Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system ! (Read 2231749 times)

hansvonlieven · « **Reply #1020 on:** May 31, 2009, 12:47:01 AM »

Of course not, but it will give you the same measurement data as your setup. So, what are you really measuring?

Hans von Lieven

i_ron · « **Reply #1021 on:** May 31, 2009, 04:57:03 PM »

Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 31, 2009, 12:47:01 AM

Of course not, but it will give you the same measurement data as your setup. So, what are you really measuring?

Hans von Lieven

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2mdAvdPhT4&feature=related

Inquorate · « **Reply #1022 on:** June 01, 2009, 01:41:50 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YRUDd0hyRI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRPMZQAPQ50

using veljko molkovic's principles to make a gravity wheel; experiments and progress

also, check this guy's video out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6bE9TzetSA

Merg · « **Reply #1023 on:** June 10, 2009, 05:37:05 AM »

Quote from: i_ron on May 31, 2009, 04:57:03 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2mdAvdPhT4&feature=related

Excellent video - you should conduct the same experiment with Milkovic's pendulum.

persume · « **Reply #1024 on:** June 11, 2009, 03:18:28 AM »

Quote from: i_ron on May 30, 2009, 07:30:16 PM

Hans,

I am well aware how strain gauges operate. But you know very well that â€˜work doneâ€™ is the displacement of a mass. That is, the mass/weight has to be displaced over a distance.

i_ron work is the displacement of mass over distance AGAINST resistance. That last part is very important.

tagor · « **Reply #1025 on:** June 11, 2009, 06:34:38 AM »

Quote from: persume on June 11, 2009, 03:18:28 AM

i_ron work is the displacement of mass over distance AGAINST resistance. That last part is very important.

Yes "distance AGAINST resistance" !
it is necessary to load the system !!

daniel

andrea · « **Reply #1026 on:** June 11, 2009, 02:36:03 PM »

Hello to everyone, I'm Andrea from Italy. I've tried to to demonstrate the excess of energy in the Milkovic's system: look at my channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/babarlizia
the videos "Pendolo Bifase" 1, 2 and 3. In the explanation of every video clip there is the calculus of input and output. Every video clip has an explanation in Italian and, then, it's translated in English. Hope I've not make too many errors

Please, if any think that there are errors in the calculus, tell me you are welcome.
Best Regards to all!
Andrea

tagor · « **Reply #1027 on:** June 11, 2009, 02:50:04 PM »

Quote from: andrea on June 11, 2009, 02:36:03 PM

Hello to everyone, I'm Andrea from Italy. I've tried to to demonstrate the excess of energy in the Milkovic's system: look at my channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/babarlizia
the videos "Pendolo Bifase" 1, 2 and 3. In the explanation of every video clip there is the calculus of input and output. Every video clip has an explanation in Italian and, then, it's translated in English. Hope I've not make too many errors
Please, if any think that there are errors in the calculus, tell me you are welcome.
Best Regards to all!
Andrea

good
but where is the math ?

TinselKoala · « **Reply #1028 on:** June 11, 2009, 03:02:03 PM »

@tagor: the math is in the descriptions to the videos.
@andrea: It seems that you don't realize that what is lifted up, also comes back down, RETURNING the energy (or most of it) that it took to lift it, back to the system. So your input-output calculations are incorrect for this reason. The output energy cannot be calculated by simply summing the heights to which the weights are lifted.

Nabo00o · « **Reply #1029 on:** June 11, 2009, 03:52:26 PM »

Its true, as long as you don't dissipate that energy somehow it will only be stored as momentum in the setup, a little bit like the flywheel effect.

Do like I did, connect the heavy hammer end to a bicycle pump, this way you can store the energy and easily regulate how much resistance the hammer meets by regulating the pressure stored.

This can also advance your setup further to a possible self-sustaining mechanism, I myself haven't reached that far yet but keep trying

Naboo

TinselKoala · « **Reply #1030 on:** June 11, 2009, 08:33:14 PM »

Quote from: Nabo00o on June 11, 2009, 03:52:26 PM

Its true, as long as you don't dissipate that energy somehow it will only be stored as momentum in the setup, a little bit like the flywheel effect.

Do like I did, connect the heavy hammer end to a bicycle pump, this way you can store the energy and easily regulate how much resistance the hammer meets by regulating the pressure stored.

This can also advance your setup further to a possible self-sustaining mechanism, I myself haven't reached that far yet but keep trying

Naboo

I have suggested the "bicycle pump" idea several times to the Milkovic researchers. The pneumatic pumps can function on both directional strokes of the output end, regardless of magnitude of stroke or timing of stroke. And the compressed air or gas can be efficiently stored and transported, and a pneumatic cylinder can be used on the input end to actuate the system. And losses and energy transfer in pneumatic systems are well-understood.

Of course, if you use this system it will become very clear very quickly that the Milkovic oscillator is in no way over-unity at all, much less "12 times more output than input."

Which is why, after all is said and done, the "researchers" won't use this system to test or evaluate their chaotic pendulum oscillator systems.

Nabo00o · « **Reply #1031 on:** June 11, 2009, 08:50:49 PM »

Another statement combined with what you said:

When all is said and done, the first will be the last

I'm not a Christian at all, but there is some serious logic in the original message....

Naboo

Merg · « **Reply #1032 on:** June 11, 2009, 10:02:13 PM »

Quote from: andrea on June 11, 2009, 02:36:03 PM

Hello to everyone, I'm Andrea from Italy. I've tried to to demonstrate the excess of energy in the Milkovic's system: look at my channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/babarlizia
the videos "Pendolo Bifase" 1, 2 and 3. In the explanation of every video clip there is the calculus of input and output. Every video clip has an explanation in Italian and, then, it's translated in English. Hope I've not make too many errors
Please, if any think that there are errors in the calculus, tell me you are welcome.
Best Regards to all!
Andrea

Congratulations for the experiments and videos.

We have had the similar methodology for input/output measurement:
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Analysis_Jovan_Bebic_2-measuring.pdf

and later after the re-calculation of above results we got the correct output measurement (at the end of page 11 + page 12):
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Jovan_Marjanovic_Key_of_Gravity_Machines.pdf#page=11

utilitarian · « **Reply #1033 on:** June 12, 2009, 07:03:59 AM »

Quote from: Merg on June 11, 2009, 10:02:13 PM

Congratulations for the experiments and videos.

We have had the similar methodology for input/output measurement:
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Analysis_Jovan_Bebic_2-measuring.pdf

and later after the re-calculation of above results we got the correct output measurement (at the end of page 11 + page 12):
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Jovan_Marjanovic_Key_of_Gravity_Machines.pdf#page=11

I like much of what you say, but I cannot believe you are buying into the inertial propulsion cart. Can't you see that Milkovic is simply using friction to retard the gentler reaction force? The forward thrust is quick, while the reverse is slow, hence the forward motion.

In space, with no friction, such a method would be impossible, so your proposed method for the astronaut to propel himself by moving weights back and forth has no chance of working.

Merg · « **Reply #1034 on:** June 12, 2009, 03:23:45 PM »

Quote from: tagor on June 11, 2009, 06:34:38 AM

Yes "distance AGAINST resistance" !
it is necessary to load the system !!

daniel

air resistance is the load?!

@i_ron: simply put your output hammer in the bucket of water and you will get water (fluid resistance) as the load

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