Author Topic: MH's ideal coil and voltage question (Read 490412 times)

MileHigh · « **Reply #855 on:** June 04, 2016, 04:14:56 PM »

Brad:

<<< No--you place a voltage across a current flow,where that voltage is ideal,and wants to create a current flow in the opposite direction to that of what already exist. >>>

Enough said right there, and there are a thousand other quotes of yours that say the same thing.

MileHigh

tinman · « **Reply #856 on:** June 04, 2016, 04:33:29 PM »

author=MileHigh link=topic=16589.msg485659#msg485659 date=1464977542]

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The fact that you can't realize or intuitively or scientifically understand that the bell is resonating after you strike it is mind boggling to me. You are just making a fool of yourself without being aware of it.

The fact that you do not know the difference between an object resonating,and one that is ringing down,is very scary indeed.
When dose a coil resonate MH?,and when dose a coil ring down?-->what is the difference?
And to think that you want people to listen to you lol.
Try again to understand the difference between resonance,and oscillation at a natural resonant frequency. Resonance requires forced motion of an object at it's natural resonant frequency,to gain maximum amplitude. A bell ringing down,is not the bell in resonance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzHajoDf1fg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYlpePXdiCg

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If you could only think properly about certain situations and have some basic intuitive sense and had the ability to apply knowledge about one situation to a different but related situation, but apparently sometimes that is an impossible thing for you to do. You clearly believe that what you are saying is making sense and nothing is going to get through to you. However, not being able to get through to you is no surprise.

The reason i do not listen to you MH,is because you do not know what you are talking about.

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I suppose it's also possible that since you started this discussion about resonance and got off on the wrong track, that your inability to admit that you are wrong means that you are psychologically compelled to "stick to your story," even though it is completely ridiculous. So it's possible that you literally have a mental block, and admitting that the bell is resonating after you strike it is an impossible thing for you to do.

Like i said,you have no idea what resonance is. For the bell to resonate,it must be interacting with another object that is vibrating at the same natural resonant frequency as the bell,or in the case of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge,it will resonate at it's natural frequency due to aeroelastic flutter(BTW,you will notice that they name it aero!elastic! flutter,and not aero!stiffness! flutter

. The bell will only resonate when receiving energy from an out side force at the correct frequency-->it will not resonate all by it self--it will only ring down at it's natural resonant frequency when not interacting with an outside force.
Please watch second video above,and see if you can learn the difference.

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Your compulsion to refuse to admit that your original understanding was wrong literally forces you to state that the bell is not resonating after you strike it. For you to admit that the bell was resonating would cause some kind of psychological implosion in your psyche.

My compulsion is to not listen to those that do not know what they are talking about-->you are one of those that do not know what you are talking about.

tinman · « **Reply #857 on:** June 04, 2016, 04:39:27 PM »

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There is no such thing as "placing a voltage across a current flow."

And yet this is exactly what happens in your question--aint that a hoot

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Six year's worth of electronics experimentation and help from some very knowledgeable people and you still manage to state nonsense like that. That's the proverbial canary in the coal mine if there ever was one.

And blah blah blah.

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For two seconds you apply no torque and the flywheel free spins with no change in RPM.

Then for two seconds you apply counter-clockwise torque. As you can imagine, the flywheel starts to slow down. If you apply counter-clockwise torque for an extended period of time, the the flywheel will stop and then reverse direction.

Now who is the person that is limited in their thinking?

Well,it seems you are.
Now make that torque ideal--like your voltage
Hows your thinking doing now?.

Brad

MileHigh · « **Reply #858 on:** June 04, 2016, 04:48:45 PM »

<<< Now make that torque ideal--like your voltage >>>

Go ahead Brad, what happens when you make the torque ideal?

tinman · « **Reply #859 on:** June 04, 2016, 04:52:19 PM »

Quote from: MileHigh on June 04, 2016, 04:14:56 PM

Brad:

<<< No--you place a voltage across a current flow,where that voltage is ideal,and wants to create a current flow in the opposite direction to that of what already exist. >>>

Enough said right there, and there are a thousand other quotes of yours that say the same thing.

MileHigh

Your question clearly shows,and we have all agreed on this--that between T=3 second's,and T=5 second's,a current is flowing through the ideal voltage source. At T=5 seconds,a negative voltage is place across that existing current that is flowing through the voltage source. This negative !!IDEAL!! voltage wishes to create a current flow that is opposite to that which already exist. So tell us again how you cannot place a voltage across a current flow?

Is your question starting to come undone?.

Brad

MileHigh · « **Reply #860 on:** June 04, 2016, 04:56:24 PM »

<<< At T=5 seconds,a negative voltage is place across that existing current that is flowing through the voltage source. >>>

Enough said again Brad. It's like a bottomless cup of coffee.

MileHigh · « **Reply #861 on:** June 04, 2016, 04:58:30 PM »

<<< So tell us again how you cannot place a voltage across a current flow? >>>

Again. Six years of work and schooling and all that I got was a lousy t-shirt.

tinman · « **Reply #862 on:** June 04, 2016, 04:59:38 PM »

Quote from: MileHigh on June 04, 2016, 04:48:45 PM

<<< Now make that torque ideal--like your voltage >>>

Go ahead Brad, what happens when you make the torque ideal?

An ideal torque that is applied to the flywheel,where the torque is a counter force against the stored energy in the flywheel,would stop the flywheel instantly,regardless of the mass of that flywheel, or stored energy in that flywheel.

Brad

MileHigh · « **Reply #863 on:** June 04, 2016, 05:02:24 PM »

Quote from: tinman on June 04, 2016, 04:59:38 PM

An ideal torque that is applied to the flywheel,where the torque is a counter force against the stored energy in the flywheel,would stop the flywheel instantly,regardless of the mass of that flywheel, or stored energy in that flywheel.

Brad

Enough said again. And to think that this is coming from a guy that has been working with engines all his life.

tinman · « **Reply #864 on:** June 04, 2016, 05:02:58 PM »

Quote from: MileHigh on June 04, 2016, 04:56:24 PM

<<< At T=5 seconds,a negative voltage is place across that existing current that is flowing through the voltage source. >>>

Enough said again Brad. It's like a bottomless cup of coffee.

I see that you actually do not understand your own circuit,and how it is operating.
Let me guess--the current just disappears

-->like your stored energy in the inductor dose

A bottomless cup of coffee would be great in the mornings MH--what is your point?.

MileHigh · « **Reply #865 on:** June 04, 2016, 05:06:00 PM »

Here, I found something for you to contemplate:

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/resonance

Definition of "resonance:"

Physics.

a. the state of a system in which an abnormally large vibration is produced in response to an external stimulus, occurring when the frequency of the stimulus is the same, or nearly the same, as the natural vibration frequency of the system.

b. the vibration produced in such a state.

tinman · « **Reply #866 on:** June 04, 2016, 05:10:42 PM »

Quote from: MileHigh on June 04, 2016, 05:02:24 PM

Enough said again. And to think that this is coming from a guy that has been working with engines all his life.

That is the engineering definition of an ideal torque--which cannot,and dose not exist in the real world--much like your ideal voltage.

I think we are about to watch you get it all screwed up again,and try and apply real world !ideal torque!.
Lets see how you go--lets watch the ICE saga all over again

Now,here is a challenge that you can do MH--without dragging your lazy ass out of your rocking chair.
I would like you to draw up a schematic for the ideal voltage source for the circuit that suits your question,where the current can continue to flow unimpeded through this ideal source during T=3 second's,to T=5 seconds. You said such an ideal voltage source exist,so lets see it--show us the schematic for such a voltage source.

Lets see how good you are MH.
I mean,it's your question,and you should be able to provide a circuit schematic to suit the question--is this not what is asked of us all here?.

Brad

MileHigh · « **Reply #867 on:** June 04, 2016, 05:24:06 PM »

<<< That is the engineering definition of an ideal torque >>>

What is the engineering definition of an ideal torque?

MileHigh · « **Reply #868 on:** June 04, 2016, 05:28:27 PM »

<<< I would like you to draw up a schematic for the ideal voltage source for the circuit that suits your question,where the current can continue to flow unimpeded through this ideal source during T=3 second's,to T=5 seconds. >>>

I will put that one into the "crazy question" category. See attached.

tinman · « **Reply #869 on:** June 04, 2016, 05:42:08 PM »

Quote from: MileHigh on June 04, 2016, 05:24:06 PM

<<< That is the engineering definition of an ideal torque >>>

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What is the engineering definition of an ideal torque?

How you off for underwear MH?.

An ideal torque is an ideal twisting force,or the application of an ideal energy source-the very same as your ideal voltage source MH.
Your flywheel dose not represent the current flow BTW,it represents the stored energy of the inductor.

How fast is the flywheel spinning by the way?--5252rpm Perhaps?.

How is that schematic coming along for your ideal voltage source?.

Brad

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