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Branko

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2007, 09:41:31 AM »
Maybe principle with aluminum, and high frequency, explain on my web pages http://free-ri.htnet.hr/Branko/index.html will help. If someone has deuterium source can try this.

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2007, 07:26:34 PM »
Aluminum Oxide production in a plasma or electrolysis reaction  is highly poisonous.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2007, 08:16:24 PM by IronHead »

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2007, 08:00:25 AM »
Sorry, but I can't see how can Al2O3 be poison. Plasma on aluminum in water without any acid or lye is clean hydrogen source. And Al2O3 can be collect for reuse again.

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2007, 01:53:05 PM »
Many materials will transmutate in these conditions . Finding what turns into what is an endless battle for me.

All I can say is please if you do this, vent the gas as quick as possible while testing. Prolonged Al2O3 exposure will damage the lung tissue. Here is a shot on it and there is much more on the net about this.

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:WxokboUEgjkJ:nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/2891.pdf+is+Aluminum+Oxide+gas+poison&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us

Also make sure there is not a spec of salt or chlorine in the water or you will produce Aluminum chloride , very nasty stuff.
Aluminum Chloride reacts with WATER or STEAM to produce poisonous Hydrogen Chloride gas and heat

Just trying to help
IronHead
« Last Edit: April 10, 2007, 05:58:58 PM by IronHead »

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2007, 10:39:32 AM »
Thanks, IronHeads!
I use clean water, and aluminum.
But, I get your point.
Who knows, what elements in aluminum can be?
I think it can be maybe way to nuclear transformation too.
But rays are all around us, from space, and I don't use deuterium (but in can be in water).
Thanks again!

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2007, 02:05:18 AM »
I would really like to see more on your studies and works . Maybe you can post some videos or pictures in the future?

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2007, 11:33:44 AM »
Yes, I will put some pictures on my web: http://free-ri.htnet.hr/Branko/index.html
Now, I work on solar energy (yesterday I collect more than 10 kWh of energy).
I need to finish this first.
Energy for home is my priority.
Second priority will be energy for car.
I only have some principles and must see what will be the best.

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2007, 07:02:17 PM »
Aluminum is an element itself. Aluminum alloys like that of 6061 or T6 as it is called has many elements.

Aluminum (Al)    95.8 - 98.6%
Chromium (Cr)    0.04 - 0.35%
Copper (Cu)    0.15 - 0.40%
Magnesium (Mg)    0.8 - 1.2%
Manganese (Mn)    0.15% max
Silicon (Si)    2.8 - 3.8%
Zinc (Zn)    1.5% max

But here's what happens in a reactor.
If you pull off a negative electron from the "aluminum atom"or any other and do away with that electron  (burn it off as heat) then that atom becomes unstable and will do anything it can to stabilize. So if there is another type of atom in the cell with missing electrons they can attract and combined. This will make a whole new substance.

This is what you are doing in a reactor, you are pulling electrons off of there atoms .This happens when you break the hydrogen oxygen bond.
Hydrogen with its positive charge is attracted to the negative side of you cell and oxygen attracted to the positive side of the cell because opposites attract . There electrons are now freed or liberated  . If these negative electrons are not burned off they will recombined 2H2 O2 back to H20 or will bind to another chemical that has missing electrons the like. If there are no  liberated electrons left in the water then atoms with missing electrons will start to bind to each other making new chemicals.

And guess what we are doing in a plasma cell that we are not doing in HHO electrolysis
cell. We are burning off electrons right away , not all but enough to start building new structures .Atoms can get there electrons from the power source but not when it is in the off position of the pulse.

This not only happens to the water ,it happens to every chemical in the water.

Learn it
IronHead
« Last Edit: April 15, 2007, 03:24:13 AM by IronHead »

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2007, 09:15:41 AM »
Yes, you are right...
But, that is (I think) more clean than electrolysis with NaOH or KOH. That impurity problem is in all system that I now. I only use clean water (destil) and clean aluminum (foil for eating purpose). And hydrogen can be make. Every standard battery is worst option. It can be good source for car in combination of Tesla's combustion engine.
I will build this someday, when I finish my home solar system.
But I keep in mind your point!

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2007, 05:30:01 PM »
You have a very good idea and seem to be thinking in a safe way when it comes to the technology.
What I have posted above is for everyones understanding of what goes on  in the process.
Good luck on the build as well as your other endeavors.



Keep Building
IronHead

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2007, 01:23:15 AM »
Hello IH...

I like what you are doing here and have a few questions for you.

I have been looking into this lately and would like to use this method or a similar design for heating and hydrogen production if that is possible to do with a single unit.

However I am not sure I understand "the big picture" of it all.

I know squat about chemistry so I would need a system that has a known chemistry output or disposal means. 

My initial thoughts are to build a combination recirculator unit where hydrogen can be sucked off and compressed at the same time heat is being circulated if that is possible.

Then automatically monitor reactor temperature as you are doing.

I was thinking about pulling the heat off with a stainless 1/4" ID condensor coil around the inside of the reaction chamber.

Using the same 120 volt system as you are for simplicity sake is an excellent idea.

A few things I do not entirely understand are:

Would distilled water and potasium be the ticket to achieve a  stable chemical output? 

Apparently it goes boom if it hits a boil?

Using this method would the gas from it reasonably pure hydrogen, I assume it would be both hydrogen and oxygen mixed together?

Is the exhaust hot enough that it is worth using that heat too?

Do you have any idea how many btu's it puts out?  That is, is one unit roughly enough to heat say a 2000 sq ft home in the winter?

What do you think?








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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2007, 01:38:26 AM »
I've built it and it works great for a heater. I dont use any electrolyte, Just pure distilled water. Maintainence can be a pain if you let it get to hot, so a 180*f thermocouple or thermostat hooked to a variable speed grundfus pump. the kind used for radiant floor heat works well. As for output in BTUs i haven't calculated it. but it is far more efficient than your typical electric heater. Mine pulls 1.5 amps on full run and heats about 16 gal of water of 170F pretty quick. this i circulate to a bigger heat tank @52 gal and pump that into the floor loop 2000ft of 1/2'' Pex. at about 94*F it works quite well. as for the HHO make sure you vent it or condense it back to H2o or you'll have a headache you wont soon forget. Most of the HHO turns back into H2o because of the arc but there is a little left over when your cell needs maintained. Usally every 2-3 weeks. I'll have to snap a few pics huh? Moab.

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2007, 03:44:05 AM »
Yes

what Moab said here is the way to do it.

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2007, 07:23:16 AM »
Thanks!

Here is what I woudl like to do with this rig.

So it generates HH can that be separateed from the O using an hv anode and cathode in the venting process or will i need to build a secondary unit to get hydrogen for the car?

This is a fundamental drawing of what i want to build without all the safety devices and such.  Does this all look reasonable to you all?

Thanks again for the info!  Very helpful!

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Re: Plasma Electrolysis by IronHead
« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2007, 07:45:16 AM »
Build it !
 keep us up to date on you progress ,and we will help along the way.

Here is a rod with a cheap ceramic sandblaster tip on , it works very well.

This is overunity , I just don't have time to prove it, nor do I wish to.
Maybe one of you guys will someday. I will soon release new info on how to pull the hot arc farther away from the tip.
Along the way I will be talking about the power of cavitation.
« Last Edit: April 30, 2007, 01:59:31 AM by IronHead »