Author Topic: A fresh look at the Clem motor (Read 21188 times)

mäxchen · « **Reply #30 on:** April 05, 2023, 03:30:03 PM »

Quote from: sm0ky2 on April 05, 2023, 04:10:17 AM

I’ve sat on the sidelines on this one for years.
I apologize for never taking a look at it….

Horsch (did i spell that right)
Vortex Tube thermal seperator

So try to follow along:

The rotating vortex of air seperates hot and cold air from the ambient
the hot air is jetted out of the nozzles, the force of which is pressure dependent:
Pressure is temperature dependent…..

Therefore, increases in temperature of the output air increases the rotation of the vortex

There seems to actually be a temperature where this force exceeds the driving force required for the vortex tube to function.

This machine may check out, don’t give up

Hope this helps. Life is happening again, so i wont be building for a few months, but i am rather interested in this one now, so its on my list.

Are you talking about the Matzenauer Rotor?

https://www.facebook.com/MazenauerRotor/?locale=de_DE

or

https://www.eputec.de/exair-wirbelrohr/ ?

sm0ky2 · « **Reply #31 on:** April 06, 2023, 02:33:15 AM »

Quote from: mäxchen on April 05, 2023, 03:30:03 PM

Are you talking about the Matzenauer Rotor?

https://www.facebook.com/MazenauerRotor/?locale=de_DE

or

https://www.eputec.de/exair-wirbelrohr/ ?

No thats my analysis of the actual clem motor.
Based on the available information.

Take it or leave it

aussiebattler · « **Reply #32 on:** April 06, 2023, 08:48:15 AM »

Smoky 2
The most important factor to recognise is that the fluid comes out of the nozzles at drematically reduced pressure and temperature. A stumblimg block for the expectations others hold to.

ab

sm0ky2 · « **Reply #33 on:** April 06, 2023, 12:53:12 PM »

Quote from: aussiebattler on April 06, 2023, 08:48:15 AM

Smoky 2
The most important factor to recognise is that the fluid comes out of the nozzles at drematically reduced pressure and temperature. A stumblimg block for the expectations others hold to.

ab

The math says there is both cold and hot vortices.
I would expect heat to transfer to the rotor, as it is the thermal expansion that drives its rotation.

This is not the same situation as something by like Heron’s steam engine, devices like that operate only on changes in pressure like any other steam engine.

Clem is using a different process. One of thermal separation from the ambient. This is a fuelless process, and as long as the vortex remains coherent, it is renewable.

I found the reference: Hilsch was the name
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_tube

The math truncates at low velocities, however the effect does not cease. It still occurs at low rotational speeds, however to a much lesser degree.

The small pressure from the cooking oil begins the rotation and slightly warms the intake air
(this is mostly nitrogen w a little CO2, as the oxygen has been combusted at this point.)
The inner vortex splits this into 2 interlaced streams
(both ends of the vortex tube are the same end in this setup)
the difference in temperature causes a difference in pressure, which exerts a force in the direction of rotation as the hot air expands and cools.
There should be a detectable temperature difference between the center and the outer of the exhaust stream.

sm0ky2 · « **Reply #34 on:** April 06, 2023, 01:19:21 PM »

Using vortex math we can then calculate the average temperature drop from 300 to the output temp and get a feel for the work done by the engine.

Look at the Dirac centrifuge, very similar process,

aussiebattler · « **Reply #35 on:** April 06, 2023, 03:49:54 PM »

Quote from: sm0ky2 on April 06, 2023, 01:19:21 PM

Using vortex math we can then calculate the average temperature drop from 300 to the output temp and get a feel for the work done by the engine.

Look at the Dirac centrifuge, very similar process,

The principals involved here relate to the "venturi effect"

aussiebattler · « **Reply #36 on:** April 07, 2023, 01:39:51 AM »

Well as Tommey would say ( if he hasn't said it yet he should ): "The proof is in the working prototype"

TommeyReed · « **Reply #37 on:** April 08, 2023, 05:43:13 AM »

Hi aussiebattler,

Yes the proof is in the prototype, but like always many people would claim they know how it works. I been a little busy and have to head out to Florida in a few weeks. I do believe I should have a fully working prototype this time, even if other would claim that's not how it should work. Many believe it deals with centrifugal forces, but I can't tell how many prototypes I built dealing with centrifugal forces that wouldn't work.

Try doing some math, and even in the real world these numbers was way off.

F = m v² / r

Tom

aussiebattler · « **Reply #38 on:** April 08, 2023, 10:59:31 AM »

Quote from: TommeyReed on April 08, 2023, 05:43:13 AM

Hi aussiebattler,

Yes the proof is in the prototype, but like always many people would claim they know how it works. I been a little busy and have to head out to Florida in a few weeks. I do believe I should have a fully working prototype this time, even if other would claim that's not how it should work. Many believe it deals with centrifugal forces, but I can't tell how many prototypes I built dealing with centrifugal forces that wouldn't work.

Try doing some math, and even in the real world these numbers was way off.

F = m v² / r

Tom

With all due respects to your sincerity Tom , I did not observe that you recognised the need to have tapering spiral chanels or that you have a closed system that harvests energy from the environment. Perhaps your math might then turn out a different result.

regards ab

kolbacict · « **Reply #39 on:** April 08, 2023, 11:14:00 AM »

Quote from: TommeyReed on April 08, 2023, 05:43:13 AM

I been a little busy and have to head out to Florida in a few weeks.

To meet with Donald Trump ?
Are you his attorney ?

TommeyReed · « **Reply #40 on:** April 08, 2023, 01:48:03 PM »

Please keep politics out of this forum!

So, your mathematics is correct?
Have you tested your theory?

Centrifugal force on the weight of fluids is different then having a solid mass at the end of a rotating sphere.

When moving fluid from the center say, 1" diameter 12", it could be any type of impeller design going outward in a rim jet of say .25 will not create enough pressure and flow rate greater then the amount of energy to rotate it.
(24" x pi)/60 =6.28ft, at lets say 1800 rpms you will have a flow rate at 188 ft/sec coming from the 0.25. The amount of pressure thrust is far less energy to keep it spinning.

Take any centrifugal water pump running at 3600 rpms to create 60+ psi no matter what flow rate you want, the energy created wouldn't be enough to create OU.
Here's even a better experiment, take a 4000psi pressure washer and see if you can generate greater energy output...Try a simple water wheel using 4000psi water jet and see what output you will get, I know most of you would even try to do these experiments because of the flaw in mathematics in the real world.

Too many variables = the unknown!

Unless you have a big phase change in a fluid, the amount of energy generated would not reach OU.

Tom

aussiebattler · « **Reply #41 on:** April 08, 2023, 08:54:25 PM »

What is more important than getting the maths right is to get the physics right firstt,

ab

aussiebattler · « **Reply #42 on:** April 10, 2023, 12:55:05 AM »

The scheme of things
https://overunity.com/18905/delta-t-energy-technology-the-secret-of-the-clem-motor/dlattach/attach/182404/

aussiebattler · « **Reply #43 on:** April 10, 2023, 12:44:34 PM »

venturi

aussiebattler · « **Reply #44 on:** April 10, 2023, 12:49:11 PM »

Note that the high temperature and pressure only occur at the inlet to the restriction

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