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Author Topic: Thane Heins Perepiteia.  (Read 1894535 times)

johnnyl

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #105 on: February 10, 2008, 01:35:39 AM »
Just a quick request for those testers on here.  After completing a test, can you include a short set of conclusions (which can be just a sentence or two) which indicates that the test results either agree with conventional theory/thinking or disagree with conventional theory/thinking.

I am interested in this thread, but my education is chemistry and this electronics stuff is beyond me.  It would help me a lot if the results are summarized as to why they are normal, strange, important, irrelevant, etc.

Thanks,

Johnny
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Groundloop

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #106 on: February 10, 2008, 01:51:58 AM »
@johnnyl,

I will not make any conclusions based on any preliminary tests. The only way I will make a statement is if a looped
electronic circuit is charging up the input battery. So if I connect a lead acid battery to my circuit and the
battery goes down in charge then there is nothing special. If the battery charges up then we need at
least three replications of the circuit. If every replicates agree with the result then, and only then, can we
make a statement that a circuit MAY be over unity. Next step would be to get a university to test the circuit.

Groundloop.
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johnnyl

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #107 on: February 10, 2008, 01:59:54 AM »
Thanks Groundloop.  That clarifies things for me!
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Groundloop

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #108 on: February 10, 2008, 12:19:02 PM »
Good morning.

My new twin core is now done.

Next step is soldering together the oscillator circuit.

Groundloop.

[EDIT]  PCB done. Added image of circuit.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2008, 04:09:35 PM by Groundloop »
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gyulasun

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #109 on: February 10, 2008, 12:42:41 PM »
Quote from: Groundloop on February 10, 2008, 01:22:17 AM
@gyulasun,

Thanks for the link. It seems to me that the yellow/white has a material permeability of 75 and all other colors has a lower permeability.
I think I can safely assume that my green/blue one has a lower permeability. So the green will be the input and oscillator coil. I will make both
the input coil and out coil of two strands of magnet wire. Then I can test the core both "ways".

Groundloop.

Hi Groundloop,

Well,  I did some more search on ferrite toroids and it turns out Ferroxcube ( http://www.ferroxcube.com ) has similar or almost similar color code system like Amidon/Micrometal. This link has a tablet on their materials/codes:
http://sharon.esrac.ele.tue.nl/~on9cvd/E-Inleiding%20en%20overzicht%20ferrieten.htm
So your White/Yellow core can also be their 3E5 material with an initial permeability of around 10000 for toroids so your earlier conclusion of all your other colors have a lower permeability is still valid.  Only the permeability values are higher than that of Amidon:
White/Yellow = 10000  3E5 material
Blue = 2000                3F3  material
Ultramarine = 2300      3C90 material

rgds, Gyula
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Groundloop

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #110 on: February 10, 2008, 12:59:25 PM »
@gyulasun,

Thanks for checking out the cores. I have also searched the net and have the same conclusion.
I have made the input and output coils the same so I can test the cores both ways. I'm currently
soldering a oscillator circuit now. First run in a couple of hours.......................

Thanks,
Groundloop.
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gyulasun

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #111 on: February 10, 2008, 02:05:23 PM »
Quote from: Groundloop on February 10, 2008, 12:59:25 PM
@gyulasun,

Thanks for checking out the cores. I have also searched the net and have the same conclusion.
I have made the input and output coils the same so I can test the cores both ways. I'm currently
soldering a oscillator circuit now. First run in a couple of hours.......................

Thanks,
Groundloop.

Very good! 

If I may give some hints: 
---try using higher values for R1, the 470 Ohm seems too low for me (peak collector current may exceed core saturation and the goal I believe is to aim for the maximum flux change from zero current to max possible current BELOW core saturation.
---insert a 10-100 Ohm series resistor between the cathode of diode D2 and + battery pole so that you could monitor its voltage drop as an indication of the (charging) current flowing back to the battery from L4 coil.

Thanks,  Gyula
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Groundloop

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #112 on: February 10, 2008, 02:28:24 PM »
@gyulasun,

Yes, you are 100% correct. The amp draw from the battery at first run was so high that both the
coil and the transistor got hot. I will find a resistor (R1) with a much higher resistance. Good news
is that the circuit did run without any smoke.  :D

Changing resistor now........

Groundloop.
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Groundloop

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #113 on: February 10, 2008, 02:49:38 PM »
@Group,

Circuit is running from a lead acid battery, 12,23 V.  Without feedback the circuit uses 0,15 A.
When I connect the feedback the input usgae drops to 0,08 Amp. Measurements is done
with a moving Iron analog meter and is approximately only. More measurements must
be done before any certain conclutions. But it seems to me that the system is capable of
coupling magnetic flux from the input core to the output core by using a short circuit coil.

BTW: The R1 is only needed to start the circuit so I used 580K.

Groundloop.

[EDIT-1] The moving Iron amp meter affects the circuit. When I remove the amp meter the input current increase a lot.
            To get the amp down again I just connected an air core coil in series with the plus on the battery.
            Now the circuit runs a very low input amp.

Groundloop.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2008, 03:40:43 PM by Groundloop »
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Liberty

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #114 on: February 10, 2008, 03:41:06 PM »
@Groundloop,

Would it be of value to replace D2 (diode) with a bridge rectifier and add a 100uf cap or larger on the output of the bridge rectifier?  It looks like D2 only offers half wave rectification, where a bridge might offer more output.  Just something to think about.

Have fun... :)
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Groundloop

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #115 on: February 10, 2008, 04:04:32 PM »
@Liberty,

I can try that, but first I must check the frequency of the oscillator!
I can not use a diode bridge if the frequency is too high.
All the diode bridges I have is for 50Hz.

What I can do is making a bridge with four ultrafast BYV29 diodes.
But first I need a break. I have been working on this circuit into the night and has
only slept 4 hours. Been working on the circuit for 6 hours today.  ;D

Groundloop.
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RunningBare

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #116 on: February 10, 2008, 04:30:21 PM »
Quote from: Groundloop on February 10, 2008, 04:04:32 PM
@Liberty,

I can try that, but first I must check the frequency of the oscillator!
I can not use a diode bridge if the frequency is too high.
All the diode bridges I have is for 50Hz.

What I can do is making a bridge with four ultrafast BYV29 diodes.
But first I need a break. I have been working on this circuit into the night and has
only slept 4 hours. Been working on the circuit for 6 hours today.  ;D

Groundloop.

50hz is only given as a manufacture spec for power bridge rectifiers, they can operate at much higher frequencies, well into the khz range.
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dutchy1966

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #117 on: February 10, 2008, 04:40:46 PM »
Hi Groundloop,

Thanx for spending all that time! It is well appreciated......

Many of us are following your tests with great interest!

Just to let you know  ;)

Keep up the good work...

regards

Robert
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Groundloop

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #118 on: February 10, 2008, 04:52:22 PM »
@RunningBare,

Yes I know that. The loss (heat loss) will increase with higher frequency. So when you pulse
the diode bridge with frequencies over 2KHz then the loss is big. Better to use 4 ultra fast
diodes arranged as a bridge. My circuit is running at 36,4 KHz.

Groundloop.
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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #119 on: February 10, 2008, 04:54:12 PM »
Robert,

Thanks.  :D

Groundloop.

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