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A prophecy IS a prediction.

The whole statement is:
A prophecy IS a prediction that is never verified, except statistically (no one is mistaken all the time).

I would ask the question many seem to overlook... what just happened here?. Why are we talking about this quackery called religion?.

The fact is most religious people are narcissistic abusive personality types who seem to enjoy gaslighting other people. It works like this, Citfa can't mind his own business and has to drag God and religion into every conversation. Then when someone confronts him he claims to be the victim which is classic gaslighting ... victimizing the victim.

You see the religious quacks cannot seem to keep their mouth shut or mind their own business or stay out of education and government because they know that whenever anyone confronts them about their abusive behavior they can always play the "I'm the victim" card. This is how the abusive cult known as religion spreads among the population because the conversation was designed to be one sided.

That is, I can say anything I want concerning my beliefs or religion however if you ever question or contradict me I will claim to be a victim, that I am being persecuted and that you are spreading hate. Do you see how that works?, I can say or do almost anything I want however if you ever question me about my beliefs you are the bad guy victimizing me. If fact it is just the opposite and these religious quacks spreading lies are gaslighting everyone.

So how do we prevent this kind of sadistic psychological warfare?, it is not easy however there are a few ways to do it.
1) Simply walk away and refuse to take part in nonsensical conversations which misrepresent the facts.
2) Confront them directly, I like to say "prove it" prove what you say or I cannot believe it. Just keep repeating prove it or show me proof and there absurd arguments basically fall apart.

I like to think of it this way, everyone has a right to their own beliefs however I also have the right to reject their nonsensical lies and call them out. They can believe whatever they want so long as they keep it to themselves, keep away from my family and out of my schools and government.

To Onepower,

This discussion about religion started with the following post by memoryman.  I certainly agree you have a right to your opinion.  And when someone attacks my beliefs I also have a right to defend those beliefs.  If that offends you that is too bad.  I will make no apology for what I believe.  Don't attack what I believe and I won't respond.  I stopped responding on this thread until you FALSELY accused me of bringing religion into this thread.

The lack of understanding of basic physics and math is what makes these posts so entertaining!
I suspect that there is a strong correlation between posters 'believing' in their idea of OU and 'faith' in a deity/god/spirituality.

Respectfully,
Carroll

To memoryman,
You need to read that post again.  It was directed to onepower, not you.  I was trying to explain to him that my posts were in response to your post claiming belief in God was not valid.

The first line of my response still applies.
"your post claiming belief in God was not valid." I claim that there is insufficient evidence for the existence of a god. No theist has ever been able to provide any evidence to me.

And when I gave you some information proving scientifically that evolution was false you refused to even look at it claiming it was pseudo science even though it was presented by two large universities and two international scientists.  And it was presented in a scientific journal and posted on a scientific web site.

The real problem is that what I believe offends people like onepower.  Why is that?  If I believed in pink unicorns no one would care that I posted that on this forum.  Or if I believed in the tooth fairy no one would object.  But when I post that I believe in a Creator, I get a bunch of flack.  Hmmm.  Maybe deep in their heart they know I am telling the truth and they don't want to hear it.

Out of respect for others who may want to actually read what this thread is supposed to be about I will not respond any further.


Again, Respectfully,
Carroll

The first line of my response still applies.
"your post claiming belief in God was not valid." I claim that there is insufficient evidence for the existence of a god. No theist has ever been able to provide any evidence to me.

"I claim that there is insufficient evidence for the existence of a god."
Ok. But can you prove that God does not exist?
In the real world, we never see things jumping into existence out of nothingness, but atheists want to make 1 small exception to this. The big bang and life itself.

Richard Dawkins said, If you tell me that God created the universe, then you tell me who created God?
Dawkins question only makes sense of a God that has been created. It doesnt make sense in terms of an uncreated God. We could turn that question around and say, if the universe created you, then who created the universe???
Mags

Some times i find it so hard to believe that these days there are still those that have an imaginary friend during adulthood 

For those that say evolution is rubbish,and man had a creator,well you simply must be blind,or should i say--blinded by your belief-->and it is only a belief,not a scientific fact.

You insist that man was created some 6000 odd years ago,when it has been proven beyond doubt that that is simply rubbish.

Was Adam and Eve white,black,brown,red or yellow?
As they could not be all of the above,stand back and have a look at evolution of man-->evolution is the ability to change to suit your environment. We have this proof right here in australia,as well as many other nations of the world.
White skin men and women are from cooler nations,such as my ancestors were.
While the Aboriginal people that have been enduring our hot,dry country for over 20,000 years have dark/black skin.  This is evolution-->the ability to adapt to suit your environment.

Us humans now have the ability to make life--to clone existing life-->dose this make us GODs ?.
We can create materials from other raw material-->dose this make us GODs ?.

The bible tells us that the earth was created when?
Science shows us that the earth was created well before then.
Carbon dating tells us man was walking the earth long before the bible tells us GOD created man.
Then there are the good old dinosaurs--how long ago did they roam the earth ?

So,if there was Adam and Eve,and they then had children-->where did the third generation come from?.
Are we to believe that GOD put man in a position where incest was the only way forward--a GOD that shuns incest ?.

Then there is the Noah story.
Science and common sense tells us that there is not enough water on our planet to cover all land masses--not even when the polar ice all melts.
Science and engineering has proven that the arc could not have been as large as it needed to be to carry two of every animal,and stay together.
Man today cannot build a wooden boat that size without it breaking up.

Are we also happy to believe in a GOD that committed genocide against his own creation.
Your bible tells us that your GOD murdered millions of innocent men,women,and children--the ones that never got an invite to the arc. I can assure you that most that were murdered by this GOD were innocent of any wrong doing.
Millions of innocent animals--the ones that never got an invite to the arc
These are the parts of the stories that the believers like to leave out--cant have there GOD portrayed as the murderer he was.

I am not sure where the believers get there information that shows science proves GOD is real,or the bible represents fact,as science has proven time after time that the earth formed over millions of year from space dust,rocks,comets-and so on-just like every other solid planet in the universe.

We can see evolution right before our eyes,and yet still the believers say we were created by GOD.
Who then created this GOD ?.

So many war's,and so many abused children--all in the name of religion.

No thanks.'
I will remain with my feet firmly on the ground,and have nothing to do with this murderous,damaging religion BS.

Sorry if i offend anyone,but were are all entitled to our opinion-right?
Difference being,mine is backed by science and proof.

Brad

... Initially some kind of intelligence was required. 
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No. It is precisely Darwin's intelligence to have shown that simple cause-and-effect relationships obeing the laws of physics can lead to complex systems found in the so-called living world.
Darwin's intelligence is unfortunately not within the reach of all human intelligence, evolution still has work to do!