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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 244060 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1230 on: July 14, 2019, 05:52:22 AM »
I personally don't. I made a kit to help people learn resonance and the basics. FG is optional.

Wow, you are old man! Shall we call you Master T? I actually made that kit around that month of that year. Must have learned it from you. That's it. Didn't you invent it? Well I'm glad you can add, I was beginning to wonder if you had advanced that far  :o Yep, 2017 plus 2018 is one year and 2019 would be 2 years.
phase-locked loop is public knowledge at least 30 years ago. I'm glad you recently learned about it. Seriously it is good to use.
Yep leaning from my students every day. Maybe I could learn from you? Learn what not to do.
So are you boasting that you have figured something out or are you just mocking any OU system? Your game is so off I'm not sure if you even know the right script you were given for this thread as it appears you mixing up two of them. You should go back and get better instructions because it is not going very well for you at this point.
Ha ha ha. You stated that your student used some aspect of the mosfet driver a year ago, and I pointed out that I posted a video with such a system two years ago. From that you conclude that I ''recently learned" about it? When you had to learn about it from your student a year later? LOL. And you still aren't using a PLL, even though you say "seriously it is good to use"?You are really grasping at straws to try to keep up your insults against me. But the important thing is still missing. Did you notice?YOU HAVE NOT, and CANNOT, refute me.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1231 on: July 14, 2019, 05:56:04 AM »
You can't prove anything to the incredulous. Look I've seen your type for many years. You don't even know what you are talking about. We can create all the J you want. You never even read what I wrote. I said that in certain places in a real OU system you have no power measurements, or they will not add up. But I didn't say that you could not have more J out than in. You can charge up a cap and run it across a resistor load like Itsu is trying to do. You can have your J in the input side, and you can have your regular loads in the primary loop, and then you can have your additional loads on the secondary loops. And you can place your meters across those loads and add up more J if you want to. That is all fine. All I was saying was that you could also do other things. But that is beyond your experience.

You are long proven wrong buddy. You do a fine job of doing that yourself.

And here we see just what you are. You cannot answer reasonable questions from me or from anyone else. You become insanely defensive when someone challenges you on your easily refutable claims and muddled definitions of words. You are living off of profits made from selling toys to gullible people. And if you really had the OU that you claim, things would be very different for you and for this world.
I don't care what you call me. Believe me, I've been called worse, by better men than you. What hasn't happened yet is for me to be proven wrong. And you sure aren't going to do it. Your systems cannot meet this simple, well accepted OU criterion: total Joules in < total Joules out.
Go ahead, PROVE ME WRONG! You won't, because you can't.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1232 on: July 14, 2019, 06:06:40 AM »
You act like you are something special. Why would anyone even bother looking at anything you do when all you do is vomit out circles of the same thing? Is that your truth? I guess you continue to prove your worth by how many times you repeat just how special you are. The truth is you know nothing about me and I really don't care to know anything about you. Just a TROLL sent in to fill the thread up with meaningless content. Bark bark bark bla bla bla

You have no self-sustaining systems, just as I have said. You can play battery merry-go-round long enough for the rubes to lose interest but your batteries will all eventually die and die hard. And you even know this is true!
You want to talk about deceit? Point out anything in my work that is deceitful, and tell what the truth is. And we will do the same for you. For example, your system is not OU at all, in fact it isn't even very efficient at transferring power, and everybody who has built and tested it knows this is true.
You clearly do not know anything about me or my beliefs. What I believe in is the TRUTH, and when I see people who lie and make claims they cannot support with facts, outside references and demonstrations of their own, especially in a field that I am familiar with,  I am motivated to say something about it. Suddenly figured it out? You literally make me laugh out loud.

Suffice it to say that your demonstrations and your kits and your battery charger merrygorounds are not sufficient to support your claims of OU, and your avoidance of discussing definitions and terms and quantities -- not to mention the freshman errors -- lead me to conclude that you actually don't know what the flmp you are talking about, AND/OR you really do have such contempt for your audience that you expect them to believe in invisible pink unicorns without even showing them a picture.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1233 on: July 14, 2019, 06:11:20 AM »
WOW! You are just brilliant. I guess whatever it takes to fill up this forum with circle nonsense. Right? That's the mission.
There is nothing to refute? I don't even know what you are claiming. It's just all verbal diarrhea. You are the master, you refute yourself. Like I said, you have two different scripts mixed up for this thread. You confused the two. You need to go back and get rechipped because your wires are crossed.

Ha ha ha. You stated that your student used some aspect of the mosfet driver a year ago, and I pointed out that I posted a video with such a system two years ago. From that you conclude that I ''recently learned" about it? When you had to learn about it from your student a year later? LOL. And you still aren't using a PLL, even though you say "seriously it is good to use"?You are really grasping at straws to try to keep up your insults against me. But the important thing is still missing. Did you notice?YOU HAVE NOT, and CANNOT, refute me.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1234 on: July 14, 2019, 06:28:33 AM »
Voltage = energy, does it?
So I have here a bunch of different capacitors, all charged to the same voltage. Therefore they all contain the same energy.

Right?

And the way you talk about "J"s measured here and there indicate once again that you either don't know what you are talking about or you seek deliberately to mislead your audience. Or maybe both.
Let's review. Everything I say and demonstrate here can be easily replicated by anyone with the skill to assemble some parts and the test equipment to measure it. This is not the case for what you are presenting. You are advertising OU, but you cannot demonstrate the kind of OU that means anything real, that is, Joules out > Joules in. In fact from your last post it seems that you don't even know what that actually means.
You are so tangled up that you won't even try to refute me, because you know you cannot. So you resort to your childish insults and deflections, and even outright lies that are easily disproved, like you were mocking Mylow, or that I was banned from forums.

The real electronics builders here and at OUR all seem to share the same opinion. It's not just me, it is nearly everyone who has actually shown working systems and analyzed various projects and demonstrated their competence with measurement and construction. We all know that you've got nothing but hot air, and you have no trouble proving that with your walls of text!


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1235 on: July 14, 2019, 07:11:39 AM »
OOh the handbags are out ;D .  Anyhow Tinsel. Are you ready to discuss the circuit I have asked you about Sir? 8)

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1236 on: July 14, 2019, 07:20:31 AM »
One form of energy. Can you tell me what you think voltage is? And pulling out a voltmeter and turning it on is not telling me what it is. I don't care about definitions myself as I try and understand people's meaning even when they differ with me in words.

Well I was just told by one of the moderators that you were banned from their forum. Obviously not Aaron's as that would possibly be good.

So you really think that if you just say the same thing over and over that people are going to take you seriously? No matter how many times you say you have something doesn't make it true bud. No matter how many times you say the earth is flat it won't change the reality. You can say I have never flown in an airplane because you don't believe in human flight, and you can claim to have gone to the moon but no one thinks you are capable. Repeating that over and over doesn't convince anyone of that. There may be something really wrong with you. Are you seeking recognition, to be acknowledged? Everyone, pay attention. This Tinsel has something important to say. Nothing to show, just something to say. He has something. It really is just a whole lot of hot air.  ::)  But he wants you to know that he has something important to say about himself. Yep that he is important. And you can't refute that. He knows it even if nobody else does ;) We love you T. I hope you get some help. So far you have shared not one important thing in these hours you jumped in here. Only repeating the same thing over and over. You have not revealed anything but naming a few units of energy that you would find in a high school primary book. Oh, yeah, you gave a nice little trick that I figured out. I guess your videos are just that a trick. Some parts thrown together with some scribbled numbers on them to give appearance that you are special. Why would I bother watching another video when the first one really had little benefit. Come on Rick, don't think it was proof of anything, but what do you think it proved? I guess nothing. How a foolish person keeps drawing attention to himself and says that you can't disprove him doing that. That's how you come across man! That's what stands out. Behold the man! Look no further! That is worse than Bedini.

Voltage = energy, does it?
So I have here a bunch of different capacitors, all charged to the same voltage. Therefore they all contain the same energy.

Right?

And the way you talk about "J"s measured here and there indicate once again that you either don't know what you are talking about or you seek deliberately to mislead your audience. Or maybe both.
Let's review. Everything I say and demonstrate here can be easily replicated by anyone with the skill to assemble some parts and the test equipment to measure it. This is not the case for what you are presenting. You are advertising OU, but you cannot demonstrate the kind of OU that means anything real, that is, Joules out > Joules in. In fact from your last post it seems that you don't even know what that actually means.
You are so tangled up that you won't even try to refute me, because you know you cannot. So you resort to your childish insults and deflections, and even outright lies that are easily disproved, like you were mocking Mylow, or that I was banned from forums.

The real electronics builders here and at OUR all seem to share the same opinion. It's not just me, it is nearly everyone who has actually shown working systems and analyzed various projects and demonstrated their competence with measurement and construction. We all know that you've got nothing but hot air, and you have no trouble proving that with your walls of text!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1237 on: July 14, 2019, 07:27:27 AM »
OOh the handbags are out ;D .  Anyhow Tinsel. Are you ready to discuss the circuit I have asked you about Sir? 8)
Here's what I said when you first brought it up:
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No, actually I have no idea what circuit you are talking about. Messed up my cctv? Sorry, I can't recall. Can you give me more details?Just about any High Voltage E-field emitter will do that though, with these crappy unshielded USB extension cables. I can whip up something for you in a few minutes if you really need a CCTV/WIFI disruptor.  I have lots of devices I don't dare operate inside the house, the EEEE being one of them. Yes, it is still in the wings waiting for the right time to debut.
It was the circuit from the Ukrainian Government's Agricultural institute based in Kiev. It was a replication of only a part of a Don Smith circuit.  It kept blowing bulbs and they concluded that this required further study.  It was performed by a PHD student for his exams and supervised by the appropriate professor.
Sorry, I still don't recall. Are you sure you shared the circuit with me, and not some other crazed koala? Why don't you just open another thread and post the circuit there and if I have it among all this other junk... sorry, junque... we can discuss it if you think it is really important.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1238 on: July 14, 2019, 07:47:23 AM »
One form of energy. Can you tell me what you think voltage is? And pulling out a voltmeter and turning it on is not telling me what it is. I don't care about definitions myself as I try and understand people's meaning even when they differ with me in words.
Yes, I can tell you what voltage is. But since you don't care about definitions, why should I? Can you answer my question? A bunch of caps charged to the same voltage. All therefore have the same energy. Right, if voltage is "one form of energy". Wrong, if they have different energies. Yes or no? I am not asking you to define anything, I am asking you if the capacitors have the same energy or not.
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Well I was just told by one of the moderators that you were banned from their forum. Obviously not Aaron's as that would possibly be good.
I am not F6. He's French and knows what he is talking about in the field of radio electronics and isn't afraid to say it. I'm Texan, and also not afraid.
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So you really think that if you just say the same thing over and over that people are going to take you seriously? No matter how many times you say you have something doesn't make it true bud. No matter how many times you say the earth is flat it won't change the reality. You can say I have never flown in an airplane because you don't believe in human flight, and you can claim to have gone to the moon but no one thinks you are capable. Repeating that over and over doesn't convince anyone of that. There may be something really wrong with you. Are you seeking recognition, to be acknowledged? Everyone, pay attention. This Tinsel has something important to say. Nothing to show, just something to say. He has something. It really is just a whole lot of hot air.  ::)  But he wants you to know that he has something important to say about himself. Yep that he is important. And you can't refute that. He knows it even if nobody else does ;)
Do you know what a "straw man argument" is? How about "Argumentum ad hominem, abusive" ? Do you know what those are? They are _logical fallacies_. You cannot refute me, so you make up things like airplanes and flat earths that have nothing to do with the fact that you can't define your OverUnity in common physics terms or demonstrate its reality. So you resort to insulting me personally, when I am simply criticizing your unsupported claims and your lack of cooperation in providing evidence for them.As far as saying things over and over.... pot kettle black.

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We love you T. I hope you get some help.
LOL! You don't know what love is! But whatever it is, you certainly don't feel it for me, and I'm glad of that! I do need some help though. Want to come over and help me change the rack and pinion unit on my car?
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So far you have shared not one important thing in these hours you jumped in here. Only repeating the same thing over and over.
Somebody has to take up the baton, since the other people who are telling you the same things must be getting tired of it. But it doesn't seem to sink in! Claims of OverUnity should be supported with evidence! Joules out > Joules in !
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You have not revealed anything but naming a few units of energy that you would find in a high school primary book. Oh, yeah, you gave a nice little trick that I figured out. I guess your videos are just that a trick. Some parts thrown together with some scribbled numbers on them to give appearance that you are special. Why would I bother watching another video when the first one really had little benefit. Come on Rick, don't think it was proof of anything, but what do you think it proved? I guess nothing. How a foolish person keeps drawing attention to himself and says that you can't disprove him doing that. That's how you come across man! That's what stands out. Behold the man! Look no further! That is worse than Bedini.
Silly you! You don't seem familiar yourself with those high school physics units since you avoid them like the plague and scramble them like eggs. Otherwise we (not just I) wouldn't have to bring them up so often. And you criticize something you admit you haven't even watched!
Worse than Bedini! No... Better than Bedini is the MHOP.

I argue against your claims. You insult me personally because can't refute my arguments. That is pretty much the bottom line, and it happens over and over again... but nobody manages to demonstrate actual OU.

You do know that there are many thousands of dollars available in various OverUnity Prizes, don't you? How many of them have you won, or even applied for?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1239 on: July 14, 2019, 07:58:24 AM »
   Itsu:   Thanks for all that information, and the schematic. That helps me at least, to understand what is being done here.
   I don't know if Rick would agree on your build, or not, but it would help if he would let us know just what is not being done right, in order to see what he says is possible, such as more out than in.
   Thanks again,                         NickZ

Hi Nick. Have you ever seen any reasonably done self-looped demonstration from Rick?
I suspect the answer is no. If you have not, then why waste your time with his... err... unfounded claims? 
I suspect you'll be waiting a very long time if you are expecting any straight forward and reasonable answers
from Rick. To be frank, everything he does and says screams pure nonsense. I get that some people
just like playing around with circuits whether it is COP > 1 or not, but the truth is if someone really has
something unusual they should be able to self-loop it and demonstrate it relatively easily, in most cases.
In some cases, some special effort may be required to provide better impedance matching when trying to self loop,
or if the COP is not much > 1, then some form of daisy chaining may be required as TK has mentioned.
Really though self-looping shouldn't be too difficult to do in most cases.

When a person immediately goes into silly rationalizations and bafflegab and deflections when someone
mentions about self-looping, then you can be 99.9999% sure they are just blowing smoke. Rick does this for a business,
so that is probably a good part of the reason why he blows so much smoke. He probably assumes he can continue to fool his
naive customers and keep the money rolling in just as long as he continues to pile on the bafflegab nonsense. Anyone with
even a basic understanding of electronics should see pretty quick that he is talking a lot of nonsense.

Self-looping separates the wheat from the chaff, and there sure is mountains of chaff and lots of lame excuses out there. ;)

I have been really busy for the last while, but I thought I would stop by and see what's happening here lately.
As I mentioned in the past I saw a few potentially interesting things in my testing when testing with the Kapanadze/Akula/Ruslan
types of arrangements. If I get some time, maybe in the winter, I will try to dig a little deeper into it.
From what I have seen, that approach seems to possibly be a little more potentially promising avenue of experimentation, where
most other approaches don't seem to hold water. :D

All the best guys....
Don't be fooled by bafflegab. Self-looping talks, bafflegab walks... All else is folly. ;)




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« Reply #1240 on: July 14, 2019, 08:03:44 AM »
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So far you have shared not one important thing in these hours you jumped in here. Only repeating the same thing over and over.
So I guess I missed the part where YOU "shared" the other things that can be done with the gate driver, like modulating it with the Enable pin and using an E-field antenna or singleturn EM loop to autoresonate instead of fiddling with a function generator, before my post to Itsu. Please post a link!  Or is that within your definition of "not one important thing"?

By the way, I know that Itsu already knew those things! We've been doing this stuff for a lot longer than you seem to think. But maybe other builders might not have known.

And of course it's not important to demonstrate the importance of taking phase into account when measuring real and reactive power in the MicroQEG, nor to demonstrate zero current readings while LEDs shine brilliantly in the TinMan Bifilar device, and it is really unimportant to analyze the Partzman Bifilar Transformer to understand why it gives OU measurements. Nobody is interested in that silly unimportant stuff, while you are showing a room full of LEDs running off a battery and a function generator and claiming it is OU.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1241 on: July 14, 2019, 11:59:35 AM »
...The negative series impedance chain only has the bottleneck when limitations I mention when you are doing the untuned basic level that I show with the open parts. Of course when you are doing the ideal ways there would be no bottlenecking as everything would be in perfect balance.

Right now I am experimenting with an un-tuned system and even a thin cable of 15 cm anywhere in between the line bottlenecks the outcome. It also looks like that proper termination plays a significant role. At least to an un-tuned system.         

The thing is that there are many things that can be done and considered. There are 1000 changes or improvements I could make to these motors. There is no end to improving little things here and there.

That is so true. So many things which beg for innovation and improvement. Materials alone is a whole subject.

...But my point is always been to do what is easy and focus on the points that matter.

Thank you :)

Ps. If anyone interests in a quick and dirty measuring technique of input/output energy, then I suggest you the cap-in / cap-out method. Two identical caps one across the input and one across the output. Charge the input cap to any voltage level fits to your application, disconnect your battery, and then switch your device on. Watch by using two voltage meters, the voltage across the two caps. Then use one of the many online energy calculators to see where you are. In my current experiment I charge both of the caps to 24V, I start operation, and when input energy has dissipated, then i compare the numbers. Just that easy.   

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1242 on: July 14, 2019, 01:21:23 PM »
Void,
I already answered your self-looped reasoning. You just pile the same nonsense over and over. That's the game here, ignore what is said and repeat. Fill the thread up like T with useless words.
If there wasn't anything to what I have said then you guys would not be so interested in trying to drown it out.
You're the one not responding to me at all, and then you say I'm not being straight forward.
The truth is some of you guys really think OU is nonsense and that is what you are ultimately saying here. That is your game.
Self-looping is not a problem. I have done that for 15 years now. But there is a better way where the system is in balance and does not need looping as it is self-running while the loads continue to run.
I do demonstrate this in the real world. You live behind your screen in fantasy land doing nothing useful here.

Yeah, you described yourself perfectly:
"Don't be fooled by bafflegab. Self-looping talks, bafflegab walks... All else is folly. ;)" That's all you do is self-looping talks, circle reasoning. Void of truth.

Hi Nick. Have you ever seen any reasonably done self-looped demonstration from Rick?
I suspect the answer is no. If you have not, then why waste your time with his... err... unfounded claims?  I suspect you'll be waiting a very long time if you are expecting any straight forward and reasonable answers from Rick. To be frank, everything he does and says screams pure nonsense. I get that some people just like playing around with circuits whether it is COP > 1 or not, but the truth is if someone really has something unusual they should be able to self-loop it and demonstrate it relatively easily, in most cases. In some cases, some special effort may be required to provide better impedance matching when trying to self loop, or if the COP is not much > 1, then some form of daisy chaining may be required as TK has mentioned. Really though self-looping shouldn't be too difficult to do in most cases.

When a person immediately goes into silly rationalizations and bafflegab and deflections when someone mentions about self-looping, then you can be 99.9999% sure they are just blowing smoke. Rick does this for a business, so that is probably a good part of the reason why he blows so much smoke. He probably assumes he can continue to fool his naive customers and keep the money rolling in just as long as he continues to pile on the bafflegab nonsense. Anyone with even a basic understanding of electronics should see pretty quick that he is talking a lot of nonsense.

Self-looping separates the wheat from the chaff, and there sure is mountains of chaff and lots of lame excuses out there. ;)

I have been really busy for the last while, but I thought I would stop by and see what's happening here lately. As I mentioned in the past I saw a few potentially interesting things in my testing when testing with the Kapanadze/Akula/Ruslan types of arrangements. If I get some time, maybe in the winter, I will try to dig a little deeper into it. From what I have seen, that approach seems to possibly be a little more potentially promising avenue of experimentation, where most other approaches don't seem to hold water. :D

All the best guys....
Don't be fooled by bafflegab. Self-looping talks, bafflegab walks... All else is folly. ;)

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1243 on: July 14, 2019, 01:34:28 PM »
I sense you are tiring Rick. Your posts are getting shorter.  ;) Has the penny dropped yet.  ;D

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« Reply #1244 on: July 14, 2019, 01:37:21 PM »
Bla bla bla, you can go back and actually read what has been said, you are not worth wasting any time on. If you want answers then read what has already been said. All you do is repeat your folly over and over again. You jump in here to grab attention and then want people to tell you what is going on. You want people to watch your videos because they are some kind of trick. You are not as important as you make yourself out to be. Sorry to burst your bubble.

So I guess I missed the part where YOU "shared" the other things that can be done with the gate driver, like modulating it with the Enable pin and using an E-field antenna or singleturn EM loop to autoresonate instead of fiddling with a function generator, before my post to Itsu. Please post a link!  Or is that within your definition of "not one important thing"?

By the way, I know that Itsu already knew those things! We've been doing this stuff for a lot longer than you seem to think. But maybe other builders might not have known.

And of course it's not important to demonstrate the importance of taking phase into account when measuring real and reactive power in the MicroQEG, nor to demonstrate zero current readings while LEDs shine brilliantly in the TinMan Bifilar device, and it is really unimportant to analyze the Partzman Bifilar Transformer to understand why it gives OU measurements. Nobody is interested in that silly unimportant stuff, while you are showing a room full of LEDs running off a battery and a function generator and claiming it is OU.

 

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