Author Topic: MH's ideal coil and voltage question (Read 487920 times)

minnie · « **Reply #810 on:** June 02, 2016, 11:19:58 AM »

Good Koala,
the high voltage link Wiki article is amazing.
The things they got up to a hundred years and more ago!
I hope the old tinman reads all this stuff, there should be
a fair bit of inspiration in that lot.
I reckon the tinman would have loved the synchronous
condensers, huge electric motors with no output shaft.
Some of those things ran for decades, it just shows how
good the initial design and construction was for a then
new technology.
John.

minnie · « **Reply #811 on:** June 02, 2016, 11:35:04 AM »

Having seen the trike can I enter Daisy into
"The most horrid Kludge competition"?
It's an old centre pivot steer dumper adapted
to knock in fence posts. It's a dinosaur!!
John.

tinman · « **Reply #812 on:** June 02, 2016, 12:12:33 PM »

author=minnie link=topic=16589.msg485575#msg485575 date=1464859198]

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I reckon the tinman would have loved the synchronous
condensers, huge electric motors with no output shaft.
Some of those things ran for decades, it just shows how
good the initial design and construction was for a then
new technology.

As i said,i have installed many of these on farms--units up to 60Kw.
Polyphase converters are used,as most rural power over here is still 440 single phase,and most electrical farm machinery is 3 phase.
But dont tell MH,as he seems to think they have no common place here on earth.

Brad

ramset · « **Reply #813 on:** June 02, 2016, 02:10:53 PM »

440 single phase....
thattle rattle yah for sure !!

@Minnion
I hope you live forever !!
Gotta say I Luv that One ,Its a shame to Chain her to the ground pounder tho.[some other quick change assy's would be nice too]
Been gathering Bits for a more versatile articulating build myself .

Nice group of fellows here... that have stood the test of Time and all the associate "episodes".

Thx for the comments on my silly trike build ,
The things that people thro out in this country [like the 49 Harley Davidson rolled up trike frame and old 59 Austin Healey rear and Suzuki s40 motorcycle ,and yes [my favorite part] the old sulky seat].

Oh well
back to the grind...
we can't all sit around in the spa chewin on magnums down under ......

MileHigh · « **Reply #814 on:** June 02, 2016, 06:11:43 PM »

Quote from: TinselKoala on June 02, 2016, 10:03:37 AM

I'm really amazed sometimes at some of the things I read in this thread.

Rotoverters etc. :
http://www.ronkelectrical.com/rotoverter-type-4c.php
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor%E2%80%93generator

That looks like a trademarked name for a rotary phase converter, "Rotoverter" by the company "Ronk."

I am referring to the magic free energy "rotorverter."

http://energyfanatics.com/2015/10/05/how-to-build-rotoverter-overunity-free-energy-generator/

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The RV is an alternative energy device which is currently being utilized by open source engineers around the world in energy saving applications, and to transform and understand ZPE when configured in looped (self running mode) mode…When run in RV mode, these Baldor motors are the most efficient 1 HP electric motors in the world.

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As engineer what is your choice for
a 1,000 drills 1,000 employee drill production
line.

Normal drill = 890,000 watt hours
RV drill =37,000 watt hours

It’s 24 times the money expense to run in
non RV mode and in full duty is still.
50% less power usage in worst case (all dr
ills making a hole at same time with.)

picowatt · « **Reply #815 on:** June 02, 2016, 08:30:57 PM »

Quote from: tinman on May 31, 2016, 07:17:53 AM

...as i am no longer bound by restrictions.

Brad

Tinman,

Any chance this means a return to RT measurements and self runner attempts?

PW

MileHigh · « **Reply #816 on:** June 02, 2016, 11:24:27 PM »

Quote from: tinman on May 31, 2016, 04:57:18 AM

No,MH wrongly accused myself and others that we do not know the definition of an ideal voltage source. He clearly stated that we say that the voltage cannot change with time-and that is crap. 300 posts ago,i posted my understanding of an ideal voltage ,and it is correct,and i will not have MH bullshitting about me being wrong-full stop.
The voltage can only change if determind to do so by the user-fact.
So for MH to say i am wrong,is just bullshit-plane and simple.

Brad, the fact that you will never admit that you are wrong is so annoying sometimes that I am going to fully call your bluff. You caused untold problems and wasted so much time over whether or not an ideal voltage source can vary in time among other things that I am going to repost post #95 here verbatim to call your bluff and expose your nonsense.

http://overunity.com/16589/mhs-ideal-coil-and-voltage-question/msg483584/#msg483584

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Here is the harder version of the question and the answer:

The question is what happens starting at t = 0

The answer:

The current through the ideal coil starts from zero at time t = 0 and then increases with this formula: i = 1.33*t^3.

Time..........Voltage.........Current
0...............0.................0
1...............20...............1.33
5...............500.............166.67
10.............2000............1333.33
20.............8000............10666.67
50.............50000..........166666.7

Brad, you need to try to get up the learning curve such that you get to the point where you come back and acknowledge the answer given above is correct.

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You have an ideal voltage source and an ideal coil of 5 Henrys. At time t=0 seconds the coil connects to the ideal voltage source. The voltage source waveform is 20*t^2. So as the time t increases, the voltage increases proportional to the square of the time.

If the voltage increases,then it is not an ideal voltage,as an ideal voltage dose not change in time.
Your original question clearly states an ideal voltage of 4 volts for 3 seconds.

The rest of your answer is not related to the original question,as the voltage is not 4 volts for 3 seconds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_source
An ideal voltage source is a two-terminal device that maintains a fixed voltage drop across its terminals. It is often used as a mathematical abstraction that simplifies the analysis of real electric circuits.

Brad
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The text highlighted in bold is you being dead wrong about an ideal voltage source varying in time and just one of countless examples of you causing problems on the thread.

I don't care if your head bloody well explodes. Why can't you just be a man and say that you were wrong? You need to adjust your behaviour going forward. You look like a clown to everybody when you refuse to ever admit that you are wrong.

MileHigh

tinman · « **Reply #817 on:** June 03, 2016, 01:12:47 AM »

Quote from: MileHigh on June 02, 2016, 11:24:27 PM

Brad, the fact that you will never admit that you are wrong is so annoying sometimes that I am going to fully call your bluff. You caused untold problems and wasted so much time over whether or not an ideal voltage source can vary in time among other things that I am going to repost post #95 here verbatim to call your bluff and expose your nonsense.

http://overunity.com/16589/mhs-ideal-coil-and-voltage-question/msg483584/#msg483584

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If the voltage increases,then it is not an ideal voltage,as an ideal voltage dose not change in time.
Your original question clearly states an ideal voltage of 4 volts for 3 seconds.

The rest of your answer is not related to the original question,as the voltage is not 4 volts for 3 seconds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_source
An ideal voltage source is a two-terminal device that maintains a fixed voltage drop across its terminals. It is often used as a mathematical abstraction that simplifies the analysis of real electric circuits.

Brad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The text highlighted in bold is you being dead wrong about an ideal voltage source varying in time and just one of countless examples of you causing problems on the thread.

I don't care if your head bloody well explodes. Why can't you just be a man and say that you were wrong? You need to adjust your behaviour going forward. You look like a clown to everybody when you refuse to ever admit that you are wrong.

MileHigh

My answer is correct MH,no matter how you try and twist things around.
You just do not listen,or you try so hard to re arrange peoples statements to try and make them look wrong. You failed in your last attempt when you posted my !quote's! referring to an ideal voltage source,as they clearly stated a selected value.
I will say it once again--an ideal voltages value dose not change over time,and that time is the value that the user selects. When the user changes that value,then a new time period has started for the newly selected value.

You are becoming pathetic MH,and you need a new hobby.

Brad

MileHigh · « **Reply #818 on:** June 03, 2016, 01:28:24 AM »

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR HEAD?

READ THIS: If the voltage increases,then it is not an ideal voltage,as an ideal voltage dose not change in time.

I am not pathetic, but you are beyond pathetic and you should get your head examined.

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No,MH wrongly accused myself and others that we do not know the definition of an ideal voltage source. He clearly stated that we say that the voltage cannot change with time-and that is crap.

No, it's not crap, it's absolutely true that you stated that an an ideal voltage source cannot change in time. You are a low-life liar but it is beyond ridiculous because the proof is right on the screen in front of your face, what the hell is wrong with you? I don't know how you manage to function sometimes. You are not to be trusted at all because you are a compulsive liar and a compulsive denier that you can ever be wrong - even when the evidence is right in front of your face and everybody else can see it too.

You are beyond unbelievable. It's sick seeing your behaviour.

tinman · « **Reply #819 on:** June 03, 2016, 01:32:39 AM »

Quote from: picowatt on June 02, 2016, 08:30:57 PM

Tinman,

Any chance this means a return to RT measurements and self runner attempts?

PW

My challenge has been put to MH,and if that challenge is answered,then yes,we can continue on where we left off.

MH has said all to often that my knowledge of inductors and PMs are very limited,and so now is the time to see who has the greater understanding of the two mixed together.
If MH accepts my challenge,then a new thread devoted to this challenge,the parameters of the challenge,and our progress throughout the build process,will be posted on that thread.

If MH thinks im bluffing,then i ask him to call my bluff,and let the process begin.
Once we have both finished,and are happy with our build's,we then both send our devices to Poynt(if he is ok with this) for confirmation of P/in-P/out measurements taken.

If Mh refuses my challenge,then he can also stop with the !!001!! basic crap toward me,as his words mean nothing when it comes to what actually can be achieved with inductors and PMs.

No one was ever able to answer one simple question i asked about a simple test carried out by many here(including TK),as to why the motor would speed up,gain torque,and reduce power consumption ,when a load was drawn from the stator coil from one half of the AC cycle.
Luc was the only one that came close to achieving this goal alone.

Brad

MileHigh · « **Reply #820 on:** June 03, 2016, 01:41:11 AM »

You already know what my answer is.

You end up in the same boat as Wattsup and EMJunkie and you are giving up, unable to understand basic electronics. Not to mention the other serious problems you have that are covered in my previous posting.

tinman · « **Reply #821 on:** June 03, 2016, 01:41:30 AM »

Quote from: MileHigh on June 03, 2016, 01:28:24 AM

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR HEAD?

READ THIS:

You are beyond unbelievable. It's sick seeing your behaviour.

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If the voltage increases,then it is not an ideal voltage,as an ideal voltage dose not change in time.

You need help MH--you really do.
An ideal voltage dose not change in time,and that time is the period at which the selected voltage remains unaltered. Once a new voltage value is selected,then a new time period starts. Its the very same when your driving down a street--you will continue to drive down the same street until you turn into another street. you will spend X amount of time driving down each street. When you turn off that street,then you do not keep timing how long it takes to drive down the previous street when your on a different one.

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I am not pathetic, but you are beyond pathetic and you should get your head examined.
No, it's not crap, it's absolutely true that you stated that an an ideal voltage source cannot change in time. You are a low-life liar but it is beyond ridiculous because the proof is right on the screen in front of your face, what the hell is wrong with you? I don't know how you manage to function sometimes. You are not to be trusted at all because you are a compulsive liar and a compulsive denier that you can ever be wrong - even when the evidence is right in front of your face and everybody else can see it too.

I think all those books have turned you into a looney MH-->seek medical advice.

Each one of your steps in your question has a set time period,and the voltage dose not change in time with respect to those determined time period's--do you not understand your own question?.

If your so brilliant,then take me up on my challenge,and stop with all the !!i dont build! crap.

Brad

tinman · « **Reply #822 on:** June 03, 2016, 01:44:08 AM »

Quote from: MileHigh on June 03, 2016, 01:41:11 AM

You already know what my answer is.

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You end up in the same boat as Wattsup and EMJunkie and you are giving up, unable to understand basic electronics. Not to mention the other serious problems you have that are covered in my previous posting.

A coward that cannot back up his false claims in the real world.
Your nothing more than a !!it all looks good on paper!! person.

Brad

MileHigh · « **Reply #823 on:** June 03, 2016, 01:48:03 AM »

Brad:

You are just showcasing all of your problems and as far as I am concerned there is no hope for you. Forget about real electronics, just go back to amusing yourself on your bench doing whatever it is that you do. We are all fully aware that you will lie through your teeth whenever you want, and you live in your own dream world where you are infallible.

MileHigh

MileHigh · « **Reply #824 on:** June 03, 2016, 01:50:59 AM »

Quote from: tinman on June 03, 2016, 01:44:08 AM

A coward that cannot back up his false claims in the real world.
Your nothing more than a !!it all looks good on paper!! person.

Bullshit, and you are nothing more than a bench tinkerer that barely knows what he is doing but believes that he knows it all. You have been fully exposed, and it was about time, and it's not a pretty sight at all.

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