see: Meyl - Scalar Waves (First Tesla Physics Textbook For Engineers) (2003)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Mannix on April 28, 2008, 06:56:47 AM
" Holy smoke Batman...    Its a bidirectional,quadranture, double helix"

"proceed to radio shack for spares Robin"
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Feynman on April 28, 2008, 07:10:02 AM
I don't see any double helix in that picture
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Mannix on April 28, 2008, 07:30:01 AM
it figures
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on April 28, 2008, 08:20:18 AM

P.S. I'm starting top agree with Marco - this IS becoming the joke of the century.


 ;D

@ Mannix

Whats with the image?

M.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: otto on April 28, 2008, 08:32:26 AM
Hello all,

from the 3 stack.jpg I learned to look much deeper into the picutres posted by Mannix.

Otto
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Mannix on April 28, 2008, 09:10:08 AM
The FTPU ....of course!


Can any body see the ending of 4 spirals...in 2 directions...top and bottom?

Not including the control wires..I cant believe that nobody saw it yet..and this is not from Steven.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: otto on April 28, 2008, 09:18:09 AM
Hello all,

@Mannix

I see 1 turn of a white wire.
I see the ends of the turns at 90?
I see if I add numbers to the colours of the wires ......

Otto
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dom on April 28, 2008, 09:59:48 AM
you lost me
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: otto on April 28, 2008, 12:31:18 PM
Hello all,

I had to earn my money so Im back.

I see 4 1/2 turns of the blue wire!? I suppose the other wires are the same lenght of 4 1/2 turns.

Mannix said  - not including the CONTROL wires!!

This means we are looking at the........

Otto
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on April 28, 2008, 12:40:54 PM
@Mannix

I see your helices, wire ends at the quads (inside and outside) and the reverse handedness between the two layers. I also see 4 conductors per layer and the white wire only on the outer edge.
If your connect the innner ends between the top and bottom (left and right on the image) you have current flowing opposite directions but creating the same magnetic polarity in each layer. (like my EMP coil 8-)


Did I earn a cookie?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: dani1 on April 28, 2008, 01:43:35 PM
the white ones are the power collectors !?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on April 28, 2008, 01:56:34 PM
The white wires appear to be just a common point for the windings.
I expect between the two layers the magnetic fields will be the same polarity but the net electric field will be near zero.

Nature abhors a vacuum.

Now do I get a cookie?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 28, 2008, 02:20:47 PM
Glad to see some are concentrating on the rings and eventually a consensus can occur.

That's why I said we have to look again at the rings. In a previous post, I was indicating that there were two wires in the ring each cut as a dead end. But there is no dead end on closer look.

On the top ring, what is obvious is at least 3 turns of a continuous loop. The 4 or 4 1/2 would have to be firmed up, but there is at least 3 turns of a single wire per ring. Something like a mobius.

I have traced the wires from the top loop going into a connector and you can see the bottom loop also goes to the same connector. Otto and Roberto, does this "ring a bell' .lol
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: mikestocks2006 on April 29, 2008, 04:34:05 AM
@MIke and Codewebs......wow  cooooollllllllll, going to try it

CodeWebs, Dom, good to see interest in this simple self oscillator experiment.
Here is an exact layout of it.
 
Should anyone replicates it, it would be great to confirm the high output voltage at points C and D without any load.
As I tried to measured, it overloaded the 500V max readout on the digital meter at 1KOhm and also overloaded without load.

Thanks
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 29, 2008, 05:03:36 AM
Mikestocks2006,

that's a nice little "passive" bemf pusler, but of what relevance is it to the TPU?

i think this has been "discovered" dozens of times, it's not ou sorry to say.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: mikestocks2006 on April 29, 2008, 05:03:40 AM
@mikestocks

Good work. I'm glad to see some are trying reeds and you discovered the magnet at the right angles makes it oscillate. If you try and find some normally closed reeds also and use them side by side to the NO reed connecting one of the ends together. This will enable you to send the flyback to another coil and check the secondary output of that one. Actually a three way reed is preferable but two reeds having the same specs except for NO and NC will do this. I think if the TPU was using reeds, the 20 minute run time is logical. A 3-way reed would enable reusing the flyback instead of having it return only to create heat and burn out the reed....
Hi wattsup,
Thanks for the suggestions.
I checked again with RadioShack and they do not carry any NC reeds or any NC reed/activating solenoid combo.
So for the time being I?m trying to keep it as close and as simple as possible to the initial SM?s setup and as jdurban noted in the interview, RS was the source for parts back then. However; NC and 3 way are available from Hamlin and others.

A next logical step would be to have the small?s toroid output C-D feeding the primary control coils of the TPU or at least one of them, add more self oscillating circuits such as this for more control coils? Also what would happen if the small toroid is not used at all and the A-B are fed to the main primary coil(s) in the SM tpu? What would a series of high voltage spikes across the main primary to the tune of 5-6KHZ would result at the collector (final tpu output)?

The reed switch (magnetic sensor) could even be removed from its own activating coil and be placed near or inside a primary main control coil too, or better yet to get the complete feedback have it sensing and cutting off from the final collector output? 
Its an attempt to break the system down to its most elementary elements in an effort to test/understand the basics of the working principle before mixing it up to more complicated levels.

Note: the reed is very easy to remove from inside its activating coil from that RS part. Just slowly bend back straight the two center leads and it just slides out of one side from the blue coil casing.

Thanks
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: mikestocks2006 on April 29, 2008, 05:06:59 AM
Mikestocks2006,

that's a nice little "passive" bemf pusler, but what relevance is that to the TPU?

i think this has been "discovered" dozens of times, it's not ou sorry to say.
I never said it was OU, where did you see that? Did you read my previous posts?
Just trying to get a simplistic driving circuit for the primary of SM tpu using simple available parts from RS.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on April 29, 2008, 05:17:24 AM
so why use a reed switch mate? using a transistor or fet or hall sensor is pretty darn simple too...have you studied any bedini circuits?

your operating frequency is at the mercy of the mag bias and coil surrounding the reed

radio shack had transistors and mosfets back then too, but assuming that all or most SM's parts came from radio shack is a pretty big assumption i think  :o
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: mikestocks2006 on April 29, 2008, 05:28:23 AM
so why use a reed switch mate? using a transistor or fet or hall sensor is pretty darn simple too...have you studied any bedini circuits?

your operating frequency is at the mercy of the mag bias and coil surrounding the reed

radio shack had transistors and mosfets back then too, but assuming that all or most SM's parts came from radio shack is a pretty big assumption i think  :o
Hi poynt99
Please read post 556, describes the scope and reasons, most if not all your questions are answered there.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4486.msg92135.html#msg92135

Anyways thanks for the suggestions?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: mrd10 on April 29, 2008, 05:42:56 AM
@Mike...., beautiful work my friend, I sent you a pm, hope to have you included into one of my fine contacts.....
for me you have sparked my enthusiasm in the TPU again. Simple yet effective in explaining what he could be doing with these magnets in the units, makes alot of sense to me...

Oh just remembered something, do you have a little vid you can do? if not don't worry, because no matter, im going to head your way with this.
Is there also any noise when this is happeneing?

Thanks Again,

Dom
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: otto on April 29, 2008, 07:59:47 AM
Hello all,

@wattsup

hmmm....the collectors....4 wires at 90? ....4 1/2 turns...hmmm....Im ....

OK, I have to use my little brain:

we see the end points of this coils. With 4 1/2 turns for each wire we have the starting points of this wires also at 0?, 90?, 180? and 270?. If I would connect my 4 controls somehow to this collectors I would have a horizontal AND vertical magnetic field. A much better field. Hmmm.....have I to connect the controls to the collectors? No. Can I pulse only the collectors? Yes, I saw fine nice kicks.
Can I pulse the controls not connected to the collectors but on this collectors have a nice shining bulb? Yes.
I tried it.

The Mobius as I made it all the time was really not good. A lot of times I saw that my Mobius doesnt work. I had a Mobius with 1 turn, with 3 turns, 5 turns 9 turns. All working or not in the same manner: not good!!

How to build this collectors?

I suppose it is the best solution to use 2 lamp cables. 1 lamp cable cutted to have 0? and 90? and the other 180? and 270?. I mean the 2 strands cutted to the needed lenghts. With 2 lamp cables we have 4 strands, of course.

As the 6" TPU is 1" thick I used 9 turns of lamp wires and so I can easily use 2 x 4 1/2 turns and again I have 1" thickness of my TPU.

Not bad for my little brain, ha,ha.

And I wound last week sooooo a big nice coil!!!! I needed ALL the week!! But my mistake: a 9 turns collector!!! S..T!!!

Bur whats with the white wire? 1 turn. A ring? Copper or Nickel or Alu, ......dont say iron!!! I hate iron. If I want to build a heater then OK. But Im building, I hope, a TPU. In my TPU is iron not wellcome!!

Its time for a new TPU, version - better not to post!!

Otto

PS: dont build such collectors as I tried to describe because Im a PC hero. The point is that I dont have such collectors. You may fail and .....its on you.
I can say for myself that I will have such collectors in a few days. Of course with my controls and then I can say more.


Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 29, 2008, 03:22:04 PM
@mikestocks2006

Very good work. Try and look at The Tesla Project thread and learn a few of the rudiments of induction/capacitance in the simple circuit posted by @allcanadian. You can add a capacitor to your present circuit and place the reed switch so it will short from the battery positive to between a choke and a transformer or toroid primary. There are so many ways to play around with this set-up. With @ACs circuit, you can pulse the reed in forward and pulse it again when the primary reverses to the source. This should reduce the demand on the battery and still produce an output.

@otto

I would recommend that you not do a build right away. Please give us here another week or so in order that we can gather some more pertinent information on the FTPU. I am worried that you will be building and from our combined total effort here we will make another discovery soon and you may then decide to take apart your build to do it over. Also, concerning how you see these rings and coils, can you make some drawing so we can see if there is any way to observe this in the FTPU. This would guide us in another way to look at the device. The more we look at the FTPU and the more we understand what we are looking at, the more we will discover other facets.

I have done some tests with my first FTPU ring with the bailing wire. The outcome is dead nothing. No activity, no transfer, not even a small blip on the screen so at least by eliminating some variables we can hone in on better approaches. Next I will remove the primary coils of stranded wire and replace it with single mag wire of 16 awg and try it again.

@all

I really wish we could find the toroid manufacturer.

My son is downloading a new video editing software that permits zoom and pan so this will permit me to make some better close up views in motion. VirtualDubMod does not permit the pan feature so we lose the FTPU when we get too close. Always the elusive one. lol
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: mrd10 on April 30, 2008, 04:51:39 AM
For those who want to attempt Mikes experiment, see what result you get when inserting the reed inside the toroid itself, rather than wrapping it with a coil....The toroid will have to be small of course.....
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: otto on April 30, 2008, 07:28:34 AM
Hello all,

@wattsup

I saw some of the older videos, couldnt see anything because of the low quality, I dont want the new, better quality videos...the reson is that every coil is hidden and to see some connections is not enogh for me.

I suppose you see more and I suppose that you see wires going from every quarter of the TPU to the point where the bulb is. Im just guessing.

Last week I builded soooo a nice coil for nothing. Next week I will start to build a new coil with a collector like Mannix showed us. Im just curious to see because I have a feeling....as a lot of times. Maybe Im wrong but I see a lot of ways to connect my new collectors. Yesterday I said that the Mobius as I used it was not good. The most time not working.....

Now I will be a PC hero:

we have for 1 ring 4 collectors horizontal + 4 controls vertical. This means for me that every control coil has his collector. Hmmm.....and if we have 2 collector rings then we can them connect in the Mobius way.

Im all the time thinking about my Rodin coil collectors made a looong time ago. Why was there sooo a big magnetic field? Every 150? was a change in the direction of the collector wires.

I suppose the same will happen in this new collectors because every 90? ... is a change in the direction of the wires.  I mean the change from horizotal to the vertical.
In short, next week I will have enough time to build it.

I think this was more then enough s..t from me today.

Otto


Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dom on April 30, 2008, 10:27:49 AM
Hi All, I have updated my thread about bedini energizer on page 14, where i've posted the pic, There's important info about c20 discharge rate.
Bedini Energizer Specs and Tips:-
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spider on April 30, 2008, 03:04:24 PM
Nice thought!

Greetings Rene
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on April 30, 2008, 04:20:46 PM
@otto and others

So, the fun continues.

The image below shows a red arrow pointing to a reflection on the inner side of the ring. This reflection stops about 1 inch from the ring edge signifying that the ring IS going under the spool disk.

I have uploaded an animation of these frame shots here;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get45

Geez, since the upload is a gif animation, you will have to choose to open it and choose your web browser. You can find out where your web browser is located by right clicking on your desktop browser icon, choose properties and see the target field.

Lots more to come.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: slapper on April 30, 2008, 04:28:13 PM
I'm pretty sure someone had post a close match of the toroid on another thread but I can't even begin to remember which thread it's in. It looks like a common mode choke.

http://www.wcmagnetics.com/catalog/25amp-toroidal_cmchoke.html (http://www.wcmagnetics.com/catalog/25amp-toroidal_cmchoke.html)
(http://www.phonecotech.com/OverU/CMChokes1.gif)

I don't think these are as large as the ones in the TPUs but similar.

Still looking. Take care.

nap

ps I'm not sure if he used these for timing or if he used these for their intended purpose and used them for cleaning up the output.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: simonmagus on April 30, 2008, 05:56:50 PM
ps I'm not sure if he used these for timing or if he used these for their intended purpose and used them for cleaning up the output.

Here is a device that uses an iron core toroid to store energy and taps the magnetic flux for release. It works like a colpitts oscillator. You may find it interesting and relevant. Ignore the reference to a thermopile and substitute with copper wiring. I believe Steven's device works on similar principles where all the magic happens with the toroid.Check out the flux pump used for induction.

The inventor also claims a few anomalies on the government document such as: "This tends to make the resistance in all parts of the circuit cancel out or disappear.".

    
5 kW Portable Power Generator
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3325.msg50370.html#msg50370

(http://squidworks.info/users/sm/the_trymer_company/images/fig1.gif)
(http://squidworks.info/users/sm/the_trymer_company/images/fig2.gif)
(http://squidworks.info/users/sm/the_trymer_company/images/fig3.gif)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on April 30, 2008, 07:17:24 PM
http://physics.kenyon.edu/EarlyApparatus/Electrical_Measurements/Astatic_Galvanometer/Astatic_Galvanometer.html

Here is a nice close view of one, showing the windings (which are not crossed - wires go through a hole) and the two needles - missing the scale ring.

http://www.gemmary.com/instcat/10/10-026.html
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Feynman on April 30, 2008, 08:50:17 PM
Hey guys,  thanks for the links.

@simon

This thermocouple information is fascinating. This seems to me to validate Bearden's theories; I find it hillarious that this was published by US SDC

"This tends to make the resistance in all parts of the circuit cancel out or diappear. This sounds crazy." -SDIO/IST , US Strategic Defense Command, Huntsville, Alabama

Now to me this suggests a 'cold' electricity component which directly opposes the existing EMF.  That is, inductors become capacitors, capacitors become inductors, and current flows 'backwards'.   I do not know if this is how the TPU works, but this paper from USSDC seems to suggest they encountered a real issue with negative energy while they were building a railgun.

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: nickle989 on May 01, 2008, 03:01:08 AM
Has this thread taken a bit of a turn ? .... I am under the impression that the SM unit did not have an outside powersupply  (taking it for what it is said to be) .. so why all the diagrams with power supplys ? ... When the drill is plug into the unit there needs to be real current and voltage to get that thing going.   Assuming that the lamps are just lamps ... it would not be possible to put enough batteries in the thing to step enought voltage up for the lamps to light up.  However the right frequency would do it ... vibrate the atomic structure of the tungsten filament with the surrounding vacuum.

The plastic top and bottom could certainly act as capaciter.  The discharge frequency should be able to be found with the magnetic inductance as it finds the equalibrium with the load frequency.  I would also say that 2 parts of the coil would need to be open to the surroundings to be able to collect energy.  SM worked with speakers and amplifiers etc. ... I would have to say that AC would be the driver voltage ... and since you need to amplify to get the sound (unless you use a Germanium Diode and piezo coil) he has made an amplifier of some sort to amplify the voltage that is collected from the capacitor ... the quicker it charges the faster it discharges ...

just my 1/2 a cent of a view.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Feynman on May 01, 2008, 04:38:47 AM
We are trying to figure out how it worked.  If you have an idea, by all means, build, test, and post the results.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on May 01, 2008, 05:58:41 AM
Others have done this before, but I thought I would post my results based on the new video and audio (I used Spectrum Player, freeware).   

Of particular interest to us, has been the buzzing sounds that are produced by the mini TPU, right when it gets activated.   If you want to duplicate this sound frequency, you can turn on a bread toaster, and you will hear it.  It's a buzzing or constant humming that fades after a few seconds. (not sure if its the same frequency but sounds the same to me)   However, in the case of the TPU,  the sound also pulses, and we can hear at least 3 or four pulsings before it fades away.

Looking at the Fourier transform of the signal, we notice the harmonics composing the signal (short lines in time, and height represents their frequency.).  They seem to be in groups located somewhere around 4 kHz, above and below it as well.

This can imply two very close in frequency signals that mix, and we get the slow pulsing, and the higher harmonics, etc., or perhaps it's an interaction with the glass table.

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on May 01, 2008, 02:52:07 PM
glass table

Why is the TPU affected by large metal objects?  Surely a large sheet of aluminum would not affect a magnetic field, yet SM specifically stated that a large piece of aluminum would affect the TPU.   So large conductors are detrimental in some way.  Is just one conductor a problem? - could you use two and balance it out?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on May 01, 2008, 03:31:41 PM
if the tpu receives energy via electromagnetic fields,  then blocking those with a large conductor would stop the operation.   The effectiveness at blocking magnetic fields goes down with frequency,  since a simple conductor relies on eddy currents to oppose the CHANGING magnetic field,  and if it changes too slow, the eddy currents are to weak so not an effective blocking mechanism.

For slow magnetic fields,  the best bloking scheme is a ferromagnetic enclosure, not just a simple conductor enclosure.  For high frequency,  then a thin aluminum sheet should do just fine.

At 5 kHz,  I would think the bloking effectiveness is very low.   So a good experiment that Steven should of done is to place the TPU inside a ferromagnetic box, and see if it still works.

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on May 01, 2008, 04:15:05 PM
if the tpu receives energy via electromagnetic fields,  then blocking those with a large conductor would stop the operation.   The effectiveness at blocking magnetic fields goes down with frequency,  since a simple conductor relies on eddy currents to oppose the CHANGING magnetic field,  and if it changes too slow, the eddy currents are to weak so not an effective blocking mechanism.

For slow magnetic fields,  the best bloking scheme is a ferromagnetic enclosure, not just a simple conductor enclosure.  For high frequency,  then a thin aluminum sheet should do just fine.

At 5 kHz,  I would think the bloking effectiveness is very low.   So a good experiment that Steven should of done is to place the TPU inside a ferromagnetic box, and see if it still works.

EM

I thought SM said it did still work in a ferromagnetic box - maybe I imagined that.  I do remember that he stated that it worked in an aircraft - to 15000 ft as I recall.  I think the problem with metal objects is when they are in close proximity.

As for the TPU working via recieved EM fields - SM stated that the energy comes from "within" the device - not from an outside source - within.  That pretty much narrows the source down, doesn't it?

Are you familiar with what Maxwell termed "displacement current"?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on May 01, 2008, 05:11:04 PM
As i recall he said it Won't work in a small metal box...

M.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Feynman on May 01, 2008, 05:16:52 PM
@EM

Nice FFT!  I'm amazed that those bands show up so clearly.   One thing -- if we are saying device operates by Schumann resonance, you'd expect to see an octave harmonic at 3.9936 kHz.  But such a harmonic appears to be absent...

Also, do you have the raw data so we can calculate the exact frequency of those bands?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on May 01, 2008, 05:36:14 PM
Here are mine.
I made them last year.
There are more sequences in the start up of the coil.
As you can see there is a lot of activity in the 5500 Hz range aswell as in the 16000 Hz range which is close to the television oscillator.
I did also make a spectrum chart but i'm unable to locate that at the moment.

M.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on May 01, 2008, 06:19:40 PM
I don't think these are as large as the ones in the TPUs but similar.

Still looking. Take care.

nap

ps I'm not sure if he used these for timing or if he used these for their intended purpose and used them for cleaning up the output.
502-1 or 502-7 are worth trying. (well, if my theories are worthy at all ;) the latest find by GK suggests to build a PMH device and build everything around it.

However, what is also important in case of sharp gradients is that attenuation frequency response of the core approaches 0 dB at high frequencies:
(http://www.wcmagnetics.com/images/data/502.gif)

This is a pretty interesting fact when trying to describe function of pulser from theoretic standpoint. While each pulse creates oscillation of low-frequency within core, the very high frequencies pass the core straight, so basically sharpness of pulse front is only partially affected by the core. This means that speculations about core "absorbing" the sharp gradient are only partially corrent. If pulse's rise time is 10ns, the largest part of EM energy will be carried unattenuated.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on May 01, 2008, 06:52:21 PM
As i recall he said it Won't work in a small metal box...

M.

When/where did he say this and was it in reference to a ferromagnetic box or any metal?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on May 01, 2008, 06:55:06 PM
As you can see there is a lot of activity in the 5500 Hz range aswell as in the 16000 Hz range which is close to the television oscillator.
I did also make a spectrum chart but i'm unable to locate that at the moment.
Judging from the image, 16200 Hz to be more exact - that's exactly the third harmonic of 5400 Hz, which suggest some "symmetric" oscillation is taking place. This may well be square wave pulses at 5400 Hz. Well, since there is energy around 11kHz, some trace of saw-tooth oscillation is also present (though, it is not major).

On image posted by EMdevices the three spectral traces could be created by 3.2kHz sine-wave oscillation heterodyned by/with 200 Hz sine-wave.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Feynman on May 01, 2008, 08:05:56 PM
@aleks
Can you explain how you are differentiating between square, saw, and sine on the Fourier Transforms?

@marco
Thanks for the info   ;)

@FT'ers
this was a great idea, really damn clever

@all
Anyone got a good copy of the raw video from which these FTs were determined? 



Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on May 01, 2008, 08:25:35 PM
Feynmen,  did you not download the DVD that Jack provided?   In that previous post I included the frame that shows where the sounds get produced (right as he activates the tpu by inserting a magnet inside of it)  You can also hear the same sound in the low resolution videos available online at google, youtube, etc.. 

I don't have any "raw data" as in exported numbers,  I just exported the audio clip to a wave file (using Ulead), and played it with the spectrum program.   Do you want the short wave file?  I can posted when I get home if you're interested. 

EM

P.S.  @Marco,   I not sure what you're looking at there, but there is no frequency content in the buzzing above 5 kHz,  there is however a continuous 12 kHz and 17 kHz  (approx)   frequency that I see, which is not part of the buzzing sound, so I condensed the chart to the frequencies you see.   I'll have to analyze the old video sounds, maybe they're different, which would mean distortion  introduced due to resampling to a lower bit rate perhaps.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Feynman on May 01, 2008, 08:29:39 PM
Didn't realize this was in Jacks' video.  I'll check when I get home tonite to see if I can also do FT.  Thanks  :)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on May 01, 2008, 10:06:40 PM
Can you explain how you are differentiating between square, saw, and sine on the Fourier Transforms?
Sine wave is a single spectral component, without obvious connection to other frequencies. Obvious connections are: equally-spaced side bands and harmonic multiplies.
Square wave consists of odd (1,3,5,7,etc) harmonics.
Saw-tooth waves consists of all (1,2,3,4,5,6) harmonics.

Of course, knowing phase of harmonics is also important to make any final judgement. Unfortunately, spectral power plots do not give any information about harmonics phase.

By the way, the image EMdevices posted is actually looking like 100Hz square wave oscillator with 3.2kHz square wave oscillator running together, because I can see 200 Hz spaced traces throughout the spectrum. Another possibility is that 3.2kHz (or 3.5kHz) is not a square wave signal, but some kind of resonant frequency of the system. If this is really a 3.5kHz square wave frequency, I do not see its higher components. On the other hand, it may be a 1.1kHz saw-tooth (or 550 Hz square) wave: you can can clearly see 2.2, 3.3 and 4.4kHz traces (around these), with a pretty expected intensity progression.

Well, without knowing fundamental frequency it's easy to mix square wave and saw-tooth wave. Common "power line" buzz can be modeled both with high-passed square wave and saw-tooth wave.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on May 01, 2008, 10:35:36 PM
octave harmonic at 3.9936 kHz.
It's won't be an 'octave harmonic', it will be a 500th overtone. :) 500*7.8...
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Feynman on May 01, 2008, 10:55:24 PM
i do not think that is correct. (calc must be done w/ powers of two)

fB : base frequency 
fH : harmonic frequency
M : Multiple
O : Octave

fB = 7.8hz
fH = 3,993.6hz

M = fH / fB
M = 3993.6hz / 7.8hz
M = 512

Harmonic is 512x multiple of the base.

How many octaves up is this harmonic?
2^x = fH / fB = M
x = log2(fH/fB)
x = log2(512)
x = ln(512)/ln(2)
x = 9

fH is nine octaves above fB.   

aka
7.8 * (2^n) will give "octaves", where n = octave


PS
thanks for info on sine/square/saw FT differences
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on May 01, 2008, 11:09:34 PM
aka
7.8 * (2^n) will give "octaves", where n = octave
Well, OK, you are right in this sense. However, physically it is much irrelevant since physical processes deal with harmonics mainly.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: turbo on May 01, 2008, 11:11:56 PM

P.S.  @Marco,   I not sure what you're looking at there, but there is no frequency content in the buzzing above 5 kHz,  there is however a continuous 12 kHz and 17 kHz  (approx)   frequency that I see, which is not part of the buzzing sound, so I condensed the chart to the frequencies you see.   I'll have to analyze the old video sounds, maybe they're different, which would mean distortion  introduced due to resampling to a lower bit rate perhaps.


EM

I know what i analyzed.
The images are a crystal clear representation of the sounds made by the coils.
I do remember analyzing more then one take from diffrent coils and i am not shure which one you analyzed.
Steven stated in one of his video's the coil was running close to 5500 hertz which match the spectral graph quite perfect.
These signals are so clear and so close that it cannot be distortion.

I like the idea Aleks presented about the square wave and the harmonics.

If i can find some spare time i will fire up the gear i used to analyze the video's once again and note the time stamps so we can compare our findings.

M.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on May 02, 2008, 12:18:49 AM
oh,  so you might have analyzed sound from other sections, interesting.   I thought it was only the mini TPU that buzzed.

nice deduction there aleks, 

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on May 02, 2008, 02:49:13 AM
back side view,  notice the double strand is clearly visible, AND the winding direction  :)

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: shimondoodkin on May 02, 2008, 10:19:41 PM
every one of the TPUs are buzzed.

every different TPU had little different frequencies (not sure:the larger so lower frequency) =
maybe there was some equal cycles per second in all of the TPUs.

when  the TPU was used(i.e.: connected to lamp(s)) then some of the frequencies disappeared.

as the TPU started one buzz frequency was rising slowly in form of a slow sine wave from near 2300Hz until it reached a lower large frequency(4300Hz) and then like stayed there. (not sure:i think i have seen it in the largest TPU as he tuns it on).

idea:maybe to connect audio from PC with a real oscilloscope so you can see the phase or something or none.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Feynman on May 02, 2008, 10:29:05 PM
Best trick would be to do like 4-pole low-pass/high-pass filters on the frequencies in question, using Ableton or Cubase in your computer.  Then you will be able to see the waveform within the spectral band you choose.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Peterae on May 02, 2008, 11:51:55 PM
Good work guys, work on this as much as possible because it maybe the only true information we have that tells us how it works.

Peter
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on May 03, 2008, 12:26:56 AM
hi to all

i have read some  here  i like to say something yes  tpu is make  noise there and  make     5000 or 6000 cikle per scend  yes   is true make  that 
my test  i have send  video cilp i like  to show that  what is hapend   when  im put  small permanent magnet      and  you  seee there    is increase  the  v  and   milli amps    and   the input  v  and  milli amps  going down   when  is increase  the  v  and  milli amps  on the   out coil 
<<whit that i like to provet  is   that  s.m  when  is put small agnet then  s  increase the out power  only  whit  small per mag
and  ather     simple  explane   when i put  my permanent magnet      my  toroid is start  to vibrattions  like  speaker  coil AND    YOU  SEE  THE  S.M  SAID  HIS DIVICES IS  VIBRATEDE      BEACOISE   THAT SMALL PERMANNET MAGNETS
I LIKE TO SEE  MY  VIDEO CLIP  AND  SEE  WHAT IS  HAPEND   IN  THE  MY  OSCILOSCOPE  WHEN I PUT   MAGNET S   IN THE   180%  OF MY TOROID
PS   YES MAGNET  CAN  AMPLIFAED  POWER  YES  IS   HELP TO  PRODUCED  VIBRATIONS  >
AND    WAY S.M SAID   6000 HZ   HM LET SAY YOU HAVE   60 HZ  IN     AND  YOU HAVE   100?= 6000 KICK WHIT  DC  OUT   STRANGE  IS    ;) ;) :D
YOU HAVE    AC  VOL.  WHIT  DC  VOILTAGE   PULSING 6000 TIME PER SCEOND
BUT  HOW TO MAKE THAT   
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on May 03, 2008, 12:32:06 AM
Hi Mac,

I like your experimental results.  It's definitely a magnetics sort of an effect involving toroids, iron wire, biasing magnets, etc..   
I don't want to say too much right now, cause I might have to retract it later, but I hope to experiment along these concepts this weekend, to verify some concepts.

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on May 03, 2008, 01:14:08 AM
@all

Good posts guys. Lots of things to consider here. I wonder if the sound could be from a reed switch. lol

I would like to talk about the FTPU and try to vulgarize certain concepts of operation and see if this makes sense or not as I can understand it.

In most all pulsing systems, the pulse creates a momentary magnetic field. But that field recedes before it starts again so where is the potential to move current forward if it is not transfered by coupling? It's like pushing and pulling is getting nowhere if there is no clear power source and load or an advancement of the flyback.

I will give an analogy of a home heating system based on hot water. You have a water heater , radiators, and all the piping. If you fill the hole thing up with water and turn on the water heater, what will happen? Nothing or very little because there is something missing. So if the water heater is the battery source, the radiators are the coils, the piping is the interconnecting wires and rings and you turn on the system. What will happen. Nothing again because something is missing again.

In the water system, what's missing is a circulating pump. Without this pump, the heated water cannot migrate through the radiators and create ambient heat. So what if the equivalent to the water pump is the toroid center. When you pass one of the wires of the circuit loop through the toroid center, this acts like a pump and starts moving the current around the circuit. The faster you move the current in the circuit, the more your coil will give off magnetism. Remember otto's 50 turns around the finger?

So I guess what I am trying to convey is that the toroid is not only a concentrated reflection of the primary coils but also a current pump with the wire going through the center. So what if one of the toroid coils plus half of the primary coils, plus half of the ring wires are all in series with one wire from this series loop going through the toroid. The same thing happens for the other toroid coil and primaries and rings are again in series and go through the toroid but the other way. As the toroid moves current forward (and backwards), this current increases the effect on the primaries that increase the effect on the ring, that increases the effect on the toroid coil, that again increases the effect of the wire passing through the toroid and so on. This type of gradual increase would explain why such a system works with a gradual power increase when the system is started.

Now here's another factor of the FTPU and that is the rings (not the primary coils) but the rings themselves. It has been shown that an energized ring will create an energy flow going perpendicular from the center of the ring in one direction. This has been shown by Roberto when he measured the magnetic field of his ECD and indicated that the field was measured far above the ECD unit. A good six feet above if I remember correctly. That is very impressive indeed and had stuck with me. And we know the ECD was also using two rings like the FTPU.

So can we understand that this center perpendicular mag field is being sur-amplified when you put one ring over the other, the effect is not doubled but most likely compounded by a factor of X times the normal single ring effect. This effect is also being exerted onto the toroid that is positioned dead center to catch this energy flow inside its core.

So I think it will be good to do some experiments in both the toroid center wire and current movement and also in the measurement of mag fields with one, two or three stacked rings. This does not have to be in a strict TPU type arrangement as these experiments could be done to only show the effects.

The use of one or two capacitors in the FTPU circuit can be the initial current movement since we know that capacitors always have some energy gain even when they are left alone. So when a capacitor is connected with other coils, etc., there is always some gain. They could have millivolts that move through the toroid, through the other coils and rings then through the center of the toroid to be augmented. What I am trying to understand is how the nuts and bolts of the device work without using the ether as a backdrop. If only one electron can move forward, they all have to move forward, like water in a fluid system.

Anyways, I'll stop here because I risk repeating myself.

OK maybe on last thing. In the FTPU, LTPU, MTPU it is evident that there is a toroid with a wire going through it. In the smaller TPUs, they are already toroids. Now in the OTPU, I would however speculate that the coil No. 3 that is opposite the output wires, is also a toroid and the control coils are going through it also. That's why we cannot see those wires going from one side to the other.

Sorry for such a long post.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: slapper on May 03, 2008, 02:17:05 AM
I've circled what potentially appears to be a toroid wrapped in tape. The arrow is pointing to a magnet?

(http://www.phonecotech.com/OverU/6TpuTorMag1.gif)

And then there is the dinky TPU. I can never see daylight through the center. He appears to be placing the magnet straight down inside the center. At about 5:40 I hear a low hollow crackling sound as he presses his thumb into the center.

I suspect he has a toroid in each TPU except the OTPU.

back side view,  notice the double strand is clearly visible, AND the winding direction  :)

My eyes are failing. Is the wire wrapped the same direction all the way around for each of the 4 sections?

As near as I can tell it looks like white lamp cord twisted around the FTPU, some of it sectioned off. The silver colored wire looks like it is wrapped twice for every double white wire twist.

Just throwing this out there for response. I think I'll leave it there for now. Thank you everyone for all the good information.

Take care.

nap
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on May 03, 2008, 05:44:46 AM
@slapper

Thanks for the pic and good obs on the small TPUs.

I have started looking more closely at the OTPU (only so many hours in a day).
I finally found the toroid. It is secured on the other side of the circuit board and it seems just as big as the FTPU toroid.

I also say as others that there are two wires wound in the four control coils. But I could swear it is a 4 conductor brown telephone wire. This explains the flatness of the bends as the wire is turning. This would also explain the smoothness of the wire coating. This would also provide up to 8 conductors looping around that ring.

There is more but I need more time. Time. What a concept. lol
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spider on May 03, 2008, 12:55:16 PM
@wattsup, yesss we need a pump!

I just want to combine some informatie from different topics, so maybe this is not the rigth place. Refers to some oberservations from the videos neverless.


GK did some very interresting experiments with his bailingwire PMH just yesterday.

He got some nice spikes with just half a toroid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5KU_DgFd8s&NR=1


It made me think?

What if 2 of those spikes bang together? Or add up?

Q SM:
I became interested in the interaction between the two AC
transformers. 
The interaction can be very reveling, trust me.
Except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with
each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.


Q Leedskalnin: A PMH can hold its energy for months.

Maybe the TPU remains fully charged with energy when turned off. In the video, you never see SM turning a tpu on or off with the load connected. That would drain the PMH?s and make it hard to restart it.


Consider 3 x PMH?s, PMH1, PMH2 and PMH3.
A clever circuit, able to connect 2 PMH?s in series, very fast, in firing order

Firing order being:
PMH1 + PMH2 into PMH3, then PMH2 + PMH3 into PMH1, then PMH3 + PMH1 into PMH2, and back to the beginning.

Like 3 buckets of water, 30% full. Put 1 and 2 in 3 + a tiny little extra.


1 coil wound around the 3 PMH?s together, to feedback the current/flux/energy information back to the second part of the control circuit, for closed loop system control.


The rotating magnetic field would be effect, not cause.

Now place an other coil somewhere in the rotating field and there is your output.
Slapper and wattsup found them I think.

Greetings Rene
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Mannix on May 03, 2008, 01:33:00 PM
The information that I have is that YES the tpu needs to spin up before attempting to extract power.

They apparently will NOT start with a load connected...or so I have heard.


back to look and copy

Does any body see foil....faraday shield on those quadrants?

I have never recieved an answer to what that central torroid is made of and I would love to know..





Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: slapper on May 03, 2008, 01:47:58 PM
There's that bugger. I can see it clearly now. Thanks for shedding the light.

10:08
(http://www.phonecotech.com/OverU/OTpuTor1.gif)

Another common part - advanced a couple more frames:

(http://www.phonecotech.com/OverU/OTpuCap1.gif)

compared to the FTPU:

3:43
(http://www.phonecotech.com/OverU/FTpuCap1.gif)

I'm thinking this is an aluminum can electrolytic capacitor. I think I see the radial leads fanned out and bent back on the cap in the OTPU image.

Take care.

nap
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on May 03, 2008, 11:01:18 PM
@slapper

Good shots. Thanks. A second confirmation on the OPTU toroid was important.

@Mannix

I have been searching off and on for the toroid and no luck yet. I have even invited toroid manufacturers to come to the forum and try to help us identify the toroid, but none have responded thus far. So I continue inviting others.

I have posted a photo of some of the toroids I have on hand.

The big green toroid core is what I found when I removed the coils from an existing standard AC/AC toroid. This one is a rolled laminated strip type.

The two others are ferrites.

Notice the difference in the sharp edge of the green one compared to the rounded edges of the others. This is identical to the TPU toroid and pushes me to conclude that the toroid is a laminated rolled strip core. I cannot find any core with pre-made holes drilled from top to bottom as I can see in the FTPU toroid. I will try to drill some holes in the big green toroid to see if it is possible or not without breaking the toroid. I have tried drilling a pretty large ferrite core but it broke. lol

If any of you are curious how toroids are wound, here is a link with some nice short videos. When the first video is finished, just click on the Next Video button to see more.
http://www.gormanmachine.com/videos/proii/proii.htm
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Peterae on May 03, 2008, 11:15:14 PM
Wattsup

I have also concluded that the torroid used in the tpu's are laminated iron core, you are correct in saying it is the sharp edge that gives it away, these are used in most torroid transformers for audio psu's and come in loads of different sizes.

Peter
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on May 03, 2008, 11:59:39 PM
The green toroid above is very close to the dimension of the TPU toroids. When I took the original primary and secondary coils off of this toroid, there was alot of wire involved, layers and layers fully wound.

So if the TPU toroid is about the same dimensions, why does it only have one layer of thin wire wound as the two halves. What type of action would you expect from so few winds on such a bulky toroid. Also, for a TPU toroid, what are the attributes one should look for. High or low inductance. A highly inductive toroid  most probably since there are so few turns, you would want to use the toroid as a secondary energy storage device.

One more thing about the toroid and the "kick".

I have read that toroidal transformers once saturated hold their energy for a longer time then regular transformers. Also, while the toroid is still saturated, if power is turned off, then on, you will have what is called "in-rush" current. This only happens when the toroid is already energized. So maybe this is the kick since we now know all the TPUs have a toroid. lol

Also this holding of energy may explain why the power goes down gradually when the magnet is removed.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Peterae on May 04, 2008, 12:05:18 AM
dont destroy your torroids by drilling there are no holes in it, if you are refering to the hole in the disk underneath this is not a torroid only an rf shield, the top torroid does not actually go into the steel wire spool it sits on top and is screened on the bottom by an iron plate which also has 3 vertical clips which extend futher beyound its perimeter and are partially buried in the black potting compound these can clealry been seen in the LTPU and the FTPU.
It would appear the inner wire spool has been quiet well screened from rf, which doesnt surprise me because the chips he would have used for phase locking his 2 signal generators would be very sensitive to spurious noise.
At this point in time i would say he is using the torroid to generate sharp high voltage pulses, but i feel he is mixing 2 seperate frequencys in this torroid ready to drive the control coils, i am guessing at the moment that feedback is done by a 10 turn air coil which seems to be criticly positioned inbetween the output two control quadrants, i have seen this configuration on the FTPU and the OTPU.

I feel some of you guys in the know should try to sort the resonance traces using the sampled sound from the video this may be quiet important as the data produced can be trusted.

Cheers
Peter
Something i will also add is i beleive there to be only 1 collector in the FTPU, a collector has two halfs, the first being a coiled wire close to the control coils, the second half is a iron cored coil, in the ftpu the iron cored inductor is located inside the spool at the bottom, the iron core can be seen underneath dead center, the wires from this pass throught the center of the top torroid to mingle with the control quadrant coils.
The Otpu has two collectors, you can see the iron core in 1 of the feet, to find the second part of the collector you need to follow the white wires.
Notice that in the 7 inch tpu there are 3 wires to the switch, the red wires are control wires and the white collector wires, this is also so in the Otpu.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on May 04, 2008, 02:24:18 AM
@Wattsup

Before destroying a good core you may want to look into Rogowski coils. At this point I am almost convinced the little toroid on top of the FTPU is exactly that with one variation: center tapped.

Most of the descriptions of the TPU supplied to us fit a Rogowski toroid. If it is, then a TPU is a set of stacked Rogowskis and that little toroid on top is nothing more than a miniature TPU.

In any case I doubt it is a metallic core of any kind.

Cheers!
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 04, 2008, 04:51:03 AM
Spherics posted this patent.  It explains what the toroid was for, IMHO.  I suggest you read it and try to understand why SM needed this.  The answer is there. 

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19820016542_1982016542.pdf

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on May 04, 2008, 05:39:28 AM
@Bruce

At this point I have no doubt the core is not a core at all. It should be only a form and will likely contain a horizontal internal winding. The deposited high permeability micro coated skin would seem a resonable solution to reverse voltage. The pdf makes sense to me, especially when the outside winding is a Rogowski style. This would seem to make it extremely fast (low impedance) one direction and the opposite when flyback should happen.

I've been experimenting with ways to eliminate the flyback without active devices.
It is interesting to say the least. The blasted things glow a weird blue @ 6KHz when the lights are out  ;D Sorry to say, it is still an energy sucker but the wrong way.

Unlike a standard current transformer the Rogowski is a voltage source instead of a current source, like a C.T. Basically meaning it 'should' be a constant voltage source.
I have not proven that idea to myself yet.

They are known for having a verly low voltage output but if you want more voltage you just increase the current going through the middle -or- the speed -or- put a bunch of them on the current carrier and wire them in series -or- rotate the current going through at a higher velocity. Sound like increasing the number of short wires idea?

Their winding design is counter intuitive to most. Tight winds are not good. These are not affected by bi-polar magnetic fields unless the windings are too close. They are made to make use of the unipolar magnetic field around a current carrying conductor.
My thought is they are the same as all other inductive coupling circuits. Reverse action should also work.

JLN has past work on 1 atmosphere glow discharge (my mention of glowing coils above) but I don't think it applies to a correct TPU.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: slapper on May 04, 2008, 03:06:56 PM
@wattsup: Thanks for the heads up on the sharp edges on the cores.

I'm sorry, but I can't see SM winding those toroids. They are out of a product that he had available to him for gutting or he got a hold of them off the shelf. The most he may have done is remove some of the wraps.

There are wedges across the inside diameter of every exposed toroid. Do we assume that the wedges are made of plastic or some other material. I suppose we can give W. C. Magnetics a call on that one.

The toroids are loosely wound, as BEP has mentioned, and appears to me to be wound in a common mode fashion.

Common mode cores are, most likely, going to be made from different materials or material structures/alignments as opposed to 60Hz power transformer cores and different from switching power supply cores. The color of the coatings usually indicate what type of core they are but could vary between manufacturers.

Getting a hold of toroids that SM used would help.

Anyway, here is another common element between the TPU's:

(http://www.phonecotech.com/OverU/LTpuLampWire1.gif)

It appears he is using that 2 conductor molded cable, again, wrapped all the way around the perimeter of the LTPU. Not clear if this is sectioned off in quadrants or not.

Is there a consensus whether this cable he is using is lamp cord or speaker cable? Looks to me like lamp cord.

Anyway, thanks again for the indulgements. Take care.

nap

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on May 04, 2008, 07:28:18 PM
@Bruce_TPU

I looked over that patent with thanks. It is a great idea for pulsing without using discrete components which has always been my main concern with these TPUs. But the problem is I cannot see SM working away a winding the toroid cores with ultra thin 1-2 micron films. When you consider the smallest particle visible to the human eye is around 40 microns, how could he have made such toroids. Rise times in the patent are also very fast, I doubt the TPUs are using such fast pulsing times. I think the final nail on the coffin is that the toroids in the FTPU and LTPU are identical, so identical that it is doubtful that anyone could manually make these so precise and so identical without it being part of a real industrial assembly line type manufacturing process. This leads me to conclude that the toroids have to be off-the-shelf. It you look at the photo below, you will also see that the center of the toroid is epoxy filled. You may also notice the holes I was talking about.

@BEP

Too late. I have already drilled the core. Just jokin. I will wait and check this again and again before I try anything. Damn it. I could swear there are holes in the toroid.

@slapper and @EM

As you know, I am using VirtualDubMod and at the 400 zoom level, the TPU is barely observable because it is mostly off the screen at that zoom level. I just found on another Forum with a thread that indicates by using the Filter called Null Transform, you can change the standard 0:0 x/y (upper-left) starting coordinates to where you want and this now puts the TPU smack dab on screen center at 400 zoom. lol WOW so you can then do the usual but much closer.

@EM or others

About the @EM capacitor, (coined because @EM was the first to see it), can you find any picture of such a capacitor in real life. Can you see the capacitor in question on the following web page?
http://capacitor.tedss.com/CapacitorTypes/VisualGuide.asp

I need to know what you think it really looks like because I think there is an identical one behind the toroid and need some real perspective on it.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 05, 2008, 01:43:10 AM
Hi Wattsup,

I do not think that Spherics meant that SM wound that EXACT sat ind switch.  I think he was saying that SM used the toroid as shown, in "much the same way."  To provide two needed items.  1.)  HV pulses 2.) fast rise times.  SM did not have the luxury of the electronics of 2008.  SM said that it took them 10 years to work the circuit from tubes to SS. 

Just something for everyone to chew on.   ;)

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Feynman on May 05, 2008, 02:14:06 AM
Yeah, I also think that's possible these toroids were used to "shape" the waveforms.  ie.  Improve rise times, etc.  Vacuum tubes have very fast transit times (<2ns) but MOSFETs and transistors do not (25ns-700ns).  Just a thought.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: starcruiser on May 05, 2008, 04:49:06 AM
Just a thought here, what if the torrid is just a transformer that is used for an oscillator or just a transformer that is wound with opposing coils?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: khabe on May 05, 2008, 12:00:31 PM
 I dont like to break in on your argy-bargy discussion but there are some of my observations during few past years.
 When Mannix(?) published messages from Steven then he (S.M) told that has spent US$10K for Neodymium magnets - not any reaction from your side.
 Although S.M. told about benefits of vacuum tubes ... are you up till today naive to find out some hidden ones from built by S.M. samples?
 Why J.D. mentioned about boyfriend of Steven, is it part of Novel or was it like masturbation?
 Are you sure anybody got even one real message from Steven Mark?
 Lot of questions - hereby was only fews,
 Sorry about my poor English,
 Regards,
 K.Habe
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: starcruiser on May 05, 2008, 05:42:46 PM
@Loner,

The large TPU has a piece of COAX in it, check the video out when he cuts it open, it is near the top if I am not mistaken.

Starcruiser, That is along the lines I was thinking.

The Torrid could be used to jack up the voltage and Freq. control and the Saturated
Inductor switch would be in any cable just by placing VERY thin material against
the wire.  Put some tape over that and you  are at exactly what the patent describes.
(Well the patent specs Coax, but even a wire pair would work.)

Just a thought.

Art.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: FatBird on May 05, 2008, 05:58:24 PM
Summary of Important Points From SM's Videos & Letters To Mannix:

1.   Compass will spin up when turned on.
2.   Never tune too closely to the exact frequencies
3.   Make a Kill Switch with Over Voltage & Heat Sensors.
4.   The control units are so very important to control the frequencies.
5.   The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil.
6.   First frequency, then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.
7.   You could describe the useable current output of my coil as DC but with some hash in it.
8.   There are 3 Control Coils (all the way around) each of the 3 Collector.  Start them 1 at a time.
9.   The ?TPU? units heat up to a potentially dangerous temperature after a considerable period of time
10. The Collector is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other.  Other
      control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together.

===================================================================

There is a wealth of knowledge in almost everyone of my letters.  You seem to be the only one who has the ability to absorb and digest the information the way it is intended.  After rereading my letters to you I became aware that in fact I have already sent you enough information to duplicate my power units.  I have certainly given you more to go on then I had when developing it.


Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on top of the other. But the important thing is to wrap the control coils perpendicularly around the collector coils. There need to be three of them all the way around. Start them up one at a time each. First frequency then second harmonic component into the second, then the third. When you eventually strike the cord look out. you will know what has happened at that point. In the mean time you can measure a slight output even if you do not strike the exact cord.


In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's circumference.  The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the Collector Coil.

On to another point. There is an inertia. With the right combination of frequencies, you can actually create a revolving field with inertial! That is what I have referred to as , The inertia effect.

There is a genuine gyroscopic effect when the units are on. Everybody has noticed that when held and in operation, the units have a definite vibration and have a gyroscopic effect..  They seam to resist being moved through the air. When placed on a smooth surface it is very pronounced. Some of you should think about that.


Electron tube circuits work much more precisely then solid state units. Especially when first experimenting. You will be able to get some excitation with solid state units but we had to design with tubes first and then try to duplicate the functioning system with solid state circuits later. It was difficult. Solid state circuits are very dirty and imprecise.

Solid state devices are too slow to find the three major intersecting you know whats...

About the collector:   It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not interleaved. Three is important. You can do many things with three coils. You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel, or etc. You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control on large power units if need be.

The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils. Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together. Through the different control wire and coil wire arrangements you can keep complete control of the unit most of the time.

However, you must have an emergency KILL switch. A way of cutting off all the control frequencies simultaneity. This kill switch must be, manual and also connected through a heat sensor buried within the collector coil. it should automatically stop the function of the unit before it self destructs on it's own.

This is important for obvious reasons. Also the kill switch should also be connected to cut off whenever it measures over voltage. If that should ever happen, you would never have enough time to hit the kill switch before the inevitable explosion occurred. You know, it is very similar to the idea of a long garden hose. Picture a hose with water in it. If you pick up one end and move along the length of the hose you will move the water constantly along in the direction you are moving. You could also squeeze the hose in the direction to move the water along as well. And you could do both to control the movement of the water more precisely. You can think of the movement of water as the movement of electrons through the collector coils.

I hope the things I share with you give you ideas about how my unit works. As you know, I am a great believer in understanding, not copying.
Sincerely,
SM.

As you know, Large amounts of FEEDBACK is essential to frequency and control when using SS devices for everything in the electronics world, HOWEVER, it is the enemy of generators!  If anyone ever gets one of these things operating, have them measure the electro magnetic and hash radio around the unit....it will blow your mind. so, what does that do to control devices in close proximity?


Most of the most successful units we made had control wiring run or wrapped vertically over the horizontal collector wires. You can see them in the units in some of the videos under black plastic covering. They were run perpendicular to the travel of the collector wires. They were run in multiple segments. each segment could be fed a different frequency individually and or from a collector section to help perpetuate the oscillation and control. The control frequencies are important in order to make power from the collector.

By starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation. It is electron flow of a high order creating a large magnetic field. Or vice versa.

My point to this story is.... WE spent months and months trying in every conceivable way to duplicate a unit. The only thing that kept us going night and day was the fact that we already had one. We knew it was possible to have a working device.. It was the only thing that kept us going on the project. And even then we said I GIVE UP so many times I cant count.

REMEMBER, all of that noise and hash in your solid state amplifier is in the output signal ! Now tell me? What do you think is happening inside the extremely sensitive torrid generator when you use solid state devices to attempt to create the required precise control frequencies to make catalyst and produce power???


BUT, i guarantee you that their SS control devices are all sitting right beside the collector... aren't they? They will probably never start the coil and get to catalyst. I am not saying it is impossible, but it will Damn difficult for these guys to get more then a big bang once in a while. And just like me, that big bang will excite them enough to continue for a while longer. Maybe one of them will read back and see where I said the SS control device must be placed inside the collector coil. then they will explode with, MY GOD, maybe that is the reason why...... and off they will go. in the right direction at least.


I hope things are calmed in your life when you receive this.  I fully understand your feelings of frustration. To work hard to see nothing of a positive is sometimes shattering to one's self.  I know very well... I had a great deal of help and it took us years just to develop a SS control system that would work! And this is after we knew how to make generators!!!

Some of the units in the demo videos did in fact have one or two 9V batteries to provide a separate controllable DC source for the solid state control circuit.

We eventually learned how to make the power converters start with only the flick of a permanent magnet across the coils.  You may find it humorous that we had to find a way to make the things work without any batteries purely because UEC needed us to honestly answer the question:  Does it have any batteries inside of it?  They wanted us to be able to truthfully answer NO, to anyone who asked that question.  You would be surprised how difficult it can be to explained to a lay person how impossible it is to convert a 9V battery into the juice needed to light a single 100 watt 120 volt light bulb, let alone make toast with an electric toaster!!!


The output of the unit is high voltage DC with a frequency component of around 5k Hz.  Think of the output as dc (pulsed) 5 KHz with lots of Hash in it.

The unit had been in steady operation for exactly two hours and fourteen minutes (2hours and 14 min).  The load of 2 amperes amperes at 137-volts did not change through the test period. I can personally state that I do not know of any battery or storage device of this size or weight with this capability.

The time was 12:47 when the inventor removed the large toroid device from operation. It had been in constant operation for three hours and eight minutes (3-hours and 8 minutes).

The ?TPU? units apparently heat up to a potentially dangerous level after a considerable period of time, and must be shut off at that point. This makes some people suspicious of a battery that is being depleted and which must be recharged after a few minutes. However, after having cooled down, the inventor has always managed to start the unit up again and light the lamps again for the same amount of time as before, until the unit heats up again, without removing the device from the observers sight to be ?recharged?.

This can apparently be done any number of times, such as the cumulative ?ON? time can be extended to at least 30 or 40 minutes. This is several times longer then the theoretical limit of any kind of concealed battery pack that I, the battery experts or electrical engineers have yet been able to discover. I have personally seen this demonstration at least fifty times.

By the way, we found that ordinary multi strand lamp cable worked very well for use as a collector.  Thick gage wire can dissipate the heat very well but there are two problems.  First the heavy gage wire isn't as efficient as the multi strand copper and also there is a safety advantage in using the multi strand lamp cable.

If the unit goes too far on frequency it may begin to convert too much current and try to dissipate way too much voltage.  The multi strand wire will just burn up and open the circuit whereas the heavy gage wire will continue to conduct until there will be the equivalent of a lightning strike of the unit.  That of course ends the operation of the unit but can also prove to be rather dramatic and also somewhat dangerous if you are in close proximity to the power unit.


The coils get hot. THis problem has not been resolved. It apparently due to the windings moving.  The destructive heating caused by the eddy currents become the problem we face when we make a really large powerful coil. Now you understand more about the heating problem and why using a fan does not work.  The time was 11:20 AM when the inventor removed the small toroid unit from operation because of heat build up. I examined the small toroid unit and it was indeed quite hot to the touch.

Strangely, using the left hand rule for magnetism, this toroid is an aberration.  Because when one thinks of the current beginning the flow through a load, the magnetic flux this winding creates is ADDITIVE to the pulsing magnetic flux created by the coils.

When it is unloaded the voltage climbs substantially and I do not mean a spike. it lasts for several seconds and is a good third higher. Steven calls it the turbine effect..


YES NORBERT, WE DID TRY THEM SOUTH OF THE EQUATER,   THEY WORK IN REVERSE. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY?


Outside Diameter:   6"
Inside Diameter:   5"
Height:   1 - 3/4"
Weight:   12 ounces
Output Power:   250 Watts
Output Voltage:   160 Volts
Voltage Frequency:   5000 Hz.
Duration of Performance: 30 Minutes


Univ Prof = The first unit was roughly shaped like a large donut. It measured approximately 4.72? across with an inside diameter hole of 3? making a core width approximately 1? thick.  The unit was exactly 2? tall, resembling a toroid. I did not measure the weight however the unit was extremely light when held in the hand.  

Univ Prof = Mr. Mark connected the unit directly to a 100 watt 120 volt incandescent light bulb and caused the unit to operate. It did in fact illuminate the incandescent bulb quite brightly. I measured the
voltage at 137 volts D.C. exactly, (ObS). See note*

================================================

Univ Prof = The second unit was again toroid shaped with a large hole in the center. It was approximately 15? at the outside and 13? inside with a core thickness of approximately 1?.  The unit was 4? tall. The unit was not measured in weight but could be easily lifted with one hand, (ObS).

================================================

Univ Prof = I asked the inventor if this was the limit of the unit and he replied, ?no way.? He provided a quick blow fuse rated at 50 amperes.

Univ Prof = With two large electrical clamps and wiring, he shorted the fuse across the output terminals of the toroid and destroyed the fuse, (ObS). There was only a slight flickering of the ten incandescent bulbs as observed although there was a tremendous discharge of sparks from the output terminals of the toroid unit.

Univ Prof = The inventor then gave me the fuse for examination. It was warm to the touch and smelled acrid, (ObS). It was a large 240 volt AC air conditioner disconnect fuse and designed for severe service duty, (OsS).

Univ Prof = The inventor?s claim that the large toroid output terminals were at lethal potential was no longer in question. The time was 11:20 AM when the inventor removed the small toroid unit from operation because of heat build up. I examined the small toroid unit and it was indeed quite hot to the touch.

I had only this to go on when I started and little by little I figured out how to make many several thousands of kicks per second. . .  AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IT ISN"T DIFICULT AT ALL.  No, I take that statement back.  Actually it is difficult if you refuse to start thinking.  Some of the information I have given to you is golden.  I have certainly given you enough information to move in the right direction.  I will continue to give you more information but I am so disappointed with the complete lack of ability I see in most everyone so far.

============================================

12 Ounce Open Unit in the 38 Min Film.

OD = 6 inches.
Height = 2 inches.
Thickness = 1 inch.
Output = 186V @ 5 Amps.  7 Amps with a Heat Sink.

============================================
Small 1 Pounder, Open Coil.  Took Magnet from his pocket.

OD = 4 inches.
Height = 1 3/4 inches.
Output = 100V @ 1 Amp.  7.3 Hz & 5 KHz.
=================================
Small Open Coil, 1 1/2  Pounder:

OD = 6 inches.
Height = 2 inches.
Thickness = 3/4 inches.
Output = 120V @ 5 Amps.  7.3 Hz & 5 KHz.
=================================
Large 17" Open Coil.

OD = 17 inches.
Height = 4 inches.
Thickness =
Output = 830V @ 10 Amps.

=================================================


.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on May 05, 2008, 06:29:21 PM
nice summary, good work guys,  wattsup, I'll look for your capacitor later.  Nice gif file, motion tells a lot !!!
EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: simonmagus on May 05, 2008, 08:49:16 PM
Summary of Important Points From SM's Videos & Letters To Mannix:

1.   Compass will spin up when turned on.
2.   Never tune too closely to the exact frequencies
3.   Make a Kill Switch with Over Voltage & Heat Sensors.
4.   The control units are so very important to control the frequencies.
5.   The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil.
6.   First frequency, then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.
7.   You could describe the useable current output of my coil as DC but with some hash in it.
8.   There are 3 Control Coils (all the way around) each of the 3 Collector.  Start them 1 at a time.
9.   The ?TPU? units heat up to a potentially dangerous temperature after a considerable period of time
10. The Collector is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other.  Other
      control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together.


Has anyone independently verified that it was in fact Steven Mark himself that wrote the information?  A voice sample, picture,.. anything? I have not seen conclusive identification of the letter's author.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: khabe on May 05, 2008, 11:55:08 PM
Jack Durban:
 â€œI met Steven in 1996 when my company was hired by Mercury Marilla, Steven's boyfriend at the time, to replicate the device's capabilities by any means possible. At First I thought he was trying to find out if there was another quick way to produce the same result with an alternative approach, but I later realized he was likely looking for a second design that he could pawn off on investors so he could retain the original design" ...
Perhaps because my poor English but all what sed J.D. - it looks like S.M. is not alive anymore (New informations by Dave Doleshal
? on: April 16, 2008, 12:02:58 PM ? http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4501.0 )
This is first question for me - S.M. alive or not?
Mannix posted it in 2006 but about what years of ? Present tense, 21 century? SM alive?
Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
? Reply #47 on: February 07, 2006, 06:32:18 AM ?
..._10    We have done a great deal of experimentation with permanent magnets with some very astounding results.
I could stop now and start over again with that subject alone. Has anyone ever read any of the reports about our experiments with what was called, the Magnetic shadow casting material? No it wasn't some kind of paint. But you would be fascinated with the amount of renewable energy you can extract from a permanent magnet! We went through about ten thousand dollars worth of Neodymium and Super Cobalt 404 magnetic material in our experiments. I could write volumes of information about that stuff. Those experiments tie in to our development of the power unit._...

Second question - perhaps toroid shape (somewhere was "like cork" ...) is molded from magnetic materials? 

K.Habe

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on May 06, 2008, 12:39:03 AM
http://www.kz1300.com/hfgc/

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on May 06, 2008, 03:38:15 AM
     These guys should make the leap to stop screwing around with the 60hertz and realize the copper mass will give up some energy stored in it's atomic electron orbital energy shells responding to a rf spike magnetic field disruption.
    How many antennaes does a spark  have to vibrate before someone notices that the spark could care less about what happens to the electro-magnetic field disruption (energy) that happens on down the time road.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: aleks on May 06, 2008, 08:41:14 AM
http://www.kz1300.com/hfgc/
This is somehow interesting. I was thinking about essense of speed of light limit for the last couple of days (well, years actually). I'm coming to a soft conclusion that speed actually translates to frequency in sub-atomic realm. You may compare that to a car's motor: the higher the frequency of rotation the higher the translatory speed. Since voltage is usually associated with the speed of electrons, voltage also affects some electron's internal frequencies (be it spin or anything else), and this frequency - in turn - may interact with AC frequency.

Now, about C... I think C may be related to some fundamental frequency limit of our universe. In signal processing this is known as Nyquist-Shannon-Kotelnikov frequency. Well, if anybody ever succeeds at breaking C a variety of "aliasing" effects may happen. Also, "phase warping" near Nyquist frequencies is also an effect known in digital signal processing (this is the main field of my expertise at the moment) - so, "relativistic" effects may arise from it as well. I know this sounds insane, but if we do live in an "illusion" (refer to films The Matrix, 13th Floor), we are doomed to find such bizzare "limits".
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on May 06, 2008, 04:53:52 PM
On the FTPU, I think I found a nice transistor and some other components.
There is a small circuit board under the shown components.
When he turns the TPU upside down, the small circuit board falls into his left palm.
Can anyone please confirm?

Next thing to figure out.
"They were run perpendicular to the travel of the collector wires."

This is impossible. Otherwise can anyone draw me what this means. You do not say perpendicular if wires are only crossed one horizontal and one vertical does not make something perpendicular. To have something perpendicular, it is coming out of something at 90 degrees, not just crossing over it. Like a nail partially nailed in a wall. The nail becomes perpendicular to the wall. So what does SM's perpendicular really mean?

Watching this video is beginning to be like watching a animated painting by Picasso. lol
But there is so much more to come.

EM this could be like the miniTPU just with bigger wings. lol
But. if I had one use for that transistor, it would be to create a short from the positive to between a coil of high induction and a primary, like on The Tesla Project thread. Pure Tesla style. I will be trying this soon when I know more about the rings.

SM knew all about the camera angle when he placed the FTPU on that VCR. He turned it CCW about 90 degrees so the circuit could be hidden by the toroid. SM tried his best to keep distracting with his hands on the FTPU. When the camera came close, he would throw his hands in front of the lens knowing it will brake the focus (sh&t). When he uses his left hand to place the magnet, which would have been an easy thing to do with only one hand, his right hand seems to be only holding the FTPU back side steady, but funny his index finger is smack dab on the switch. lol You can sense the sort of freeze in his motion since he was trying to do two precision movements at the same time. (see animation) lol

@stefan

If you read this, is it possible for some members to have a higher upload then the 50K. I am spending more time resizing these images and animations then anything else. Not that I would then hog up all the bandwidth but there is a time when spending hours to save a few bytes does not make any sense.

Two other things I think you can consider to have on the Forum.

1) A new link on the Home - Forum - Help etc., titled "Donations" (get a paypal address for this and you will see donations coming that will help the Forum (maybe to help other members - No, I don't need help. lol). I am sure there are some pretty serious people on or visiting the Forum that can donate via themselves and through their organizations.

2) Option for members to pay a yearly fee to be able to make higher uploads.

Thanks always for you good work.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on May 06, 2008, 04:57:22 PM
     Has anybody confirmed that there is light being radiated from the Otpu and Ftpu.  Electrons that are accelerated past the speed of light give off a blue light.  Happens in heavy water around neuclear fission machines.
      @ wattsup

      That transistor could be an scr .  The cap charges to x volts.  Then a ujt triggers the scr into conduction until the capacitor voltage drops below the minimum holding voltage of the scr.  One very nice semiconductor spark.  This circuit is old and used in dc motor variable speed drives.  It was the next step up from the old tube vsd.

      @ meggarman

     When you make your laminations for the transformers you insulate either sides to reduce eddy current losses. This is all in an attempt to direct the magnetic disruption caused by the primary input.  Now imagine the magnetic disruption directed not using steel.  The transformer core is saturated with a dc bias winding and the primary input magnetic response travels across the secondary wires not wasting time and energy rearranging magnetic domains in the steel.  Should improve the transformer efficiency to at least 105%.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on May 06, 2008, 05:22:37 PM
wattsup,

that's the same transistor/fet that both eldarion and i found. now that's 3. But some much wiser than us have already said that there are no active electronics in these devices...go figure.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on May 06, 2008, 06:59:37 PM
3-legged diodes?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on May 06, 2008, 08:03:55 PM
@Grumpy

      SCR has a trigger input and anode and cathode leads. \

   I posted a primitive schematic below that works like a crystal radio set but includes a feedback circuit to smack the antennae with a kick instead of relying on background noise for free energy.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on May 06, 2008, 08:27:52 PM
@Grumpy
      SCR has a trigger input and anode and cathode leads.

I know that.   I mentioned the 3-legged diode becuase it has three legs like a transistor, and is a "passive" device.

Even if you identify something in those video's - you are still "speculating" on how it is used.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on May 06, 2008, 09:22:48 PM
      @Grumpy

    I like SCR's because they can handle alot of shit.  I use to repair battery chargers for electric fork lifts and airport electric tractors where they were used extensively.  There they were used as part of a bridge rectifier circuit where diodes were used in the other legs.  The diodes were designed to pop before the scr's if the load was shorted and it worked.  High noise immunity and linear capability.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on May 06, 2008, 10:27:35 PM
this thread is going nowhere...
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: HopeForHumanity on May 06, 2008, 11:16:14 PM
this thread is going nowhere...

So are you...
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on May 07, 2008, 12:04:43 AM
this thread is going nowhere...

So are you...

You are one to talk...
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on May 07, 2008, 12:48:54 AM
this thread is going nowhere...

So are you...

You are one to talk...

@Grumpy

You must admit this thread, at least, has torsion and spin ;D
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on May 07, 2008, 01:03:44 AM
this thread is going nowhere...

So are you...

You are one to talk...

@Grumpy

You must admit this thread, at least, has torsion and spin ;D

wrong kind of torsion and spin  ;)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Motorcoach1 on May 07, 2008, 01:20:04 AM
chitter chatter spin  ::) hee haww
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: FatBird on May 07, 2008, 01:56:19 AM
Maybe Dave will come back with good news?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on May 07, 2008, 03:08:15 AM
sorry to veer off into the philosophical for a moment...

but what does it take for a thread to be considered "going somewhere?"

i ask in earnest.

a. is it when all are mostly in agreement on things?

b. is it when all are learning something?

c. is it when all would agree that the solution is getting closer?

d. is it when someone reports seeing something real while at the bench?

e. is it when tons of theories are abound?

f. is it when people have experimented with dozens of coils and circuits pumping hundreds of amperes?

g. could go on but...

how are we doing so far?
a. not yet, far from it, without better data/video, a diagram etc. won't happen unless by some miracle
b. some would be, but depends on current level
c. probably some agreement on this
d. not seen anything yet
e. got lots of that
f. seems to be a fair bit of this (not knocking it), no problem here

i wonder if any threads are going anywhere...
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on May 07, 2008, 03:47:08 AM
@Grumpy

You are right about the speculating, but I think most would rather speculate on something that has been keenly observed then having to speculate on the wind and the waves or on parables. We have been mulling over these devices for over a year and anything that can help point us in the right direction is surely worth it. Granted, some may feel that increasing the points of discovery will take the fun or the challenge out of this. Say what?

As far as this thread going nowhere - you ain't seen nothing yet!

But you know what, while some are working their asses off trying to put these pieces together, others are more worried if they are right or wrong about the ether having a vanilla or chocolate flavor (when we all know it's wild cherry). lol

Come on already, we need help here. Hello..........no one home. Ahhh Forget it!

By the way, what's it to you anyways?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on May 07, 2008, 03:52:42 AM
      I just did an experiment again to verify the catalytic properties of a kick.  I wrapped some copper magnet wire around a fluorescent bulb and put it to the output of a 4watt cb radio.  Then I pulsed the heater filament with 12volt while keying the mike with a rubber band.  The  40watt bulb lit not totally but at least 25percent.  If I talked into the mike you could see it on the bulb output.
You could also hear me speaking on my son's guitar amplifier upstairs (which was immediatelly reported with a degree of outrage) and my crystal radio receiver buzzed like a bumble bee.  I imagine any cb radio user on channel 16 could hear me and the bulb also.  Just 4watts making a billion trillion molecules jump around. 8)
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: plengo on May 07, 2008, 04:39:25 AM
Quote
I know some of you will disagree with this, but I really believe the following hypothesis:

Floyd Sweet just had a rotating Aether Vortex spinning between the 2 flat magnets.  Edwin Gray had it spinning inside his special tube.  Hubbard had it spinning inside his circumference of pulsing electromagnets.  The TESTATICA Device has it spinning inside the two large cans.  SM had it spinning inside sequentially pulsing control coils arranged in a Toroid.  These are just different ways of accomplishing the same thing.

That is why most of SM's TPUs wouldn't work upside down.  When he flipped them over, the spin came to a gradual stop.  That also coincides with what SM called the "INERTIA EFFECT".  In essence, SM proved that Aether will only spin in 1 direction in the northern hemisphere.  When flipped over, no Aether spin = no output.  Neither SM nor Floyd Sweet really knew the relevance of the spinning Aether Vortex.

Remember when Sweet accidentally shorted the 2 output wires & ICE formed.  Aether Spin in Coils Produces COLD ELECTRICITY!

Remember in one video where SM said "Now you tell me why it won't work upside down."  Yes, SM is a Very Brilliant Man, but at the time he really didn't understand that the TPU output power was coming from the Aether Vortex.

I think the foregoing facts are very important for a TPU Design Concept.
I am still at page 12, so, sorry if this has been covered already. I notice the mention of Floyd Sweet and remember one guy that went pretty far replicating his "Floyd Sweets SQM" resonating and creating lots of power just like these xTPUs (so many to name here). It is here  http://www.hyiq.org/Library/Floyd_Sweet-Archive.html

Fausto.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on May 07, 2008, 06:01:33 AM
@Grumpy

You are right about the speculating, but I think most would rather speculate on something that has been keenly observed then having to speculate on the wind and the waves or on parables. We have been mulling over these devices for over a year and anything that can help point us in the right direction is surely worth it. Granted, some may feel that increasing the points of discovery will take the fun or the challenge out of this. Say what?

As far as this thread going nowhere - you ain't seen nothing yet!

But you know what, while some are working their asses off trying to put these pieces together, others are more worried if they are right or wrong about the ether having a vanilla or chocolate flavor (when we all know it's wild cherry). lol

Come on already, we need help here. Hello..........no one home. Ahhh Forget it!

By the way, what's it to you anyways?

Look at what happens when someone offers "help".   Everyone shoves it up their arse sideways with a twist - thank you very freakin much sir!  - may I have another?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You want help?   

What will cause a torsion field to rotate?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
@plengo

Great post.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: b0rg13 on May 07, 2008, 06:18:53 AM
Quote
I know some of you will disagree with this, but I really believe the following hypothesis:

Floyd Sweet just had a rotating Aether Vortex spinning between the 2 flat magnets.  Edwin Gray had it spinning inside his special tube.  Hubbard had it spinning inside his circumference of pulsing electromagnets.  The TESTATICA Device has it spinning inside the two large cans.  SM had it spinning inside sequentially pulsing control coils arranged in a Toroid.  These are just different ways of accomplishing the same thing.

That is why most of SM's TPUs wouldn't work upside down.  When he flipped them over, the spin came to a gradual stop.  That also coincides with what SM called the "INERTIA EFFECT".  In essence, SM proved that Aether will only spin in 1 direction in the northern hemisphere.  When flipped over, no Aether spin = no output.  Neither SM nor Floyd Sweet really knew the relevance of the spinning Aether Vortex.

Remember when Sweet accidentally shorted the 2 output wires & ICE formed.  Aether Spin in Coils Produces COLD ELECTRICITY!

Remember in one video where SM said "Now you tell me why it won't work upside down."  Yes, SM is a Very Brilliant Man, but at the time he really didn't understand that the TPU output power was coming from the Aether Vortex.

I think the foregoing facts are very important for a TPU Design Concept.
I am still at page 12, so, sorry if this has been covered already. I notice the mention of Floyd Sweet and remember one guy that went pretty far replicating his "Floyd Sweets SQM" resonating and creating lots of power just like these xTPUs (so many to name here). It is here  http://www.hyiq.org/Library/Floyd_Sweet-Archive.html

Fausto.


@all , after reading this post... i guess i have to ask, we dont need to know exactly how the TPU works,...we just need to create a ....what ?....rotating Aether Vortex,...resonating...somthing like this,.....ummm

..and now we have better gear/stuff to use now days...we should be able to build a better one ?.....im talking about forget the TPU ( yes we think we know whats inside it..)and make one from scratch, as in a NEW design/model......we have a list of possible stuff right from it ? ..lay it out and what would you do but then replace parts with better gear( once its up and running).....something that can make a rotating Aether Vortex,. is the crunch ,, there must be some working examples out there already, but dust in a different configuration maybe?, does nature ever make any?. :-X
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Spider on May 07, 2008, 09:13:06 AM
Maybe we should change the topic into Steven Mark's Dust Buster....?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Dom on May 07, 2008, 01:14:30 PM
here's one build it, and play with it and wallah what a fluke you got something,  and learn from it
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on May 07, 2008, 01:43:17 PM
here's one build it, and play with it and wallah what a fluke you got something,  and learn from it

?? Where is it?

@Grumpy

Some may be waiting for an answer to your question about what will make a torsion field rotate.

I think they may need to know what a torsion field is first. They can read up on it.

One way is to remove one of the other two fields. This leaves two at 90 degrees to each other. What happens when you have two perpendicular fields running at the same frequency or harmonics of each other?
The one that can rotate will.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on May 07, 2008, 02:04:56 PM
      I just did an experiment again to verify the catalytic properties of a kick.  I wrapped some copper magnet wire around a fluorescent bulb and put it to the output of a 4watt cb radio.  Then I pulsed the heater filament with 12volt while keying the mike with a rubber band.  The  40watt bulb lit not totally but at least 25percent.  If I talked into the mike you could see it on the bulb output.
You could also hear me speaking on my son's guitar amplifier upstairs (which was immediatelly reported with a degree of outrage) and my crystal radio receiver buzzed like a bumble bee.  I imagine any cb radio user on channel 16 could hear me and the bulb also.  Just 4watts making a billion trillion molecules jump around. 8)

      You can spin the aether,  slap it,  blow a smoke ring through it,  compress it,
Energy will displace it.  To get free energy though you are going to have to move the aether about a form of matter that will convert some of it's mass into energy then allow the ambient electro-magnetic field to restore the mass of the matter.
   
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: squirrel on May 07, 2008, 05:34:04 PM
Hi guys this is my first post here I have been watching these threads for a long time I am a personal freind of LM for some 20+ years I am a Mechanic by trade and have been dabbling in electronics ever since I met LM and develope computer software on the side. I have good copies of all the available video.
I am a sceptic by nature and like the old proof in the pudding but I do love technology and I'm a great believer in thinking out of the box.
I do not want to create a fire storm here or dampen the enthusiasm you guys put into the SM TPU or any other projects on this forum.
I'm sure I will be severely reprimanded offline by Mr LM for my observations I am about to point out. Whilst I was reviewing the video I have, which I'm sure you all have,
my observation is in the video that shows the open 4 coil 2 laminated side TPU SM used to light the 2 lights in the very large vases.
When he walks back to the table with the lamps he is very very carefull to keep the power cords separated and his fingers well away form the protruding prongs, and his fingers are placed between the leads to unsure good separation, he then places the leads on the top board and hangs the leads over the side pausing for some conciderable time with his hand on the leads releasing them only when he is sure they are stable.
Does this sound or look like dead leads? oh the sound track is out of sinc by some 12.5 secs aswell on my copy it is. :o
Hey guys easy on me don't hit too hard this is my first post. I didnt mean for it to be negative but I thought I should post this observation as I don't seem to recall it being mentioned before.
If it has I aplologise.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: orbs on May 07, 2008, 09:37:34 PM
oh the sound track is out of sinc by some 12.5 secs aswell on my copy it is. :o

It's fully in sync on JD's DVD.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: squirrel on May 08, 2008, 03:07:01 AM
My mistake I rechecked the sound sync and it is 12 frames out not 12 secs
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Turz on May 08, 2008, 08:56:36 AM
@ Sparks

Have you read this?
http://electrodynamics.org.uk/
http://www.unifiedtheory.org.uk/

There is something useful?
I'll wait your posts

Thanks
Turz
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Janus20 on May 08, 2008, 11:49:50 AM
@ Sparks

Have you read this?
http://electrodynamics.org.uk/
http://www.unifiedtheory.org.uk/

There is something useful?
I'll wait your posts

Thanks
Turz

I submitted www.electrodynamics.co.uk/ to Peswiki yesterday. I was astonished at 1100 hits over 24 hours. The GoStats page rating shot up from 298 to 15
but it really means very little indeed.

I received not a single e-mail and only 5 people scanned the associated forum threads. The information is clearly seen as superficial entertainment only.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on May 08, 2008, 02:49:53 PM
@squirrel

We won't tell LM if you don't. lol
Welcome regardless.

In the OTPU video there is a first part and a second part. So I guess you are referring mostly to the second part where he wants to show the OTPU operation without the plug box.

As for the handling of lamp cords, I think you are saying that if the lights were loaded with batteries, the lamp cords would have current in them and risk of a possible shock if he touched the prongs. I don't know. When he moves the lamps by the top shade ring loop, and since those loops are only held by two small sliding tubes, I wonder if this is strong enough to hold so much battery weight. You can also see when he moves them that he is not over exerting himself and his fingers don't seem to be under extreme tension. Then again how much battery would you need to shoot that video.

For sure, the way he handles the plugs is suspicious, especially when he held one of the plugs pinched in his right hand fingers with the thumb held out of the way, like to not shock it. And when he put them on the floor about a foot apart. He had to make a conscious effort to do that. I do that all the time when I have two live wires.

Yes the wall outlet could have been just two dummy resistor equipped plugs. 

Question: You have a lamp that is plugged into AC line wall outlet. As you unplug the lamp, the questions are what will happen with AC and what will happen with DC. If anyone can answer this, and say there is a difference when you unplug an AC lamp compared to a DC lamp, then you can compare it to the video and have the answer.

While the plug is being pulled, there was a fraction of a second or so of looseness between the plug pins and the outlet.

Here is what I think will happen but I did not try this. I'll let someone else do it.

In AC I expect while the plug is being pulled, if there was any other interplay between the connections, the AC lamp would either be full on or off at every iteration. More or less contact will not make any difference in how bright the lamp lites.

In DC I expect while the plug is being pulled, if there was any other interplay between the connections, the DC lamp brightness would gradually go brighter gradually go lower as the connection increases. It would get brighter with more connection and less brighter with less connection.

Whatever it is, each will have their own signature that could be compared to the video. This could close the subject either way.

Also, after he plugs them into the wall, you see how bright the lamps are. This gives you the principal visual reference level. Then when he plugs the OTPU, everyone notices the OTPU is lighting the lamps yes, but lower then when they were plugged into the wall. When we see 91 volts, we then accept the notion that the OTPU is putting OUT less voltage then the wall outlet and that is why the lamp lites less bright, lol. This distracts from the notion that if the lamp had batteries, it would in fact light brighter when plugged into the wall compared to when it was plugged on the added load of the OTPU. lol This would also explain why those scrawny four windings got hot to the touch. lol

Also when he plugged the second lamp onto the OTPU, this gives the impression that the device is putting OUT double the power, on demand. lol

He puts the meter on the OTPU. He never puts the meter on the load, hence the lamps. I think this would be a prerequesite when doing future demos. Put a meter on the load and show 0 volts when the switch is one way or the other.

So there is in fact a very good possibility that the OTPU never worked but as Jack said, he was looking for something else to attract his investors. Most likely, the TPU worked but not OU and he needed to go to the next level which became the small Donuts. Maybe the TPU made 45 volts of the 91 and batteries in the lamps closed the next level.

Question: Do you need less DC volts compared to AC volts to produce the same luminosity.

Then again, there is the other possibility that the device really works and further observation is the next choice. Which we are all doing now.

Good call.

@All

I am in the process of producing a comprehensive FTPU wiring diagram and when you see where the wires are going to and from the circuit boards, coils and loop rings, etc., this will give you a better understanding on how the device is put together. I took me a few days just to figure out how to portray the wiring in four levels (top up, top under, bottom up and bottom under) and decided finally to do it as if you had a 4 layer circuit board always looking from the top. This has simplified how to show the wiring perspective and is very revealing.

@otto

It will be worth it to wait another few days for this.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: plengo on May 08, 2008, 05:46:16 PM
I thought this was relevent to TPU.  http://montalk.net/notes/tesla-wireless-technology

Fausto.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: FatBird on May 08, 2008, 05:48:46 PM
Nice diagrams.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: innovation_station on May 08, 2008, 06:07:45 PM
hey guys got a question for you all!!

if we have say low voltage and high amparage say like a car battery ...  12vdc x amps what is the polar oppsite to low voltage high amparage well it has to be hivoltage low amparage... do batteryies and caps not work as translating devices??

if this is the case could you not just......


ist
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on May 09, 2008, 12:09:21 AM
@Janus 20


       Thankyou!  I briefly studied Walter Russel's work and came to an understanding of the octave arrangement of elements and the relavance of good conductors being a 7electron configuration with a weakly dipole bonded electron.   Free energy can be garnished from conversion of electron mass to translatory energy without neuclear fission or fusion.  This is easily explained by establishment physics using their own words and accepted doctrine.   Your work should be an inspiration to all who believe the world needs an energy revolution now.  Man's  of the plant world needs to end now.
Biofuel is bullshit.  What are we gonna breath and eat.  Just so oil companies don't have to invest in their distribution system to carry liquid hydrogen.  These idiots can't see beyond the next quarters corporate bottom line.  The Japaneese aren't messing around with biofuel,  they're producing hydrogen powered vehicles.  What could they have up their sleeve?  I suggest they have  Tesla transformer technology in place and plan on hydrolizing salt water. 
   As you stated the steam engine is the worst shit man ever came up with and needs to be melted down for the metals to make terrestrial powerd electrical converters.  Iron and copper bifilar windings excited with a hf pulse will accelerate a magnetic field in a predictable manner and garnish 10,000 fold the input energy from conversion of electron mass to translatory energy.  Anybody who tells you it can't be done is either an idiot or a liar.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: FatBird on May 09, 2008, 01:17:04 AM
Good points Sparks.

Thanks.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: HopeForHumanity on May 09, 2008, 07:25:19 AM
The people who believe a "HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban" thread is going no where, have clearly missed the point of the thread. It is general discussion of the video's, not a pure engineering thread. I think some people get caught up in the dynamics of it all, and forget the point in the first place.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on May 09, 2008, 03:15:13 PM
   In the open tpu it appears that sm has his voltmeter leads stuck in a coil perpendicular to the other two disks.  I am wondering if this coil acts like a current transformer winding does for changing current into voltage.  Wrapped around where the spin field would be producing lots of current.   Maybe someone could upload a picture of the optpu where he has the voltmeter leads stuck in. (Maybe the batteries are in the voltmeter. ;D) 
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on May 09, 2008, 05:50:07 PM
@sparks

That's not a coil. It is a standard round speaker connection where you just hold down a red or black lever and insert the wire, or in this case his meter terminals.

@all

While I am maximizing my wiring diagram, I can say that the FTPU is composed of:

- top and bottom ring has a  center horizontal loop of three turns, lamp wire (maximum 16 awg) (collector)
- two vertical coils wound 180 degrees each of 18 awg wire (control coil) over the collector.
- one coil wound around 360 degrees on each ring using a thin wire. (feedback)
- the top ring and bottom rings are the same but the bottom ring is turned 90 degrees.
- one wire of each toroid coil is going to the circuit board
- one wire from each side of the top control coils is going to the circuit board.
- the two power output wires have two wires each,
- the negative output wire (left) has one bottom collector wire and one bottom feedback coil wire.
- the positive output wire (right) has one top collector wire and one top feedback coil wire.
- there is a wire going from the circuit board to the big white capacitor

I will work to finalize the diagram this weekend. It will show some of the control coil winding directions, etc.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on May 09, 2008, 06:45:20 PM
   @Wattsup

  One theory on dynamics to hardware hits the shit can. ;D

  The other day when the 3 legged packaged electronics component was being discussed, one of the obvious things not mentioned was it's size and lack of a heatsink.  (And it sure as hell wasn't a tube)
It looks like SM's oscillator ss device doesn't handle much power.  Just enough I speculate to get a hf spike/spikes to circumnavigate his dragless dynamo.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: plengo on May 10, 2008, 06:52:37 AM
@wattsup

thank you man for your efforts. I am unpatiently waiting for your diagram.

@the others that still believe in TPU

great guys, great job. Let's get this baby understood and soon getting it running.

@Those criticizing

spare us from reading nonsence and useless criticism. We are here really trying to change the world for better. Open a thread and call it "useless criticism" and excercise your finger muscles there as much as you want.

Fausto.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: buzz-ard on May 10, 2008, 07:32:03 PM
Funny how one has to see something many times before it sinks in. I read Marco's PDF again yesterday and now understand that Jack Durban is right - SM did not invent this device. He reverse-engineered one that he acquired somewhere. Which leads to another point Jack made: There are other devices out there, therefore the TPU is definitely real and can be replicated. I feel certain that SM did at least some work of his own to improve the device and went through several discovery processes, like all of us here at Overunity.com are doing now.

If SM could do it, so can we.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on May 10, 2008, 10:44:31 PM
I read Marco's PDF again yesterday and now understand that Jack Durban is right - SM did not invent this device. He reverse-engineered one that he acquired somewhere.

what evidence is there that led you to believe this?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: slapper on May 11, 2008, 02:19:18 AM
HC-49U(?) Crystal?

(http://www.phonecotech.com/OverU/FTpuCrystal1.gif)

Take care.

nap
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on May 11, 2008, 03:15:02 AM
If I had to guess....a capacitor... perhaps this one?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on May 11, 2008, 03:36:56 AM
Now that looks like and audio transformer or choke. The reason? Even then most power transformers had a metal shell (even at RS). Many audio transformers or power chokes did not (especially at RS).

The brown binding could be a rubber band but it is more likely the waxed cable binder (waxed string) used by virtually all TV repair folk then and for a long time before.
Great stuff for avoiding vibration problems. If I still had some I would rather use that than spiro-band or ty-wraps.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on May 11, 2008, 03:59:36 AM


I believe you may be right Bep...that looks exactly like the audio transformers of the day.

I see a lot of things in that tpu, common with speaker and amp set-ups.

Regards...

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on May 11, 2008, 05:14:40 AM
Something wasn't quite right about the audio transformer idea so I pulled out an old ARRL handbook.
Transformer color codes (at least standard ones) did not use white wires on the primary or secondary, slate either.
Also I don't recall ever seeing white wires on the secondary. However, slate, white and other light colored wires, of the same color, were used on power chokes. (the type generally found between the smoothing caps on the B+ line)
Red was common on the B+ line after the rectifiers. Slate, yellow and white were found on switching mode power supply output filters. Almost all are now toroidal or cylindrical. Then they were still seen on E cores and would usually only have two leads.

I had to watch the DVD again  :P I still don't see active devices of any kind - Tranny's FETs etc. The three legged device looks more like an epoxy dipped booster coil (they looke identical to flat radial lead mylar caps except the leads could be heavier and they had color bands or dots for coding.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on May 11, 2008, 05:31:40 AM
If I had to guess....a capacitor... perhaps this one?

as slapper suggested, it looks more like a HC-49US crystal, but decide for yourselves
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on May 11, 2008, 05:48:55 AM
OOOOOOOOOhhhhh!!!! a crystal!  Whoa!  Stop the presses!

either could  produce "sustained oscillations"


On the open-TPU - the second one - the bifilar wires - where is the collector?

The square things that SM places magnets on top of - why are these wrapped in tape?  What sort of device has this shape?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: b0rg13 on May 11, 2008, 06:18:35 AM
OOOOOOOOOhhhhh!!!! a crystal!  Whoa!  Stop the presses!

either could  produce "sustained oscillations"


On the open-TPU - the second one - the bifilar wires - where is the collector?

The square things that SM places magnets on top of - why are these wrapped in tape?  What sort of device has this shape?


>>>   What sort of device has this shape? <<<

im almost affraid to ask, do tell.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on May 11, 2008, 06:37:24 AM
litle square thign with like 4 coils on it.  magnet was used to bias it.   of corse it is covered with tape so no one can see it.

I don ;t think SM was given the tech or stole it or copied it - he stumbled across it and pursued it.

much simpler ways I suppose - at least wud seam so.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Feynman on May 11, 2008, 10:32:36 AM
That looks like a  crystal to me,  but I have known to been wrong approx 77.4938% of the time.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on May 11, 2008, 02:14:51 PM
@slapper

Crystal was my first choice also. This will  have to be tested. What advantage would a crystal have over a capacitor in the FTPU and what is required as peripheral components when using a crystal.

@BEP

I have been looking at that component for a long time now and I think it is simply a four pin bridge rectifier. There are two ring wires one from the top and the other from the bottom ring going there and then two wires leave it and go to the output.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: slapper on May 11, 2008, 02:56:26 PM
I really did not want to see the crystal. The crystal goes against my line of thinking of this thing. A crystal usually requires some active circuitry and it infers higher frequencies (1Mhz to 100Mhz for that particular package) at relative stable tolerance levels. The active circuitry could involve a transistor or fet or logic; none of which is visible to me. A very common frequency in this package is the color burst frequency.

Take care.

nap
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on May 11, 2008, 03:14:44 PM
OOOOOOOOOhhhhh!!!! a crystal!  Whoa!  Stop the presses!

either could  produce "sustained oscillations"


On the open-TPU - the second one - the bifilar wires - where is the collector?

The square things that SM places magnets on top of - why are these wrapped in tape?  What sort of device has this shape?


   If sm has a current going round and round he needs to convert it to voltage  somewhere along the line.   Using the Hall effect to make an ammeter that converts the magnetic field change to voltage would be one way.   He uses a handheld ammeter like mechanics use to check dc current draw when he is checking out his tapedup tpus. 
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on May 11, 2008, 03:16:50 PM
@slapper

But there is a transistor in the FTPU. I have shown it here;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4486.msg94447.html#msg94447

I have seen this transistor is many angles and even upside down when the FTPU is turned over, it lands in the palm of the left hand. There is no doubt there is a small circuit board behind the toroid. On the circuit board, you can even see there is a slow blow type fuse, a transistor, a resistor, two diodes (in short metal cylinders), and a capacitor.

Also right behind the crystal, I think I can see a potentiometer. lol
Would a pot be required with a crystal?

I will be posting my diagram today even though it is not complete at least it will give you guys some advance and I can update it with new discoveries. I am trying to see the direction of windings etc., but it's not easy at all.

ADDED:

@sparks

I read your other post also and kind of catch what you are saying.

I seems that voltage is easy to produce, it is the amperage that has me puzzled. Where in the TPU can you generate amperage. It has to be in a conductor with many parallel wires. Would standard lamp wire apply even thought the standards are not isolated like in Litz wire.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on May 11, 2008, 04:09:00 PM
@wattsup

   If sm gets a rotating magnetic field going the collector copper will get alot of current going around in it.  The surface area of the copper will be carrying this current. Multistranded copper has umpteen more surface area than solid.  So my answer is yes.
  The copper lamp cord collector winding becomes a capacitor for the kick energy.  Storing energy in a highcurrent low voltage electromagnetic spin field.  Now you need to get this capacitor discharged into the load or over to the lamps.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on May 11, 2008, 04:37:57 PM
@sparks

OK I get it.

@all

Damn upload limit. I have put up an accepted file size drawing of the wiring on the FTPU that I have put up so far. I had to add more things but did not want to wait anymore and get this out there. I'll make changes as required. Sorry for such a low file size limit on the Forum but I have uploaded a larger version here;

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get57

In the diagram you will notice three rings colored orange, blue and yellow. I have done this to separate the ring windings. The orange ring is the horizontal loop collector. The blue ring is the first primary vertical winding called the control coils. The yellow ring will show the thin wire coil known as the feedback. Just remeber that the blue and yellow ring are actually wound over the orange ring.

wattsup
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: mikestocks2006 on May 11, 2008, 04:59:32 PM
In the diagram you will notice three rings colored orange, blue and yellow. I have done this to separate the ring windings. The orange ring is the horizontal loop collector. The blue ring is the first primary vertical winding called the control coils. The yellow ring will show the thin wire coil known as the feedback. Just remeber that the blue and yellow ring are actually wound over the orange ring.
wattsup

wattsup Nice work!
@ all
A simple question,

Why is the collector the horizontal orange ring? (to borrow from wattsup pic above)
Why not have that loop as the emitter (control) and the blue (toroid) be the collector? There is a step up in voltage out anyway(about 100V on the small TPUs, 800V for the large ones). Shouldn't it be going from low turns to high turns? etc?

Thanks
Just looking for the basic principles of operation.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: FatBird on May 11, 2008, 05:30:38 PM
Speaking of a ROTATING FIELD to drive the TPU.  Every PC Fan has a BRUSHLESS Motor.  If you take it apart, it is a 3 PHASE MOTOR.  There is a small circuit board with Transistors that create 3 Phase Power to drive the Motor Coils.  Brilliant design at Low Cost.  However, because it has transistors, it can be EASILY damaged by over voltage spikes!!

I had a PC Fan once that was making a Growling Noise.  It turned out to be 1 PHASE OUT.  The Motor was still barely turning on 2 Phases.  Amazing little things.

My Question is:  COULD a PC 3 Phase Fan Circuit Board be used to drive 3 Control Windings on a TPU?



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Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: slapper on May 11, 2008, 05:37:22 PM
wattsup: Thank you for your hard work... and courage.

Take care.

nap
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on May 11, 2008, 05:45:55 PM
@Milestock

   This thing of SM's produces a turbine like magnetic field that is guided by the copper collector.
It's not your usual turns to turns voltage increaser.  The actual magnetic field spin is being stored in the collector copper so all bets are off as far as the tpu acting as a voltage transformer.  The real majic is down in the kick windings.   Spike catalyst conversion of atomic mass to translatory energy.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: mikestocks2006 on May 11, 2008, 06:00:11 PM
@Milestock

   This thing of SM's produces a turbine like magnetic field that is guided by the copper collector.
It's not your usual turns to turns voltage increaser.  The actual magnetic field spin is being stored in the collector copper so all bets are off as far as the tpu acting as a voltage transformer.  The real majic is down in the kick windings.   Spike catalyst conversion of atomic mass to translatory energy.

Well, it's not clear what the principle of operation is, and thus the question(s). Just questioning the basics, before building up. Kinda like understanding/designing a house foundation before arguing what color to paint the walls so to speak.
Are you 100% sure that the collector is the loop and not the toroid coil?
Thanks
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on May 11, 2008, 06:15:54 PM
Speaking of a ROTATING FIELD to drive the TPU.  Every PC Fan Motor has a Brushless Motor.  If you take it apart, it is a 3 PHASE MOTOR.  There is a small circuit board with Transistors that create 3 Phase Power to drive the Motor Coils.  Brilliant design at Low Cost.  However, because it has transistors, it can be EASILY damaged by over voltage spikes!!

I had a PC Fan once that was making a Growling Noise.  It turned out to be 1 PHASE OUT.  The Motor was still barely turning on 2 Phases.  Amazing little things.

My Question is:  COULD a PC 3 Phase Fan Circuit Board be used to drive 3 Control Windings on a TPU?

    I have a 15kw three phase vfd running a blower motor.  It's carrier freq is 4khz.  The fake sinsuoidial 60hz is controlled by amplitude modulation. The carrier freq is putting out a boatload more power than 15kw.  First it makes the 80pound motor jump up and down 4000 times a second,  the noise from this phenomenon creates a high pitched ringing sound.  It blanks out am radio receivers for a 1/4 mile radius.  Gets into my telephone lines etc.  All this extra power and not a single watt draw to produce it from the grid. ;)   I have a spare 5hp 3phase inverter on hand.  I was thinking of dumping just the carrier into a steel/copper kick coil whose magnetic shift is experienced by a  "special" transformer secondary.  Measure the watts in and out and if it has gain feed some of the power back to the caps in the inverter.
Then turn off the switch to the grid and light up some lamps.   I don't think I need to wrap it all up in black electricians tape though. >:(   
    I think the motor/generator you are describing has been done before.  Martinez Molan or something like that.  Stephan has a topic about it on this forum.  When you had single phase out your motor was acting as a rotary phase converter.  I've built plenty of these.



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Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: FatBird on May 11, 2008, 06:26:06 PM
@ Sparks

Thank you for explaining that.  It really sounds very interesting.  Maybe you could post a brief schematic showing the connections & what frequency is on which wire.


Thanks.
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Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on May 11, 2008, 07:24:32 PM
My Question is:  COULD a PC 3 Phase Fan Circuit Board be used to drive 3 Control Windings on a TPU?

Yes. Keep in-mind those outputs are limited in current and voltage. You'll have to have some form of middle device (MOSfet or other device) to do the work.
Excellent observation on the polyphase arrangement. The same can be true on computer drives of all types.
Another item to be aware of is the ring magnet that rotates around these 3-phase coils is the same magnetic polarity all the way around except on one spot. This is the point that creates movement by its attraction/repulsion from the motor coils. There may be variations of this.

These motor coils are fired in groups. You should see they are wired in groups of three. I have seen those in groups of other odd numbers.

You should find it easier to throw a few transistors together to replace the motor controller. This would give you a better chance of varying the phase relationship between the poles.

Lookup 'rat-race' circuits done by others on this forum or look into adding a third stage to a simple transistor multivibrator. If you choose to build a multivibrator you can replace the resistor in each stage with a variable resistor so you can control the phase relationship between pulses.

>>Edit...
While most think this firing sequence is only around the circumference I think it may also be vertical from one collector to another. On the 3 collector TPUs you can series the control from one collector with the next collector. This would not only create rotation around the axis but would also create a vertical movement (of what I'm not sure of yet).
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on May 11, 2008, 07:38:14 PM
Also right behind the crystal, I think I can see a potentiometer. lol
Would a pot be required with a crystal?

If it is a crystal and there is a pot then it is not uncommon to add another device, like a cap, pot, coil or combinations, to give some extra control or shift from the crystal frequency.

Like said many times before, colorburst comes to mind. Easy crystal to obtain, has to do with TVs, frequency seems related to TPU frequencies mentioned. I could see a TPU resonating at 3.58MHz or some division or multiple of that. With a Pot maybe even 35.705kHz ?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Peterae on May 11, 2008, 08:44:22 PM
If it is a crystal it would much more likely be a variable capacitance which would also be coloured to indicate the value, most comonly yellow or green in uk tv's.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: buzz-ard on May 12, 2008, 12:13:47 AM
I read Marco's PDF again yesterday and now understand that Jack Durban is right - SM did not invent this device. He reverse-engineered one that he acquired somewhere.

what evidence is there that led you to believe this?

@Poynt - I know it really doesn't matter where it came from - it was just a moment of clarity. I'm only going by words attributed to SM in a document named "Steven_Mark_TPU_compilation.pdf" that I found on OverUnity.com. Not trying to make a stink here - I'm still finding threads and messages I haven't seen before. Look on pages 54 & 55 for what seems to support my assertion.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on May 12, 2008, 12:32:14 AM
hi
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on May 12, 2008, 01:44:01 AM
A chronology of events:

- SM discovers and strikes the first magical chord with tube gens. and amps. presumably this is with his own coil device of his own construction

- SM tries to replicate/duplicate the first working unit for months with no success

- SM eventually gets the replicas working, but does not mention what the stupid reason was

- Attempts to make the control unit with SS devices, but the SS units would not keep the TPU on frequency. Again months go by without success.

-SM talks to his TV chump and figures out all the "quirks" to make it work, including: special pcb material, raised components off pcb, control unit inside of ring.

so, from the above, which was taken directly from the pages you mentioned, I'd say that the TPU is an SM original. Yep he had help, so there are one or two other chaps out there that know how the thing works, but they're not talking. That's what he meant by "I had a great deal of help". SM is not an engineer, but he had one or two on staff with him to help work out the kinks during the TPU's development. so once out of the tube realm and into SS, things become a little less straight-forward.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on May 12, 2008, 04:20:27 AM
@MAC

What do you mean. A diode?

@All

When something does not seem right, chances are it isn't. Please look at the following grab of the big white capacitor. Perspective it everything, what do you see now.

Also, the output that BEP thinks is a transformer and I thought was a bridge rectifier is not that at all. lol
Check the two next grabs.
The first one was taken when the output was not connected to the meter.
The second one was taken as the output is being connected.
Holy wire output Batman, it's a wire guide. lol
One less thing to worry about. Great!
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: infringer on May 12, 2008, 04:34:25 AM
Whatssup ...

Your diagrams have been rather nice but its tuff to see what you see with such blurry pictures...

Reminds me of this picture I once saw looked like an ugly old lady and when you turned it 180 degrees it looked like a decent looking woman...

Old drunken picture before beer and after comparison... Good little joke hehe...

But point being its a bit hard to see...

Anyhow take care and keep up the good work shame Jack D is unable to confirm much of anything about the device I would have studied the thing closely if I had seen the results of the unit first hand and am awfully supprised he did not.

-infringer-
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on May 12, 2008, 04:42:34 AM
@poynt

    SM discovers that you get an anomalous voltage spike working on 3d phonics systems.  Figures out if you put a pulse down a copper wire parallel or bifilar run with an iron wire it shoots the magnetic field around.  Already knows the power of a kick from Tesla's work and working on tesla coils in flybacks on tv sets.  (They shoot the mag field around big time)  Tries to package something that resembles a Tesla dynamic rotating field transformer.   Wraps it up with black tape and spends months trying to proove there are no batteries in his units so some chump will buy a product that Tesla patented 100 years ago.  Real fucking hero.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on May 12, 2008, 05:48:46 AM
- SM eventually gets the replicas working, but does not mention what the stupid reason was

it has been menioned a few times
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on May 12, 2008, 05:53:10 AM
@mikestocks2006

Sorry for not answering your questions. The choice of using control, collector and feedback is pretty standard here and if they are wrong, we will fix it by consensus. It is not for me to really say what they are but had to use something to get the ball rolling. The main point is I tried to put the FTPU in a format that can separate the visual understanding of the rings and coils versus the levels.

@Loner

Trying to take a grab of the circuit board is difficult because you can only really see it when you are using the VirtualDubMod software at 400 and panned using the null transform feature, some brightness, but most importantly while you are moving through three or four frames. Also the upload limit of 50k on the forum is a killer for alot of the images because they have to be cut down so much. I put an animation of the circuit board seen as he turns the ftpu over. If you want, I can e-mail the larger image of the wiring diagram to you directly.

@infringer

I know sometimes it's hard to see. In the image above (ftpu-yellow1.jpg), can you see a 9 volts battery and not a capacitor. Of course, I may be wrong. The images are the best they can be given the circumstances. Usually when I can really see something it is because of the things done as explained to @Loner. Sometimes, you can only see something clearly on one frame and it's gone on the frames before and after. lol

More to come. The good thing is the more you know about what you are looking at, the less they distract you from finding more discrete parts.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: poynt99 on May 12, 2008, 02:33:43 PM
- SM eventually gets the replicas working, but does not mention what the stupid reason was

it has been menioned a few times

it's not the pcb material or the fact the components need to be raised, and it's not the fact the components need to be inside the ring, because at this stage he's still using tubes, so what was it then?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on May 12, 2008, 03:16:19 PM
- SM eventually gets the replicas working, but does not mention what the stupid reason was

it has been menioned a few times

it's not the pcb material or the fact the components need to be raised, and it's not the fact the components need to be inside the ring, because at this stage he's still using tubes, so what was it then?

Well, if you read the entire passage from SM about the "really stupid reason" - he's talking about SS control of the device.

Quote
If just these two little things are important discoveries, how far off are all the guys out there trying design their own control devices?   So tell them what I have said and listen to them all scream balderdash!! Haresy!!! And then you can tell them that we found out way back then...

It is because the material some PC boards are made out of can absorb humidity... So.... depending on the conditions of humidity of the specific day, the boards would change the characteristics of the SS control circuits.

It took us a long time just to find that little thing out... we never thought of it. no one ever thought of it.... BUT, it turned out to be a very significant thing and so we used the absolute finest PC board material the government used in missiles and rockets... You see, even though no one knows about the PC board material being important to sensitive instruments and SS devices, the government did... So we learned, and learned...

SM also mentioned several other things that were important to the operation of the units such as proximity to metallic objects was detrimental.  He said that they do work inside aircraft (to 15000 feet), so perhaps there is a particular distance that metallic objects can be from the device without causing problems.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on May 12, 2008, 03:16:47 PM
Quote from SM regarding "proximity to metallic objects":

Quote
YES, reaction has played a part in the development of my technology.
YES, we also used two different metals in the development of the technology.
NO, it is not easy to sink the heat from the unit whilst in operation. This is because:
Any large piece of metal, including aluminum, placed close to the unit will change it's operational characteristics, and so it stops, etc. You can operate the unit in close proximity of metal but not bolted to it.We tried to make a water proof unit and submerge it in water but that proved to be a disaster!
Aye, therein lies the rub.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on May 12, 2008, 04:13:36 PM
@Grumpy

About no metal near the device. What if this is really because his toroid core is actually a NeoMagnet. Of course then you would not want any metal around because it would stick to toroid so hard that it would both ruin the winding and give away the core material.

As for the circuit board, all the components "are" raised at least 1/2" or slightly more.

Now the real guts to the device will start coming into focus when the control coil windings start becoming more evident, which is what I am working on now.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on May 12, 2008, 04:22:57 PM
What if this is really because his toroid core is actually a NeoMagnet.

Aluminum, which SM mentions, is not ferromagnetic.


Anyone determine where the collector is on the open-TPU?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on May 12, 2008, 05:24:54 PM
   Good observation Wattsup.  Right before they ship a neomagnet they fill er up with magnetic flux.


     @Grumpy

   Moisture as well as altitute time of day and year all effect the dielectric properties of the field.  This will all effect the purity of the kick to some degree.  Just like it effects radio wave transmission and propogation.  Of course metals on the other hand will effect the magnetic resonance of the field or the response of the field to "pure energy" displacement

    tpu analogy:

  Lower ring speaker   Upper ring ear drum

   Lower ring motor stator   Upper ring motor rotor

 Lower ring primary      Upper ring secondary

 Lower ring inertial frameA   Upper ring inertial frame B


     
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: plengo on May 12, 2008, 05:30:35 PM
could I propose to whenever we have pictures taken from the video we specify where in the video it is? such as the timestamp so that for those that have the video and a good software such as virtualdub could recheck the image in more depth.

Fausto.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on May 12, 2008, 07:43:51 PM
@plengo

You're right about that. I was putting the frame numbers either on the image or in the post but forgot for the recent ones.

@Grumpy

On the OTPU, to determine where the collector can be located will require more looking around. Especially to better identify what is in the coil#3. One good thing we noticed recently is that the OTPU has a toroid hiding behind the vertical circuit board (Leg #1).

But, if I take the similiar control/collector relationship of the FTPU and extend it to the OTPU, I would have to say the control coil of the OTPU has a dual purpose with two wires wound around the lower ring but each wire has at least two conductors as a twisted pair. In each wire, one of the conductors is the control, the other the collector. Now if each wire was a four conductor twisted, this would give three wires per collector ring and one wire for the control. This would equal more the FTPU arrangement.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on May 13, 2008, 12:43:31 AM
hi
@to all
THING  HOW YOU  WHILL MAKE  THIS   LETS SAY TORID CORE   TO MAKE      LIKE MY DIVICE <<I PUT  50HZ   AND  I HAVE 200 HZ OUT 
THIS I HAVE MADE  WHIT OUT ENY KIND  OF ELKTRONICS  MY ANTHER STEPP IS 
50HZ  IN  TO MY COIL  AND   5000 HZ  OUT TO MY  EXIT COIL
 
                                                THAT IS THE ANSFER
MORE  OUT HZ  MORE AND MORE POWER  WHIT  VERY SMALL IN HZ  AND SMALL  IN ENRGY
MORE HZ   MORE SMALL IN ENRGY
THIS   IS IMPORTANT  YOU DONT NEEED   BIG FREK  IN TO HAVE  BIG FREK IN   ;) ;) ;)
                                                  STRANGE  BUT IS REAL THING
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: mercurymmm on May 14, 2008, 05:43:27 AM
I met Jack Durban in 1994.  He does not have the original footage.  He surreptitiously recorded it from my VHS demonstration to him.  I hired Durban on several projects.  He's a crackpot!

I know the whereabouts of Steven and the info on UEC...

Mercury Marilla
mercurymmm@yahoo.com
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: slapper on May 14, 2008, 06:01:11 AM
@mercurymmm:

I think you will find that we have a one track mind here.

If you have something to offer that will give us more insight as to how to reproduce Steven's work we will be all ears.

Take care.

nap
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Grumpy on May 14, 2008, 06:03:10 AM
I met Jack Durban in 1994.  He does not have the original footage.  He surreptitiously recorded it from my VHS demonstration to him.  I hired Durban on several projects.  He's a crackpot!

I know the whereabouts of Steven and the info on UEC...

Mercury Marilla
mercurymmm@yahoo.com

Steven's efforts have not been in vain...

All ears here.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: buzz-ard on May 14, 2008, 08:10:33 AM
@Mercury - I, too, will treat you with respect for sharing with us (or not). Anything at all may be helpful. Ignore those who will surely post negative thoughts.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on May 14, 2008, 12:43:55 PM
Well regardless of where it came from, a video in our hands, is worth 100 in the bush.

Especially with VirtualDubMod I can now zoom in so close. lol

The FTPU is slowly giving up its secrets.

Added: (Could not help it. lol)

"I hired Durban on several projects.  He's a crackpot!"

I can understand someone making a mistake and hiring a crackpot for one project, but several? JD must be a very highly qualified crackpot, or maybe the person doing the hiring needs to re access this statement.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: starcruiser on May 14, 2008, 03:47:31 PM
@mecurymm,

Would love to see any info you could share to help this project along. a cleaner video or more info as to patents or other relevant info is always appreciated. as was mentioned prior, "I am all ears"!
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on May 14, 2008, 04:13:22 PM
   Please show us SM's safety kill switch first though.  I like having brakes when I drive my
energy conversion machine.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: innovation_station on May 14, 2008, 04:38:01 PM
the kill switch as i would think is a mucury switch just flip it over...   but safty percautions  a fuse at a min mabe work with some small diodes so they will fry first should they need to no?

what else? some kind of simple over load portect?

humm must keep it simple tho  8)

ist

a side note...

just thinking but if you got a slight vibration could you not utialize that tiny mechanical movement with the liquid switch?
but i just love those reeds ...  they are so neat how you can make em work  :)

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Earl on May 14, 2008, 05:46:50 PM
@wattsup

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Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on May 14, 2008, 06:23:01 PM
Hello all,

as some of you may know, the TPU uses different configurations, which can tell volumes to the insightful person.  It's an oportunity to "curve fit" the theories and find a match.

Well, I followed SMs advice to visit a library and not just Google away,  and I recently visited an engineering library and my eyes quickly set on the IEEE  Transactions on Magnetics.  

I picked up a volume from the 1960's  and I was just so impressed by what I read.  These were the days when magnetics were explored in detail for computer storage and other purposes.    Configurations involving rings and coils galore. 

Among all these I found a wealth of information on PARAMETRONS and PARAMETRIC oscillations, and FLUX GATE magnetometers, etc..   Among them was even a paper on using IRON WIRE as the variable inductor for the PARAMETERIC oscillation.

There is no doubt in my mind that this is the principle of SMs device.    These devices can take a number of forms and shapes as can be verified by a literature search.  The basic principle is to pulse a CONTROL coil at a pump frequency of 2F,  where F is the main oscillating frequency.     In other words,   the CONTROL coils varry the inductance of a coil,  and if a capacitor is connected to this coil,  natural oscillations will begin at HALF the pump frequency.   This is a type of SUBHARMONIC oscillator.

So where does the energy come from?  Well, if you tune the parametron to the right frequency,   you might not need a pump frequency, the ambient magnetic field will pump it and supply the energy.  These devices also make good, small portable magnetic dipole antennas, as I have found a few patents on them for communicating with divers.

The energy comes from the electromagnetic waves around us, and these devices are an ingeneous magnetic antennas.    The trick is to tune to the right frequency, and there appears to be quite a bit of energy in the 4 to 6 kHz range, judging from graphs posted by various VLF signal processing stations.   Perhaps a signal from a man made radiator can also be taped into. (at higher frequencies magnetics become quite lossy, so there is a reason for operating in the kHz range)

I'm exploring these concepts in detail and I'll let you know if I hit any magical frequencies.  

EM

P.S.  Welcome to Mercury Marilla.,  also I added an excerpt from a patent I found a while ago, just to illustrate the simplicity of it all.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: PI-Rob on May 14, 2008, 07:53:49 PM
reading EM devices info,
I just found this  US.3553477 patent online that shows delay coils & caps wound on 3 phase wires
may be useful to help us some how.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3553477.pdf

Rob..
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: innovation_station on May 14, 2008, 08:22:51 PM
 @ emdevices nice post!

i have this old book form 1963 there bouts about how things work yep you would not beleave the technolagies written in those old boks...

i might get to fishing a few pages out of it soon

ist
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: sparks on May 14, 2008, 08:51:58 PM
   @emdevices

   It is nice to see that someone else knows you can make a dc generator without coupling it to a tree burner prime mover.  The fundamental thing I teach all my electromechanical device repair employees is that when you change the magnetic field around a conductor you will develop voltage in that conductor.   Now if you can kick the magnetic field around using sparks instead of a 40hp diesel engine you get free energy from whatever force got the Earth dynamo going a long time ago. 
  Thanks for the work em.

  I suggest that we wont be able to run one of these on Venus though. ???
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on May 14, 2008, 10:19:36 PM
Here's another image showing how simple a shape these parametrons can have.   They can make them with thin films or just plain iron wire, or the more typical toroid cores.  

I also found a patent where they imprint a magnetic domain region on a wire, and they can shift it back and forth along it's length.  It was used as computer storage memory.  Very interesting technology that somehow seems to have fallen by the way side, but I have a sneaky suspicion it's still being used somewhere.

I think a good strategy is to build one of these basic parametrons and hunt for resonant frequencies by changing the capacitor values and retunning the pump frequency. 

EM
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on May 14, 2008, 11:07:18 PM
And this is my test setup...

After I understand what really happens, I will then try to close the loop, by utilizing the same toroid core and placing a magnet on it to saturate it as well.  This will create harmonics due to the nonlinearity, which will achive the 2xF pump frequency needed (or a frequency doubler will work as well)

EM

P.S.   To explain the operation,  the copper helix winding along with the capacitor form a tank circuit that can resonate at a particular frequency labled "F".   The inductance of this winding is obviously dependent on the magnetic properties of the iron wire that forms it's core.   However, we will varry those properties by driving a DC and an AC current through the iron wire.  The DC current will shift the magnetisation of the wire close to saturation (and prevent hysterisis losses)  and the AC signal we use, called the pump frequency, will pump the system to resonate based on the principles of parametric oscillation.  Acordingly, the pump frequency needs to be 2 x F.

I should also mention that perhaps the iron wire and the copper coils can be interchanged, as can be the driving method (we can drive the helix coil instead)  There's many configurations possible, and I'm sure you can see the resemblance to the FTPU and LTPU.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on May 15, 2008, 01:14:46 AM
@EM

Good to see you back.

Are you preferring bare iron wire or tapping over the iron wire before making the 3 loops.

Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on May 15, 2008, 02:14:37 AM
@EM

Glad to see we are looking at the real heyday of magnetics. I've enjoyed some similar reading.

Here is one you should find related. I posted it before but it was quickly labeled 'a short circuit'. I won't argue the point. If folks want to argue they can take it up with the British Royal Navy as there is where it was first used.

According to the information I found it was used as the sensing part of a circuit that came before SONAR. The fun part is the resonant frequency is that of the core material NOT the coils. My experiment was two such circuits back-to-back on a torid made of a coil of bailing wire. It sounded like the background sounds in an old black 'n white space invasion movie. Basically a ring multi-vibrator. Supposedly, if an object disturbed the ambient magnetic field, within range, it would cause the oscillator to change frequency.

BTW: the odd diodes in the wrong place that would seem also like a short circuit - on another thread.... remember diodes do not conduct in either direction until very shortly after voltage is applied. Lookup the curves. I'm going to build that one because it is just as likely to work as this one did.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: Earl on May 15, 2008, 01:53:01 PM
evolution
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: BEP on May 15, 2008, 02:08:11 PM
@Earl

I tried the middle one first thinking the diagram was wrong. It didn't work at core resonance.

The plate coil is a DC short but it isn't shorted when the wave travels from one end of the core to the other and back. Note the magnetic polarity of the two coils on the core.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: EMdevices on May 15, 2008, 02:27:53 PM
@EM

Good to see you back.

Are you preferring bare iron wire or tapping over the iron wire before making the 3 loops.



you need to tape over the wire, or use iron wire that comes with some insulation, or just keep the loops slightly apart so they don't touch.   A better approach would be to use the iron wire for the helix, then naturaly the spacing between the loops will keep it from touching.  I think you started a coil in that configuration, and it's what I'm seeing in the FTPU.
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: starcruiser on May 15, 2008, 02:51:23 PM
@EM,

A bit of speculation for a moment... so the next incarnation of SM's device would be using the 16ga lamp wire over the parametron coil(s) as a secondary transformer coil to pick up/ tap the field you think? thus a higher output?
Title: Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
Post by: wattsup on May 15, 2008, 05:54:38 PM