Thank you for your kind words Tommy. I hope to see one of your devices operating soon as well.
Attached is one of my hand dirtiers showing one vane causing the high pressurs and temp.
thanks for your interest.

aussiebattler,

This is my experience in working prototype, your design needs hp/rpm's to create pressure. The pressure produce is not free and the output is far less due to the factor of rpm's input vs thrust velocity output.

No different then a centrifugal pump, it take lots of energy to move fluids no matter if it's a volume of water or high pressure of water.

Just look at a pressure washer, do you think your design will create 500-4000 psi? The reason these pumps are pistons instead of centrifugal force impeller is due to amount of force a piston can push the water outward.

Clem engine used 7 stage( could be 7 pistons) hydraulic piston pump for a reason high pressure,temperature and lubrication. This also create the high temperature in the cooking oil, the reason he used cooking oil is the high flash point instead of oils. It is possible that injecting water into the high temperature cooking oil that created a phase change effect. Something I haven't done yet.

I will give you credit of starting to experiment, that's a plus. The question is do you think you're going to create enough pressure to over come input power?

I think this will be a good learning process to start with.

Tom

It is important to go back to the beginning.
Set aside (for a moment) the replications of people attempting to understand it.


Look at what was given to us by the inventor.


Look at the description of the device
And what we know about its’ characteristics.


The laws of convection dictate there are areas of hot and areas of less hot
contained in the stream of hot gasses from the burner.


The vortices separate these into a temperature (and subsequent pressure) differential.


This thermal potential is then converted into further rotational force,
simultaneously accelerating the process (to a system maximum) and also
lowering the (average) temperature of the gasses by converting heat to work.


The most interesting aspect of this device (to me) is not what it does or how it converts the heat to rotation, these things are trivial and mostly well understood.


The point of interest i find most intriguing is not even being mentioned here::
most arguments concern the output of the rotor.
But most seem to miss the point that the exhaust gasses (though colder than at the burner) are still well above ambient. If the claim of OU stops at the rotor!?! Where does that put the remaining thermal energy of the exhaust?


I suppose many engines are suspect in this area, have you ever compared the total energy consumed by your car, in terms of the mobility, recharging the electrical systems, and then try to add in all the heat output?
It is estimated (by Carnot) that 50% of your fuel is converted directly to heat losses.
Where does this heat go? Can we recover it? (Seebeck Exhaust Generators used to be a thing)


Exhaust from the Clem engine could possibly boil water after it leaves the machine.
i think if we are measuring efficiency or energy in and out, this should be done with respect to the thermal differential between the gas coming out of the burner, and the temperature of the exhaust.


It has been considered that the Rank/Hilsch device does not follow Carnot Law

What astounds me the most is that commentators on the Clem fail to explain where the energy that gives us 350 hp to drive the car and produces a bunch of heat as well (that we need to do away with ) comes from. Well of course we have heard about the breakdown of the cooking oil but this does not fit with Clem's dialouge.

Tommy
By your explanation it is not so incredible how the motor works but rather how much energy you can get out of a few bottles of cooking oil (even enough to pump it to high pressure as well)
ab

Tom
As I understand it Clem celebrated a free lunch and I am seeeking a similar meal.
I also wish you well in your endeavours

ab

Hello AB,


Thanks for the document.  The only thing I did not understand from the document is whether or not the outside cone rotates with the inner cone.  My understanding from what I have studied is that the outside cone needs to be stationary.  The friction between the oil at the boundary layer between the oil and the outside cone helps to increase the heating of the oil and thus helps increase the pressure which of course increases the thrust at the nozzles.


Thanks for your efforts and your sharing.
Carroll