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Author Topic: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban  (Read 397210 times)

Offline shimondoodkin

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #660 on: May 02, 2008, 10:19:41 PM »
every one of the TPUs are buzzed.

every different TPU had little different frequencies (not sure:the larger so lower frequency) =
maybe there was some equal cycles per second in all of the TPUs.

when  the TPU was used(i.e.: connected to lamp(s)) then some of the frequencies disappeared.

as the TPU started one buzz frequency was rising slowly in form of a slow sine wave from near 2300Hz until it reached a lower large frequency(4300Hz) and then like stayed there. (not sure:i think i have seen it in the largest TPU as he tuns it on).

idea:maybe to connect audio from PC with a real oscilloscope so you can see the phase or something or none.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #661 on: May 02, 2008, 10:29:05 PM »
Best trick would be to do like 4-pole low-pass/high-pass filters on the frequencies in question, using Ableton or Cubase in your computer.  Then you will be able to see the waveform within the spectral band you choose.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #662 on: May 02, 2008, 11:51:55 PM »
Good work guys, work on this as much as possible because it maybe the only true information we have that tells us how it works.

Peter

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #663 on: May 03, 2008, 12:26:56 AM »
hi to all

i have read some  here  i like to say something yes  tpu is make  noise there and  make     5000 or 6000 cikle per scend  yes   is true make  that 
my test  i have send  video cilp i like  to show that  what is hapend   when  im put  small permanent magnet      and  you  seee there    is increase  the  v  and   milli amps    and   the input  v  and  milli amps  going down   when  is increase  the  v  and  milli amps  on the   out coil 
<<whit that i like to provet  is   that  s.m  when  is put small agnet then  s  increase the out power  only  whit  small per mag
and  ather     simple  explane   when i put  my permanent magnet      my  toroid is start  to vibrattions  like  speaker  coil AND    YOU  SEE  THE  S.M  SAID  HIS DIVICES IS  VIBRATEDE      BEACOISE   THAT SMALL PERMANNET MAGNETS
I LIKE TO SEE  MY  VIDEO CLIP  AND  SEE  WHAT IS  HAPEND   IN  THE  MY  OSCILOSCOPE  WHEN I PUT   MAGNET S   IN THE   180%  OF MY TOROID
PS   YES MAGNET  CAN  AMPLIFAED  POWER  YES  IS   HELP TO  PRODUCED  VIBRATIONS  >
AND    WAY S.M SAID   6000 HZ   HM LET SAY YOU HAVE   60 HZ  IN     AND  YOU HAVE   100?= 6000 KICK WHIT  DC  OUT   STRANGE  IS    ;) ;) :D
YOU HAVE    AC  VOL.  WHIT  DC  VOILTAGE   PULSING 6000 TIME PER SCEOND
BUT  HOW TO MAKE THAT   

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #664 on: May 03, 2008, 12:32:06 AM »
Hi Mac,

I like your experimental results.  It's definitely a magnetics sort of an effect involving toroids, iron wire, biasing magnets, etc..   
I don't want to say too much right now, cause I might have to retract it later, but I hope to experiment along these concepts this weekend, to verify some concepts.

EM

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #665 on: May 03, 2008, 01:14:08 AM »
@all

Good posts guys. Lots of things to consider here. I wonder if the sound could be from a reed switch. lol

I would like to talk about the FTPU and try to vulgarize certain concepts of operation and see if this makes sense or not as I can understand it.

In most all pulsing systems, the pulse creates a momentary magnetic field. But that field recedes before it starts again so where is the potential to move current forward if it is not transfered by coupling? It's like pushing and pulling is getting nowhere if there is no clear power source and load or an advancement of the flyback.

I will give an analogy of a home heating system based on hot water. You have a water heater , radiators, and all the piping. If you fill the hole thing up with water and turn on the water heater, what will happen? Nothing or very little because there is something missing. So if the water heater is the battery source, the radiators are the coils, the piping is the interconnecting wires and rings and you turn on the system. What will happen. Nothing again because something is missing again.

In the water system, what's missing is a circulating pump. Without this pump, the heated water cannot migrate through the radiators and create ambient heat. So what if the equivalent to the water pump is the toroid center. When you pass one of the wires of the circuit loop through the toroid center, this acts like a pump and starts moving the current around the circuit. The faster you move the current in the circuit, the more your coil will give off magnetism. Remember otto's 50 turns around the finger?

So I guess what I am trying to convey is that the toroid is not only a concentrated reflection of the primary coils but also a current pump with the wire going through the center. So what if one of the toroid coils plus half of the primary coils, plus half of the ring wires are all in series with one wire from this series loop going through the toroid. The same thing happens for the other toroid coil and primaries and rings are again in series and go through the toroid but the other way. As the toroid moves current forward (and backwards), this current increases the effect on the primaries that increase the effect on the ring, that increases the effect on the toroid coil, that again increases the effect of the wire passing through the toroid and so on. This type of gradual increase would explain why such a system works with a gradual power increase when the system is started.

Now here's another factor of the FTPU and that is the rings (not the primary coils) but the rings themselves. It has been shown that an energized ring will create an energy flow going perpendicular from the center of the ring in one direction. This has been shown by Roberto when he measured the magnetic field of his ECD and indicated that the field was measured far above the ECD unit. A good six feet above if I remember correctly. That is very impressive indeed and had stuck with me. And we know the ECD was also using two rings like the FTPU.

So can we understand that this center perpendicular mag field is being sur-amplified when you put one ring over the other, the effect is not doubled but most likely compounded by a factor of X times the normal single ring effect. This effect is also being exerted onto the toroid that is positioned dead center to catch this energy flow inside its core.

So I think it will be good to do some experiments in both the toroid center wire and current movement and also in the measurement of mag fields with one, two or three stacked rings. This does not have to be in a strict TPU type arrangement as these experiments could be done to only show the effects.

The use of one or two capacitors in the FTPU circuit can be the initial current movement since we know that capacitors always have some energy gain even when they are left alone. So when a capacitor is connected with other coils, etc., there is always some gain. They could have millivolts that move through the toroid, through the other coils and rings then through the center of the toroid to be augmented. What I am trying to understand is how the nuts and bolts of the device work without using the ether as a backdrop. If only one electron can move forward, they all have to move forward, like water in a fluid system.

Anyways, I'll stop here because I risk repeating myself.

OK maybe on last thing. In the FTPU, LTPU, MTPU it is evident that there is a toroid with a wire going through it. In the smaller TPUs, they are already toroids. Now in the OTPU, I would however speculate that the coil No. 3 that is opposite the output wires, is also a toroid and the control coils are going through it also. That's why we cannot see those wires going from one side to the other.

Sorry for such a long post.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2008, 01:17:34 PM by wattsup »

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #666 on: May 03, 2008, 02:17:05 AM »
I've circled what potentially appears to be a toroid wrapped in tape. The arrow is pointing to a magnet?

(http://www.phonecotech.com/OverU/6TpuTorMag1.gif)

And then there is the dinky TPU. I can never see daylight through the center. He appears to be placing the magnet straight down inside the center. At about 5:40 I hear a low hollow crackling sound as he presses his thumb into the center.

I suspect he has a toroid in each TPU except the OTPU.

back side view,  notice the double strand is clearly visible, AND the winding direction  :)

My eyes are failing. Is the wire wrapped the same direction all the way around for each of the 4 sections?

As near as I can tell it looks like white lamp cord twisted around the FTPU, some of it sectioned off. The silver colored wire looks like it is wrapped twice for every double white wire twist.

Just throwing this out there for response. I think I'll leave it there for now. Thank you everyone for all the good information.

Take care.

nap

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #667 on: May 03, 2008, 05:44:46 AM »
@slapper

Thanks for the pic and good obs on the small TPUs.

I have started looking more closely at the OTPU (only so many hours in a day).
I finally found the toroid. It is secured on the other side of the circuit board and it seems just as big as the FTPU toroid.

I also say as others that there are two wires wound in the four control coils. But I could swear it is a 4 conductor brown telephone wire. This explains the flatness of the bends as the wire is turning. This would also explain the smoothness of the wire coating. This would also provide up to 8 conductors looping around that ring.

There is more but I need more time. Time. What a concept. lol

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #668 on: May 03, 2008, 12:55:16 PM »
@wattsup, yesss we need a pump!

I just want to combine some informatie from different topics, so maybe this is not the rigth place. Refers to some oberservations from the videos neverless.


GK did some very interresting experiments with his bailingwire PMH just yesterday.

He got some nice spikes with just half a toroid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5KU_DgFd8s&NR=1


It made me think?

What if 2 of those spikes bang together? Or add up?

Q SM:
I became interested in the interaction between the two AC
transformers. 
The interaction can be very reveling, trust me.
Except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with
each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.


Q Leedskalnin: A PMH can hold its energy for months.

Maybe the TPU remains fully charged with energy when turned off. In the video, you never see SM turning a tpu on or off with the load connected. That would drain the PMH?s and make it hard to restart it.


Consider 3 x PMH?s, PMH1, PMH2 and PMH3.
A clever circuit, able to connect 2 PMH?s in series, very fast, in firing order

Firing order being:
PMH1 + PMH2 into PMH3, then PMH2 + PMH3 into PMH1, then PMH3 + PMH1 into PMH2, and back to the beginning.

Like 3 buckets of water, 30% full. Put 1 and 2 in 3 + a tiny little extra.


1 coil wound around the 3 PMH?s together, to feedback the current/flux/energy information back to the second part of the control circuit, for closed loop system control.


The rotating magnetic field would be effect, not cause.

Now place an other coil somewhere in the rotating field and there is your output.
Slapper and wattsup found them I think.

Greetings Rene
« Last Edit: May 03, 2008, 02:20:04 PM by Spider »

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #669 on: May 03, 2008, 01:33:00 PM »
The information that I have is that YES the tpu needs to spin up before attempting to extract power.

They apparently will NOT start with a load connected...or so I have heard.


back to look and copy

Does any body see foil....faraday shield on those quadrants?

I have never recieved an answer to what that central torroid is made of and I would love to know..






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« Reply #670 on: May 03, 2008, 01:47:58 PM »
There's that bugger. I can see it clearly now. Thanks for shedding the light.

10:08
(http://www.phonecotech.com/OverU/OTpuTor1.gif)

Another common part - advanced a couple more frames:

(http://www.phonecotech.com/OverU/OTpuCap1.gif)

compared to the FTPU:

3:43
(http://www.phonecotech.com/OverU/FTpuCap1.gif)

I'm thinking this is an aluminum can electrolytic capacitor. I think I see the radial leads fanned out and bent back on the cap in the OTPU image.

Take care.

nap

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #671 on: May 03, 2008, 11:01:18 PM »
@slapper

Good shots. Thanks. A second confirmation on the OPTU toroid was important.

@Mannix

I have been searching off and on for the toroid and no luck yet. I have even invited toroid manufacturers to come to the forum and try to help us identify the toroid, but none have responded thus far. So I continue inviting others.

I have posted a photo of some of the toroids I have on hand.

The big green toroid core is what I found when I removed the coils from an existing standard AC/AC toroid. This one is a rolled laminated strip type.

The two others are ferrites.

Notice the difference in the sharp edge of the green one compared to the rounded edges of the others. This is identical to the TPU toroid and pushes me to conclude that the toroid is a laminated rolled strip core. I cannot find any core with pre-made holes drilled from top to bottom as I can see in the FTPU toroid. I will try to drill some holes in the big green toroid to see if it is possible or not without breaking the toroid. I have tried drilling a pretty large ferrite core but it broke. lol

If any of you are curious how toroids are wound, here is a link with some nice short videos. When the first video is finished, just click on the Next Video button to see more.
http://www.gormanmachine.com/videos/proii/proii.htm

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #672 on: May 03, 2008, 11:15:14 PM »
Wattsup

I have also concluded that the torroid used in the tpu's are laminated iron core, you are correct in saying it is the sharp edge that gives it away, these are used in most torroid transformers for audio psu's and come in loads of different sizes.

Peter
« Last Edit: May 03, 2008, 11:36:07 PM by Peterae »

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« Reply #673 on: May 03, 2008, 11:59:39 PM »
The green toroid above is very close to the dimension of the TPU toroids. When I took the original primary and secondary coils off of this toroid, there was alot of wire involved, layers and layers fully wound.

So if the TPU toroid is about the same dimensions, why does it only have one layer of thin wire wound as the two halves. What type of action would you expect from so few winds on such a bulky toroid. Also, for a TPU toroid, what are the attributes one should look for. High or low inductance. A highly inductive toroid  most probably since there are so few turns, you would want to use the toroid as a secondary energy storage device.

One more thing about the toroid and the "kick".

I have read that toroidal transformers once saturated hold their energy for a longer time then regular transformers. Also, while the toroid is still saturated, if power is turned off, then on, you will have what is called "in-rush" current. This only happens when the toroid is already energized. So maybe this is the kick since we now know all the TPUs have a toroid. lol

Also this holding of energy may explain why the power goes down gradually when the magnet is removed.

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Re: HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban
« Reply #674 on: May 04, 2008, 12:05:18 AM »
dont destroy your torroids by drilling there are no holes in it, if you are refering to the hole in the disk underneath this is not a torroid only an rf shield, the top torroid does not actually go into the steel wire spool it sits on top and is screened on the bottom by an iron plate which also has 3 vertical clips which extend futher beyound its perimeter and are partially buried in the black potting compound these can clealry been seen in the LTPU and the FTPU.
It would appear the inner wire spool has been quiet well screened from rf, which doesnt surprise me because the chips he would have used for phase locking his 2 signal generators would be very sensitive to spurious noise.
At this point in time i would say he is using the torroid to generate sharp high voltage pulses, but i feel he is mixing 2 seperate frequencys in this torroid ready to drive the control coils, i am guessing at the moment that feedback is done by a 10 turn air coil which seems to be criticly positioned inbetween the output two control quadrants, i have seen this configuration on the FTPU and the OTPU.

I feel some of you guys in the know should try to sort the resonance traces using the sampled sound from the video this may be quiet important as the data produced can be trusted.

Cheers
Peter
Something i will also add is i beleive there to be only 1 collector in the FTPU, a collector has two halfs, the first being a coiled wire close to the control coils, the second half is a iron cored coil, in the ftpu the iron cored inductor is located inside the spool at the bottom, the iron core can be seen underneath dead center, the wires from this pass throught the center of the top torroid to mingle with the control quadrant coils.
The Otpu has two collectors, you can see the iron core in 1 of the feet, to find the second part of the collector you need to follow the white wires.
Notice that in the 7 inch tpu there are 3 wires to the switch, the red wires are control wires and the white collector wires, this is also so in the Otpu.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2008, 01:07:51 AM by Peterae »