Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system ! (Read 2237975 times)

Nabo00o · « **Reply #1710 on:** March 14, 2011, 12:21:28 AM »

Merg there is a problem; static friction is not taken into account.
I'd really wished Veljko would have spotted that...
Julian

Edit: But I'll admit, if his power measurement device is linear with respect to resistance, then static friction versus dynamic friction wouldn't matter.

Overunityguide · « **Reply #1711 on:** March 14, 2011, 12:32:42 AM »

Hi all,

Maybe my new site about Centrifugal Force Overunity will help you out:
http://www.overunityguide.com

You can download my simulation files also from this website, so that you can try things out for your self...

Kind Regards, JdR

Low-Q · « **Reply #1712 on:** March 14, 2011, 12:16:20 PM »

Quote from: Merg on March 13, 2011, 11:50:04 PM

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Video: Power of the Pendulum -- Proof of Ultra-Efficiency?

Veljko Milkovic demonstrates a scientific experiment showing the advantage of using the pendulum for overcoming friction versus direct pushing.

The goal of the experiment is to demonstrate the advantage of using the pendulum for overcoming friction force of a weight in comparison with direct pushing of it.
The arising question is does this experiment proves over unity behavior of the system or not?

Experiment Description:

Device used in experiment consists of a stand and elastic pendulum.

Blocked pendulum with the rest of the system can be regarded as rigid body. Using energy passed by strikes of a piston instrument, whole system can pass the path of 5mm.

With the same invested energy, passed by the piston instrument, the pendulum will push whole system with its kinetic energy and device will pass 15 times longer path.
Further more some kinetic energy will stay unused in swinging pendulum.

The video link (YouTube HD, 05:38 min.):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnetjttZIrk

He must distinguish between force alone, and the way the force are travelling - energy. In the first experiment the force are traveling only 1mm at the time. When the pendulum are released, he apples the same force over a much greater distance. So he applies much more energy in the last part of the experiment, and therfor theï»¿ rig will move accordingly. The energy transformation from his hand are also highly inefficient, so it appears that he spends the same energy in both experiments.

Vidar

Merg · « **Reply #1713 on:** March 14, 2011, 06:48:44 PM »

Quote from: Nabo00o on March 14, 2011, 12:21:28 AM

Merg there is a problem; static friction is not taken into account.

What is the static friction for you in this case?

woopy · « **Reply #1714 on:** March 15, 2011, 12:15:54 AM »

Hi all

2 more cents

in an icredible but very true world

gopd luck at all

Laurent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awci9aWLPhI

Nabo00o · « **Reply #1715 on:** March 15, 2011, 03:52:47 AM »

Okey in order.
@Low-Q If I understood the video correctly, the device he uses to push the ball is not only a measurement device of force, it is a power device which measures the newton-meters. That should mean that no matter how he utilizes it, he will always have expended the same amount of energy when it is pushed all the way in, as he showed in both methods.

@Merg
As Low-Q pointed out, a huge difference in length moved is displayed between the two driving methods. This means that while the short path is struggling more than enough with only overcoming the static friction, the longer path is mainly concerned with the dynamic friction.

But yes, if he is using a good measurement device that describes the energy used accurately, unaffected by the radical change in resistance seen here, well then this is quite good proof.

It should though be stated that there is a slightly higher loss of energy in the form of vibration in the short-path demonstration. Other than that this is a good video.
Julian

Low-Q · « **Reply #1716 on:** March 15, 2011, 11:45:31 AM »

I cannot see any good proof anywhere. I see it like pushing a car with the breaks on. And when the breaks are released, we have overunity?

The first experiment are highly inefficient. The second are more efficient. Take away the friction from the surface, and put on some wheels. Then you can test this again and see for how long the rig will roll with a locked pendulum versus a released one. My guess are that these two experiments will gain the same net acceleration and velocity - with low friction wheels on it.

Nabo00o · « **Reply #1717 on:** March 15, 2011, 04:47:27 PM »

I was going to post something different, but I see you are probably right.
The static friction is the main problem here, it is a brake which doesn't matter as much in the long path experiment.....

Merg · « **Reply #1718 on:** March 18, 2011, 03:55:46 PM »

milkovic Idea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAA71WhkyaQ

Milkovic / Bedini lighting 12 LEDs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVVVXJfGItI

Merg · « **Reply #1719 on:** March 24, 2011, 03:18:06 PM »

Bedini-Powered Milkovic Two-Stage Oscillator #2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIvSlYoqnBM

Merg · « **Reply #1720 on:** March 26, 2011, 05:13:31 PM »

Bedini-Powered Milkovic Two-Stage Oscillator #3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs0emzBITuM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s786CZkdoi0

Solomon111 · « **Reply #1721 on:** April 06, 2011, 05:56:39 PM »

Hello people,

I recommend this video! Mr. Head argues and shows that with the same energy raises even greater weight!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMq53NPttUk&feature=related

Merg · « **Reply #1722 on:** April 12, 2011, 04:20:24 AM »

related video...

GEC Sustainable Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MTSsX4U4FU

onthecuttingedge2010 · « **Reply #1723 on:** April 12, 2011, 07:53:09 AM »

what about this idea, my design is simple but would it work? maybe, Maybe not, can't tell unless it is debugged by actual research and measurements.

when the Iron ball hits the Piezo plate it causes an electrical discharge to occur and sends the charge to the motor which cause the motor to momentarily rotate the pendulum in the opposite direction away from the Magnet. repeating the process over and over as the pendulum swings back for another strike on the piezo plate.

the piezo transducer plate should be of good size for best electrical discharge.

Also, I posted an interrupted coil version of the pendulum motor. when the Iron Ball strikes the Piezo Transducer plate an Electric Discharge occurs in the interrupter coil to cause the magnetic attraction to change, this allows the Iron Ball to escape the magnetic attraction of the Magnet.

Merg · « **Reply #1724 on:** April 12, 2011, 04:14:01 PM »

Pendulum Power, Free Energy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wDKK__v9Ss

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