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Author Topic: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler  (Read 1486547 times)

slayer007

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2670 on: April 18, 2009, 04:29:41 PM »
Right now I'm not using the filter part eather.

I did try to make a filter but it didn't seem to work so I took it out.
I was getting a lot of voltage going back to the battery.
I could light an led off eather one of the battery post by holding one side of the led and tuching the battery post.

I think for the filter to work right you need the ferrite beads inbetween the caps.

But it still works great with out it.
I will try to remake it with some ferrite beads and see if it works better when I get some.
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nievesoliveras

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2671 on: April 18, 2009, 04:37:57 PM »
Quote from: slayer007 on April 18, 2009, 04:29:41 PM
Right now I'm not using the filter part eather.

I did try to make a filter but it didn't seem to work so I took it out.
I was getting a lot of voltage going back to the battery.
I could light an led off eather one of the battery post by holding one side of the led and tuching the battery post.

I think for the filter to work right you need the ferrite beads inbetween the caps.

But it still works great with out it.
I will try to remake it with some ferrite beads and see if it works better when I get some.


Thank you @slayer007 !

I dont know much, but I am here if you need any help.

Jesus
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slayer007

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2672 on: April 22, 2009, 02:02:47 PM »
Here is another short video.
This is charging a capacitor with a AV plug off one of the battery post.
It will charge off eather post.
It will even charge another 12 volt battery while running the lights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHNQ0c7vsCU&feature=channel_page
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Thaelin

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2673 on: April 22, 2009, 04:02:09 PM »
Slayer:
   Not sure where you are but if in the US, be very weary of the rf that you are transmitting.
The tickets are usually 5k. That you can run off the battery post means that you have a large
amount of HF going back to the source. That is what the 3 caps and a diode are for, to trap it.
Take a scope shot off the battery and you should see the rf.

   But on the other side, you have just shown me the way to fire 4 foot fl tubes for my apt. Just
curious, what is the ma drain you see? I want one for the bath, bed, kitchen and two for the main
room. Each will have its own batt and should last a long time per charge. Using 5ah gells  for the
power. That should just about drop my elec bill to the monthly and watch them cry a bit.

thaelin
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slayer007

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2674 on: April 22, 2009, 04:15:42 PM »
Quote from: Thaelin on April 22, 2009, 04:02:09 PM
Slayer:
   Not sure where you are but if in the US, be very weary of the rf that you are transmitting.
The tickets are usually 5k. That you can run off the battery post means that you have a large
amount of HF going back to the source. That is what the 3 caps and a diode are for, to trap it.
Take a scope shot off the battery and you should see the rf.

   But on the other side, you have just shown me the way to fire 4 foot fl tubes for my apt. Just
curious, what is the ma drain you see? I want one for the bath, bed, kitchen and two for the main
room. Each will have its own batt and should last a long time per charge. Using 5ah gells  for the
power. That should just about drop my elec bill to the monthly and watch them cry a bit.

thaelin



My digital meters go crazy when the sec is running I need to get a analog meter.
So I can't read the current it's using.

But I have been running it on and off for a few days" I'd say around eight hours".
The power in the battery was 12.55 three days ago and now it's still 12.50.

The battery is a big 12v 80Ah battery.
The voltage does go down but it seems to recover most of when it sits a little.
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amigo

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2675 on: April 23, 2009, 12:59:50 AM »
Quote from: Thaelin on April 22, 2009, 04:02:09 PM
   But on the other side, you have just shown me the way to fire 4 foot fl tubes for my apt. Just
curious, what is the ma drain you see? I want one for the bath, bed, kitchen and two for the main
room. Each will have its own batt and should last a long time per charge. Using 5ah gells  for the
power. That should just about drop my elec bill to the monthly and watch them cry a bit.

thaelin


Hi Thaelin,

The current draw is probably sub 200mA or sub 100mA because the MPSA06 cannot operate above that threshold (it burns out).

The transistor still requires a copper heat sink on it, running it anywhere over 80mA...
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AbbaRue

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2676 on: April 24, 2009, 12:16:38 AM »
If anyone is really worried about the RF given off by the SEC circuit they could get some chicken wire,
and make a simple cage around there setup.
Just connect the chicken wire to ground and that should stop the RF from leaving area.

@slayer007
Awsome resaults!
I tried building a SEC circuit based on the same dia. as yours but couldn't get good resaults.
I think my problem may be the Transistor I was using.  I used 2N5551's. 
Need to get some MPSA06's. 
I did have some success with a very early version of the SEC when it used the AM antenna. 
Like the one by Amigo on page 69
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3457.680
Interesting how the SEC started out as a Joule Thief with a ferrite antenna instead of a toroid,
and then evolved into what we have on page 226.


« Last Edit: April 24, 2009, 12:38:58 AM by AbbaRue »
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slayer007

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2677 on: April 24, 2009, 12:56:28 AM »
Quote from: AbbaRue on April 24, 2009, 12:16:38 AM
If anyone is really worried about the RF given off by the SEC circuit they could get some chicken wire,
and make a simple cage around there setup.
Just connect the chicken wire to ground and that should stop the RF from leaving area.

@slayer007
Awsome resaults!
I tried building a SEC circuit based on the same dia. as yours but couldn't get good resaults.
I think my problem may be the Transistor I was using.  I used 2N5551's. 
Need to get some MPSA06's. 
I did have some success with a very early version of the SEC when it used the AM antenna. 
Like the one by Amigo on page 69
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3457.680
Interesting how the SEC started out as a Joule Thief with a ferrite antenna instead of a toroid,
and then evolved into what we have on page 226.





Thanks AbbaRue

Yes the MPSA06's. are a must for this circuit.
I bought 100 of them off ebay for around $9 with shipping.

Some others might work but I think these are the best I found so far for this circuit.
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amigo

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2678 on: April 24, 2009, 01:39:00 AM »
I am of an opinion that MPSA06 is not necessarily the only transistor that will work, though it is the best one so far.

I have gotten the SEC effect with 2N2222, 2N3904, 2N3905...I have some 2N4401 and will try those as well soon.

Also, with all the testing I have done, I do not believe hFE has major impact on the performance of the SEC (though it might be contributing to its operation). The MPSA06s tried were from several different vendors with a wide range of gains, anywhere from 60 to over 300, and they all appeared to have performed as expected.

Of course, as no real sensitive measurements have been done, it still warrants further investigation and experimentation to determine which ones do work better than others.
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DrStiffler

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2679 on: April 24, 2009, 11:37:20 PM »
Quote from: AbbaRue on April 24, 2009, 12:16:38 AM
If anyone is really worried about the RF given off by the SEC circuit they could get some chicken wire,
and make a simple cage around there setup.
Just connect the chicken wire to ground and that should stop the RF from leaving area.

@slayer007
Awsome resaults!
I tried building a SEC circuit based on the same dia. as yours but couldn't get good resaults.
I think my problem may be the Transistor I was using.  I used 2N5551's. 
Need to get some MPSA06's. 
I did have some success with a very early version of the SEC when it used the AM antenna. 
Like the one by Amigo on page 69
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3457.680
Interesting how the SEC started out as a Joule Thief with a ferrite antenna instead of a toroid,
and then evolved into what we have on page 226.



@AbbaRue

**Interesting how the SEC started out as a Joule Thief with a ferrite antenna instead of a toroid,
and then evolved into what we have on page 226. **

LOL

What? SEC Exciters came from a JT? I know that sun spots are down, but this is ridiculous. Sorry to spoil your dream but the first open ended coil exciter was built in 1995.

Besides happening way before this JT thing was born LOL, how can you even compare the two different systems?
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DrStiffler

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2680 on: April 24, 2009, 11:41:50 PM »
Quote from: amigo on April 24, 2009, 01:39:00 AM
I am of an opinion that MPSA06 is not necessarily the only transistor that will work, though it is the best one so far.

I have gotten the SEC effect with 2N2222, 2N3904, 2N3905...I have some 2N4401 and will try those as well soon.

Also, with all the testing I have done, I do not believe hFE has major impact on the performance of the SEC (though it might be contributing to its operation). The MPSA06s tried were from several different vendors with a wide range of gains, anywhere from 60 to over 300, and they all appeared to have performed as expected.

Of course, as no real sensitive measurements have been done, it still warrants further investigation and experimentation to determine which ones do work better than others.
@amigo
Read back through this thread and you will see that successful replications have consisted of the 06 transistor and asserting that many others will work without (knowing for sure) will only lead to many failures. So you are able to state this without quantitative results as a reference?

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AquariuZ

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2681 on: April 25, 2009, 12:01:33 AM »
Dr Stiffler,

I am trying to access the referenced YouTube videos in this section but they have all been removed by "user".

Next I tried to access your referenced websites and they are no longer online, nor is the one referenced in your profile (parked).

Can you please point me to your active website and videos?

Thank you in advance.

AZ
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DrStiffler

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2682 on: April 25, 2009, 12:46:21 AM »
Quote from: AquariuZ on April 25, 2009, 12:01:33 AM
Dr Stiffler,

I am trying to access the referenced YouTube videos in this section but they have all been removed by "user".

Next I tried to access your referenced websites and they are no longer online, nor is the one referenced in your profile (parked).

Can you please point me to your active website and videos?

Thank you in advance.

AZ
@AquariuZ
Search YT for 'Dr Stiffler' or 'MRH2O2'
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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2683 on: April 25, 2009, 12:57:39 AM »
Quote from: DrStiffler on April 24, 2009, 11:37:20 PM
@AbbaRue

**Interesting how the SEC started out as a Joule Thief with a ferrite antenna instead of a toroid,
and then evolved into what we have on page 226. **

LOL

What? SEC Exciters came from a JT? I know that sun spots are down, but this is ridiculous. Sorry to spoil your dream but the first open ended coil exciter was built in 1995.

Besides happening way before this JT thing was born LOL, how can you even compare the two different systems?
mind you, blocking oscilators date way back before 1995.
it is true that the SEC does not work like a joule thief at all, and both are far from having the same root.
but what is the point of using precedance date ?

i can understand that you don't have time to teach peoples with lower electronic understanding.
but not that you have time to be rude with them.

simply stating "no, the SEC and the jt are different" would have been faster to type and would have been understood by everyone.
competent in the field or not.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2684 on: April 25, 2009, 01:36:36 AM »
Quote from: TheNOP on April 25, 2009, 12:57:39 AM
mind you, blocking oscilators date way back before 1995.
it is true that the SEC does not work like a joule thief at all, and both are far from having the same root.
but what is the point of using precedance date ?

i can understand that you don't have time to teach peoples with lower electronic understanding.
but not that you have time to be rude with them.

simply stating "no, the SEC and the jt are different" would have been faster to type and would have been understood by everyone.
competent in the field or not.



@TheNOP

Did you know that in the assembly language that a NOP is a do nothing command used to often fill a patch space or take up time uselessly? Humm.......
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