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Author Topic: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.  (Read 8161 times)

Offline telecom

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2019, 02:43:14 PM »
I agree. The height of ignorance can be seen in explanations that take some principles of physics (gravity acting on water, vacuum sucking, pressure...) to conclude that energy is not conserved.

This non-sense is not even a question of physics, but of pure logic and math. Any mechanical system can be described by a Lagrangian which by definition takes energy conservation as an operating principle. This description is fully compatible with a description by forces, weight, speed, pressure and so on, both descriptions are logically related and true or false together. It is therefore absurd to use classical reasoning with forces, weight, speed, gravity, pressure etc. to conclude that there is overunity, it's fake physics and mathematically false. 

The known laws of physics imply the energy conservation for reasons of pure logic and consistency of their internal formalism.
So
- either the known laws of physics apply, then you must suppose or reveal a hidden energy source from which an apparent overunity would originate,
- or the known laws of physics don't apply, and then you can't use them to prove overunity. Instead, you must provide undoubted experimental evidence, and then a new theory will have to be developed.


In the videos, there is no evidence that the outlet is higher than the inlet: end of the scientific analysis, there is no overunity until proof of the contrary.

You have to take atmospheric pressure into the equation. than nothing is violated.
1kgF/cm2.
Atmospheric pressure can lift mercury up to 760mm.
Since mercury is 13.6 times heavier than the water, water can be lifted up to
.76 m x 13.6 = 10.3 m.
So it can be lifted  10 m only by the atmospheric pressure.
It was discovered by Torricelli in 1643.
(This note is for you, physics warriors)

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2019, 03:24:31 PM »
You have to take atmospheric pressure into the equation. than nothing is violated.
1kgF/cm2.
Atmospheric pressure can lift mercury up to 760mm.
Since mercury is 13.6 times heavier than the water, water can be lifted up to
.76 m x 13.6 = 10.3 m.
So it can be lifted  10 m only by the atmospheric pressure.
It was discovered by Torricelli in 1643.
(This note is for you, physics warriors)

I don't consider myself a physics warrior.  But I spent 26 years as a volunteer firefighter.  Guess what they use to put out fires?  WATER!!  We had to pump water to put out the fires.  The principles of moving water against gravity are clearly known.  As you have correctly stated atmospheric pressure can raise water a total height of 10 meters if there is a complete vacuum at the top of the column of water.  But what you keep ignoring is that same air pressure is also trying to keep water from flowing down the discharge tube.  The only way to have an unbalanced condition that will let water flow out the discharge is if the discharge line has more vertical height than the intake line.  PERIOD!

Get you some soda straws and some plastic containers you can seal up and build something to prove I am wrong.

Carroll

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2019, 04:18:12 PM »
The lack of understanding of basic physics and math is what makes these posts so entertaining!
I suspect that there is a strong correlation between posters 'believing' in their idea of OU and 'faith' in a deity/god/spirituality.

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2019, 05:25:18 PM »
The lack of understanding of basic physics and math is what makes these posts so entertaining!
I suspect that there is a strong correlation between posters 'believing' in their idea of OU and 'faith' in a deity/god/spirituality.


Well that is another very false assumption.  Most Christians like myself believe very strongly that the God who created this universe and all that is in it, also created it with very strict laws of how it would operate.  If that were not true then the universe would have  quickly fallen apart.  I am also quite sure there are very many things we don't understand about how it operates, so it is interesting to keep searching for what we don't know.  As I have posted before on this and other forums, nearly all the fields of modern scientific study were started by men that recognized that someone had to have set the rules and order for how things work.  The main stream media would love for you to believe that believing in a creator means you can't believe in science also.  That is a very BIG LIE.


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Carroll



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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2019, 07:02:06 PM »
You have to take atmospheric pressure into the equation. than nothing is violated.
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To get energy from anything is easy. A falling stone can produce energy. Two attracting magnets also.
The point was only "overunity", i.e an endless cycle.
When nothing is violated, there is no overunity.

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2019, 07:01:01 PM »
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The main stream media would love for you to believe that believing in a creator means you can't believe in science also.  That is a very BIG LIE.
The most fundamental premise of science is the "Conservation of Mass and Energy". That is nothing can be created or destroyed only transformed thus the notion of creation will always be incompatible with science. Science also tells us that repeating a fallacy over and over does not make it any more or less true only repetitious.

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2019, 08:09:03 PM »
CitfaThe most fundamental premise of science is the "Conservation of Mass and Energy". That is nothing can be created or destroyed only transformed thus the notion of creation will always be incompatible with science. Science also tells us that repeating a fallacy over and over does not make it any more or less true only repetitious.

It appears you are unaware of the fact that almost every field of scientific study was originally started by men and women who believed in a creator.  Their study was started because they wanted to learn more about this amazing world the creator created.  And more and more evidence shows this world was created by design and not by accident.

A recent study done on the DNA of over 100,000 animals showed that they all came into existence at almost the exact same time.  And the study also found that the DNA clearly showed genetic boundaries between the species.  There is no SCIENTIFIC evidence whatsoever that evolution happened.  The DNA also showed that the age of the animal species also was the same age as the human race.  All this study was written up in a SCIENTIFIC journal.  Of course you will not hear about any of this on the main stream media.  And this is only one of the many things recently discovered that support the Bible.

Just the fact that the nation of Israel is back in existence after almost 2000 years is proof that the Bible is true.  The old testament prophets correctly predicted over 2500 years ago that the nation of Israel would be destroyed and the people scattered all over the world.  They also predicted the nation of Israel would become a nation again with the members of the Jewish race once again coming back to the Promised Land.  And all that has happened just as the old testament prophets said it would.


The article about the DNA was posted to the website www.physics.org.  It was posted sometime in late May if I recall correctly.  The article was written by Marlowe Hood.  The study involved over 5 million gene snapshots or "DNA barcodes" taken from more than 100,000 animals.  These DNA barcodes came from the GenBank database which is managed by the US government.  The study was done by Mark Stoeckle of the Rockefeller University in New York and David Thaler of the University of Basel in Switzerland.  The website where this was posted is clearly pro evolution and is still are pushing the myth of evolution even after this study was posted there.


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Carroll

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2019, 08:15:32 PM »
Any 'prediction' that is open-ended (non-specific) in space or time is useless. The Bible has NO meaningful 'predictions' at all.

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2019, 10:38:18 PM »
Any 'prediction' that is open-ended (non-specific) in space or time is useless. The Bible has NO meaningful 'predictions' at all.


It is quite obvious you have never done any research on your own about the Bible.  You have only listened to the lies told by others.  Jesus while on the earth fulfilled over 300 prophecies that were foretold about Him by the Old Testament prophets.


To get back to science for a minute.  There was a famous atheist who lived in England.  I don't recall his name right now.  He was an astronomer and a famous mathematician.  He determined to prove that evolution was possible mathematically.  If I recall correctly he spent over a year gathering data from biologists and others interested in the field of evolution.  Then he went to work calculating how evolution could have happened.

His conclusion was that it was mathematically impossible for evolution to have occurred.  As he explained it,  it was more likely that a tornado could got through an auto junk yard and mix up all the stuff there and when the tornado left there would be a fully functional 747 aircraft.  The simple law of entropy is clear evidence that things do not get better by accident.  They only get worse.  So to believe that all the beautiful and unique things that are in this world happened by accident is clearly delusional.

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Carroll

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2019, 11:02:24 PM »

It is quite obvious you have never done any research on your own about the Bible.  You have only listened to the lies told by others.  Jesus while on the earth fulfilled over 300 prophecies that were foretold about Him by the Old Testament prophets.


To get back to science for a minute.  There was a famous atheist who lived in England.  I don't recall his name right now.  He was an astronomer and a famous mathematician.  He determined to prove that evolution was possible mathematically.  If I recall correctly he spent over a year gathering data from biologists and others interested in the field of evolution.  Then he went to work calculating how evolution could have happened.

His conclusion was that it was mathematically impossible for evolution to have occurred.  As he explained it,  it was more likely that a tornado could got through an auto junkyard and mix up all the stuff there and when the tornado left there would be a fully functional 747 aircraft.  The simple law of entropy is clear evidence that things do not get better by accident.  They only get worse.  So to believe that all the beautiful and unique things that are in this world happened by accident is clearly delusional.

Respectfully,
Carroll
Yeah thanks for the recital from the King James book of lies sorry I meant over 250 translation errors where they actually swap the creator with Satan, Any way Do you mean Yahway or Yesuha Sun of Joseph (sorry another mistake).

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2019, 02:16:32 AM »
Carroll, why don't you give me the BEST 'prediction' from the bible?

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2019, 05:51:19 AM »
The VC idea looks interesting.


I suspect that this was how so many mud volcanoes were formed in Indonesia.


Don't worry about the trolls. They are not comfortable because you talk about something out of the syllabus of their high school physics.

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« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2019, 07:21:04 AM »
Can they close the loop?




Some years ago, a poster called Dave has proposed a similar idea to suck water up by capillary effect and then use natural condensation means to close the loop .  I was initially skeptical and I was also one of the trolls who posted negative messages. (Please forgive my ignorance at that time).......  During the years of disappearance from this message board, I accidentally found a document about a chemist being able to use a reversible chemical reason to cause artificial condensation and hence to close this loop. The phenomenon of this experiment eventually became a well known chemical effect. I just cannot remember the name of this effect.

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2019, 01:17:25 PM »
Carroll, why don't you give me the BEST 'prediction' from the bible?

The Bible doesn't do "predictions".  Predictions are what the weather forecasters do.  They gather all the data they can find and then make a best guess as to what will happen.  Most of the time they are pretty close.  But sometimes they miss it badly.

The prophecies of the Bible are what God has said will happen.  And they have and WILL happen.  I have no way to know what you would consider the BEST prophecy.  But I will tell you what God has said about the future.  Maybe you will live long enough to see it all happen.  God said the nation of Israel would be reborn.  I have already posted that.  But he also said they would be opposed by every nation on earth.  That is almost true now.  The US is just about the only nation still willing to stand up for Israel.  But God has said that the tiny nation of Israel will never be destroyed again.  And if you would take the time to do a little research you would learn their very existence is proof of God's protection.  Shorty after they became a nation in 1948 they were attacked from all sides be several of the mideastern countries.  Against over whelming odds the tiny group of ragtag men and women with no modern weapons defeated their enemies.

You can do the research and you will find that in every war against them since that time they have won against armies and airforces much larger than theirs.  Sometime in the probably not too distant future they will be attacked again by a coalition of Russia, Turkey and Iran.  They will again defeat their enemies with God's help.  I hope you live long enough to see that and maybe you will remember that I posted this.  And then maybe you will realize God's prophecies are not the same as predictions.

I have noticed that you have totally ignored the scientific evidence I have presented.  Did you even look at the link I provided to check out the SCIENTIFIC  proof that evolution was not possible?

We have derailed this thread long enough.  I am sure I am wasting my time trying to convince you to look for truth instead of following the lies put out by the main stream media.  But hopefully some will read my posts and realize they have been lied to by the media.


Good bye,  I will pray for you.
Carroll

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2019, 03:04:17 PM »
A prophecy IS a prediction. It says what is expected to happen at some place in the future.
So, give me what YOU consider the bible's best prophecy.
Decades ago I actually studied the bible.
You don't know that "I totally ignored the scientific evidence I have presented. Did you even look at the link I provided to check out the SCIENTIFIC proof that evolution was not possible?" just because I did not bother mentioning the pseudo-scientific stuff you referred to.
How old is the earth? The universe? What scientific method did you use to determine that?
Don't bother with praying; it is totally useless.

 

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