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Author Topic: Thane Heins Perepiteia.  (Read 1869401 times)

EMdevices

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2008, 08:52:00 PM »
Interesting stuff, but I'm a bit skeptical naturaly.

The inventor uses terms that don't quite apply.   He says stuff like "we'll short out the generator coil and introduce the back EMF into the AIR GAP... and magneticaly couple..."

well, back EMF is voltage on a wire, not a flux in an AIR GAP.    He has to get his terminology straight.

Then he talkes about strengtening the rotor flux with this "back EMF"    If that realy happens then yes a motor would speed up.   The Induction motor has slip, so if you magnetize the cage it will approach the behavior of a synchronous AC motor,

However, no matter what he does with the coils, power is coming in from the wall socket.   If he wants to show that he is getting more energy in then out, then he must take this into account, but he is not there yet, and I'm not sure he is claiming an OU system yet, he is hinting at it perhaps.

What is intersting here as opposed with the Adams motors, seems to be this idea of linking the flux through the Induction motor.   Other than that everything else has been tried before. Perhaps this idea has been tried before as well, not sure though, it's new to me.

EM

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2008, 09:03:36 PM »
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« Last Edit: February 06, 2008, 09:13:12 AM by Nutcake »

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2008, 09:18:03 PM »
Nutcake,  what do you mean?   All he is trying to show is the slight increase in speed when he shorts out the generator coil.  You see that on his Tachometer, it speeds up a bit.   But it's not OU, saddly to say.

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2008, 01:18:18 AM »
@all,

am i just impatient or are the video links no longer working?  anyway i can't seem to see anything but a blue screen saying downloading. but for thirty minutes?  just my observation.  have the MIB gotten there that quick?  damn they must be improving thier response time this week!

lol
sam

ps:  i wish i could see the videos, the articles i have read seem awful simple.


























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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2008, 02:16:29 AM »
All the videos can be found here, uploaded by Steorn forum member Speccy
http://uk.youtube.com/user/speccy


@all,

am i just impatient or are the video links no longer working?  anyway i can't seem to see anything but a blue screen saying downloading. but for thirty minutes?  just my observation.  have the MIB gotten there that quick?  damn they must be improving thier response time this week!

lol
sam

ps:  i wish i could see the videos, the articles i have read seem awful simple.

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2008, 02:21:02 AM »

Hi Stefan,

Many thanks for compressing the movies!
Can you please have a look at mpd05.avi? It doesn?t seem to play. Different codec or it is just my computer?
Cheers,
Tinu

It just tested it again and it works,  just redownload it first to your harddisk
and play it from there.

www.overunity.com/heins

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2008, 03:18:12 AM »
Here are the interesting parts from:
http://science.blogdig.net/archives/articles/July2007/04/Free_energy_with_magnetic_reluctance.html


Free energy with magnetic reluctance
post from Sciencebase Science Blog on 04 July 2007 11:00:18 AM. ? Sciencebase Science Blog

Potential difference transformer

As I think I?ve mentioned before, I get a lot of emails from people claiming to have solved all the worlds environmental problems through some perpetual motion device or similar. These are not the usual run of the mill spam messages, they are usually targeted at me as a science journalist and talk of big solutions. If they were sent by snailmail they would be in green ink, the majority of them, I suspect.

Some of these claims seem to reach global proportions as we?ve seen with the Steorn research, which is yet to bear fruit. In fact, I created a new section on SciScoop to cover and discuss just such controversial conjectures; I highlighted several odd scientific claims some time ago on Sciencebase too.

Anyway, Thane Heins, of Potential Difference Inc, contacted me recently with the claim that he and his company have developed a device based on a bi-toroid
transformer
prototype that
in tests proved
to be
7000% efficienta bi-toroid transformer prototype that in tests proved to be 7000% efficient. ?This past weekend we gave a product demonstration (generator and transformer) to an international transformer manufacturer,? Heins told me, ?Our transformer used 0.2 Watts in the primary and produced 14 watts through a 180 ohm - 25 watt resistor. We will be producing 1 - 7000 Watt toroids in the near future and even larger industrial ones.?

Could he be on to something. It?s a controversial claim, indeed, and certainly one that might warrant refiling in SciScoop?s Controversial Conjectures. But Heins claims to have reproducible evidence to support his claims. ?We have third party data,? he told me. Moreover, ?the power dissipation calculations are very simple and can be verified by anyone.?

Heins confessed that the team is still trying to get the physics aspect of the technology, which he refers to as the Perepiteia Transformer, evaluated and published by a university. He says they have been trying for almost two years. Heins sent me comments from various academics who have looked at the work. One of them states, ?Your claims seem to violate the law of conservation of energy and Maxwell?s
equations of electro-magneticsYour claims seem to violate the law of conservation of energy and Maxwell?s equations of electro-magnetics.? Heins perceives this as a positive statement, ?It is very positive and rare for someone to actually put that in writing - very brave in my book,? he told me. However, Heins adds that the academic in question has not been able to take physical readings on the transformer prototype, and to my mind it almost sounds like a skeptic?s voice as opposed to a supporter.

Another academic describes the technology as ?a new source of electric power? but then goes on to advise Heins: ?Do Not explain the physics - stay with explaining ONLY the electrical POWER measurements - it will keep you out of a lot of media trouble.?

I am sure it will, anyone claiming such vast energy efficiencies from what is essentially a simple transformer that just happens to have donut-shaped components is bound to attract skeptical inquiry.

That correspondent ?was responding to the press release not the transformer data or diagrams/explanations,? retorts Heins, [he] did not understand at the time that the back EMF that would otherwise couple back to the primary is now diverted into secondary coil 2 doing real work, I assume that [he] thought that I didn?t know where the extra power is coming from but I do and designed things to work as they do.?

Heins talks of how the technology is ?Based on the unique theory of leveraging back EMF and upsetting the power balancing mutual coupling coefficients?, his company has apparently ?developed and produced an operational transformer which exceeds 100% efficiency.?

?Any skeptic can recreate the same transformer in about 8 hours and get virtually identical results,? Heins adds, ?I wound ours by hand so I know.? He concedes that it is hard to comprehend and says he was skeptical at first. ?For a transformer the Law of Conservation of Energy can ONLY APPLY if mutual coupling exists from the secondary back to the primary. The Bi-Toroid diagram shows how this cannot happen and how the Law of Conservation of Energy is violated by simply employing Lenz?s Law and Maxwell?s Equations and controlling flux path magnetic reluctance.? Magnetic reluctance is the analogous phenomenon of electrical resistance, but unlike electrical resistance consumes no energy.

Heins adds that he and his colleagues ?have coupling from the primary to the secondary. The reluctance flux path in the secondary is lower because either the secondary core area is greater or because we employ core material with a higher relative permeability which results in a decrease in reluctance. When the secondary reluctance is lower - back EMF induced flux from secondary coil 1 must follow the path of least reluctance into secondary 2 and not back to the primary. The primary operates only at magnetizing current levels (reactive current only) and does not draw any non-reactive current from the source. The law of conservation of energy for a transformer requires secondary back EMF to be able to mutually couple back to the primary - but if this flux path is higher it will not be able to do so.?

I?d be interested to see comments on these claims from the physicists among you, although better still it would be educational if someone were to reconstruct the device, test it and post their results. Can the laws of physics cope with a 7000% efficient transformer? Can we really get more energy out than in by diverting magnetic reluctance? If so, then it might be worth breaking open the fireworks early this July 4, but I suspect that this really is simply one for the Controversial Conjectures folder once again?shame.


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SO the main thing :
Heins told me, ?Our transformer used 0.2 Watts in the primary and produced 14 watts through a 180 ohm - 25 watt resistor. We will be producing 1 - 7000 Watt toroids in the near future and even larger industrial ones.?

could be verified in the posted videos, if he had shown, how much power
he pulled out of his coils when he shorted them out.

Too bad the videos did not contain any lighting incandescent bulbs in series with the
shorted out coils.
Especially video part 4 is convincing, where he has this toroid flux path and shorts
out the 2 coils and the rotor does not slow down.
If he would have shown how much power he did short out out of the coils,
that would have been even more convincing.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2008, 03:45:23 AM »
It appears that the Perepiteia Motor is nothing more than a hysteresis brake.  Placing the steel rods (wound by coils) near the spinning magnets induces alternating magnetic flux within the rods, the resulting magnetic hysteresis causes drag on the rotating disk, and heat losses within the steel rods.  Shorting out the coils effectively shields the steel rods from the disk's magnetic field, eliminating the hysteresis drag.  This causes the motor to speed up - but not as much as it would if the steel rods were removed completely.

BUSTED!

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2008, 04:13:57 AM »

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2008, 04:20:39 AM »
It appears that the Perepiteia Motor is nothing more than a hysteresis brake.  Placing the steel rods (wound by coils) near the spinning magnets induces alternating magnetic flux within the rods, the resulting magnetic hysteresis causes drag on the rotating disk, and heat losses within the steel rods.  Shorting out the coils effectively shields the steel rods from the disk's magnetic field, eliminating the hysteresis drag.  This causes the motor to speed up - but not as much as it would if the steel rods were removed completely.

BUSTED!

Put a shorted coil near a moving magnet and then come back with your theory
Lenz Law, when a magnet approaches a coil it will induce a current in the coil which in turn will create a magnetic field opposing the approaching magnet, a shorted coil is the same as saying the coil has an extremely low resistive load attached to it.

http://msdaif.googlepages.com/demo_lenz


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« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2008, 04:41:28 AM »
Lenz's Law, la-di-da.  Do you understand magnetic hysteresis? Against his low-speed rotating magnetic disc, a carbon steel rod will create far more drag than a shorted coil of wire.  Look at the numbers.  Why would his induction motor draw so much current with the coils open, unless there was significant drag on it?  When the coil is shorted, Lenz's law induces current in the coil that tends to keep the magnetic flux in the steel rod at zero, minimizing its magnetic hysteresis.  Lenz's Law will result in drag on the shorted coil, but eliminate the drag on the steel core rod.

Again, I say BUSTED!

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2008, 04:49:27 AM »
Look at:  http://www.magtrol.com/tensioncontrol/hysteresisbrakes.htm
and:  http://www.djautomation.co.uk/html/hysteresis_brake___clutch.html

He has a hysteresis brake that is turned off by shorting the coil windings.

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2008, 04:50:45 AM »
See:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2794.msg75560.html#msg75560

for my comments and answer to Top Gun.

Answering questions to your own questions via multiple persona isn't exactly rocket science. As to your answers, those people on your thread already know you're a rather silly comedian!

cheers
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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2008, 06:12:41 AM »
@blindsanxxxx
   Ok, then tell me just how is it that the main guy at MIT "does" agree with him. "And" he is stumped as to why.

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Re: Thane heins is getting some serious attention for is motor
« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2008, 07:01:07 AM »
Look at this simple video:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/665396/how_increase_speed_of_electric_motor/

Just repeated the experiment with my oral B electric tooth brush.  The frequency (or the sound from the vibrating brush system) changed with the approaching of a strong magnet.

So there is nothing revolutionary with the Thane Heins discovery???