Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system ! (Read 2229498 times)

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2385 on:** December 14, 2014, 01:15:13 PM »

Quote from: TinselKoala on December 14, 2014, 10:30:48 AM

Not many, and the only ones who do, are wrong. There is nothing OU about those systems and you are wrong too, Lawrence. If the system is not powered, the amplitude of the swing will decrease as your external weight is lifted over and over. If the system is powered, the input power may replace the losses on a 1 to 1 basis. You have no coherent measurements to support your contentions. Any pendulum, single double or chaotic, is only a flywheel in a different configuration, converting potential energy of position to kinetic energy of motion.

TK

Let us focus on the Milkovic 2SO. Please re-examine the video. Compare the work done by the finger push and the lifting of the Weight twice. The overunity or lead-out of gravitational energy occurs at this point.

I now have the Chan Wheel to do accurate scientific experiments. Some repair work needs to be done.

The plan is to produce a few Chan WHeels and send them to the local Universities in Hong Kong to do accurate measurements.

Please check the mathematics and Physics of the horizontally pushed pendulum. Please point out what is wrong.

Paul-R · « **Reply #2386 on:** December 14, 2014, 03:14:46 PM »

Quote from: ltseung888 on December 14, 2014, 01:15:13 PM

Compare the work done by the finger push and the lifting of the Weight twice.

You have to be very careful that, as the weight descends, it is not putting back into the system the energy that is used to lift it, resulting in no net overall gain.

I think the Ting wheel is far more interesting because it deals with electrical issues which make OU more explainable (quantum foam, charged particles jumping into existence and gone again etc etc).

noonespecial · « **Reply #2387 on:** December 14, 2014, 03:57:55 PM »

I always thought that the two stage oscillator was suspiciously similar to a common balance scale...

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2388 on:** December 14, 2014, 09:41:08 PM »

Quote from: Paul-R on December 14, 2014, 03:14:46 PM

You have to be very careful that, as the weight descends, it is not putting back into the system the energy that is used to lift it, resulting in no net overall gain.

I think the Ting wheel is far more interesting because it deals with electrical issues which make OU more explainable (quantum foam, charged particles jumping into existence and gone again etc etc).

@Paul-R,

Thanks for the advice. Our job is easier because we shall give away Chan Wheels to Universities to do more research and measurements. I learned from my mistake - an old man with bad eyesight, bad hearing and weak bones MUST not do experiments involving lifting of many Kg weights.

We shall focus on the comparison of INPUT at the finger push stage and the OUTPUT of lifting the Weight twice. That can be a continuous process. Effectively, we want to confirm the attached theoretical concept.

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2389 on:** December 14, 2014, 09:50:13 PM »

Quote from: noonespecial on December 14, 2014, 03:57:55 PM

I always thought that the two stage oscillator was suspiciously similar to a common balance scale...

@noonespecial,

If you keep jumping up and down on the scale, you will simulate the Milkovic 2SO better. The pendulum moment is not constant. It is the sum of the weight of the pendulum bob plus the centrifugal force. The centrifugal force is highest when the velocity is highest (when the bob is at lowest position).

The "jumping" is the magic that leads-out or brings-in gravitational energy.

See the Chan Wheel videos again...

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2390 on:** December 14, 2014, 10:02:57 PM »

Quote from: Paul-R on December 14, 2014, 03:14:46 PM

You have to be very careful that, as the weight descends, it is not putting back into the system the energy that is used to lift it, resulting in no net overall gain.

I think the Ting wheel is far more interesting because it deals with electrical issues which make OU more explainable (quantum foam, charged particles jumping into existence and gone again etc etc).

The Ting Wheel or other Pulse Wheels are far more interesting or practical because they can lead-out or bring-in magnetic or electromagnetic energy (that can be hundreds of thousands times more than gravitational energy). Chan wheel is like human muscle flight. Pulse Wheels are similar to using engines. The only problem is that most Pulse Wheel Researchers have not figured out "pulsing at the right time" or pushing the pendulum at the right time. They need to research on resonance more.

The QEGs have achieved resonance. It is a matter of determining how much electromagnetic energy can be brought-in...

noonespecial · « **Reply #2391 on:** December 15, 2014, 04:24:15 AM »

Quote from: ltseung888 on December 14, 2014, 09:50:13 PM

@noonespecial,

If you keep jumping up and down on the scale, you will simulate the Milkovic 2SO better. The pendulum moment is not constant. It is the sum of the weight of the pendulum bob plus the centrifugal force. The centrifugal force is highest when the velocity is highest (when the bob is at lowest position).

The "jumping" is the magic that leads-out or brings-in gravitational energy.

See the Chan Wheel videos again...

The traditional 2SO seems very similar to a parametric oscillator. The energy gained by gravitational acceleration and centrifugal force is transferred to the 'work' end of the lever. But it would seem that the transfer of that energy comes at the cost of pendulum amplitude. It will be interesting to see your test results and I look forward to them.

Best regards!

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2392 on:** December 15, 2014, 04:56:59 AM »

Quote from: noonespecial on December 15, 2014, 04:24:15 AM

The traditional 2SO seems very similar to a parametric oscillator. The energy gained by gravitational acceleration and centrifugal force is transferred to the 'work' end of the lever. But it would seem that the transfer of that energy comes at the cost of pendulum amplitude. It will be interesting to see your test results and I look forward to them.

Best regards!

Please check the Raymond Head video again. Note that lead-out energy occurs after the amplitude had been built up. The INPUT of finger push then lifted the 74 pound Weight twice. The lifting of the 74 pound Weight is regarded as OUTPUT. From this video alone, there is strong evidence of Lead-Out Energy as the amplitude of oscillation hardly decreased.

We can always email Mr. Head for him to do the accurate comparison measurements. He should get the credit.

At the same time, we have one Chan Wheel and are in the process of building more. These simple Chan Wheels will allow multiple parties to do accurate measurements.

The most important experiment involving the Chan Wheel is the comparison of balanced and unbalanced wheels. The balanced wheel has more weight and thus the static (no motion) moment is higher than the unbalanced wheel. However, it cannot lift the weight no matter how fast we spin the wheel. The unbalanced wheel easily lifted the weight - even with no initial spinning by hand. The attached weight can be placed at the top and allowed to fall. That is enough to lift the weight.

We understand the obstacles. We know that both USA and Chinese Governments are keeping the 225 HP Pulse Motor top secret.

As one of the Physics Professors put it: "If we were to accept the concept of lead-out energy, we would have to re-write the textbooks and change our lectures. Unless Tsinghua or MIT or the like take the lead, we dare not give you support no matter how strong is the evidence. None of us are willing to risk our careers."

The Hong Kong Students have shown that they are willing to defy authority. What will happen if they have Chan Wheels in their hands? Will this generation spearhead Lead-Out Energy research??? They need to show the World that they are worthy of something...

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2393 on:** December 15, 2014, 12:01:08 PM »

Analysis of the Christmas Gift continued

3. The Chan Wheel is essentially the Milkovic 2SO with the pendulum replaced by the unbalanced wheel. It is easy to construct. It can demonstrate that the unbalanced wheel can bring in gravitational energy. Once the wheel is balanced, it will NOT bring in gravitational energy.

Many asked the question: “Tseung, do you have a working OU device? Theory is useless unless it is backed up by experiments. Just looking at experimental results by third party is not conclusive. Video demonstrations can be faked.”

After I saw the light (Milkovic 2SO is OU!), I worked with Mr. Peter Chan to produce the Chan Wheel. We replaced the pendulum with an unbalanced wheel. As expected, the Milkovic 2SO result of lifting weight was demonstrated.

The additional bonus is that – we can demonstrate that a balanced wheel CANNOT lift the Weight and thus cannot lead-out or bring-in gravitational energy. See the following youtube videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGaQ8a1PIt8 When the wheel is balanced.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkis7FUVqKY When the wheel is unbalanced.

Engineers have been brainwashed to produce balanced devices. They are not used to designing unbalanced systems. The key to bringing-in gravitational energy is the oscillation!

noonespecial · « **Reply #2394 on:** December 15, 2014, 01:46:22 PM »

Quote from: ltseung888 on December 15, 2014, 04:56:59 AM

Please check the Raymond Head video again. Note that lead-out energy occurs after the amplitude had been built up. The INPUT of finger push then lifted the 74 pound Weight twice. The lifting of the 74 pound Weight is regarded as OUTPUT. From this video alone, there is strong evidence of Lead-Out Energy as the amplitude of oscillation hardly decreased.

Yes, I guess my only point was that the 2SO by itself is NOT a OU device. In its simplest form, its a lever where a downward force at one end creates a lifting force at the other. The absolute best it can do is near 100% efficiency (minus pivotal frictional losses) because the formula is F x D = F x D.

Any gain greater than 100% will be realized in the transfer of energy TO the input device (bicycle wheel in your case) relative to the final output. For instance, it would interesting to see if you could drive your input wheel with a 100 watt motor and then turn a >100 watt output generator. This would silence any critics.

Best regards!

Paul-R · « **Reply #2395 on:** December 15, 2014, 07:34:39 PM »

Quote from: ltseung888 on December 14, 2014, 10:02:57 PM

The only problem is that most Pulse Wheel Researchers have not figured out "pulsing at the right time"

This is not so. if you check Patrick's book, there is an enormous amount about various people's timing discs, Hall effect switches etc to ensure precisely that.

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2396 on:** December 15, 2014, 10:58:31 PM »

Analysis of the Christmas Gift continued

4. The mechanical engineers have been brainwashed to the concept of balance. Any unbalanced system is considered “evil”. That is probably why they never seriously looked at the unbalanced wheel.

The flywheels have been around for decades. They were used as energy storage devices and as devices to smooth out vibrations. The engineers have never been taught the theory of lead-out energy. They never know that environmental energy such as gravitational energy, magnetic, electromagnetic or electron motion, electron cloud energy can be brought into a system. They mainly used fossil fuels (chemical energy as a subset of electron cloud energy) and polluted the environment.

Many had looked at the Milkovic 2SO. Some universities and technical colleges even used it as student projects. Few saw the link with the unbalanced wheel. Almost none saw that gravitational energy was brough-in.

It is still not too late to pour resources to research into unbalanced wheels and lead out energy. The USA and Chinese Governments had their hands on the 225 HP Pulse motors for many years…

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2397 on:** December 15, 2014, 11:10:06 PM »

Quote from: noonespecial on December 15, 2014, 01:46:22 PM

Yes, I guess my only point was that the 2SO by itself is NOT a OU device. In its simplest form, its a lever where a downward force at one end creates a lifting force at the other. The absolute best it can do is near 100% efficiency (minus pivotal frictional losses) because the formula is F x D = F x D.

Any gain greater than 100% will be realized in the transfer of energy TO the input device (bicycle wheel in your case) relative to the final output. For instance, it would interesting to see if you could drive your input wheel with a 100 watt motor and then turn a >100 watt output generator. This would silence any critics.

Best regards!

Many looked and could not see. It is a matter of scientifically measuring the INPUT (finger push) with the OUTPUT (74 pound weight lifted twice).

Work = Force x Displacement

The Input Work = push by finger x an inch or so displacement.
The Output Work = Lifting of the 74 pound weight x more than an inch displacement.

We now can tune the Chan Wheel to get the OUTPUT work >> INPUT work. The accurate scientific measurement will come (possibly from more than one source). You can build a simple Chan Wheel to do the same.

You looked and did not see that the Milkovic 2SO by itself can already be an OU device. (I also looked and did not see for 10 years!) The OU comes from the lead-out or bring-in gravitational energy...

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2398 on:** December 15, 2014, 11:18:57 PM »

Quote from: Paul-R on December 15, 2014, 07:34:39 PM

This is not so. if you check Patrick's book, there is an enormous amount about various people's timing discs, Hall effect switches etc to ensure precisely that.

You are right. Many tried and succeeded. However, few got the credit they deserved. Many got discouraged by the trolls and the road block of "Conservation of Energy". The Lead-out energy theory will remove the road block and silence the trolls...

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2399 on:** December 16, 2014, 08:36:41 PM »

Analysis of the Christmas Gift

5. The Yuen Wheel consists of two or more unbalanced wheels. Experimenting with the size of the wheel, the magnitude and number of weights on the rim of the wheel is likely to yield the Bessler Wheel which can lead out gravitational energy to rotate for 53 days and do some mechanical work.

The Yuen Wheel is interesting because it has been used to test the various parameters of the unbalanced wheel. We experimented with the number of weights and their positions on the rim of the bicycle wheel. We also experimented with one, two, three and four wheels on the same axle. We shall do some experiments with two axles.

The experimental results so far suggested that the Bessler Wheel may not be a hoax. We may indeed lead out enough gravitational energy to make the device running forever with some energy to spare.

However, we shall focus on the Chan Wheel first. The Chan Wheel will provide the necessary scientific data to confirm the lead-out energy theory. Once the theory is confirmed beyond any shadow of doubt, the rest will be smooth sailing. One of the most difficult part in measuring the Input Energy of the Milkovic 2SO has been solved in the Chan Wheel. We measured the drop in potential energy of the weight at the rim.

Some actually argued that the Milkovic 2SO itself is sufficient proof already. However, we would like to have a working lead-out energy device in our own “laborartory”.

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