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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 236903 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1305 on: July 15, 2019, 08:33:32 PM »
Some facts:


Tinsel Koala does not remember so I am going to post the overunity experimental circuit done by the Ukrainian government's agricultural college.  We corresponded for some time.

Here are some of Rick's REAL CUSTOMERS in the REAL WORLD.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucvc38NCg9k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShXBAniR1JY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX_rlCAFQxs


These are customers who have purchased his products.
Oh, are you talking about this thing:
(well, I did ask you to open a different thread....)
What makes you think it is overunity, or that the Ukes have had different results than I have?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1305 on: July 15, 2019, 08:33:32 PM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1306 on: July 15, 2019, 08:43:26 PM »
Oh, are you talking about this thing:
(well, I did ask you to open a different thread....)
What makes you think it is overunity, or that the Ukes have had different results than I have?
You have not built it correctly. You do not have the correct windings so it's not a complete  replication.  Their calculations were extremely precise. That is why they saw an anomaly which required further investigation

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1307 on: July 15, 2019, 08:47:11 PM »
You have not built it correctly.
Yes I have.

You perhaps are confused because I tried many different configurations and the one shown in the pix may not be the one you expect to see.


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1307 on: July 15, 2019, 08:47:11 PM »
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Offline a.king21

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1308 on: July 15, 2019, 08:52:35 PM »
Did you make the exact number of turns they calculated?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1309 on: July 15, 2019, 08:54:50 PM »
You have not built it correctly. You do not have the correct windings so it's not a complete  replication.  Their calculations were extremely precise. That is why they saw an anomaly which required further investigation
Uh huh. I also used wire with red enamel insulation, and performed my tests on Tuesday instead of Thursday. So clearly there is no hope at all.

If you think those variables you mention have some effect that is not evident in my construction, please point it out specifically and I'll dig up the apparatus and see if I can produce it. Otherwise you are still just blowing smoke and trying to distract. Remember that I have now twice asked you to open your own thread for this topic if you want to discuss it. Now I've asked three times.Now I've asked four times.
Now I've..... get the point?





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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1309 on: July 15, 2019, 08:54:50 PM »
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Offline rickfriedrich

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1310 on: July 15, 2019, 08:55:55 PM »
Once again you are Void of truth and sense. That is just what a suppressionist would argue. I have already disproven this and you just refuse to deal with it. So you are once again playing games as the troll you are.
Prove your claim here or move on. I have proven the opposite.

1. That a person can go wrong doesn't make your claim true. You have not shown that.
2. Any extra energy used over unity is over Unity. It's really that simple  ::)
3. Why is only electrical energy considered part of OU considerations? If I have two motors running for the price of one why is that not OU?
4. So even if someone produces a little more energy than what is understood to be unity, whether it is in electrical form or otherwise, it is still OU.
5. If I am creating 30kw of output power with 30W of input power that I don't care about, you would say that was not OU because it wasn't looped. Sure that is easy to loop but you get the point that the looping has nothing to do with OU.


SO LET IT BE SETTLED ONCE AND FOR ALL THAT OVER UNITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SELF-LOOPING. THAT IS A DIFFERENT IDEA. STOP PLAYING WORD GAMES. SELF-SUSTAING IS NOT OU EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN HAVE OU THAT IS SELF-SUSTAINING/LOOPING.

Any repeating of this is distracting from Over Unity research and considerations. This kind of trickery has been one of the biggest hinderances to get people from experiencing some form of OU on all these forums. What a major psychological ploy against this community! The other one is promoting the idea that you can prove some claim or disprove some claim over the internet. These two points are settled now, whether you like that or not.

If someone hasn't self-looped the circuit and got it self-sustaining, then that person is in no reasonable position at all to be making claims about 'OU'. There are just too many ways that a person can go wrong even in the rare case where that person has some decent understanding about making proper measurements and also understands well the many pitfalls which can be encountered in doing proper measurements. To call members here with many years of experience in this 'OU' experimentation area 'trolls' for pointing out the very obvious flaws in Rick's claims is mind boggling to

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1311 on: July 15, 2019, 08:55:57 PM »
Did you make the exact number of turns they calculated?
How many turns would you like, and can YOU show that it makes a real difference? Did the Ukes?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1311 on: July 15, 2019, 08:55:57 PM »
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Offline NickZ

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1312 on: July 15, 2019, 08:58:57 PM »
   "Where is TK when we need him"?
    Well, I knew that he wasn't going to let those misleading comments go to waste.
    Thanks, TK for the replies. That does clear up some misunderstandings.

   One of the things to consider though, is the affect of the negative scope ground probe attached to the device. Does this cause a negative affect on the readings of the actual voltage and currents that normally would be present, and detectable, on a scope?
   Another thing to consider for all of us, is that when people make a rude and disrespectful comment, they can expect to see the same thing, coming back to haunt them.   I think that Rick already knows what will happen when he connects the scope to the device to read the values. In the "real world", after all those years. And that is why he will not do it, and instead continues to discredit everyone he makes a comment to, as if they are fools, and continues saying that only he knows what has to be done, to actually see OU.   So, unless Rick changes his mind, and shows us just what he is preaching about, things will not improve.   
   The picture in question, showing the lighting of many leds, is still in question, after all this time.   Is that how this will end?   

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1313 on: July 15, 2019, 09:21:57 PM »
There ae some considerations in doing Cole's circuit. You have to give enough time between the phasing or you will have problems.
This circuit was never intended to be self-sustaining but we did show a video where the one motor ran for 20 minutes off an amplifier capacitor. That would probably take under 30 seconds to normally discharge. So it is cycling around the energy like Cole wanted. It is always better to charge an external battery and rotate it, but if you want something to just go a whole lot longer then that is a simple way of doing that.

Which brings me to the point I just made in the last post to Void of truth: Why is self-looping the only thing of value to these people? This arrangement has a lot more appeal in the present world that does not believe in perpetual motion. Charging up a battery much less frequently is accepted by everyone and is a great way to disguise such free energy processes. And of course that has long been done...

Re Rick presumed short for Richard, you were talking about or mentioned John Bedini's Cole - Bedini PM dc Motor or one of the many others, to cut it short it looked suitable for driving the Newman motor circuit, so I have used the circuit using 2 x Hall effect trigger circuit that drives a FW circuit with a home made PCB and a Full bridge feed back circuit, all remains is to drill the holes and assemble the board PCB shown below and lay out. I presume the pulses derived from the device do magic.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1313 on: July 15, 2019, 09:21:57 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1314 on: July 15, 2019, 09:30:17 PM »
 You know with all the brains on this site I am sure we could do something constructive.  Instead it's one faction against another faction all the time.  It's just sad folks.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1315 on: July 15, 2019, 09:33:35 PM »
Void of Truth,
I don't need help with self-looping. I have been doing that for 15 years now. You have entirely missed what OU is as I have pointed out.
I have long demonstrated self-looping. Everyone has long been invited to see public demonstrations. Even in Germany I invited Stefan to come 5 years back. I have also worked with many EEs and engineers all over the world, some of them at the very top of the ladder in the biggest companies and military. So your condescending words don't change that fact. These people can obviously do measurements to the satisfaction of their respective companies and all EEs. But they are not such fools as to think that could be proven over the internet.
What you write sounds like it has substance until people realize that you are talking about doing this in a scifi movie reality show. You are not talking about the real world. I live and test in the real world. You just play games behind a screen.
I understand how my systems work, you don't. I see them working for years with or without batteries. Batteries get better over time, with real gains in capacity. I guess I can't believe that until you make a video showing your meter on it. hmmm sounds a little unreasonable.
I never came here to prove anything. You want proof of something. Get off the computer and have a good look in the mirror and ask yourself why you call yourself Void!

If there is something to what Rick is saying, then it should stand up to self-looping testing. There are probably at least a few people here who could help Rick with setting up such proper self-looping tests if he really wanted to understand how his setups are truly performing, but that does not appear to be the case at all. Quite the opposite. When people here get called trolls for pointing out the obvious flaws in someone's claims, then something is very wrong. I will fade back into the background now. I have had my say.  ;D

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1316 on: July 15, 2019, 09:39:22 PM »
   Rick:   To answer your question about why self running is the only way to prove anything. Because there has been many many many supposed OU devices that have been posted, here and on youtube which are not working as claimed. Therefore the doubts.
   We are not expecting you to "prove" anything, but, we are expecting you to be able to tell us what exactly needs to be done,  instead.  By SHOWING IT YOURSELF, TO US.  So that we can decide what to actually do about it. You have NOT done that.
   Other than the schematic and pictures and videos presented by itsu, none of your diagrams showing all the information has been made public. Like coil sizes, turn counts, capacitors, wires sizes, frequency values, and output readings. No wonder that we are confused as to what you are doing, and how you are doing it. If all this mystery is about dimly lighting a few leds, well, I think that you get my point. At least the guys here, understand where I'm coming from. Although, you may chose not to.
   

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1317 on: July 15, 2019, 09:55:08 PM »
You know with all the brains on this site I am sure we could do something constructive.  Instead it's one faction against another faction all the time.  It's just sad folks.

   a.king:  One faction against another faction, all the time? There was NO factions at all fighting with each other, until Rick started insulting everyone. This is about disrespect, which is not allowed here. Yet, because this thread has become so popular now, Stefan has allowed what normally he would not allow. The missing link is trust. Who and what to trust and respect. Someone who insults you if you ask questions? Are we to trust and replicate someone's device, that won't show what is needed? Just says, buy the kit so you can learn about resonance. I'm not here to prove anything. He says that to an open source forum, which is all about PROVING results.  So, where do we go from here?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1318 on: July 15, 2019, 10:04:56 PM »
   a.king:  One faction against another faction, all the time? There was NO factions at all fighting with each other, until Rick started insulting everyone. This is about disrespect, which is not allowed here. Yet, because this thread has become so popular now, Stefan has allowed what normally he would not allow. The missing link is trust. Who and what to trust and respect. Someone who insults you if you ask questions? Are we to trust and replicate someone's device, that won't show what is needed? Just says, buy the kit so you can learn about resonance. I'm not here to prove anything. He says that to an open source forum, which is all about PROVING results.  So, where do we go from here?


Listen very carefully.  Rick explains everything in his long videos. It is all there. Where the origins of OU started. Where the patents are. Where the energy is coming from.  You are like a student who did not turn up for lessons and wonders why you don't get anywhere.  You are like a student who has failed his exams and is screaming at the teacher and calling him useless.  Not one person who has a go at Rick can be bothered to watch his videos and take notes.  I just don't get it.  I really don't.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1319 on: July 15, 2019, 10:16:38 PM »
    Listen carefully:  I have watched his long drawn out videos, and still don't know all the details that I mentioned in my last post. It's hard to watch a two hour video, and harder yet to have to watch 3 hour videos, about his opinions, without careful measurement to go along with it. But, I did watch it. LOL.   Yet, you say "it's all there". Really?
    So, A, now that you know all that needs to be done and are familiar with his devices, videos, and chats, and are up to speed, why don't you show the results. Like itsu has done. Perhaps you can show some actual gains. That would help. As most of us have watched at least his more relevant videos, and still don't get it. But, getting it, is not the same showing it working as a OU device.
   Kapanadze also has a patent. Did that help to produce a working replication? He also talked about the cause of free energy, yet, no one can replicate what he has shown many different times, as yet. So, perhaps you can tell us what is missing? And show some gains that can be measured and replicated. As battery swaps and noisy motor devices are NOT what this thread is about.

 

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