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MileHigh · « **Reply #825 on:** June 03, 2016, 02:17:11 AM »

Yes, Brad, I can get angry when somebody is so blatantly dishonest as you. That's why I am here, to go after dishonest people like Naima Faegin who said they were "just minutes away" from having a working QEG probably about two years ago now. The fact that you are not trying to scam money from people does not take away from the fact that you are blatantly dishonest. It is extremely distasteful to me. I can't fathom how you can actually conduct yourself like that.

<<< At T=5 seconds,MHs device explodes. >>>

Famous last words.

I have a challenge for you: Go onto a real science or physics forum and start a thread with this title, "After you strike a bell and hear it ringing it is not actually resonating."

Go ahead and join a forum and then link to the thread and we can all watch how well you do defending your proposition. I challenge you to do it.

This thread was an attempt to get you started on learning about real electronics and it failed. And in the process we learned a lot of nasty things about you. It is very dispiriting.

Good luck in doing whatever it is you do on your bench.

MileHigh

tinman · « **Reply #826 on:** June 03, 2016, 09:40:03 AM »

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Bullshit, and you are nothing more than a bench tinkerer that barely knows what he is doing but believes that he knows it all.

Then take me on in my challenge to you,and back up your claim that i !!barely!! know what im doing.
You have made the claim,now back it up with evidence that puts truth to your claim.

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You have been fully exposed, and it was about time, and it's not a pretty sight at all.

The only thing i have been exposed to MH,is your continuing unfounded claims,and your refusal to back up !your! claims with proof by way of a real world device--something you never do,because you cannot.

Brad

tinman · « **Reply #827 on:** June 03, 2016, 10:33:29 AM »

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Yes, Brad, I can get angry when somebody is so blatantly dishonest as you.

The only one being dishonest here,is you MH--and thats a fact.

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That's why I am here, to go after dishonest people like Naima Faegin who said they were "just minutes away" from having a working QEG probably about two years ago now. The fact that you are not trying to scam money from people does not take away from the fact that you are blatantly dishonest. It is extremely distasteful to me. I can't fathom how you can actually conduct yourself like that.

More lies--and bad ones.
I have never made any such claim's as the likes of the QEG mob,nor Naima Faegin.
You trying to associate me with those people just go's to show what kind of a low life you really are.

What is extremely distasteful,is your lies--one after the other,and your unfounded claims against me.
I really dont care how mad you get,as you bring it on your self.
You continue to make false claims against me,but you avoid taking me on in any real world application of your book science. How did your book science go when the engineers built the Tacoma Narrows Bridge?--didnt work out to well for them-did it. Do you know why it didnt work out so well MH,regardless of the fact that it was designed and built by the worlds best engineers?-->because they did not take into account unforeseen circumstances where forces acting in perfect harmony could give rise to enough energy to bring the bridge down. Such forces exist in the electromagnetic world as well MH,whether your books like it or not. It is just a matter of finding the right balance at the right time-something you will never understand.

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This thread was an attempt to get you started on learning about real electronics and it failed. And in the process we learned a lot of nasty things about you. It is very dispiriting.

What this thread shows,is how low you will stoop to try and make yourself look good.
There is nothing nasty about me MH,and the only reason you say that,is because you dont have the guts to take me on in the real world--thats a fact you have proven yourself here on this thread.
You are all words,and your words mean nothing at all. The fact that you think there is nothing in the rotoverter,just shows how far behind you are.

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I have a challenge for you: Go onto a real science or physics forum and start a thread with this title, "After you strike a bell and hear it ringing it is not actually resonating

That shows how little you know.
You hit the bell,and the bell will ring--and it will ring down,and there for,it is not resonating at all. It is ringing down at it's natural frequency-slowly dropping in amplitude. When an object is resonating,it is oscillating at maximum amplitude at it's natural frequency. The fact that you dont know this,was your undoing in the JT thread.

If your scientific forum says any other than this,then you need to join another scientific forum.
The pure scientific meaning of resonance,is one object vibrating with maximum amplitude at it's natural frequency,and where an outside force is the provider of that energy required that is acting upon the resonant object--such as the Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapse. In this case,the bridge was bough down due to aeroelastic flutter.

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Good luck in doing whatever it is you do on your bench.

I achieve much on my bench--what do you achieve?.

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At T=5 seconds,MHs device explodes.

Yes,because you are to busy looking at your 5H inductor,and forget about what is happening within the ideal voltage source. A current flows through the ideal voltage source,as well as the ideal coil. The ideal coil has inductance,but the ideal voltage source dose not. The ideal coil has impedance,but the ideal voltage source dose not. At T=5 seconds,you place a voltage across !not only the coil!,but also the ideal voltage source that has current already flowing through it. This voltage polarity is opposite to that which created the current flow that is flowing through the ideal voltage source. But for you MH,the transition is just going to nice and smooth--isnt it?. How dose your !water through pipes! cope with this one MH?
Let me guess--the water just disappears,so as the flow can now start in the opposite direction

You only have the mind set to see what you want to see MH,and that only means you will never see reality.
You might be happy to live with that,but i am not.

I will be putting a simple rotoverter together this weekend,and i will be asking you a question.
Lets see how you go with that--lets see if you know more than me,when it comes to actual devices that involve inductors and magnetic fields.

You also need to back up your claim's,and take me up on my challenge--to prove to everyone that you do actually know more about inductors than i do,and how they react with magnetic fields.
Until such time,your words and accusations toward me, are nothing but rubbish and lies.

Brad

Your so happy making claims on everyone's abilities,but you have none of your own,nor can you/do you ever back up any of those claims by way of real world devices.
As i said--everything looks fine on paper to you-->as they did with the engineers that designed the Tacoma Narrows Bridge

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Carry on with your idiotic claims against me MH,but remember this-->you are the one that is afraid to take me on in a real word challenge,and that there is a fact.

Brad

MileHigh · « **Reply #828 on:** June 03, 2016, 10:43:22 AM »

I am going to give the answers to you that you couldn't figure out for yourself. I was hoping and praying that you would apply yourself and push yourself and actually get up the learning curve by yourself, perhaps with just a little bit of help if you showed a desire and were really trying. I am sure many others were hoping that you would do that too. But no, it was a just morass of stupid fighting and stupid battles about what amounted to a whole bunch of stupid time-wasting junk. You gave up and looked for your blanket in the form of wanting to play again and modify a motor. Then throw in the fact that you act like some bloody four-year-old child that lies when asked if he ate the last piece of chocolate, without realizing that he has melted chocolate at the corners of his mouth.

The answer is that the ideal coil integrates on voltage with respect to time to yield a current flow. This has already been stated many times, but not in plain English like I am telling you now. It's just like a shopping cart integrates on the force you push on it to yield a velocity. Beyond that you wouldn't even touch the three variations on the question and if you did, you would have come to realize that a capacitor integrates on current flow with respect to time to yield a voltage. Essentially the same as an inductor, you just have to swap voltage for current.

These are the most basic fundamental concepts that anybody that plays with electronics must understand, and all that you want to do is give up and play with another motor on your bench.

And in this day and age they make it so damn easy for you, there are actually integral calculators right on web sites. So even if you don't know how to do an integral, there are web sites that will do it for you. All that you need to have is an understanding of what integration means.

Partzman's question: You have an ideal inductor of 5 Henrys. If the ideal voltage source is a linear ramp that starts a zero seconds and ends after two seconds with a voltage of two volts, then what is the current?

That means that the equation for the current is i = t. That's it, it's as simple as that.

The integration web sites use 'x' as the variable. Therefore we can say that the equation for the current is i = x.

That means you just put 'x' into the integration calculator and press the button and get the answer.

Here: http://integrals.wolfram.com/index.jsp

Once that is done the question is 99% answered for you. Do you have what it takes to give the actual final answer for Partzman's question?

MileHigh · « **Reply #829 on:** June 03, 2016, 10:50:25 AM »

Now let's look at the already answered question:

Question: You have an ideal voltage source and an ideal coil of 5 Henrys. At time t=0 seconds the coil connects to the ideal voltage source. The voltage source waveform is 20*t^2. So as the time t increases, the voltage increases proportional to the square of the time.

Answer: The current through the ideal coil starts from zero at time t = 0 and then increases with this formula: i = 1.33*t^3.

So all that you have to do is put 20x^2 into the integral calculator.

Go ahead: http://integrals.wolfram.com/index.jsp

Now the question will be 99% answered for you. Do you have what it takes to arrive at the final answer that has already been given to you?

tinman · « **Reply #830 on:** June 03, 2016, 10:57:58 AM »

Quote from: MileHigh on June 03, 2016, 10:43:22 AM

I am going to give the answers to you that you couldn't figure out for yourself. I was hoping and praying that you would apply yourself and push yourself and actually get up the learning curve by yourself, perhaps with just a little bit of help if you showed a desire and were really trying. I am sure many others were hoping that you would do that too. But no, it was a just morass of stupid fighting and stupid battles about what amounted to a whole bunch of stupid time-wasting junk. You gave up and looked for your blanket in the form of wanting to play again and modify a motor. Then throw in the fact that you act like some bloody four-year-old child that lies when asked if he ate the last piece of chocolate, without realizing that he has melted chocolate at the corners of his mouth.

The answer is that the ideal coil integrates on voltage with respect to time to yield a current flow. This has already been stated many times, but not in plain English like I am telling you now. It's just like a shopping cart integrates on the force you push on it to yield a velocity. Beyond that you wouldn't even touch the three variations on the question and if you did, you would have come to realize that a capacitor integrates on current flow with respect to time to yield a voltage. Essentially the same as an inductor, you just have to swap voltage for current.

These are the most basic fundamental concepts that anybody that plays with electronics must understand, and all that you want to do is give up and play with another motor on your bench.

And in this day and age they make it so damn easy for you, there are actually integral calculators right on web sites. Se even if you don't know how to do an integrate, there are web sites that will do it for you. All that you need to have is an understanding of what integration means.

Partzman's question: You have an ideal inductor of 5 Henrys. If the ideal voltage source is a linear ramp that starts a zero seconds and ends after two seconds with a voltage of two volts, then what is the current?

That means that the equation for the current is i = t. That's it, it's as simple as that.

The integration web sites use 'x' as the variable. Therefore we can say that the equation for the current is i = x.

That means you just put 'x' into the integration calculator and press the button and get the answer.

Here: http://integrals.wolfram.com/index.jsp

Once that is done the question is 99% answered for you. Do you have what it takes to give the actual final answer for Partzman's question?

Has anyone else taken up the challenge to answer the question?-was verpies correct?.
Where is this ideal coil and ideal voltage source?

Are you going to take up my challenge,and see how real world devices actually can be made to work?
Or are you going to continue with your unfounded claims and rants against me?
If so,your words have no meaning ,and carry no weight at all--actions speak louder than words MH.

It's all well and good to claim you know more than me about how inductors and magnetic fields react with one another on paper,but why not show that it is also true in the real world?
Lets see who is limited to there understandings on the subject matter.

My challenge stands MH.
Grow a pair,and take me up on my challenge.
Poynt will be doing the final measurement's,so what do you have to be afraid of?.

Brad

MileHigh · « **Reply #831 on:** June 03, 2016, 10:59:36 AM »

Brad, you are so impossibly thick-headed and dense sometimes that it amazes me.

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That shows how little you know.
You hit the bell,and the bell will ring--and it will ring down,and there for,it is not resonating at all. It is ringing down at it's natural frequency-slowly dropping in amplitude. When an object is resonating,it is oscillating at maximum amplitude at it's natural frequency. The fact that you dont know this,was your undoing in the JT thread.

The "natural frequency" and the "resonant frequency" are synonymous, they mean the same bloody thing.

MileHigh · « **Reply #832 on:** June 03, 2016, 11:03:16 AM »

Quote from: tinman on June 03, 2016, 10:33:29 AM

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The only one being dishonest here,is you MH--and thats a fact.

More lies--and bad ones.
I have never made any such claim's as the likes of the QEG mob,nor Naima Faegin.
You trying to associate me with those people just go's to show what kind of a low life you really are.

What is extremely distasteful,is your lies--one after the other,and your unfounded claims against me.
I really dont care how mad you get,as you bring it on your self.
You continue to make false claims against me,but you avoid taking me on in any real world application of your book science. How did your book science go when the engineers built the Tacoma Narrows Bridge?--didnt work out to well for them-did it. Do you know why it didnt work out so well MH,regardless of the fact that it was designed and built by the worlds best engineers?-->because they did not take into account unforeseen circumstances where forces acting in perfect harmony could give rise to enough energy to bring the bridge down. Such forces exist in the electromagnetic world as well MH,whether your books like it or not. It is just a matter of finding the right balance at the right time-something you will never understand.

What this thread shows,is how low you will stoop to try and make yourself look good.
There is nothing nasty about me MH,and the only reason you say that,is because you dont have the guts to take me on in the real world--thats a fact you have proven yourself here on this thread.
You are all words,and your words mean nothing at all. The fact that you think there is nothing in the rotoverter,just shows how far behind you are.

That shows how little you know.
You hit the bell,and the bell will ring--and it will ring down,and there for,it is not resonating at all. It is ringing down at it's natural frequency-slowly dropping in amplitude. When an object is resonating,it is oscillating at maximum amplitude at it's natural frequency. The fact that you dont know this,was your undoing in the JT thread.

If your scientific forum says any other than this,then you need to join another scientific forum.
The pure scientific meaning of resonance,is one object vibrating with maximum amplitude at it's natural frequency,and where an outside force is the provider of that energy required that is acting upon the resonant object--such as the Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapse. In this case,the bridge was bough down due to aeroelastic flutter.

I achieve much on my bench--what do you achieve?.

Yes,because you are to busy looking at your 5H inductor,and forget about what is happening within the ideal voltage source. A current flows through the ideal voltage source,as well as the ideal coil. The ideal coil has inductance,but the ideal voltage source dose not. The ideal coil has impedance,but the ideal voltage source dose not. At T=5 seconds,you place a voltage across !not only the coil!,but also the ideal voltage source that has current already flowing through it. This voltage polarity is opposite to that which created the current flow that is flowing through the ideal voltage source. But for you MH,the transition is just going to nice and smooth--isnt it?. How dose your !water through pipes! cope with this one MH?
Let me guess--the water just disappears,so as the flow can now start in the opposite direction

You only have the mind set to see what you want to see MH,and that only means you will never see reality.
You might be happy to live with that,but i am not.

I will be putting a simple rotoverter together this weekend,and i will be asking you a question.
Lets see how you go with that--lets see if you know more than me,when it comes to actual devices that involve inductors and magnetic fields.

You also need to back up your claim's,and take me up on my challenge--to prove to everyone that you do actually know more about inductors than i do,and how they react with magnetic fields.
Until such time,your words and accusations toward me, are nothing but rubbish and lies.

Brad

Your so happy making claims on everyone's abilities,but you have none of your own,nor can you/do you ever back up any of those claims by way of real world devices.
As i said--everything looks fine on paper to you-->as they did with the engineers that designed the Tacoma Narrows Bridge .

Carry on with your idiotic claims against me MH,but remember this-->you are the one that is afraid to take me on in a real word challenge,and that there is a fact.

Brad

Most of what you say is a bunch of crap and like I said, it's bloody hopeless with you for many things. You have lied so many times about so many things, that it's more like you have been dipped in chocolate.

tinman · « **Reply #833 on:** June 03, 2016, 11:18:43 AM »

Quote from: MileHigh on June 03, 2016, 11:03:16 AM

Most of what you say is a bunch of crap and like I said, it's bloody hopeless with you for many things. You have lied so many times about so many things, that it's more like you have been dipped in chocolate.

More lies.
Everything in that post is correct,from what resonance really is,to how and why the Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapsed.

This just shows you have an !automatic! crap button set for me,even though everything i say is correct in that post.

The biggest pile of crap is from you MH. Every claim you make against me,you cannot back up.
You know dam well that i will fry your ass in any actual device built around each of our understandings. The fact that you will not take me up on my challenge ,speaks volumes about your actual skills. So many claims at how much you know,and how skilled you are mechanically -along with your lathe skill's,but you dare not take me on--not even to build a simple JT.
And why will you not take me on?--because you know darn well that if i build the more efficient device,then everyone here will know your skill set is very low.

I mean-come on MH-->a JT for crying out loud--how hard can it be?
You claimed that your JT circuit was the most efficient of them all,and mine was nothing but a power hungry fail,so back up that claim

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Your just claim after claim--everything you know is the best of the best,and i know very little. Buy you refuse to take me on in any kind of actual device build.
No JT,no pulse motor,no rotary converter--nothing.

Your hollow words mean nothing to me MH,and i(along with others) have seen your true colors.
Your not here to help,your just here to see how much shit you can cause,and how much you can deter people from seeking the truth.
Your a bad influence--plain and simple.

Brad

MileHigh · « **Reply #834 on:** June 03, 2016, 11:26:12 AM »

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Yes,because you are to busy looking at your 5H inductor,and forget about what is happening within the ideal voltage source. A current flows through the ideal voltage source,as well as the ideal coil. The ideal coil has inductance,but the ideal voltage source dose not. The ideal coil has impedance,but the ideal voltage source dose not. At T=5 seconds,you place a voltage across !not only the coil!,but also the ideal voltage source that has current already flowing through it. This voltage polarity is opposite to that which created the current flow that is flowing through the ideal voltage source. But for you MH,the transition is just going to nice and smooth--isnt it?. How dose your !water through pipes! cope with this one MH?
Let me guess--the water just disappears,so as the flow can now start in the opposite direction

It's no surprise, you are completely and utterly lost. After all that work.

"You place a voltage source across a voltage source?" You have got to be kidding.

No, the water simply starts to slow down, it does not "disappear." It's bloody rocket science.

MileHigh · « **Reply #835 on:** June 03, 2016, 11:29:12 AM »

No, I was here to try to help you and talk some sense into you, and that has proved to be nearly impossible.

ramset · « **Reply #836 on:** June 03, 2016, 01:11:55 PM »

Miles
I Imagine a skilled person such as yourself should be able to "requisition" a build , along with
expected results ?

if you won't build it, write a PDF doc for what you want built ,

say... for something as simple as a Joule thief
with expected result/claims

You say Tinman is a Fumbling Bench Putz ??

Prove it.

set a benchmark to the Best Of "Your" ability ...

or at least explore the feasibility of this Path [a build] to a resolution ?

you've been _called out_ By the Tinman... may times here !!

You have probably spent a thousand hours here in this thread...

spend 10 minutes and write the requisition .
we'll see if Tinsel Can/will build it to your specs and How many cheeseburgers it will cost ?

wattsup · « **Reply #837 on:** June 03, 2016, 02:38:39 PM »

@MH

I don't know why you keep putting my @username up on your casualty list. I suggest you refrain from doing that again.

I told you but you do not read or listen to actual words written. I though your question required an explanation of all those voltage levels occurring on their own after the first 4 volts was applied. Why else would I have said "ideal voltage does not change". Sorry that was my mistake but your question was not properly formulated to start with. Ask an ambiguous question only leads to exactly what happened. Instead of you clarifying the question and specifically saying each subsequent voltage is applied manually. So now you have learned something as well. We are now even. Please refrain from using my @username as you have. It is just not cool.

I will leave you to spat with @tinman as this is no longer my concern. Just a total waste of time. Time which you guys seems to consider being an overflow event where in reality the damn fuse is very short. So just keep wasting time and good luck.

When I first came to this forum, it was like intellectual nirvana where there were so many good minds trying to expand the base of present acceptance and explore the possibilities of OU devices. It was a great time and guys were not afraid to open their minds and sound off each other with often crazy ideas but that's where the magic was. Now it is gone. I just want to congratulate you on a job well done. This forum is now toast and guys like you are the toasters. hahaha. Now all the standard EEers can migrate here and take lessons on how to quash an OU forum.

No problem. I already had my own forum on stand-by, left dormant since 5 years now while I finalized Spin Conveyance because it actually took 10 years in all because it first relates to physics as well as chemistry and not just EE. I will just dust off that forum and keep there from now on.

Your last stint with @tinman was the last confirmation that there is no hope for EEers and OUers to co-exist and mutually expand the same damn goal when each ones goal is totally adversarial. The OUers are required to not only float above the mundane foray but to also drag along the EE as an official witness. Better EE learn on its own when the OU deed is done. Then you will be the first to want to learn a new electrical construct. We will see. No more distractions.

I took a week or so to ponder this question. Had prepared a few posts but never posted them again since this place is just not the right place. Too much noise for @members to actually contemplate and inspire each other. This is my last post on this forum as well as on OUR since both are not exactly OU oriented except for name only. I will be migrating most of my more important posts from these forums to my forum. Then continue there with only a few @members, so much less crap to deal with everyday with @members posting 20 posts a day saying nothing. It's time........

So you win. One can now confirm there are no more real OUers left at OU as well as OUR. The stage is yours. Each have now become an archive of the past but where the present can no longer be the stimulus it was. Both forums still attract a majority of @members as logged out @readers that remain and hope to read anything that will inspire progress but who will never post here again because they know the wrath is always ready to pounce and distract and/or destroy conversations worth any effort.

wattsup

PS1: EE 101 starts in 5 minutes. Don't be late or the teacher will put you in the corner.

PS2: For those in the know. Soon. For others, once my forum is dusted off and ready to go, you will learn of it.

MileHigh · « **Reply #838 on:** June 03, 2016, 03:33:53 PM »

Thanks for another big speech Wattsup. At least it is not nasty like the last goodbye. I will just repeat a few simple things to you. This thread is about basic electronics and not about OU and it was started by Brad of his own volition. There are many threads that are primarily about basic electronics and not OU, or secondarily about basic electronics. Hence many people on forums like this are interested in basic electronics. Unfortunately Brad could not grasp some basic electronics concepts so the answers were given. Note that this thread took a different tactic - figure out some basic stuff for yourself so that you will truly understand and retain the knowledge. You will find that I haven't touched any of the other free thinking threads on this forum at all. The forum has not been "overtaken" it's all in your head.

Oh yeah, and there was nothing wrong with the bloody question.

MileHigh · « **Reply #839 on:** June 03, 2016, 03:44:18 PM »

Chet, you are just being a pain in the butt at this time with your self-imprisoned mind. Your poor buddy is shown that he made a clear and unambiguous statement that an ideal voltage source cannot vary in time and he flat-out denies it and states that he did not do that. You say nothing. It's just just another form of Orwellian mental totalitarianism, the two of you are peas in an iron pod. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

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