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Author Topic: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.  (Read 8127 times)

Offline citfta

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #60 on: February 01, 2019, 04:42:36 PM »
No. It is precisely Darwin's intelligence to have shown that simple cause-and-effect relationships obeing the laws of physics can lead to complex systems found in the so-called living world.
Darwin's intelligence is unfortunately not within the reach of all human intelligence, evolution still has work to do!  ;D

Instead of blindly following the lies of main stream media why don't you do some original research of your own?  Darwin clearly says in his writings ( I have read them ) that he could not come up with any reasonable explanation for such complex organisms such as the eye.  There is no reasonable way to explain an eye using the idea that evolution occurred over a period of time with slow improvements.  The eye involves several mechanisms that all have to work together and without all of them the rest of them are useless.  So how could they have slowly evolved over time?  And by the way this is exactly the example Darwin himself used when he clearly stated he had doubts about his theory of evolution.  He also gave other examples of complex organisms that can't be explained by evolution.  And none  of the missing links he was hoping would be some day found have ever been found.  Every one of them that have supposedly been found have all been proven to be hoaxes.  If you would read the genetic study I referred to earlier it clearly shows genetic boundaries between species that rules out the possibility of evolution as imagined by Darwin.


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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #61 on: February 01, 2019, 06:01:16 PM »
Carroll, you said that you wouldn't clutter this site with religion.
Your arguments are the standard " I can't explain it, I don't understand it, therefore God" it is called the argument from ignorance.

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #62 on: February 01, 2019, 06:13:27 PM »
My last post had nothing to do with God.  It was only about the myth of evolution.

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #62 on: February 01, 2019, 06:13:27 PM »
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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #63 on: February 01, 2019, 06:16:46 PM »
Thinly disguised.

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #64 on: February 01, 2019, 10:23:55 PM »
Instead of blindly following the lies of main stream media why don't you do some original research of your own?  Darwin clearly says in his writings ( I have read them ) that he could not come up with any reasonable explanation for such complex organisms such as the eye.  There is no reasonable way to explain an eye using the idea that evolution occurred over a period of time with slow improvements.  The eye involves several mechanisms that all have to work together and without all of them the rest of them are useless.  So how could they have slowly evolved over time?  And by the way this is exactly the example Darwin himself used when he clearly stated he had doubts about his theory of evolution.  He also gave other examples of complex organisms that can't be explained by evolution.  And none  of the missing links he was hoping would be some day found have ever been found.  Every one of them that have supposedly been found have all been proven to be hoaxes.  If you would read the genetic study I referred to earlier it clearly shows genetic boundaries between species that rules out the possibility of evolution as imagined by Darwin.


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Carroll

I do research, I also do what I want and certainly not what anyone advises me, based on his ignorance or his faith, and I am not following the "main stream" except when it has demonstrated his point, which is the case of Darwin, which is not the case of religious theories, and which is also the case of the theory of evolution which has progressed since the Darwin discovery: you seem to ignore it but since the 19th century, science of evolution has progressed and has confirmed the essential points from Darwin.

About Darwin, when you have solid objections expressed scientifically, neither ad hominem attacks nor childish and irrelevant remarks found everywhere among creationists (like this story of the eye that is perfectly explained today), thank you for coming back, we can talk.

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #65 on: February 01, 2019, 10:47:01 PM »
Carroll, you said that you wouldn't clutter this site with religion.
Your arguments are the standard " I can't explain it, I don't understand it, therefore God" it is called the argument from ignorance.

Good point! Believer and religious minds have always placed their divine mysteries and myths in the unknown. If they placed them in the known, they would obviously appeared as idiots, since in the known, there is no mystery!   :D

As science progresses, the unknown regresses and many superstitions have been eliminated, as the devil once saw by believers in epilepsy attacks. But the believer and religious minds have moved their mysteries elsewhere, into the remaining unknown, drawing no lessons from the past. They even try to create unknown to place more easily their superstitions, by fighting well established theories as this of the evolution, regardless of reason and facts. They are still the spearheads of obscurantism.


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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #66 on: February 01, 2019, 11:14:48 PM »
I don't understand why so many people feel that an evolutionary process in which life forms originate
or are changed, is seen as contradictory to creationism.
 
Couldn't creation occur through stages and processes..... or any other way, that "an all powerful god" wanted it to.?

btw
Modern understanding  of evolution doesn't say that humans descend  from apes, it says that both man and
ape have a common ancestry, and that all life on earth likely has a common ancestry.

Bible says, the universe was created in 6 days and on the seventh day god rested.
This seems to me, to be a symbolic or metaphorical statement. 
               because .............
How does one define a days worth of time (24 hours ?), before the earth was created ???

Science and reason, do not threaten my spirituality / religion.  They help inform them.

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #67 on: February 02, 2019, 01:57:39 AM »

About Darwin, when you have solid objections expressed scientifically, neither ad hominem attacks nor childish and irrelevant remarks found everywhere among creationists (like this story of the eye that is perfectly explained today), thank you for coming back, we can talk.

Respectfully,
F6FLT

Please provide a link or some source that can explain how the eye and sight could have evolved.  I WILL read it.

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Carroll

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #68 on: February 02, 2019, 02:50:11 AM »
Evolution explains an aspect of the world; even IF it were false or incomplete, that gap in our knowledge would not provide any evidence for a deity/deities.

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #69 on: February 02, 2019, 11:57:31 AM »
Please provide a link or some source that can explain how the eye and sight could have evolved.  I WILL read it.

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Carroll

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/10/041030215105.htm

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #70 on: February 02, 2019, 02:03:35 PM »
Sorry Francois,

But that article only shows that light sensitive cells in one organism are similar to light sensitive cells in another organism.  It does nothing to explain how the actual eye could have evolved with a lens, retina, the proper wiring in the brain to interpret the information from the retina and all the other actual working parts of an eye. 

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #71 on: February 02, 2019, 10:17:57 PM »
Sorry Francois,

But that article only shows that light sensitive cells in one organism are similar to light sensitive cells in another organism.  It does nothing to explain how the actual eye could have evolved with a lens, retina, the proper wiring in the brain to interpret the information from the retina and all the other actual working parts of an eye. 

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Carroll
give this a try, step by step changes to build an eye.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X1iwLqM2t0

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #72 on: February 03, 2019, 11:45:41 AM »
Reason is incompatible with faith.

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #73 on: February 03, 2019, 02:39:49 PM »
Politics ,Religion or sports
mix in Fellows ....and a brawl is soon to follow.
and here we are more diverse than most places .
my comments had nothing at all to do with religion ,for me
common sense ,perhaps I am just too much a simpleton

 as men we always try to make things better ,the universe has
had billions of years to make the "Best" eyes ears nose...etc..and NOWHERE can be found a single thing which lives forever.which IMO would be to build itself better than the last version
is this not the driving force behind evolution [the simple upgrade]

all this winning to survive ...just to loose the real battle??
nothing to do with religion at all...just paying attention @!!and wishing I could REALLY read this DNA language which we seem to have discovered...?
sigh...and I broke my own rule ...No politics religion or sports
 

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Re: A very easy method for overunity and its the real deal as they say.
« Reply #74 on: February 03, 2019, 03:03:48 PM »
IF a deity exists, I would expect it to do a much better job of 'designing' the universe. Ever noticed how hostile the world is to human life? How imperfect we are?

 

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