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Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« on: March 09, 2007, 12:31:51 AM »
Hello
This all started in  MagDrive thread. I had know idea how much interest this would cause.
So here is the video that started it all .This plasma reactor is a heater and a heater only.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeTQW2pH2Oc

The first thing you should notice is this is not a white hot arc. I found that that type of arc is much to hot for my use.

Ok now,Just to start everyone out.
The  plasma system.
One 1/8 tungsten welding rod (Green Tip)Pure tungsten.
One 100 micron 316L stainless steel Paint sprayer Graco filter mesh 1"Dia  x 4"long.Make sure the rod is right in the center of the screen tube.Make all connection solid and arc outside the water will go BOOM.
Now on the Tungsten you must cover with Teflon(Good for last hours) or coat in ceramic (Preferred last for months) all of the rod except for about 1/2" at the tip arc end.
120AC rectified  and non smoothed. You get about 118vdc 120hz.Start up is 30 amps  final at high temp is from 1.0 to 0.1amps maintaining a stable arc.
115VAC full wave rectified is fine to work with.

This is a good start.
Now you will not see a reaction in this till you hear it start to vibrate at about 130*F
At 150F to 160F you will get your arc .This can take from 10 min to 1 hour depending on your water. use tap water.


This type of system has run for months ( Rod adjustment weekly at 24 hours a day)before rebuild. Using a radiator to keep temps at bay.150F to 200F  shut it off at 200 you have heat stored.

As a fully finished circulatory system heater  When it gets to 200*F it shuts off.The pump runs and circulates water through a tube in the floor . The pump shuts down when the cell drops to 100*F. This is all controlled by thermostat.




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« Last Edit: April 14, 2007, 08:50:12 PM by IronHead »

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Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« on: March 09, 2007, 12:31:51 AM »

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2007, 01:38:14 AM »
Is this filter mesh something like this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140093743494

??

Can you please post pictures of the device, before you operate it under water ?
Many thanks.

P.S: Why not the lightly radioactive Cerium doped red tip tungsten rods ?

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2007, 01:45:33 AM »
Is the stainless steel mesh around the Tungsten rod something like this ??

(http://painthose.net/cart/images/large/New%20manifold%20pic%207-7-06_LRG.jpg)

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2007, 01:45:33 AM »
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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2007, 01:48:32 AM »
P.S: Baking soda is not good,
cause it can release CO gas, which is very toxic !
Don?t breath it.
Better go with K2CO3.

The problem I had in my experiments with cold fusion is,
that it always burned up the Tungsten rods.
Maybe the green tip tungsten rods are better than my red tip ones ?

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2007, 01:49:35 AM »
Ironhead you say, when the right temperature is reached and the arc is burning
you still use about 0.1 to 1 Amp and at around 100 Volts this
is still about 10 to 100 Watts of input.

How much heat did you generate ?
You said in the youtube page,

"that the heat coming from the radiator core is
about 5 times greater than a 1000 watt 120vac room heater."

If this is true, that would be at least a factor 10 of more output
than input.
That would be really great if this could be replicated and verified !

Regards, Stefan.
« Last Edit: March 09, 2007, 02:30:48 AM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2007, 02:47:52 AM »
Is the stainless steel mesh around the Tungsten rod something like this ??


You found the right one .

JLN Labs got 15 times , thats a very nice cell they built.
The gas coming from the cell is filtered and release outside the living space.
I don't us baking soda anymore though  as I have posted on youtube this is  tap water.
The way I figured out the heat was enough to show me it will make a nice floor heating system . So I built it.
There is more maintenance than I would like. But I will solve that soon. I will build new reactor using a tungsten wire feed system and fully automate the process.
Yes Tungsten is consumed but at a much low rate than what most have seen in this type of cell do to ,two different resigns. The reactor never goes over 200*F and the system is intermittent.

Also green tip rod is better. But temps and current are very important here.You must turn the reactor on and off as I have described to retain the tungsten for long periods of time. Understand that if you water temps goes up to full boil your rod temp goes way up.


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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2007, 03:42:47 AM »
IronHead I see,
Many thanks for the infos.
In the YouTube video you wrote you used Sodium Chloride ( Tablesalt , NaCl).

Is this necessary or did you drop it now and only use tap water now ?

In the video one can see, that the arc is pretty yellow,
which means Natrium ( Sodium) is involved, but it could
release some Chlorine gas, which is toxic.

So could this be used at all without any electrolyte salt ?

I guess you are right, it needs a good temperature control circuit,
so the water never goes over a certain level of temperature and
the current pulses must be controlled for the best and most
economic burning and lowest Tungsten consumption.

Maybe also TungstenCarbid ( WoC) rods can be used ?

It is said to be still harder than just Tungsten.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2007, 03:48:16 AM »
IronHead I see,
Many thanks for the infos.
In the YouTube video you wrote you used Sodium Chloride ( Tablesalt , NaCl).

Is this necessary or did you drop it now and only use tap water now ?

In the video one can see, that the arc is pretty yellow,
which means Natrium ( Sodium) is involved, but it could
release some Chlorine gas, which is toxic.

So could this be used at all without any electrolyte salt ?




I guess you are right, it needs a good temperature control circuit,
so the water never goes over a certain level of temperature and
the current pulses must be controlled for the best and most
economic burning and lowest Tungsten consumption.

Maybe also TungstenCarbid ( WoC) rods can be used ?

It is said to be still harder than just Tungsten.

Regards, Stefan.

This is my video. I wrote nothing about salt.
maybe there is a link problem. The color might be from my water it is well water.
So I am sure there is all kinds of nasty stuff in it  lol
This is why I vent the gas out and run through carbon and resin scubber.

And the green rod is a pure tungsten version .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeTQW2pH2Oc



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« Last Edit: April 14, 2007, 06:33:00 PM by IronHead »

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2007, 03:50:57 AM »
Hmm,
here is another simular video and the guy  "majorvoltage"  there wrote this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RICa4OW38bI



majorvoltage :
With about 150 volts DC applied to aquious sodium chloride elecrolyte through tungsten electrodes. The cathode is made to have a much smaller surface area than the anode so that the hydrogen produced on it surrounds it and forces the current to arc through it, turning it into plasma.

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Is this also another useraccount from you IronHead ?

Did you earlier use sodium chloride elecrolyte ?

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2007, 03:57:50 AM »
Hmm,
here is another simular video and the guy  "majorvoltage"  there wrote this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RICa4OW38bI



majorvoltage :
With about 150 volts DC applied to aquious sodium chloride elecrolyte through tungsten electrodes. The cathode is made to have a much smaller surface area than the anode so that the hydrogen produced on it surrounds it and forces the current to arc through it, turning it into plasma.

============

Is this also another useraccount from you IronHead ?

Did you earlier use sodium chloride elecrolyte ?

No thats not me  but that guy did post to my video and message me asking how to make a good stable arc. You can see a huge differance between mine and his  he is at 150Volts with salt ...  I am at 120V in tap water. But puls e is the key here. even just using 120hz you will do much better then he is showing

Also  that kind of thing will eat up tungsten in a very short time.I think it is because the plasma is not coming away from the rod, understand ?
If you look very close at mine there seems to be a sort of cavitation pocket
at the tip of the rod.

One more thing, and you only see this on camera, There seems to be specs of electric charged particles jumping into a steam . I have better video of this happening . In one video the are dancing all around the  SS screen.




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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2007, 04:14:19 AM »
I see,
yeah, it seems you have to generate the Hydrogen gas with a pulse and then
cut off sharply the power, so that the Hydrogen gas just jumps away from the
electrode and the recombines in the arc with the generated oxygen at a distance from
the electrodes...
I guess this requires a good tuned pulsing circuit setup to reduce the consumption
of the TungstenCarbid rod.

Is the Stainless Steel mesh also consumed in your device, IronHead ?

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2007, 04:24:26 AM »
I see,
yeah, it seems you have to generate the Hydrogen gas with a pulse and then
cut off sharply the power, so that the Hydrogen gas just jumps away from the
electrode and the recombines in the arc with the generated oxygen at a distance from
the electrodes...
I guess this requires a good tuned pulsing circuit setup to reduce the consumption
of the TungstenCarbid rod.

Is the Stainless Steel mesh also consumed in your device, IronHead ?

Not as of yet there are some tiny holes in it so far like burn holes.
I am uploading the video with the electron looking activity to YouTub now.

Damn they compressed it to much you can't see them now. I need a place to store a video of this, it is fascinating.   3.7 megs



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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2007, 04:33:28 AM »
Here we go , take a look at this ,the blue electric like critters.This one burned up  but you get the idea.

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2007, 06:50:50 AM »
Hi IronHead,
is this new video now 90 degrees rotated ?
Where is the Tungstencarbid rod coming into the mesh tube ?
From the right side ?
Many thanks.

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2007, 09:35:51 PM »
Fusion Dance AVI
The reactor is vertical  the video was taken at 90* to get the full shot.

Tungsten blue tip rod enters from the right. This rod burned up fast about 2 hours.
Also the screen burned up in about 12 hours on this old test, about 3 years old.

This reactor did release a lot of energy, but as you can see the pulses were getting close but not right. This arc is considered unstable.

Do not use Blue Tip rods  use the Green Tip Pure Tungsten rod.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2007, 08:52:17 PM by IronHead »

 

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