Hi Sam,
interesting !
Please try to document these setups some more with schematic
and maybe if you can a video.

Do these spikes charge the capacitor or what are you doing with the spikes ?

Regards, Stefan.

@ Metaphysical,

There is no single document that has all the "right stuff". In fact, it is uncertain what all the right stuff is at the moment.

Everyone seems to have done their "own thing".

The circuit presented may not be the actual circuit and connections, because the video seems to indicate a different connection scheme, although the circuit as presented DOES match well with the presented waveforms, as per the work I've done with a simulation model.

Mike initially indicated that the motor will not self-run without the modification he implemented, then later we find out that the modification is not even connected in the video, and clearly the motor is running on its own. Also, supposedly there is a short somewhere in his coils, and may be the cause of the unexplained energy gain, but this is uncertain.

So you see, nothing is clear cut here. We're all in the same boat, and you're welcome to gather the info as many others have, and come to your own conclusions and theories.

I invite you to scan through my posts in this thread. This will give you most of the info required to build the motor at least in the mechanical sense. The actual circuit connections is still a mystery, but I'm working with the original presented diagram for now.

Darren

Hi (lot of positive qualifying terms) guys.

First of all: are your aware of these URLS. A must read IMO. If yes, sorry for jamming the forum.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bedini_SG:Self-Runner
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bedini_SG:Self-runner:Details
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bedini_SG:Self-runner:Window

This (fortunate) guy, "Rick" dub itself as a "philosopher".
He says that an accurate timing process is the key.

Now, what is saying SPP-48?

If the negative or positive connection from the capacitor to the motor is interrupted with a reed switch angled a certain way in relation to the flywheel magnet, the charging voltage shoots up very quickly when the rotor is spun manually.

And also:

There is a very small tolerance in the reed switch position, and the spikes suddenly disappear if the reed is moved ever so slightly.

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Else:
@Z_P_E.
I have made some measurements on the cap charging time with L2 coil only and also with L2+L3 connected as you indicated. With l2 + L3 it charges slightly faster but not above 6 volts (in more than 30 seconds). Some graphs to come (soon?).

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For the few of you that could still be interested in my (non-self-working-on-a-47000-micro-Farad-Cap-Modified-Window-Motor):
I have removed this hall probe. It drew about 15 milamps. The Crouzet relay was already removed. Now my 'motor' is only drawing 26 mili amps when connected to the 7.2 bats.  I will purchase a tachymeter.

I'm just wondering if these Crouzet relay and Hall probe are of any use?
Perhaps some good reed switches are enough?

Best (and welcome to Metaphysical).

I'm not going to get too excited about Rick's "Self Runner" until someone does some real load testing on the charged batteries.  The only parameter being tested is the terminal voltage on the batteries.  In my opinion this is jumping to conclusions.  The terminal voltage of the batteries is not a reliable indication of the condition of the batteries.

The motor hits the charging batteries with very high voltages.  I think these voltage spikes may be artificially pumping up the voltage on the batteries, without really deep charging the batteries.

I would like to see someone loading the batteries in a controlled way to discharge them a known amount, then charge them again, etc.  I am only seeing claims that voltages are going up on the batteries.  No testing to see whether the batteries will do anything.  I have batteries that check ok on voltage that won't hold any charge.  I don't think just checking the voltage is good enough to make the claims being made.

Maybe Rick has been rotating the batteries?

I don't know.  I don't think so, but asking any tough questions is highly discouraged - as though you are attacking them.  I am bothered by the insistence on using batteries and using terminal voltage as the indicator that something is "working".  I certainly wouldn't call the system "self running" until it has run for a few years of rotating the batteries or something.

I think that what might be happening could be more of a chemical effect in the batteries than tapping the zero point.  I wish a battery expert would give some opinions on what happens when you pulse a battery with spikes much higher than the battery voltage, etc.

I also find it interesting how every time they make "an advance" in their devices they get very excited, even though they supposedly did the very same thing in 1984, and hundreds of times since.  If what they are doing is so passe, and they have been doing the very same thing for 20+ years, why do they get so excited?  "This is really it this time (but we've been doing this all along)".  It is easy get the feeling they don't even believe themselves.

I get the feeling that they are nervous about really testing the batteries because it might disprove what they are doing.  There are obvious ways to prove whether or not the system is gaining energy, but they seem to avoid the kinds of tests that would prove it. (rotating batteries, discharging the batteries through known loads for given time periods, etc.)

If they can remove a battery, discharge it through a fixed resistor bank for some number of minutes, record the terminal voltage before and after the battery discharges, rotate the battery back into the system, then keep doing this with all batteries, etc., they can prove that the system works in fairly short order.  If they can't show this, they really have nothing of use.

These are just my opinions, of course.

db

@DB,

I can't say I disagree with what you're saying. Guess it's time to build these things and discover for ourselves what can be done with these systems?

@Molux,

Rick's information certainly is more clear than what was presented by Mike, but Mike's apparent discovery shouldn't be dismissed quite yet. Even John hasn't completely given up on it. Can anyone be 100% certain it is fake or real?...no.

It's up to each individual if they want to continue pursuing a self-running window motor as per Mike, so please respect that.

Regards,
Darren

I all,

Ok, i have understood under the John Bedini vid?o have demonstrate completly the Fraud, but effectively perhaps i dont understand all very well. I'm going to investgate more about that. Here the famous video: http://www.syscoil.org/index.php?cmd=nav&cid=58.
But why does Mike dont appear just after the demonstration ?

Last days, i spend my time to buy pr?conized mat?rial, for exemple in france Lincoln R60 are not easy to find, and John Bedini say painted iron bars are not very well ! another exemple the copper sell in small quantity, etc... But when my replication are ready i say to you and i share my informations.(good or not)

Under all, you have right, everyone do what he want...

Molux

darren, how much trouble would it be for you to affect that kind of change in your sim?

charlie_r,

That would not be too difficult if I understand correctly what you want to do. You want to advance or retard (re-position in time) either L2 or L3?

If so, I would decouple this coil from the other 3, add a second induction coil and either add or subtract phase angle to this second induction coil's generator (relative to the other generator) to create the angle offset.

What would this change/test accomplish in your opinion?

Darren