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aussiebattler

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Re: A fresh look at the Clem motor
« Reply #75 on: April 13, 2023, 11:41:45 PM »
Thanks for your insight onepower
Perhaps now the quest for the "holy" grail is more on track than it had been.
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From Delta-T FB
Basic physics tells us that as pressure of a liquid increases so does it's temperature. Now if you have liquid flowing in tapering chanels while revolving at high speed you will get some very high pressure at the extremities. If you then release that liquid through small orifices you are setting up the "venturi effect" where the liquid will release energy giving up temperature in the process . The energy loss can then be restored by absorbing heat from the atmosphere -even on cold days . The result is no cost of fuel for 24/7 /365 and
suitable for all kinds of applications.
Do you think the oil companies or the wind and solar boys like this one?



BTW Bitumen and asphalt are two different things and require different types of pump

ab

sm0ky2

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Re: A fresh look at the Clem motor
« Reply #76 on: April 14, 2023, 03:06:31 PM »



I think you are looking at the inverse of whats going on within the engine.


My take on this is closer to Schauberger than Venturi.
venturi is the inside out perspective (toilet)



There have been many attempts to describe vortex action using venturi pressure inversion,
But the math simply is not compatible.

sm0ky2

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Re: A fresh look at the Clem motor
« Reply #77 on: April 14, 2023, 04:38:04 PM »
Here is a tool to experiment with:


You can get ahold of one of these or possibly 3-D print one.


https://www.wasserwirbler.de/english.html


And here is some data using a fuel with similar properties


https://repository.up.ac.za/bitstream/handle/2263/61941/Jafargholinejad_Simulation_2016.pdf?isAllowed=y&sequence=1

sm0ky2

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Re: A fresh look at the Clem motor
« Reply #78 on: April 14, 2023, 04:42:59 PM »
Putting this knowledge together with what we know of the device:


We see an internal reflection of heat; and a cold output


Once you’re done toying around with vortexes,


Watch this video: fast forward to about 43.5 minutes


https://youtu.be/yXPrLGUGZsw


This is a process of stimulating the environment, similar to how a hurricane or tornado forms.
But under a controlled condition. This process is considered to be exothermic.


In contrast, the Venturi effect reverses this process and requires energy input.
https://youtu.be/Pnr2PeJ7q5A
« Last Edit: April 14, 2023, 06:45:10 PM by sm0ky2 »

aussiebattler

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Re: A fresh look at the Clem motor
« Reply #79 on: April 14, 2023, 07:51:23 PM »
Hi smokey
So what is your experience in producing experiments to support Clem's motor ?

aussiebattler

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Re: A fresh look at the Clem motor
« Reply #80 on: April 14, 2023, 08:06:52 PM »


I think you are looking at the inverse of whats going on within the engine.


My take on this is closer to Schauberger than Venturi.
venturi is the inside out perspective (toilet)



There have been many attempts to describe vortex action using venturi pressure inversion,
But the math simply is not compatible.
Please explain how you get this 'inverse' status?
What do you say is happening at the nozzles?
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aussiebattler

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Re: A fresh look at the Clem motor
« Reply #81 on: April 15, 2023, 03:28:42 AM »
NANNY Required for care and nurturing of testosterone deprived toy tester, prone to tissy fits and temper tantrums and spitting out his pacifier whenever anybody steps in his sand pit.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2023, 02:58:25 PM by aussiebattler »

aussiebattler

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Re: A fresh look at the Clem motor
« Reply #82 on: April 15, 2023, 04:14:09 AM »
Quoting Tesla:
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through
equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality.”
This information is offered so that you don’t get stung!

onepower

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Re: A fresh look at the Clem motor
« Reply #83 on: April 15, 2023, 07:28:03 PM »
smokey2
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Watch this video: fast forward to about 43.5 minutes
https://youtu.be/yXPrLGUGZsw
This is a process of stimulating the environment, similar to how a hurricane or tornado forms.
But under a controlled condition. This process is considered to be exothermic.

On the vortex, I 3D printed some of Schaubergers stuff and the process is much easier to understand than many supposed.

The outer spiral is always changing direction as well as the inner twist. As Schauberger claims, the flow is always turned inward to the center. What many seem to have missed is that the spiral tube wasn't connected to a water source like a garden hose but was free flowing or pulled by a suction force. This causes air to be sucked up with the water producing an intermittent flow.

With an intermittent flow of water and air the slugs of water turned inward, inside the double fluted tube, become "airborne" half the time. Every double twist is like a little ramp which pushes the slug of water upward and inward. Now the slug of water is no longer touching the side of the tube creating drag it's airborne inside the center of the tube.

It's so simple even a child could understand it, if the tube wall creates drag on the water don't let the water touch the wall as much.

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aussiebattler

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Re: A fresh look at the Clem motor
« Reply #84 on: April 15, 2023, 08:26:46 PM »
Hi onepower
What you showed is not Shauberger's vortex pipe - this is:
Perhaps we could move to anothe location

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Re: A fresh look at the Clem motor
« Reply #85 on: April 16, 2023, 05:25:38 AM »
aussiebattler
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What you showed is not Shauberger's vortex pipe - this is:
Perhaps we could move to another location

In fact, neither of our pictures is a true vortex pipe and I was only showing the principal of turning a flow inwards towards a center. Schaubergers vortex pipe was what he called a whorl pipe as shown in the device below. A doubly twisted pipe having a dual cyclonic action.

It applies here because Clem used similar language when describing his technology. A supposedly cone shaped rotor with spiraling channels and perimeter nozzles later replaced by a flattened more compact design.

From Clem...
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The pump, as he described it, is used to move the oil, under pressure, from a storage area to the converter from where
the energy is converted into enough power to turn the motor, move the oil back to the storage area and power the
pump, which in turn continues the cycle.
One hint as to the contents of the converter is "it acts like a turbine but isn't a turbine" in the normal sense of the
word, Clem said

From the Clem rexresearch file.
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The motor had only one moving part, a cone shaped rotor mounted vertically on a hollow shaft. Spiral channels cut
into the cone wound around its length and feed into peripheral nozzles at its large end. When fluid flowed through the
spiral channels it was ejected out the nozzles and caused the cone to spin. At a certain velocity, the rotating cone
became independent of the starter pump and began to operate by itself. At an operating speed of 1800 to 2300 RPM
the fluid heated up to 300° F, requiring a heat exchanger. Vegetable oil was used because at 300° F water boils and
conventional engine oil breaks down. A 12-volt battery was the only other power source.
Clem never applied for a patent because his motor design was derived from the asphalt pump that was already
patented. Fifteen companies turned him down before a large coal company offered to back him and signed contracts
to sell the motor. Soon after the deal was signed, Richard Clem died of a heart attack.

Isn't that convenient, Clem signs over the rights to a large coal company then dies of a heart attack. The coal company buries the technology and Clem then it's business as usual. The lesson here is people involved in the fossil fuel industry are as psychotic as the day is long and cannot be trusted under any circumstances. Coincidentally, it was a bunch of psychotic dim wits from texas oil country who destroyed Schauberger as well.

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Re: A fresh look at the Clem motor
« Reply #86 on: April 16, 2023, 05:42:29 AM »
whatever

sm0ky2

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Re: A fresh look at the Clem motor
« Reply #87 on: April 17, 2023, 04:51:10 AM »
Hi smokey
So what is your experience in producing experiments to support Clem's motor ?


I have not yet attempted a build of this one. I only recently began researching this topic.
I have seen many other peoples attempts, and from my perspective, not many are replicating the original device as described.

aussiebattler

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Re: A fresh look at the Clem motor
« Reply #88 on: April 17, 2023, 07:51:52 AM »

I have not yet attempted a build of this one. I only recently began researching this topic.
I have seen many other peoples attempts, and from my perspective, not many are replicating the original device as described.

Yes Well we have only had  50 yrs to do so.

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Re: A fresh look at the Clem motor
« Reply #89 on: April 18, 2023, 02:45:05 AM »

One of the reasons most people have failed in attempting to build the Clem engine is they just don't understand fluid dynamics.  In almost all of the replication attempts I have seen the builder uses a long straight pipe going directly out from the center and then they put an elbow on the end with a nozzle and expect that to work.  The original pump that Clem claims was his inspiration for his machine had a long curving narrowing path for the fluid to follow.  This has several advantages over the straight pipe with an elbow.


Look at the picture I have attached.  If you understand fluid dynamics you realize that as soon as the water or other fluid starts to curve to the right that is also putting a reaction force on the left pipe wall which of course would make the pipe want to move to the left.  And the force continues to be applied to the pipe for almost the full length of the pipe.  Whereas the straight pipe with an elbow on the end only has that force right at the elbow.


The other problem with the straight pipe and elbow is that you are trying to take a large volume of slow moving fluid and suddenly turn it into a small volume of fast moving fluid.  If you have ever tried to turn a 10 pound flywheel from 0 to 200 rpm in 2 seconds you realize that takes a lot of force.  But if you have 20 seconds to get that flywheel up to 200 rpms that takes a lot less force.  The sudden change in direction at the elbow is also another serious waste of energy.


The long tapered gradually curving pipe allows the fluid to smoothly increase in speed and also allows the reaction force of the fluid to be distributed along almost the entire length of the pipe.  With the long tapered curved pipe there are no sudden changes in either speed or direction so the fluid is moved much more efficiently.  The long tapered pipe also allows more of the fluid to be near the outer edge of the spinning disc and thus subjected to more centrifugal force which increases the pressure on the fluid.


Respectfully,
Carroll